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Menthol Patch
11-03-2008, 10:30 AM
Take a look at the following information.

http://www.americasright.com/2008/11/sarah-obama-tapes.html

http://comments.obamacrimes.com/blog/_archives/2008/11/2/3959369.html

fedup100
11-03-2008, 10:38 AM
bump! Why did he wait till now though?

jvhspolodx
11-03-2008, 10:48 AM
wtf?

RickyJ
11-03-2008, 10:56 AM
His grandmother says it in Swahili. The translator then says that yes, she was present when Obama was born. Then it is denied by the grandson that he was born in Kenya repeatedly. His grandmother however says otherwise. I guess she can't be bought off. :)

constitutional
11-03-2008, 10:58 AM
I have hard time believing in "Obama was not born in U.S.".


But the fact that Obama visited his grandmother right before the election is suspicious. She is not ill and the week before election is important to candidates (they campaign in states all over U.S.).

This does not add up. It leads me to believe Obama has something to hide.

Truth Warrior
11-03-2008, 11:12 AM
Take a look at the following information.

http://www.americasright.com/2008/11/sarah-obama-tapes.html

http://comments.obamacrimes.com/blog/_archives/2008/11/2/3959369.html

So :cool:. Just < ROFLMAO! > :D

fedup100
11-03-2008, 11:13 AM
I have hard time believing in "Obama was not born in U.S.".


But the fact that Obama visited his grandmother right before the election is suspicious. She is not ill and the week before election is important to candidates (they campaign in states all over U.S.).

This does not add up. It leads me to believe Obama has something to hide.

Thank you for using common sense. It all adds up. The trip to grandma also highlights his willingness to lie at the drop of a hat. He is totally devoid of any integrity.

Aipac will love him in office for he will be very blackmailable!

lynnf
11-03-2008, 11:18 AM
it's catchin' on, I'm tellin' ya!

lynn

lynnf
11-03-2008, 11:19 AM
bump! Why did he wait till now though?



think how hard it is to get stuff done in Kenya, maybe they even had to come over here to do it. if you need an example, see what they did to Jerome Corsi
just last month (worldnetdaily).

lynn

Truth Warrior
11-03-2008, 11:20 AM
Where can I get a bumper sticker that simply says:


KENYA tell us where you were really born?

:D

itsthepathocrats
11-03-2008, 11:40 AM
nm

Pete
11-03-2008, 11:55 AM
Great post at http://comments.obamacrimes.com/blog/_archives/2008/11/2/3959369.html:



Re: Re: Re: U.S. Supreme Court Writ of Certiorari and Application for Stay of the Presidential Election
by John Sampson on Sun 02 Nov 2008 02:39 PM EST | Profile | Permanent Link

So much has been debated about whether or not Barack H. Obama II is or is not a Natural Born US citizen. The problem is that so many people are totally uninformed as to the law as it existed in 1961 as it relates to the transmission of citizenship to a child born outside the US or its Outlying Possessions (OLP).

In an effort to clear the air, to get the FACTS out so people can clearly see the issue without opining or guessing as to the legalilties, allow me to pontificate a bit. For the record, I am a recently retired Department of Homeland Security, Immigration and Customs Enforcement agent, with more than 25 years experience. Part of that experience is understanding and comprehending immigraiton and nationality law which is at the center of this issue. In short, I know a "little bit" about what I speak of.

In 1961, as opposed to TODAY, Section 301(g) of the Immigration and Nationality Act, as ammended (INA) required the following: A child being born to one alien parent (ie. Non Citizen) and one citizen parent in a marital relationship, required that the sole US citizen parent to have resided in the United States for a period of ten years, five of which must have been over the age of 14. Today's version of the law has somewhat different residency requirements for the US citizen parent. But the law, as it applied on August 4, 1961, required ten years presence, five after the age of 14.

