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Truth Warrior
11-05-2008, 04:50 AM
Women's support proves key

Female voters heavily favor Obama, helping propel historic victory

By JoNel Aleccia

Health writer
updated 11:15 p.m. CT, Tues., Nov. 4, 2008


For the first time in at least two election cycles, Mary Gockowski voted for a Democrat Tuesday, surprising herself and joining the ranks of women who switched their allegiance from 2004.

The 52-year-old Ohio preschool worker was among women in key battleground states to support Sen. Barack Obama over Sen. John McCain, helping push Obama over the top for his historic victory.

The margin was narrow but telling in hard-fought Ohio, where 54 percent of women chose Obama, compared with 53 percent in 2004, when President Bush won a narrow victory in the state over Sen. John Kerry.

In Pennsylvania, another crucial state where McCain had pinned his hopes, 60 percent of women opted for Obama, compared with 54 percent who went for Kerry in 2004. In New Hampshire, exit polls suggested that 63 percent of women supported Obama, compared with 54 percent who supported Kerry four years ago.

Women voters typically are crucial to a Democratic presidential victory, and Obama was pulling 55 percent of their votes, compared with 43 percent for McCain, according to exit polls. Obama and McCain were nearly even among male voters, who split 49-49 percent.

Although Gockowski voted twice for President Bush, she said a single crucial decision diverted her from McCain.

"I do like Barack Obama, but Sarah Palin was the nail in the coffin," she said. "I objected to (McCain's) judgment and to the idea that, 'Here, we'll give another female to the women of American because they might be dumb enough to vote for a female because of her sex.'"

She wasn't alone. Four in 10 voters overall said Palin was an important factor in deciding whom to vote for.

The Alaskan governor and vice presidential nominee figured large in a presidential campaign that featured historic firsts for female candidates. Across the country, women swamped polling stations Tuesday, drawn to a race that guaranteed change through either race or gender.

Women voters outnumbered men nationally by about 53-47 percent, according to exit polls. Women make up not only more of the general population, but also more of adult voters, historic census figures show.

'Women decided this election'

“He just captured me,” said Letitia Hughes, 42, an African-American mother of three from Fishers, Ind., a battleground state.

While some 95 percent of African-American men and 96 percent of women voted for Obama, according to exit polls, white voters generally favored McCain. But 46 percent of white women voted for Obama, according to exit polls, compared with only 41 percent of white men.

"If men split evenly between Obama and McCain, then women decided this election," said Debbie Walsh, director of the Center for American Women and Politics at Rutgers University.

Monique Craig, a 40-year-old white administrative assistant from Boca Raton, Fla., was among those who landed in the McCain camp.

“I support (McCain) because I’m afraid if Obama gets elected we’re going to go to a more socialistic government,” said Craig. “I don’t feel like he’s strong enough to run the country with any kind of terrorist attack.”

Craig, who supported Mitt Romney in the primaries, said she liked McCain’s choice of Palin as his running mate, but thought a different woman might have improved his chances.

“My daughters and I loved Sarah Palin, but I would have been happier with (Secretary of State) Condoleezza Rice,” she said.


Analysts expected Tuesday’s crowds to include record numbers of single women voters, who could help fuel a “marriage gap” that could be more significant than a gender gap, or the difference between how men and women support the same candidate. The Women’s Voices. Women Vote Action Fund registered 900,000 new unmarried female voters, according to Page Gardner, the advocacy agency’s president.

“There’s something about being on your own as a woman in this country that is politically significant,” Gardner said. "Unmarried women are at the razor's edge of the economic crisis."

The gap between Obama and McCain was closer among married women. Those with children supported Obama 53 percent to 45 percent for McCain, exit polls showed. Those without children favored McCain 54 percent to 44 percent.

70 percent of single women choose Obama

But at least 70 percent of unmarried women with and without children supported Obama, a margin of more than 2-to-1. By contrast, 53 percent of unmarried women opted for Kerry in 2004, said Anna Greenberg, a Democratic pollster and vice president of the research firm Greenberg, Quinlan Rosner.

“I just really wanted change,” said Jen Dudley, 22, who is unmarried and works as an accountant at a small business in Richmond, Va. She waited an hour and 40 minutes to cast her vote in the battleground state.

