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Spider-Man
11-04-2008, 11:33 PM
I'm considering formally de-friending and cutting off communication with some of my liberal friends, as I am currently pissed off at their praising the election of this abortion-sanctioning communist. The list of people to be excommunicated from my life would include my own sister.

Anyone else feel this way?

AbolishTheGovt
11-04-2008, 11:36 PM
I'm considering formally de-friending and cutting off communication with some of my liberal friends, as I am currently pissed off at their praising the election of this abortion-sanctioning communist. The list of people to be excommunicated from my life would include my own sister.

Anyone else feel this way?

Nah, don't. Keep in touch with them, and be an emissary of liberty to them.

I just got done having a three hour long argument with my best friend (she is a self-proclaimed socialist, who voted for Obama) over whether the right of self-ownership is an inherent human right that actually exists. Phew But I made some serious progress.

Kludge
11-04-2008, 11:36 PM
It's a great time to actively push our message. The media won't be pushing their false ideological crap for another four years.


Grassroots campaigns are in a good position. I believe I will be very active in Slave Uprising this summer.

silus
11-04-2008, 11:43 PM
Thats childish, immature and weak. Be an ambassador to your cause.

Spider-Man
11-04-2008, 11:47 PM
I'd rather just retreat into my own socially restrictive shell?

Why is that childish? Turtles do it and they live for a long time.

trey4sports
11-04-2008, 11:48 PM
Thats childish, immature and weak. Be an ambassador to your cause.

qft

Kludge
11-04-2008, 11:51 PM
I'd rather just retreat into my own socially restrictive shell?

It will probably be easier for you to evade tyranny if you move so long as you can live with leaving us behind. It's not childish, it's selfish and rational. Loyalty is irrational, I don't know why I still hold on to it even though I try so hard not to. I suppose I'm not cut out for true Nihilism after all...

Golding
11-05-2008, 12:12 AM
It's up to you, I guess. But I think you should at least respect your family more than you respect a candidate. Don't isolate yourself from your sister just because she supports someone with a different political ideology than your own.

UtahApocalypse
11-05-2008, 12:13 AM
Already have

Conza88
11-05-2008, 12:14 AM
"I never considered a difference of opinion in politics, in religion, in philosophy, as cause for withdrawing from a friend." ~ Thomas Jefferson

RedLightning
11-05-2008, 12:16 AM
I couldn't it seems all my friends like Obama...

Kludge
11-05-2008, 12:19 AM
I couldn't it seems all my friends like Obama...

You ought to pick better friends :p

ClayTrainor
11-05-2008, 12:19 AM
"I never considered a difference of opinion in politics, in religion, in philosophy, as cause for withdrawing from a friend." ~ Thomas Jefferson

wow, TJ really covered all of the bases didn't he :cool:

RedLightning
11-05-2008, 12:29 AM
You ought to pick better friends :p

I'm a gun owner who's major is Wildlife Management, I don't know how I attract democrats?! At least my GF voted for a few Libertarian candidates.

RonPaulNewbee
11-05-2008, 12:47 AM
You ought to pick better friends :p

So this is the advice you give. Idiot. I had thought better of you, man.

Hmmmm. Here we have the first President who really wants (and can attain) to be a uniter not a divider. And because he is did what what it took to be elected you advise getting rid of friends. You have no experience in diplomacy I see.


But this is not praise for Obama, though it is probably deserved on this sober occasion. I have a sibling for Obama and a sibling for McCain. I was one of the .03% in my county to vote for Baldwin (which always goes Repugnican). But I know enough to value the fact that our longest serving Rep. Roscoe Bartlett votes a higher degree in line with the Constitution than most others. Do I excoriate him because he's voted to support a Repugnican agenda? No, I probably will rely on him for local support of change!

Still I voted for the Libertarian. My point is BE YOURSELF, and if you have a commodity that becomes known and needed then they will come to you for it. Keep all your friends but be realistic about what they can do for you. The Repugnicans have made their bed with Bush. Ron Paul is considered a racist (un-fairly) by minorities because he has thrown in with this lot. Barry Goldwater is dead and Ron should have been a Libertarian. Look how he was treated by the Repugnicans.