Barack Hussein Obama I (dad), was a citzen and national of Kenya. He was not, nor had never been, a United States citizen. Ergo, he is the "alien" parent in this scenario. Stanley Ann Dunham (mom) was a US citizen by virtue of having been born in the US. At the time of Barack Hussein Obama II's birth on August 4, 1961, Ms. Dunham was 18 years old, having been born in November of 1942. As such, if Barack Hussein Obama II was born outside the US or its Outlying Possessions, on August 4, 1961, then Ms. Dunham could not transmit her citizenship to her son because she failed to have accumulated the necessary physical presence requirements that the LAW (that pesky and inconvenient thing that oftentime gets in the way of "change") demanded.

The earliese in which Ms. Dunham could have transmitted her citizenship to a child born outside the US would have been when she was 19 years of age, which was in November of 1961 and NOT in August of 1961, when Obama was born.

It's that simple. If he was born in Kenya, or anywhere else for that matter, other than the US or its OLP's, then he is not, nor can never be, eligible to hold the office of President of the United States of America inasmuch as he does not, nor never can, fullfill the requirements of Article II, Clause V of the Constitution of the United States. It's not an optional thing, regardless of whether or not someone thinks it's fair or not. It's the law, that pesky, recurring inconvenience that seems to get in the way, time and time again.

Now, the quesiton remains to be answered if he was born in Kenya or not. The State of Hawaii has weighed in and states that there is a record of Mr. Obama's birth on file in the Department of Vital Statistics. However, THAT is not enough. There are two entirely different and distinct birth documents issued by the State of Hawaii.

The first is a Certificate of Live Birth which is the traditional birth certificate we all are familiar with for children born IN Hawaii.

Then there is a different document entitled Certification of Live Birth, which is issued to children born OUTSIDE of Hawaii but whose birth is registered in Hawaii pursuant to a quaint and scarcely known Hawaiian law, Hawaii Revised Statute 338-17.8. This law allows for the registration of a birth in Hawaii for a child who was born OUTSIDE Hawaii to parents who, for the year immediately preceding the child's birth, claimed Hawaii as their principle place of residence.

Dunham and Obama Sr. both resided in Hawaii for the year immediately preceding Senator Obama's birth. Ergo sum, his birth, even if it occurred in Kenya, could legally be registered in Hawaii, and a Certification of Live Birth could have been issued, giving the uninitiated the impression that he was born in Hawaii when in fact, he was not.

It is misleading when the State of Hawaii states that they have examined Obama's birth record and it is valid. It could very well be the case. The ISSUE however, is whether or not he was born in Hawaii as he claims, or if he was born in Kenya. There is of course, a plausible scenario in which he could've been born in Kenya and yet have his birth recorded in Hawaii as having been born in Hawaii when in fact he was not. It's quite simple acutally. His mother could have lied. That's right. Ann Dunham could have given birth in Kenya, brought Obama back with her to the US and then fraudulently registered the birth in Hawaii. Is it likely? Who knows? Is it possible? As Sir Aruthur Coynan Doyle has written: Once you have eliminated what is impossibe, whatever remains, however unlikely, is possible.

In this case, anything is possible. And it's so unfortunate that all but one relative on Ms. Dunham's side of the family are deceased. His maternal grandmother, who he conveniently just visited in Hawaii, is the one living relative that could possibly shed light on this subject. A simple question aksing her if her daughter went to Kenya prior to Barack's birth would end the speculation, assuming of course, her response is truthful. And therein lies the rub. With so much fraud being perpetrated by the DailyKOS, Stop the Smears, and others, it's difficult to believe anything at this point.

And isn't it oh so convenient that Obama goes to Hawaii on October 23, 2008 and the Hawaiin Department of Health, after his visit to Hawaii, issues the statement that the document they have is legitimate. The wording of their statement leaves alot to be desired. It's a non answer to a question. Yes, the document is valid. And? Was he born in Hawaii?????? Silence.

