Chuck + Barr Barely Beats Nader

[Mani]

Even if you add Barr's 370K votes to Chucks 125K votes, together they barely beat out Nader at 454K.

If you add all 3 up, it's barely 1 million. I thought RP had 1 million primary votes, guess I thought his million plus other libertarian and other 3rd party people would equal a few million for the 3rd parties. I'm a bit disappointed in the overall 3rd party showings.



http://news.aol.com/elections/2008/president

Looks like seeds of freedom need a bit longer time to grow.

[ArrestPoliticians]

sounds like there were too many moderate primary supporters with no sense of urgency in the general election.

[SovereignMN]

Lots of Ron Paul supporters I know got scared of the boogy man and voted for McCain.:(

[Mani]

Lots of Ron Paul supporters I know got scared of the boogy man and voted for McCain.:(


Yeah. I had a bunch of people in my office going RP in the primary, but they were scared to death of BO and went McCain.


I guess Fear Mongering is the Republican way. They are a one trick pony.

Fear: Terrorists! Iraq! Save us from Terrorists! 9/11! 9/11! WMD! Islamo Facism Terrorist baby eaters! VOTE for the Patriot Act! Go to War! No choice! Must save us from terrorists!!!

When that got old: Commies! Socialist! We know you don't like McCain, but if you don't vote for him, we'll be taken over by Fidel Castro! Oh gawd help us from the Communists!!! The evil Socialist Antichrist will kill us all! Save us! Vote Mccain!

That was enough fear mongering to move votes to McCain.

[RideTheDirt]

Lots of Ron Paul supporters I know got scared of the boogy man and voted for McCain.:(
This.

[Kludge]

Growth...?

1972: John Hospers and Theodora Nathan
2,691 popular votes (0.003%); 1 electoral vote;
1976: Roger MacBride and David Bergland
173,011 popular votes (0.21%)
1980: Ed Clark and David Koch
921,299 popular votes (1.1%)
1984: David Bergland and James A. Lewis
228,705 popular votes (0.25%)
1988: Ron Paul and Andre Marrou
432,179 popular votes (0.47%)
1992: Andre Marrou and Nancy Lord
291,627 popular votes (0.28%)
1996: Harry Browne and Jo Jorgensen
485,798 popular votes (0.50%)
2000: Harry Browne and Art Olivier
384,431 popular votes (0.36%)
2004: Michael Badnarik and Richard Campagna
397,265 popular votes (0.34%)
2008: Bob Barr and Wayne Allyn Root
~600,000 popular votes (~0.40%)

[The_Orlonater]

Fuck, it's because we were all split into stupid little 3rd parties. I warned this months ago. Yeah, vote for one out of four. :rolleyes:

[Mani]

Fuck, it's because we were all split into stupid little 3rd parties. I warned this months ago. Yeah, vote for one out of four. :rolleyes:

I'm just adding up the big two that seemed to be popular with RP folks. Barr and Chuck.

[Kludge]

Fuck, it's because we were all split into stupid little 3rd parties. I warned this months ago. Yeah, vote for one out of four. :rolleyes:

Combine them and there is still no effect AND people must compromise their vote (many would likely abstain altogether).

[ArrestPoliticians]

Fuck, it's because we were all split into stupid little 3rd parties. I warned this months ago. Yeah, vote for one out of four. :rolleyes:

The only split was Barr/Baldwin. Nader and Mckinney aren't 100% on board. Hopefully in 2012 we will get a single third party candidate(ventura, who appeals to libertarians and the left but not so much to the right).

[Anti Federalist]

Looks like seeds of freedom need a bit longer time to grow.

The soil here has gone sour.

Time to move and seek more prosperous grounds.

[Mani]

The soil here has gone sour.

Time to move and seek more prosperous grounds.

Now that is a pretty negative perspective...:(

[RideTheDirt]

we need some miracle grow:mad:

[nobody's_hero]

Write-in votes take time to count. Georgia, for instance, make an exclusive disclaimer about its posted results regarding write-ins.

Just sayin'.

Edit:


Lots of Ron Paul supporters I know got scared of the boogy man and voted for McCain.:(

That too.

