Well Crap!

[Fox McCloud]

Issue 1, 2, 3, and 5 all passed. 6, failed

Meaning;

-it'll take more effort to get ballot initiatives passed (good thing IMHO), while saving a few tax dollars here and there.
-Ohio will now have VERY VERY weak water rights added to the Constitution.
-No casino

but...it also means... :(

-Ohio is going to issued $400,000,000 in bonds for "conservation", meaning more taxes and more debt.
-Ohio capped the payday loaning business to $500 loans, 28% interest, and a minimum term of 30-days.

IMHO, the 2 biggest issues are the ones that didn't go well (the payday one and the $400,000,000 one).

*sigh* sucks to be an Ohioan sometimes....we're SUCH the big-government crowd.

[Mini-Me]

The news is even worse for me. I was opposed to issue 1 as well, because this will make it harder to get referendums on statist legislation...plus, many ballot initiatives seem to come from the legislature anyway, rather than the people (after all, it was already harder than it most states for citizens to get them on the ballot). Even ballot initiatives are not all bad...remember that in Massachusetts, the people tried a ballot initiative abolishing the state income tax! Anyway, I was also opposed to issue 3, because I felt that the Orwellian doublespeak in it was a bit of a trap, since it explicitly wrote into our Constitution the dangerous notion that the "public welfare" has supremacy over property rights.

Although I'd substitute issue 3 for 5 as the more fundamentally dangerous issue between the two of them (because of the precedent it sets in Ohio's highest law), I totally agree with you that it's very bad news that number 2 passed. :( Borrow and spend at the state level, here we come! Wheeee...

That said, I too am worried about the consequences of issue 5 passing, even aside from opposing it strongly on principle. On one hand, I don't particularly like the "check into cash" businesses, and their emergence seems to signal the decline of a neighborhood (and I live down the street from a road with three of them on the same short strip, no joke!). On the other hand, if they all go out of business...what the heck is going to replace them? More shady dollar stores? More R-U-My-Kid paternity testing clinics? I can't tell if a pawn shop would be a step up or down...or worse, will the windows and doors get boarded up? :eek: Plus, the fact that poor people won't be able to get payday loans in emergency situations can't be a good thing.

[FrankRep]

Issue 1, 2, 3, and 5 all passed. 6, failed

Meaning;

-it'll take more effort to get ballot initiatives passed (good thing IMHO), while saving a few tax dollars here and there.
-Ohio will now have VERY VERY weak water rights added to the Constitution.
-No casino

but...it also means... :(

-Ohio is going to issued $400,000,000 in bonds for "conservation", meaning more taxes and more debt.
-Ohio capped the payday loaning business to $500 loans, 28% interest, and a minimum term of 30-days.

IMHO, the 2 biggest issues are the ones that didn't go well (the payday one and the $400,000,000 one).

*sigh* sucks to be an Ohioan sometimes....we're SUCH the big-government crowd.

I'm in shock at the results. I voted NO on the issues and they they passed. :(

[revolutionist]

Ha! I can wave at your big government from across the river in Kentucky, then I can cross the bridge and walk around your state and mock you.

[JosephTheLibertarian]

I'm in shock at the results. I voted NO on the issues and they they passed. :(

How do you like democracy now? ;)

[newyearsrevolution08]

Ha! I can wave at your big government from across the river in Kentucky, then I can cross the bridge and walk around your state and mock you.

hell yeah, bring everyone together lol

[bojo68]

I know your pain. I'm in Oregon, and about the ONLY thing they did right here is toss out the republican that voted for the bailout. Virtually everything else they went backwards on.

[heavenlyboy34]

Sounds like you Ohioans are having the same problem we are here in AZ. Every election year, out of state interests write these stupid ballot props and people sheepishly vote for them. :rolleyes: That's how we got that stupid monorail thingy in Tempe and the dumb Cardinals stadium. :(

[heavenlyboy34]

How do you like democracy now? ;)

Democracy is a dish best served in a manner that chills the gov'ment and emancipates the citizenry. (such as how we voted down the stupid "protect marriage act" here) ;)

[heavenlyboy34]

I know your pain. I'm in Oregon, and about the ONLY thing they did right here is toss out the republican that voted for the bailout. Virtually everything else they went backwards on.

Lucky! We're still stuck with our bailout fiends here in AZ. :mad:

[berrybunches]

wow, that is exactly the opposite of how I voted