The now infamous document posted on Stop the Smears and the DailyKOS, which has been determined to be a forgery by no fewer than three court certified Forensic Document Examiners, was a Certification of Live Birth and NOT a Certificate of Live Birth or Birth Certificate. However, in an effort to obfuscate the issue, the term "Birth Certificate" has been used interchangably with "Certification of Live Birth".

Assuming that Mr. Obama has a legitimate Certification of Live Birth, the question must be asked: "Why post a forgery?" The answer is as follows:

A. There does not exist a legitimate, authentic birth document for Obama showing birth anywhere in the US.

OR

B. He does have a legitimate Certification of Live Birth issued by the State of Hawaii. However, that document shows his place of birth as being in Mombassa, Kenya and NOT in Hawaii as the forged copy claims.

What is troubling and frustrating is that Obama can, and has had the ability to do so for quite some time, resolve this matter by simply providing a certified copy of his authentic birth document. The only reason that is reasonable for his failure to do so is that he simply doesn't have a document that shows he was born in the US. His documents all show birth in Kenya.

As to his Indonesian passport, that, in and of itself, is problematic for Obama. In order to have obtained Indonesian citizenship, which is the only way one legitimately gets an Indonesian passport, he must have renounced his US citizenship, assuming for a moment, that he was, in fact a US citizen at any time. The fact that he renounced his US citizenship in order to obtain citizenship in Indonesian also makes him ineligible to hold the office of President of the United States under Article II, Clause V of the Constitution of the United States.

Look. The facts and the law, are just that, the facts and the law. Wishing it wasn't so, being upset that the law is the way it was in 1961, wishing that people wouldn't bring that pesky inconvenient issue of the law, won't change a thing. Mr. Obama, like it or not, whether you think it's fair or not, if born outside the US, is NOT, nor never can be, eligible to hold the office of President of the United States. Period. End of discussion.

IF, in fact, he was born in Kenya, as it appears he very well was, then his continued candidacy and the acceptance of campaign funds and donations, is a fraud. Furthermore, this issue is likely to throw this country into a Constitutional crisis, the likes of which we have never seen, making the elections of 2000 and 2004 look tame by comparison. And don't you think Obama knows whether or not he was born in the US or not?

He wrote a book entitled "The Audacity of Hope". Perhaps it should have been entitled "The Audacity of Ambition".

Truth Warrior
11-03-2008, 11:57 AM
What does Berg's character and motives have anything to do with where Obama was actually born?

FYI ... http://www.americasright.com/2008/08/q-with-phillip-berg.html (http://www.americasright.com/2008/08/q-with-phillip-berg.html)

What are Obama's character and motives? :rolleyes:

Anti Federalist
11-03-2008, 12:03 PM
ROFL!

All these guys are arguing from ridiculous point of view.

You're assuming government gives a fuck about or follows the constitution in any meaningful way.

For the record, I happen to agree, I don't think he is a natural born citizen either.

Truth Warrior
11-03-2008, 12:14 PM
Damn, if the Constitution really doesn't matter, there just may be a POTUS Arnold in our future. :eek: :rolleyes:

Anti Federalist
11-03-2008, 12:17 PM
Damn, if the Constitution really doesn't matter, there just may be a POTUS Arnold in our future. :eek: :rolleyes:

A Nazi loving son of an Austrian Nazi officer?

Wouldn't surprise me in the least.:mad::rolleyes:;)

tonesforjonesbones
11-03-2008, 12:21 PM
Well he has royally pissed off the entire coal industry...what a shame if all those people voted early for his sorry arse..and now he is going to bankrupt their industry. tones

Pepsi
11-03-2008, 12:24 PM
Well he has royally pissed off the entire coal industry...what a shame if all those people voted early for his sorry arse..and now he is going to bankrupt their industry. tones

Maybe we should build coal powerd cars?