What does she hope an Obama victory will change?

“Everything, I hope,” said Dudley.

2008 msnbc.com

URL: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/27524699/

Truth Warrior
11-05-2008, 06:42 AM
bump for "New posts" :rolleyes:

kaleidoscope eyes
11-05-2008, 08:20 AM
woman bump
;)

mediahasyou
11-05-2008, 08:40 AM
when you look for a president like you do for a husband, you get trouble.

Truth Warrior
11-05-2008, 08:59 AM
woman bump
;)

Thanks for being one of the sane ones! :)

Natalie
11-05-2008, 09:12 AM
This is why women shouldn't be allowed to vote...:rolleyes:

Truth Warrior
11-05-2008, 09:16 AM
This is why women shouldn't be allowed to vote...:rolleyes: I've made that argument more than once. ;) :) Most often since Bubba's 2nd POTUS term election. :rolleyes:

A. Havnes
11-05-2008, 09:16 AM
How reassuring to know that the majority of women voters were voting on such superficial reasons. "McCain is obviously sexist, so we'll vote for Obama!" What good reasoning.

Black people voted for him so that a glass ceiling would shatter, and the youth voted for him because it's racist not to vote for him.

Yes, these are broad generalizations, but I think there's an ounce of truth to them. Congrats to all who didn't vote for Obama!

Truth Warrior
11-05-2008, 01:58 PM
bump

PaleoForPaul
11-05-2008, 02:03 PM
Women decided it?

From the same article:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26843704/

Sex by race
Category Obama McCain % Total
White men 41 57 36
White women 46 53 39
Black men 95 5 5
Black women 96 3 7
Latino men 64 33 4
Latino women 68 30 5
All other races 64 32 5


Why not tell the truth? The white vote was close, but went to McCain.

The minority vote pushed Obama over the top.

I guess that wouldn't make for a politically correct headline though.

socialize_me
11-05-2008, 02:04 PM
So we can blame women now?

Truth Warrior
11-05-2008, 02:05 PM
Women decided it?

From the same article:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26843704/

Sex by race
Category Obama McCain % Total
White men 41 57 36
White women 46 53 39
Black men 95 5 5
Black women 96 3 7
Latino men 64 33 4
Latino women 68 30 5
All other races 64 32 5


Why not tell the truth? The white vote was close, but went to McCain.

The minority vote pushed Obama over the top.

I guess that wouldn't make for a politically correct headline though. PC sucks.

PaleoForPaul
11-05-2008, 02:08 PM
Fixed formatting:


From the same article:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26843704/

White Men voted for McCain 57-41
White Woman voted for McCain 53-46

Black Men voted Obama 95-5
Black women voted Obama 96-3

Latino Men voted Obama 64-33
Latino Women voted Obama 68-30

Why not tell the truth? The white vote was close, but went to McCain.

The minority vote pushed Obama over the top.

I guess that wouldn't make for a politically correct headline though.

RickyJ
11-05-2008, 02:09 PM
This is why women shouldn't be allowed to vote...:rolleyes:

I agree. :D

Xenophage
11-05-2008, 02:19 PM
I've never dated a girl that would vote for Ron Paul.

This makes me immeasurably sad.

Nirvikalpa
11-05-2008, 02:26 PM
Thank you Paleo, for stating the truth.

This is serious starting to get on my nerves. RPF has just been a bastion of sexism the past few days.

:rolleyes:

Xenophage
11-05-2008, 02:36 PM
Thank you Paleo, for stating the truth.

This is serious starting to get on my nerves. RPF has just been a bastion of sexism the past few days.

:rolleyes:

I'll show you a "bastion" of SEXY!:D

Nirvikalpa
11-05-2008, 02:37 PM
I'll show you a "bastion" of SEXY!:D

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2026/2571550746_ff23a1168f.jpg

Xenophage
11-05-2008, 02:39 PM
lol! that guy is a true hero

yongrel
11-05-2008, 02:52 PM
People who voted Democrat pushed Obama over the top.

Grimnir Wotansvolk
11-05-2008, 03:19 PM
they gots the jungle fever

amy31416
11-05-2008, 04:38 PM
If you insist on "blaming" someone, never forget that Bush had a majority male white vote.