Get on the right side side of history Repugnicans and support real change. Ron can't do it, Jesus can't do it, and Chuck Baldwin can't do it. Abortion? Are you serious? No, probably a skin-head I'd wager. Identify wedge issues that will only cause you to be a pawn of the power brokers. The new agenda is the new kind of patriotism that is colorblind and populist. But you won't listen to me I'm sure ... you'll want to remain tied to this dying GOP that has you bound up with Bush War.

The train is leaving ... as I've warned in posts before. You can all be essentially grumpy old men. Or you can participate and contribute in the new power structure where you could potentially help out. This election is over. But how many here will remain in public service? And how many will remain as ideologues denied a seat at the table. I'd rather be a part of something special, but imperfect, than to have no relevance to the future. Obama ran the perfect campaign. Will a Libertarian ever do that?

Kludge
11-05-2008, 12:52 AM
And because he is did what what it took to be elected you advise getting rid of friends.

Fail. Retry... Or not.

RonPaulNewbee
11-05-2008, 12:55 AM
Last word? Or bad advice? You retry, please.

Kludge
11-05-2008, 12:57 AM
Last word? Or bad advice? You retry, please.

I never spoke of getting rid of friends. Instead, I criticized (not seriously, mind you) his ability to pick friends.

RonPaulNewbee
11-05-2008, 01:01 AM
Oh, clever distinction. Kind of like the veiled racial references in your DC Popular Vote thread. Unless I read that wrong too. Its a distinction w/o a difference.

Kludge
11-05-2008, 01:07 AM
Unless I read that wrong too.

Yep. You saw "black" in ONE of the charts and assumed incorrectly. Due to differences in statistics from race to race, they isolated (in that particular chart) a variable by focusing on one group. I was commenting on the failure of the local populace (not just blacks -- actually, I'm unsure of the racial makeup in D.C.) to run a local government which I tried to prove using charts. Their ineptitude is thus reflected (if I did my job) in choosing Obama with margins of 93:7.

qh4dotcom
11-05-2008, 01:17 AM
I'm considering formally de-friending and cutting off communication with some of my liberal friends, as I am currently pissed off at their praising the election of this abortion-sanctioning communist. The list of people to be excommunicated from my life would include my own sister.

Anyone else feel this way?

I wouldn't completely cut them off...simply make them chase you, let them pay the restaurant bills, etc.

Josh_LA
11-05-2008, 01:18 AM
"I never considered a difference of opinion in politics, in religion, in philosophy, as cause for withdrawing from a friend." ~ Thomas Jefferson

there comes a point where differences matter. and needless to say there are varying degrees of friendship.

there's also an obvious gray area between being conformist and anti-social.

RonPaulNewbee
11-05-2008, 01:20 AM
Not sure about D.C. huh?

sorry I was over at the Ron Paul Circle Jerk momentarily. had to set some kids straight over there!

Anyway, yeah, D.C. is like 100% black. Surprise surprise surprise! And P.G. County schools are like 97% black. Well, probably, I'm not sure. But given the chance to put my kids into those schools, I "opted-out". Not racist against blacks. Just wanted a better learning environment for my kids.

So you are having a difficult time understanding why the "populace" in Washington would vote Obama. Hmmmmm. That's gonna take me all night!

Kludge
11-05-2008, 01:26 AM
Anyway, yeah, D.C. is like 100% black.

So you are having a difficult time understanding why the "populace" in Washington would vote Obama. Hmmmmm. That's gonna take me all night!

http://factfinder.census.gov/servlet/ADPTable?_bm=y&-geo_id=04000US11&-qr_name=ACS_2007_1YR_G00_DP5&-context=adp&-ds_name=&-tree_id=307&-_lang=en&-redoLog=false&-format=

37% White
55.5% Black
.6% Native American
3.7% Asian
5% Other

kojirodensetsu
11-05-2008, 01:27 AM
Yeah there are times when I say "how did I manage to have so many liberal friends?" But if I got rid of all my liberal friends I'd be a very lonely guy. And my friends are the type that even if I point out how Obama is corrupt they still vote for him anyways. So I just try to not bring up politics when I hang out with them.