That would help save the coal industry.But the Greens would throw a fit about that I am sure.

itsthepathocrats
11-03-2008, 12:36 PM
nm

fr33domfightr
11-03-2008, 01:11 PM
It seems the telephone conversation is the most important evidence regarding Obama's birthplace. The problem is, it seems to focus on Sarah's comments, where she says she was present at the time of his birth. The translation of Barack being in Kenya didn't seem to be translated completely. Isn't it possible Sarah had been visiting the U.S. at the time of Baracks birth?


FF

Truth Warrior
11-03-2008, 01:32 PM
TW, you just answered your own question. If Berg is an establishment front-man, then his motives are, in-part, to achieve just what you have stated in you subsequent post, namely, "the Constitution really doesn't matter." Can you imagine anything more demoralizing for an American?

However, we really don't know the facts around this case....the merits of this case and/or the courts' response, as we are obtaining information from various sources that we are uncertain we can trust. Therefore, one cannot be certain of the motives of this entire story. For example:


Does the case have merit, are the facts accurate, and is the courts' rebuff frivolous? Hence, Berg is truly an independent patriot acting on Constitutional motives.
Or, is Berg an operative who knowingly is promoting a frivolous story simply to create the reaction that you, TW, articulated (ie. public demoralization)?
We don't know at this juncture. Therefore, one should be hesitant to draw any conclusions, while also understanding and maintaining all alternative story-lines and their potential motives.

P.S. I think most here have a good handle on Obama's character and motives, and that's not the issue I'm addressing.

I kinda doubt that Amerikans would be demoralized about the status of the Constitution. 95% of them don't even know enough to even care enough to even give a shit.<IMHO> ;)

Voilą, the Corporate State of Amerika, 2008. :p

Vote on! :rolleyes:

'Lysander Spooner once said that he believed "that by false interpretations, and naked usurpations, the government has been made in practice a very widely, and almost wholly, different thing from what the Constitution itself purports to authorize." At the same time, he could not exonerate the Constitution, for it "has either authorized such a government as we have had, or has been powerless to prevent it. In either case, it is unfit to exist." It is hard to argue with that.' -- Thomas E. Woods Jr

fr33domfightr
11-03-2008, 02:24 PM
Does anyone know if U.S. Senators need a security clearance?? If so, wouldn't Barack's birthplace have been discovered by the FBI/Secret Service??


FF

pacelli
11-03-2008, 03:26 PM
It leads me to believe Obama has something to hide.

http://drudgereport.com/finger.jpg

thehighwaymanq
11-03-2008, 03:32 PM
And that same grandma is reported to have past away now.

itsthepathocrats
11-03-2008, 04:09 PM
nm

dannno
11-03-2008, 04:16 PM
Maybe we should build coal powerd cars?

That would help save the coal industry.But the Greens would throw a fit about that I am sure.

What the fuck makes you think you have the right to burn a bunch of coal and pollute my air?? Property rights anyone???

pacelli
11-03-2008, 04:28 PM
And that same grandma is reported to have past away now.

If you are referring to the "same grandma" reported in the OP, then the reports you have heard are deliberately lying or distorting.


Barack Obama's grandmother Madelyn Dunham, whose death was announced today on the eve of the US presidential election, was the rock on which the Democrat built his life and his stunning political career.

Dunham, who died aged 86 in Obama's native Hawaii, had been in fragile health, suffering from osteoporosis and cancer. Her health had further deteriorated after she recently broke her hip.

Sensing her life was ebbing away, the Democratic nominee took the highly unusual step of leaving the White House trail to race to her bedside for a few hours in late October.

"It is with great sadness that we announce that our grandmother, Madelyn Dunham, has died peacefully after a battle with cancer,'' Obama said in a joint statement today with his sister Maya Soetoro-Ng.

http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/articles/2008/11/04/1225560779248.html

This is not his Kenyan grandmother.

LibertyEagle
11-03-2008, 04:48 PM
What the fuck makes you think you have the right to burn a bunch of coal and pollute my air?? Property rights anyone???