I guess you were itching for either a venue to showcase your sexism or perhaps hoping for someone to make this argument to bolster your "don't vote" argument.

Either way, you've earned yet another :rolleyes: from me, use it wisely.

Penners
11-05-2008, 04:42 PM
I can't help but believe that alot of women were lead down this path of destruction by Oprah. While not an Oprah fan, I'll damn sure never watch her show. Other women, I think, as well as young people were swooned by the youth, charisma and promises of change. Well we are gonna get it.... hold on to your purses ladies!

A. Havnes
11-05-2008, 04:45 PM
People who voted Democrat pushed Obama over the top.

Very much agreed.

Danke
11-05-2008, 05:01 PM
If you insist on "blaming" someone, never forget that Bush had a majority male white vote.

I guess you were itching for either a venue to showcase your sexism or perhaps hoping for someone to make this argument to bolster your "don't vote" argument.

Either way, you've earned yet another :rolleyes: from me, use it wisely.

Yeah, but without women, we never would have gotten the Federal Reserve Act passed.

amy31416
11-05-2008, 07:21 PM
Yeah, but without women, we never would have gotten the Federal Reserve Act passed.

Women got the right to vote in 1920, son. The Federal Reserve Act was passed in 1913.

Try again.

Anti Federalist
11-05-2008, 08:43 PM
Women got the right to vote in 1920, son. The Federal Reserve Act was passed in 1913.

Try again.

Oh Shit!!
http://www.garageracing.com/schel/a/funny/owned/pwned.jpg

Mortikhi
11-05-2008, 09:09 PM
"Women's support proves key"

They're only 51% of the population.

WHO THE FUCK KNEW!?

Danke
11-05-2008, 09:29 PM
Women got the right to vote in 1920, son. The Federal Reserve Act was passed in 1913.

Try again.

That sarcasm went right over your head.

Danke
11-05-2008, 09:31 PM
Oh Shit!!


U too I see. Maybe TW is right.

amy31416
11-05-2008, 09:34 PM
That sarcasm went right over your head.

Not my fault you can't convey sarcasm very well. I'm a big fan of it myself.

Glad you weren't serious though, even if you seemed entirely so.

Anti Federalist
11-05-2008, 10:04 PM
U too I see. Maybe TW is right.

I don't think it was sarcasm, I think you got your dates mixed up.

But if it was then, :D

And if it wasn't, then, :D

Either way I'm, :D

amy31416
11-05-2008, 10:22 PM
I'm probably too forgiving.

Doktor_Jeep
11-05-2008, 10:23 PM
Considering America before women's suffrage


and America after 3 generations of it....


was it really a good idea?

Danke
11-05-2008, 10:26 PM
I don't think it was sarcasm, I think you got your dates mixed up.



Yeah, you're right!

But you see if it wasn't for women, then those men would not have been born to pass the act. :p


I use the example of the Federal Reserve Act when people try to blame women's "socialistic" voting tendencies. To me no greater harm has been done in recent times as creating the third central bank. Kinda a root to many of our ills. And as we know, men were the ones that were voters at that time, not women.

Danke
11-05-2008, 10:32 PM
Considering America before women's suffrage


and America after 3 generations of it....


was it really a good idea?

See my post above.

Also consider the "Civil" War. The root(s) of our problems started before suffrage.

amy31416
11-05-2008, 10:53 PM
Listen, many women with a conscience already blame themselves for everything that's gone wrong. I've had enough of it though.

Every individual is responsible for their own decisions, and that includes men. During times when women or black men had no say, you can not blame them. You can only blame (if you must be collective) white men.

White men are responsible for creating this country (thank you), they are also responsible for reproducing with these white women that have allegedly caused so many problems.

It's really funny, no man has ever taken care of me, and I doubt that one will ever take care of me nearly as well as I've taken care of several of them. Us women are the problem here?

I don't think so.

Mini-Me
11-05-2008, 11:03 PM
See my post above.

Also consider the "Civil" War. The root(s) of our problems started before suffrage.

