FunkBuddha
09-07-2007, 12:50 PM
I just can't concede to the fact that I can't convert everyone! I guess I'll leave her alone if she'll vote for Kucinich.
12:36 PM Lee: just reading over ron paul's voting record. pretty sure i can't vote for him. sorry....
12:37 PM me: can you give me a instance? and where are you reading the record?
Lee: there are some things i like about him but...
a) didn't realize how pro-life he was b)he's given an 'A' from the NRA. fine if you believe that way, but i don't
12:38 PM hold on, there's more
me: hwhile he IS strongly pro-life he thinks it should be left to the states per the Constitution.
12:40 PM Lee: i think that's one issue that should not be fooled with anymore because it is the way it should be. i think it should stay legal across the country. period.
me: Strongly 2nd amendment.... look up what has happened in the majority of countries once guns are removed from private citizens... like uganda, germany, guatemala, etc...
Lee: and he voted 'no' on the amber alert? wth?
me: he's 2nd amendment so that people can defend themselves form a tyrannical government.
it's unconstitutional.
Lee: yeh, england has turned out real bad because of their lack of guns
12:41 PM me: yeah, they're trying to ban kitchen knives now.
Lee: i'm not saying to ban guns totally
but i do agree with some limits
me: seriously... knives over 3 inches i believe.
12:42 PM what people don't get is that those powers not explicitly granted by the constitution to the federal goverment are denied to the federal government.
and left to the states.
12:43 PM Lee: yeh, but i would prefer a middle ground
me: then there should be a constitutional amendment granting that power...
otherwise it's illegal. he took an oath to uphold the constitution and he takes that seriously. i think thats commendable.
12:44 PM Lee: AND finally, he's voting record shows low environmental support
that's another issue i have
me: and yet, his policies would do more for the environment than any one leses ideas.
Lee: i'm not saying it's not commendable, doesn't mean i have to agree with him
like what?
12:45 PM me: ending oil subsidies, appointing judges that would support an individuals private properrty.
12:46 PM ending regulations that prevent smaller businesses from competing with large corporations.
Lee: i'm not getting the apointing judges thing...
12:47 PM me: if judges supported indivuals private property rights then citizens would have more recouse against companies that pollute... as it stands now, we have little.
see, corporations love regulation, in fact they lobby for it. it prevents competition by making harder for the little guy to get entry into the market.
12:48 PM that's the reason things like health care are unaffordable.
Lee: i'm still not convinced...he also voted against a raise in minimum wage...
12:49 PM me: again, not the job of the federal government.
unconstitutional.
he's consistent...
Lee: how is raising minimun wage unconstitutional?
me: bbut he is against things that really hurt poor people like the income tax and the inflation caused by our federal reserve system./
12:50 PM regulating wages isn't in the constitution.
Lee: but it's not 'not' in the constitution either
if that makes sense
me: actually regulating anything other than interstate commerce is unconstitutional.
12:51 PM those powers not explicitly granted by the constitution to the federal goverment are denied to the federal government.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tenth_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution
Lee: if minimum wage were left up to the states, i have a feeling the poverty level of this country would rise
but i guess that's just my opinion
12:52 PM me: why is that?
Lee: because i think there are many states that would never raise it
me: i think it would be better.... competition between states competing over labor?
people would leave the state and they would lose revenue.
tax revenue.
Lee: um, yeh, okay, so people that are already poverty stricken can afford to move?
12:53 PM me: we've done it for centuries.
Lee: hell, i can hardly afford to move
great idea on paper, but i don't think it's reality
me: people have moved from one end of the country to the other.
why?
did you see the link?
12:54 PM Lee: not yet, still reading over his voting record on things
12:55 PM people have moved, but more people have stayed where they are and lived in poverty because they don't know how to get out
me: you really need to read your constitution to gain insight as to why he votes the way he does...
Lee: survival of the fittest i guess
maybe so, but there are social issues there that i don't agree with him on, therefore won't vote for him
me: i say go after the things that keep people poor like inflation and taxes.
12:56 PM then you can worry about minimum wage if its still a problem.
12:57 PM Lee: i agree with the first part...much easier said than done
12:58 PM anyhow, i see his appeal and can see why people would vote for him, he's just not the candidate for me
me: go with kucinich then, ate least he's not a crook like the rest of them (repubs and democarats)
Lee: i do like him...
1:00 PM me: we have to start voting for honest people if we want to turn this ship around.
Lee: i don't think i'm going to make my final decision between him and obama until it gets a little closer though
me: i can't believe so many people are on the obama train when he's funded by AIPAC.
http://www.stopaipac.org/
brb
8 minutes
1:09 PM me: kucinish needs money though... if you like him, send him a check.
1:14 PM Lee: i still don't know where i stand on the israel/palestine issue. i guess i lean towards the side of palestine, but really have confess not knowing enough of the details...
1:15 PM me: i think we should just stay out of it.
Lee: you're probably right
1:16 PM me: unfortunately the zionists control our politicians so that won't happen unless we run them out.
Lee: which probably won't happen in our lifetime
1:18 PM me: unless we stop voting for AIPAC candidates.
we're screwed if people think we can't change anything.