Yeah, ok. Well, turn off your lights then, because over 50% of our electricity is generated by COAL.

devil21
11-03-2008, 05:07 PM
Does anyone know if U.S. Senators need a security clearance?? If so, wouldn't Barack's birthplace have been discovered by the FBI/Secret Service??


FF

This is pretty much what keeps me from buying into this allegation about Obama's true citizenship. The guy has made his way through numerous political campaigns, been in numerous political decision circles, obviously been vetted by Secret Service/FBI/etc for access to classified information discussed during some Senate meetings, ad nausem. It's absurd to me that something as simple as his citizenship would never be formally questioned until he's about to win the Presidency. And I can't ignore that all those questioning it take digs at Obama while claiming to be "looking for the truth", so their credibility comes into question. Either its distractionary garbage or a sign of tremendous incompetence by those that have interacted with Obama over the years.

orafi
11-03-2008, 05:07 PM
Hey Obamabots,

KENYA DIG IT?!?!?!?!?!?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dw9yEuwohkk

dannno
11-03-2008, 05:16 PM
Yeah, ok. Well, turn off your lights then, because over 50% of our electricity is generated by COAL.

Maybe if the government didn't regulate our energy so much there would be some sort of competition and I could make that decision to switch to clean energy and still, you know, read my school books at night ;)

heavenlyboy34
11-03-2008, 05:24 PM
Where can I get a bumper sticker that simply says:


KENYA tell us where you were really born?

:D

Just print that out and use double sided tape to put it on the bumper and clear celophane tape on top to protect it. :D

heavenlyboy34
11-03-2008, 05:25 PM
Maybe if the government didn't regulate our energy so much there would be some sort of competition and I could make that decision to switch to clean energy and still, you know, read my school books at night ;)

start some ballot initiatives, petitions, and whatnot. That helped deregulation in AZ. :D

Reason
11-03-2008, 06:04 PM
But the fact that Obama visited his grandmother right before the election is suspicious. She is not ill

lol...

no she isn't ill at all....

http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5g3m4YaeYwDHXS6hHdZJi8pm6cZdAD947O7R00

Anti Federalist
11-03-2008, 08:51 PM
Truth Warrior wrote:


I kinda doubt that Amerikans would be demoralized about the status of the Constitution. 95% of them don't even know enough to even care enough to even give a shit.<IMHO>

Obvious Man (aka TW) FTW. :p

smithtg
11-04-2008, 10:34 AM
bump for anyone with updates

HOLLYWOOD
11-04-2008, 11:58 AM
Thank you for using common sense. It all adds up. The trip to grandma also highlights his willingness to lie at the drop of a hat. He is totally devoid of any integrity.

AIPAC will love him in office for he will be very blackmailable!

Couldn't of said it better... but Barack SELLOUT Obama is already a member of the CFR.

So, did "THEY" induce a peaceful death into O'Granny and was Barack in Hiwaii to exchange "Paper".

Like I said awhile back... I want ALL his brith certificates, Carbon 4 tested!

Let's look at it this way... does anyone have a list of all of Barack's trips to Hawaii for the past 20 years?

How about the register/log on viweing public records? Anyone take the Obama Birth Certificate out for viewing from the county/state of Hawaii?

Pepsi
11-09-2008, 06:45 PM
Kenya banking on Obama payback Odinga has high expectations for detaining Corsi
..

Kenyan Prime Minister Raila Odinga is demanding payback from President-elect Barack Obama for silencing WND staff writer and bestselling author Jerome Corsi, who investigated Obama's links to the authoritarian African official.

Odinga told Kenya's newspaper, The Nation, that he expected Obama's election to provide a windfall of U.S. trade, tourism and investment.

"What we want to see is the expansion of relationships in terms of trade and direct investments," said Odinga. "We want to see more of our products finding markets in the U.S. and expect more direct investments by the Americans in the country."

Odinga made it clear he played a small role in helping Obama win the White House – specifically by detaining Corsi and preventing him from holding a press conference in Kenya to disclose the findings of his investigation.

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=80564