It makes you wonder: If the Founding Fathers and Framers had been actually able to abolish slavery as early as the framing of the Constitution and all the states went along with it, what would our government look like today? Would a Ron Paul Revolution or a Campaign for Liberty even be necessary this early in our history? After all, the Civil War would never have happened, Lincoln wouldn't have been able to destroy federalism, and that precedent of extreme centralized power and especially executive power would not have been set for others like Wilson, FDR, and Bush Jr. to build upon. We certainly wouldn't have a perfect country even by the standards of Constitutionalists (let alone hardcore libertarians and anarchists ;)), since the Constitution obviously has some built-in flaws (mainly the lack of sufficient checks to enforce it)...but up until Lincoln, most of the worst federal power-grabs were successfully reversed, like the Alien and Sedition Acts and the first and second central banks. In this sense, I believe the roots of our country's early demise were planted when the Framers failed to abolish slavery from the beginning. :(

If only we could travel back in time to warn them...:-/

amy31416
11-05-2008, 11:06 PM
It makes you wonder: If the Founding Fathers and Framers had been actually able to abolish slavery as early as the framing of the Constitution and all the states went along with it, what would our government look like today? Would a Ron Paul Revolution or a Campaign for Liberty even be necessary this early in our history? After all, the Civil War would never have happened, Lincoln wouldn't have been able to destroy federalism, and that precedent of extreme executive power would not have been set for others like Wilson, Roosevelt, Bush, etc. to build upon. We certainly wouldn't have a perfect country even by the standards of Constitutionalists (let alone hardcore libertarians and anarchists ;)), since the Constitution obviously has some built-in flaws (mainly the lack of sufficient checks to enforce it)...but up until Lincoln, most of the worst federal power-grabs were successfully reversed, like the Alien and Sedition Acts and the first and second central banks. In this sense, I believe the roots of our country's early demise were planted when the Framers failed to abolish slavery from the beginning. :(

If only we could travel back in time to warn them...:-/

I think that one thing we don't realize is that it is always necessary, if we are to sustain this freedom-type of lifestyle, to have a Ron Paul/Thomas Jefferson type of watchdog thing going.

We can never let our guard down when it comes to liberty.

amy31416
11-05-2008, 11:12 PM
Considering America before women's suffrage


and America after 3 generations of it....


was it really a good idea?

No. All human beings should not be equal. The lesser of us should have to fucking pay for being something we can not control and it is obviously a mother-fucking negative that we keep the human population going because we put up with your bullshit.

Fuck yeah. I wish I had a penis, because then I'd finally be good enough. I'd be able to write my name in the snow with my very own piss.

Fuck you. You want to blame all the country's problems on us, feel free. Bet if we all left you'd have a much bigger problem.

Mini-Me
11-05-2008, 11:50 PM
No. All human beings should not be equal. The lesser of us should have to fucking pay for being something we can not control and it is obviously a mother-fucking negative that we keep the human population going because we put up with your bullshit.

Fuck yeah. I wish I had a penis, because then I'd finally be good enough. I'd be able to write my name in the snow with my very own piss.

Fuck you.

Snow eventually melts. Real men like Chuck Norris, who want to make a lasting impression, piss their name into concrete instead. :D

Seriously though, the first line of your post is what it comes down to: Equal rights under the law, specifically because women must put up with the laws of the government just the same way that the men must. Even if every single woman in the country voted like a retarded monkey hyped up on crack, which obviously isn't the case, they would still have a right to representation. Of course, if women really were this mentally invalid, I guess it would be difficult to justify letting them vote while still excluding children, who are not allowed to vote because of the usually correct assumption that they're too incompetent to do so. ;) In this vein, it bothers me that I have trouble clearly differentiating the way we don't allow children to vote from the way bigots of previous generations did not allow other groups of supposedly "incompetent" people to vote, such as women and racial minorities. I mean, sure, the vast majority of children are entirely incapable of forming sensible political views...but then again, so is the rest of the population, based on our own experience with elections. ;) In this way, an age cutoff seems just as arbitrary as a gender cutoff, racial standard, income cutoff, IQ test cutoff, etc. I suppose children are unique, however, since they typically have to worry a whole lot more about the dictatorship of their parents than they have to worry about the potential tyranny of their government.