[AbolishTheGovt]

A lot of the folks who voted for Ron Paul during the primaries did so as a protest vote against McCain, Romney, and Huckabee, but weren't really libertarians or strict constitutionalists.

[Scribbler de Stebbing]

We must hang together or we will surely hang separately. It's not just matter of adding up Barr and Baldwin and write-in to see what effect we might have had; had we stuck together, our combined candidate would have taken on a life of its own, our combined efforts would have had a snowball effect, and we could have been a force.

[Kludge]

We must hang together or we will surely hang separately. It's not just matter of adding up Barr and Baldwin and write-in to see what effect we might have had; had we stuck together, our combined candidate would have taken on a life of its own, our combined efforts would have had a snowball effect, and we could have been a force.

Thanks for showing strength in a moment of weakness. :o

[Scribbler de Stebbing]

Thanks for showing strength in a moment of weakness. :o

Yeah, not very helpful tonight. Sorry. Next time, we must apply glue to our factions.

[Kludge]

Yeah, not very helpful tonight. Sorry. Next time, we must apply glue to our factions.

You provide hope at least :)

Lost it for a couple hours there.

[dr. hfn]

The 1st step is.....open the goddamn debates!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Original_Intent]

Well when you see 8% of RPF bolting from the "don't vote the lesser of two evils" that was practically a cornerstone of the RP campaign, I am sure that the less hardcore (the ones that don't live on these boards) probably ran to the big box parties in much greater numbers.

There is a silver lining I suppose. we can;t be demonized for "costing" McCain the election. McCain just failed to deliver. I have heard the GOP feels they must move even farther left, if they do that in 2010 third parties could explode.

It's win-win. Either the GOP comes back home, or they continue to move left and leave conservatives/libertarians/constitutionalists no option.

[SevenEyedJeff]

It didn't help that I voted in Oklahoma, and only McCain and Obama were on the ballot. You couldn't even write-in a candidate.

Needless to say, I left the office of president blank on my ballot. :mad:

Voted in my Senate race for the independent who got 4%.

Voted in my House race against the prick that voted for the bailout, and 2/3rds of the moronic public voted for him.

This country is over, I'm sad to say. Americans are never going to wake up, until they find themselves homeless in the country their forefathers conquered....

[v00513]

Well, I'm sure many, probably even the majority that were registered as a third party, did not go and vote today, with my self of course being one of them. No point in voting when you know what the result of the elections will be two years prior. Besides, I hang around with IQs <70 all day as it is because of my job (dentist), so I don't need to spend an additional (x) amount of minutes or hours standing around in line to drop a single ballot, which very likely won't be counted anyway, into a box. Or do we use those hack-proof electronic voting machines nowadays? :D

[ConstitutionGal]

The 1st step is.....open the goddamn debates!!!!!!!!!!!!

That'll never happen as long as the Ds and Rs control the criteria for admittance. The 'third' parties were included as long as the League of Women Voters were in charge of the debates but that ended with the Perot run that scared the proverbial socks off the Ds and Rs when they saw how many votes that someone talking some common sense could garner. They saw their power base potentially slipping away and promptly took over the debates.

There was a GREAT third-party debate in '04 that was televised from the Cornell University campus but on C-Span aired it and most folks never even knew about it. This time, only two candidates participated (Baldwin and Nadar) and it was only aired on C-Span again (not that it was anything to write home about anyway). As long as the media in this Country is controlled by a few of the NWO crowd, the masses will never get to hear any alternate views. TPTB will shut them all down just like they ignored and marginalized Dr. Paul. We've got to come up with some REALLY effective ways to by-pass the MSM and still APPEAR to be mainstream, else, the sheople will not pay attention because they've come to believe the mantra about 'wasting their votes'.

[A. Havnes]

There would have been an even greater showing if the debates were open to all the candidates.

[Knightskye]

Original post has very early results.

http://election.cbsnews.com/election2008/president.shtml

Nader: 691,029
Bob Barr: 507,389
Chuck Baldwin: 181,382

Barr and Baldwin combined total: 688,771.

But there are still absentee ballots to be counted. So the numbers will be higher in a couple weeks.