RonPaulNewbee
11-05-2008, 01:42 AM
http://factfinder.census.gov/servlet/ADPTable?_bm=y&-geo_id=04000US11&-qr_name=ACS_2007_1YR_G00_DP5&-context=adp&-ds_name=&-tree_id=307&-_lang=en&-redoLog=false&-format=

37% White
55.5% Black
.6% Native American
3.7% Asian
5% Other

stats ... stats. what do they mean. census. does this include international populations? is this the public school system? do they live in washington and work in maryland? do they work in washington and live in maryland? virginia? okay, lets say it's diverse. It's also international. Other could mean Jamaican! get back to me when you can say something other than quoting stats. I'd like to have a real conversation. but I'm beat tonight: I've been up since 5 a.m. working the election. need rest badly. but really, get back to me if you have something reasonable to say. I'm not staying quiet any more.

RonPaulNewbee
11-05-2008, 01:44 AM
Yeah there are times when I say "how did I manage to have so many liberal friends?" But if I got rid of all my liberal friends I'd be a very lonely guy. And my friends are the type that even if I point out how Obama is corrupt they still vote for him anyways. So I just try to not bring up politics when I hang out with them.

Liberal? You use that as if a dirty word. Liberal. Liberty. Libertarian. More like human.

And Obama's corrupt? Really! How? And how do you know this? CFR?

RevolutionSD
11-05-2008, 02:22 AM
Thats childish, immature and weak. Be an ambassador to your cause.

It's most definitely not weak, cutting people off is extremely ballsy.

jcarcinogen
11-05-2008, 02:39 AM
"I never considered a difference of opinion in politics, in religion, in philosophy, as cause for withdrawing from a friend." ~ Thomas Jefferson

QFT. That man was genius.

BenIsForRon
11-05-2008, 02:52 AM
We all come from matter that coalesced after the Big Bang billions of years ago. We are all brothers.

kojirodensetsu
11-05-2008, 04:18 AM
Liberal? You use that as if a dirty word. Liberal. Liberty. Libertarian. More like human.

And Obama's corrupt? Really! How? And how do you know this? CFR?
Ya I do use liberal like it's a swear word. By liberals I don't mean liberty minded people. You know exactly what I mean when I say liberals. You're just arguing over semantics.

And I shouldn't have to explain how Obama is corrupt on a Ron Paul forum. Everyone here already should know that he's corrupt.

brandon
11-06-2008, 02:30 PM
I'm considering formally de-friending and cutting off communication with some of my liberal friends, as I am currently pissed off at their praising the election of this abortion-sanctioning communist. The list of people to be excommunicated from my life would include my own sister.

Anyone else feel this way?

Yes, yes indeed.

I really cannot stand them.

Some of them even have the audacity to laugh mockingly at my beliefs in my own face.

I have no need for them anymore.

heavenlyboy34
11-06-2008, 03:14 PM
If you consider yourself a proponent of RP philosophy, you'll find more in common with your lib friends than you might suspect. (recall the recent Naomi Wolf interview that Lew Rockwell did) You will have an opputunity to educate them from the liberty perspective. :) I find that left-liberals are easier to persudade than neocons.

heavenlyboy34
11-06-2008, 03:18 PM
Ya I do use liberal like it's a swear word. By liberals I don't mean liberty minded people. You know exactly what I mean when I say liberals. You're just arguing over semantics.

Actually, he's arguing for the proper usage of the L-word. It's been hijacked by the left, just like neocons hijacked "conservative". :(

mudhoney
11-06-2008, 03:30 PM
Seems to me that once all the hype is over, Obama and the Democrat Congress will do some very anti-liberal things. Or at least, they will not do the things they should be expected to. Like ending war, repealing the PATRIOT act, closing Guantanamo, restoring civil liberties and restricting executive power.

Sure, plenty of them will look the other way, but a lot of them can be convinced that Democrats aren't the anti-Bush they wish they were.

pacelli
11-06-2008, 05:34 PM
Seems to me that once all the hype is over, Obama and the Democrat Congress will do some very anti-liberal things. Or at least, they will not do the things they should be expected to. Like ending war, repealing the PATRIOT act, closing Guantanamo, restoring civil liberties and restricting executive power.

Sure, plenty of them will look the other way, but a lot of them can be convinced that Democrats aren't the anti-Bush they wish they were.

