Ron Paul and Christians

[Hurricane Bruiser]

There are a very wide range of Christians in this country and here are my thoughts on reaching them.

Bring up Ron Paul's absolute opposition to a national ID card as that ties in with Biblical prophecy in Revelation that a number are familiar with.

Bring up Ron Paul's humbleness and that he has been married for over 50 years as this gains respect.

Bring up the fact that Ron Paul believes the government should not interfere with Home Schools.

Bring up the fact that Ron Paul is pro life as the vast majority of Christians will be on his side on that one (even if it is a state issue).

Some Christian groups will not engage whatsoever in politics and their members won't vote. I think Jehovah's witnesses are that way.

I would especially target Seventh-day Adventist church parking lots (cars) as that church is very much against war in general (see operation White Coat http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Whitecoat) and is very strong on the seperation of Church and State. They generally vote mixed between Republicans and Democrats. The pastor will not assist you whatsoever in handing out literature in Church so don't bother trying.

Just my ideas.

[mdh]

The pastor can't assist you, as it would violate the 501(c)3 status which most churches have.

Please endeavour not to endanger the IRS status of our potential friends. :)

[FSP-Rebel]

The pastor can't assist you, as it would violate the 501(c)3 status which most churches have.

Please endeavour not to endanger the IRS status of our potential friends. :)
Huckabee is utilizing Pastors' endorsement and assistance, so why can't Paul.

[RP4ME]

Not that CBN represents all Christians but Gordon Robertson today said that chipping alzheimers patients is a good idea and that we will all likely have a biometric type chip to make us safer....

His fatherer has said the same and even said that a chip that tommy Thompson was referiing to is not the MArk of teh Beast etc....

Whether it would be or not - its obviusoly a slippery slope and a definte invasion of civil liberties and their old cohost a former miss america agreed that chipping Alzhemiers patients sounds like a good idea to her! And all the sheeple said AMEN! :mad:

Many well meaning Christians are being deceived by this agenda with israel etc...and preemptive wars and more wars against Islam etc.....b/c they think all of them hate us or our freedoms....or that we are a christain nation....

[Hurricane Bruiser]

Yes indeed mdh. There is nothing more disgusting to me than seeing a candidate up in some church "preaching". Most pastors will not assist (at least the ones in my church) because of both 501c3 status and a healthy regard for the seperation of church and state.

[Hurricane Bruiser]

Well Israel of the Bible refers more to God's "people" than to a specific territory which most Christians do not understand.

[Magsec]

He said in one of the earlier debates that the Iraq War violated the "Just War Theory of Christianity" which should be a hit with Christians (such as myself).

[Santana28]

LOL.... the Pastor in my church would probably have a hefty fine to pay if the government comes a calling. We've had sermons about looking for the ONE candidate who believes in the sovereignty of the United States and who follows the constitution... of course no one names names - but he's always willing to discuss things after church is done ;)

[jblosser]

You don't need to pander to Christians to get their (our) vote. Ron's statement of faith has been one of the most powerful tools for getting churches to listen to him because it does *not* pander and it talks about the Christian half of the origins of the rule of law in this country. The doctrine of Just War that Ron cites as one reason we should have a humble foreign policy comes from St. Augustine, for one example.

The biggest thing that keeps Christians from voting for someone like Ron is their confusion that if something is evil and must be stopped, government is the tool to do it. They forget that the Bible teaches that man is sinful and depraved and will not do good things. The Biblical Christian view of modern government is a minarchist one: we need a government defined as that group which is allowed to assert itself against the rights of others so we don't kill each other and can prosecute criminals after the fact, but because that government is necessarily made up of depraved men it must not be allowed to do anything that doesn't actually require that use of force, or it only becomes a target for corruption and depravity itself.

If you want to reach Christians with this notion, carry around some copies of Bastiat's _The Law_ in your bag. They are like $1 on Amazon. This is one of the first books Ron recommends to people, and it does an incredible job of explaining in terms a 4 year old can understand exactly why we need a negative view of law and not a positive one. Like most documents from the 1800s it is written with an explicit view that God is real and therefore speaks particularly well to Christians, but non-theists can skip the God parts and see the truth in the rest as well. The non-theist position hasn't come up with a good argument why man should be inherentely good vs. selfish either, after all.

[scipio337]

You don't need to pander to Christians to get their (our) vote. Ron's statement of faith has been one of the most powerful tools for getting churches to listen to him because it does *not* pander and it talks about the Christian half of the origins of the rule of law in this country. The doctrine of Just War that Ron cites as one reason we should have a humble foreign policy comes from St. Augustine, for one example.

The biggest thing that keeps Christians from voting for someone like Ron is their confusion that if something is evil and must be stopped, government is the tool to do it. They forget that the Bible teaches that man is sinful and depraved and will not do good things. The Biblical Christian view of modern government is a minarchist one: we need a government defined as that group which is allowed to assert itself against the rights of others so we don't kill each other and can prosecute criminals after the fact, but because that government is necessarily made up of depraved men it must not be allowed to do anything that doesn't actually require that use of force, or it only becomes a target for corruption and depravity itself.

If you want to reach Christians with this notion, carry around some copies of Bastiat's _The Law_ in your bag. They are like $1 on Amazon. This is one of the first books Ron recommends to people, and it does an incredible job of explaining in terms a 4 year old can understand exactly why we need a negative view of law and not a positive one. Like most documents from the 1800s it is written with an explicit view that God is real and therefore speaks particularly well to Christians, but non-theists can skip the God parts and see the truth in the rest as well. The non-theist position hasn't come up with a good argument why man should be inherentely good vs. selfish either, after all.Very well said!