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klamath
11-05-2008, 04:59 PM
There are basically 4 branches of the republican party.
Neocons; military hawks and American empire building. Don't care much about anything else except power and any means to get it.
Christian Right; Generally fiscally conservative, Knee jerk patriots (don't ever criticize America, right or wrong.), Anti abortion, Anti gay rights, fear of Muslims, biblical love for Israel, generally for small government except for Abortion, gay rights and Porn.

Country club Republicans; Somewhat fiscally conservative more socially liberal. Most likely to promote corporate welfare and government help for business.

Libertarian Republicans. Look up RP's issues.

Democratic Party branches.

Libertarian Democrat. Fiscally conservative, socially liberal. May live a Christian moral lifestyle but can't stand the in your face hypocrisy and dogma of the Christian Right.
Blue Collar Democrats; Strong union, direct opposition historically to the Country Club republicans, can have some strong Redneck tendencies. Agrees with government aid programs for the working man but looks down on direct welfare.

Elitist Democrats. Looks to government to fix all human problems and believes themselves to be highly educated and enlightened and have a very elitist mentality of knowing what is best for everyone. Includes European style socialists that looks to Europe for answers to American problems. Very strong environmentalists

Whether a coalition can be built from these branches is hard to tell because all the issues don't hold the same weight. For example a libertarian Republican might be able to build strong ties to the less radical Christian Right but hang up on unilateral biblical support for Israel, as I think we saw with Huckabee and RP supporters.

My hope is we can build a coalition between the libertarian Democrats, Christian Rightists, Libertarian Republicans, Blue Collar Democrats.
If the Libertarian Democrats and the Libertarian Republicans can cancel out the Biblical Israel support, and social policy legislation from Washington of the Christian Right and the elimination of the Country club Republicans could bring in the Blue collar Democrats with the libertarian R's and D's tempering the redneck tendancies. The Blue Collar Democrats might be enticed into giving up government aid programs when they see the corporate aid Country Club Republicans are gone.
Just some thoughts to ponder.

tonesforjonesbones
11-05-2008, 05:08 PM
Well i can tell you this right off the bat...it did NOT work to reach out to more liberal minded people..that was the idea for putting up mccain...it FAILED. The GOP needs to return to our conservative roots...if the gop promotes gay marriage , abortion etc...it will definately be sunk. California, Florida, Arizona ...all voted for One man One woman...in LARGE numbers..dems and republicans. tones

anaconda
11-05-2008, 05:26 PM
The Ron Paul agenda is where the Republican party should rebirth. Initially, some will be disaffected, but after time will come back in force plus they will pick up lots of future disaffected Dems.

The new republican party should stand for peace, self-reliance, small government, sound money, civil liberties. I think it would help if they drop-kicked the life vs. choice issue to states rights and not make it part of their platform. That debate can continue across the states in a fired up and restored republic.

Pepsi
11-05-2008, 05:31 PM
Those who become Republican becuse of Ron Paul should stay as a Republican, and keep working on changing the Party. The Neocons did not chang the Republican Party to what it is now over night, it will take time to do it...

liberteebell
11-05-2008, 05:40 PM
The Ron Paul agenda is where the Republican party should rebirth. Initially, some will be disaffected, but after time will come back in force plus they will pick up lots of future disaffected Dems.

The new republican party should stand for peace, self-reliance, small government, sound money, civil liberties. I think it would help if they drop-kicked the life vs. choice issue to states rights and not make it part of their platform. That debate can continue across the states in a fired up and restored republic.

+2008

(However, right now, I'm thinking that the republican party is a total lost cause. All I've heard out of republican's mouths today is complete, total and utter denial of the reality of the damaged brand.)

klamath
11-05-2008, 05:44 PM
Well i can tell you this right off the bat...it did NOT work to reach out to more liberal minded people..that was the idea for putting up mccain...it FAILED. The GOP needs to return to our conservative roots...if the gop promotes gay marriage , abortion etc...it will definately be sunk. California, Florida, Arizona ...all voted for One man One woman...in LARGE numbers..dems and republicans. tones

I agree on McCain. How ever those social issue on a federal level would become moot if we remove them from the national platorm. Federal congressmen wouldn't have to worry about them but state assembly members would have to fight it out:D.

FindLiberty
11-05-2008, 05:55 PM
Great ideal... It'll never happen! (unless a law is passed to execute lawmakers who exceed the limits on government stated in the Constitution right on-the-spot. This will require electing good Liberty-minded candidates that are also armed and fairly good shots. No term limits would be necessary.)

Smother the GOP under a six foot deep pile of peanut shells. The concept of two parties keeping each other in check while congress is in session is an illusion.

Runaway government will just have to waste, exhaust and murder itself! If you have any thoughts that it can be controlled, just look at the vote totals from the recent 2008 POTUS election.

Real_CaGeD
11-05-2008, 05:57 PM
The Larry McDonald conservative party.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3100752722910819372

The LMCP

klamath
11-05-2008, 06:07 PM
The Larry McDonald conservative party.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3100752722910819372

The LMCP

Sorry I am personally done trying to start new parties or build small ones. That doesn't mean I wouldn't be happy to work with any liberty minded candidates that you and others manage to get elected.

ihsv
11-05-2008, 06:17 PM
Well, if we ever do get control over the Republican party, I think we need to make every one who aspires to join up memorize the Bill of Rights and the Constitution. If they can recite it then they can join.

That way we can weed out at least some of the stupid ones.

JK/SEA
11-05-2008, 06:53 PM
Those who become Republican becuse of Ron Paul should stay as a Republican, and keep working on changing the Party. The Neocons did not chang the Republican Party to what it is now over night, it will take time to do it...


This would be me. And i am.

mport1
11-05-2008, 06:55 PM
The Republican Party was never a good party and cannot be used to achieve liberty. Do not waste time trying to infiltrate and reform them. Use your limited time and resources wisely for things that actually have a possibility of success.

JK/SEA
11-05-2008, 07:00 PM
Let it not be said we did nothing---Ron Paul

http://gopla.org/

klamath
11-05-2008, 07:39 PM
The Republican Party was never a good party and cannot be used to achieve liberty. Do not waste time trying to infiltrate and reform them. Use your limited time and resources wisely for things that actually have a possibility of success.

Sorry I have always been a republican and after watching the third parties "best year yet" I will stay a republican. If you don't care to be in this strategy conversation feel free to start a meeting to get a better showing for for a third party.

mport1
11-05-2008, 07:41 PM
Sorry I have always been a republican and after watching the third parties "best year yet" I will stay a republican. If you don't care to be in this strategy conversation feel free to start a meeting to get a better showing for for a third party.

I am not in favor of third parties either. The LP is a complete and utter failure and will never accomplish anything at the current pace.

Matt Collins
11-05-2008, 08:37 PM
I am not in favor of third parties either. The LP is a complete and utter failure and will never accomplish anything at the current pace.So I guess we should give up and do nothing:rolleyes:

Did it ever occour to you it's easier to hijack / take over another party than it is to build one from the ground and reinvent the wheel? The GOP has money, contacts, and infrastructure. Plus most Republicans agree with Ron Paul on most of the issues, most of the time.

speciallyblend
11-05-2008, 08:43 PM
FIRE Mike Duncan and the failed gop leadership!!!! FIRE dick wadhams in the cogop and his friends!!