Guys & Gals. Obama doesn't even know that you & your friends are alive. Time for some realistic perspective. Don't allow this sociocultural construct called "president elect" ruin your friendships. You have friendships for various reasons, and Obama clearly doesn't want to be friends with anyone.

jblosser
11-06-2008, 05:43 PM
Friendship* with all, entangling alliances with none!

*Until they try to deprive you of life, liberty, or property and you choose to defend yourself.

Mini-Me
11-06-2008, 06:10 PM
If you consider yourself a proponent of RP philosophy, you'll find more in common with your lib friends than you might suspect. (recall the recent Naomi Wolf interview that Lew Rockwell did) You will have an opputunity to educate them from the liberty perspective. :) I find that left-liberals are easier to persudade than neocons.

This. :)
Plus, Conza/Thomas Jefferson had a mildly decent point as well. ;)

SeanEdwards
11-06-2008, 06:49 PM
"I never considered a difference of opinion in politics, in religion, in philosophy, as cause for withdrawing from a friend." ~ Thomas Jefferson

That's funny, cause he sure shit all over John Adams when they were political opponents, despite more than a decade of very close friendship.

But then Jefferson was always a huge hypocrite. The slaveowner who yearned to be free. Yeah right.

tonesforjonesbones
11-06-2008, 07:00 PM
I have pretty much cut mine off. They drink and get high..they don't know the issues...they have no clue about the constitution...they blame the puppet bush for everything...they are clueless sheep. I gave them all a copy of Freedom to Fascism...not ONE of them looked at it. I can't waste any more time on them. They are too old and brainwashed. tones

RonPaulNewbee
11-06-2008, 07:12 PM
That's funny, cause he sure shit all over John Adams when they were political opponents, despite more than a decade of very close friendship.

But then Jefferson was always a huge hypocrite....
Sounds just like RPF members to me.:p

RonPaulNewbee
11-06-2008, 07:13 PM
Ya I do use liberal like it's a swear word. By liberals I don't mean liberty minded people. You know exactly what I mean when I say liberals. You're just arguing over semantics.

And I shouldn't have to explain how Obama is corrupt on a Ron Paul forum. Everyone here already should know that he's corrupt.


Prove it, conspiracy man!

RonPaulNewbee
11-06-2008, 07:15 PM
Yes, yes indeed.

I really cannot stand them.

Some of them even have the audacity to laugh mockingly at my beliefs in my own face.




Were you wearing the tin-foil hate at the time? You gotta remember to take it off in public.

RonPaulNewbee
11-06-2008, 07:23 PM
We all come from matter that coalesced after the Big Bang billions of years ago. We are all brothers.

That's a good point but it will be brushed aside. Partisan bickering rules the day, even on RPF. Everybody seems pissed that a black man will become president. Some say, "he will not be MY president"! I have not seen one post in the last two days that even acknowledges how historic this election was.

RonPaulNewbee
11-06-2008, 07:30 PM
http://factfinder.census.gov/servlet/ADPTable?_bm=y&-geo_id=04000US11&-qr_name=ACS_2007_1YR_G00_DP5&-context=adp&-ds_name=&-tree_id=307&-_lang=en&-redoLog=false&-format=

37% White
55.5% Black
.6% Native American
3.7% Asian
5% Other

D.C. voted 97% for Obama. Only 55% black. Hmmm. Don't remember the original debate, but, hmmm.

Conza88
11-06-2008, 07:41 PM
Prove it, conspiracy man!

Disprove it, coincidence theorist! :rolleyes:

Mini-Me
11-06-2008, 07:45 PM
That's a good point but it will be brushed aside. Partisan bickering rules the day, even on RPF. Everybody seems pissed that a black man will become president. Some say, "he will not be MY president"! I have not seen one post in the last two days that even acknowledges how historic this election was.

I've seen several such posts, actually. In about two seconds of searching, here are two (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showpost.php?p=1807326&postcount=11) in a row (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showpost.php?p=1807348&postcount=12). It's great that a black (or half black) man can become President. However, I find it frightening that that's all mainstream America cares about when our economy is in shambles, our worldwide empire is collapsing, etc...we have all these problems threatening the very future of our country, and all people seem to care about is getting a black guy into the White House?!? :rolleyes: You're using a straw man argument by saying "Everybody seems pissed that a black man will become president (sic)," when that's obviously not why the vast majority of people on this board can't stand Obama. I can't stand Obama because of his policies, which not only uphold the status quo, but which will expand the power of government for the benefit of globalist and corporatist interests...and further, I can't stand him because he's successfully deceived so many people into thinking he's somehow different from other sleazy politicians.