1:19 PM Lee: it looks as though obama at least has some record of standing up against them. don't know if that really means anything though
me: http://www.stopaipac.org/prescandidates.htm
5 minutes
1:25 PM Lee: alright, i've bookmarked it. have to get ready to head to athens
12:36 PM Lee: just reading over ron paul's voting record. pretty sure i can't vote for him. sorry....
12:37 PM me: can you give me a instance? and where are you reading the record?
Lee: there are some things i like about him but...
a) didn't realize how pro-life he was b)he's given an 'A' from the NRA. fine if you believe that way, but i don't
12:38 PM hold on, there's more
me: hwhile he IS strongly pro-life he thinks it should be left to the states per the Constitution.
12:40 PM Lee: i think that's one issue that should not be fooled with anymore because it is the way it should be. i think it should stay legal across the country. period.
me: Strongly 2nd amendment.... look up what has happened in the majority of countries once guns are removed from private citizens... like uganda, germany, guatemala, etc...
Lee: and he voted 'no' on the amber alert? wth?
me: he's 2nd amendment so that people can defend themselves form a tyrannical government.
it's unconstitutional.
Lee: yeh, england has turned out real bad because of their lack of guns
12:41 PM me: yeah, they're trying to ban kitchen knives now.
Lee: i'm not saying to ban guns totally
but i do agree with some limits
me: seriously... knives over 3 inches i believe.
12:42 PM what people don't get is that those powers not explicitly granted by the constitution to the federal goverment are denied to the federal government.
and left to the states.
12:43 PM Lee: yeh, but i would prefer a middle ground
me: then there should be a constitutional amendment granting that power...
otherwise it's illegal. he took an oath to uphold the constitution and he takes that seriously. i think thats commendable.
12:44 PM Lee: AND finally, he's voting record shows low environmental support
that's another issue i have
me: and yet, his policies would do more for the environment than any one leses ideas.
Lee: i'm not saying it's not commendable, doesn't mean i have to agree with him
like what?
12:45 PM me: ending oil subsidies, appointing judges that would support an individuals private properrty.
12:46 PM ending regulations that prevent smaller businesses from competing with large corporations.
Lee: i'm not getting the apointing judges thing...
12:47 PM me: if judges supported indivuals private property rights then citizens would have more recouse against companies that pollute... as it stands now, we have little.
see, corporations love regulation, in fact they lobby for it. it prevents competition by making harder for the little guy to get entry into the market.
12:48 PM that's the reason things like health care are unaffordable.
Lee: i'm still not convinced...he also voted against a raise in minimum wage...
12:49 PM me: again, not the job of the federal government.
unconstitutional.
he's consistent...
Lee: how is raising minimun wage unconstitutional?
me: bbut he is against things that really hurt poor people like the income tax and the inflation caused by our federal reserve system./
12:50 PM regulating wages isn't in the constitution.
Lee: but it's not 'not' in the constitution either
if that makes sense
me: actually regulating anything other than interstate commerce is unconstitutional.
12:51 PM those powers not explicitly granted by the constitution to the federal goverment are denied to the federal government.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tenth_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution
Lee: if minimum wage were left up to the states, i have a feeling the poverty level of this country would rise
but i guess that's just my opinion
12:52 PM me: why is that?
Lee: because i think there are many states that would never raise it
me: i think it would be better.... competition between states competing over labor?
people would leave the state and they would lose revenue.
tax revenue.
Lee: um, yeh, okay, so people that are already poverty stricken can afford to move?
12:53 PM me: we've done it for centuries.
Lee: hell, i can hardly afford to move
great idea on paper, but i don't think it's reality
me: people have moved from one end of the country to the other.
why?
did you see the link?
12:54 PM Lee: not yet, still reading over his voting record on things
12:55 PM people have moved, but more people have stayed where they are and lived in poverty because they don't know how to get out
me: you really need to read your constitution to gain insight as to why he votes the way he does...
Lee: survival of the fittest i guess
maybe so, but there are social issues there that i don't agree with him on, therefore won't vote for him
me: i say go after the things that keep people poor like inflation and taxes.
12:56 PM then you can worry about minimum wage if its still a problem.
12:57 PM Lee: i agree with the first part...much easier said than done
12:58 PM anyhow, i see his appeal and can see why people would vote for him, he's just not the candidate for me
me: go with kucinich then, ate least he's not a crook like the rest of them (repubs and democarats)
Lee: i do like him...
1:00 PM me: we have to start voting for honest people if we want to turn this ship around.
Lee: i don't think i'm going to make my final decision between him and obama until it gets a little closer though
me: i can't believe so many people are on the obama train when he's funded by AIPAC.
http://www.stopaipac.org/
brb
8 minutes
1:09 PM me: kucinish needs money though... if you like him, send him a check.
1:14 PM Lee: i still don't know where i stand on the israel/palestine issue. i guess i lean towards the side of palestine, but really have confess not knowing enough of the details...
1:15 PM me: i think we should just stay out of it.
Lee: you're probably right
1:16 PM me: unfortunately the zionists control our politicians so that won't happen unless we run them out.
Lee: which probably won't happen in our lifetime
1:18 PM me: unless we stop voting for AIPAC candidates.
we're screwed if people think we can't change anything.
1:19 PM Lee: it looks as though obama at least has some record of standing up against them. don't know if that really means anything though
me: http://www.stopaipac.org/prescandidates.htm
5 minutes
1:25 PM Lee: alright, i've bookmarked it. have to get ready to head to athens