RonPaulNewbee
11-06-2008, 08:12 PM
Ah, yes, Damian and acptulsa ... I'd forgotten! Very nice posts.

You make a lot of rather loaded statements, sleazy politicians, status quo. Okay there's truth to that somewhat: politics IS sleazy. It's all about power. Status quo? Nobody wants to rock the boat to much or it will tip. Even Ron has said that his transition to constitutional government would take a long time. We can't just eliminate the Social Security Dept, NIH, USDA, Dept. of Education, Medicare, the FED, the IRS, and Welfare just like that. If you believe you can, then you are deep under the influence of the KoolAid. This is serious stuff here. Also we don't just PULL OUT of Iraq. That would be a disaster. It will need to take 18 to 36 months. So knowing all this, I'd be happy if Barack Obama can get us back to the Clinton Years by the end of his first term. I'd be very, very happy.

The_Orlonater
11-06-2008, 08:22 PM
Ah, yes, Damian and acptulsa ... I'd forgotten! Very nice posts.

You make a lot of rather loaded statements, sleazy politicians, status quo. Okay there's truth to that somewhat: politics IS sleazy. It's all about power. Status quo? Nobody wants to rock the boat to much or it will tip. Even Ron has said that his transition to constitutional government would take a long time. We can't just eliminate the Social Security Dept, NIH, USDA, Dept. of Education, Medicare, the FED, the IRS, and Welfare just like that. If you believe you can, then you are deep under the influence of the KoolAid. This is serious stuff here. Also we don't just PULL OUT of Iraq. That would be a disaster. It will need to take 18 to 36 months. So knowing all this, I'd be happy if Barack Obama can get us back to the Clinton Years by the end of his first term. I'd be very, very happy.


Maybe not Social Security(Medicare too) and welfare, but the others why not?You just say we can't, but you never give your reasons. Disaster, pfft what a fucking joke. We're all going to die if we leave Iraq or have Beaurocrats giving horrible history books to the kids.

RedLightning
11-06-2008, 08:32 PM
I'm a gun owner who's major is Wildlife Management, I don't know how I attract democrats?! At least my GF voted for a few Libertarian candidates.

Well not my idea but make that ex girlfriend...Well I'm getting rid of my Obama friends...:(

Kludge
11-06-2008, 08:38 PM
Disprove it, coincidence theorist! :rolleyes:

Well played. :)

libertarian4321
11-06-2008, 08:52 PM
I'm considering formally de-friending and cutting off communication with some of my liberal friends, as I am currently pissed off at their praising the election of this abortion-sanctioning communist. The list of people to be excommunicated from my life would include my own sister.

Anyone else feel this way?

Am I the only one that thinks the level of "hysteria" and "downright batshit crazy" is rising on the RPF these days?

Dude, if you can't get along with someone who doesn't agree with you, YOU'RE OUT OF YOUR FREAKING MIND. Get help, fast. Your about 2 steps from climbing a tower with a high powered rifle.

Xenophage
11-07-2008, 11:14 AM
I'd rather just retreat into my own socially restrictive shell?

Why is that childish? Turtles do it and they live for a long time.

LOL! You're awesome.

RonPaulNewbee
11-07-2008, 11:23 AM
Am I the only one that thinks the level of "hysteria" and "downright batshit crazy" is rising on the RPF these days?

Dude, if you can't get along with someone who doesn't agree with you, YOU'RE OUT OF YOUR FREAKING MIND. Get help, fast. Your about 2 steps from climbing a tower with a high powered rifle.


Well Said!





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heavenlyboy34
11-07-2008, 11:49 AM
Am I the only one that thinks the level of "hysteria" and "downright batshit crazy" is rising on the RPF these days?

Dude, if you can't get along with someone who doesn't agree with you, YOU'RE OUT OF YOUR FREAKING MIND. Get help, fast. Your about 2 steps from climbing a tower with a high powered rifle.

Ya gotta do what ya gotta do. ;)