The crushing defeat of McCain is what America and the Ron Paul Revolution needs!

[Cleaner44]

Here is how I see the future. Obama wins in a landslide and Democrats take complete control of Congress. This is a direct result of Neocons doing such a horrible job. They controlled Congress from 1996 to 2006 and the White House from 2000 to 2006 and what did they prove. They proved that they suck and are not interested in small government, lower taxes and more freedom. They are interest in more inflation, bigger government and less freedom for We the People.

I don't care about the whining of the Neocons, poor little victims of the big bad media conspiracy. They have brought this defeat upon themselves. All Republicans voters that accepted big government politicians and their big debt ways are also to blame. Voters need to hold their corrupt Republican politicians accountable. In this regard, Republicans voters are graded with a huge FAIL!

This election will be the statement from America to the Neocons saying “We tried it your way and you suck. You ran our debt up past $10 Trillion, robbed us of our liberties and completely disregarded our Constitution. We are done with you and have no choice but to vote for Obama and the Democrats. Now we must hope for the best and vote for CHANGE!”

Once America sees that socialism is not the answer they will have no choice but to go back to the Republicans and ask “What can you give us? Do you have a better way?”

Without McCain losing, the Republicans would continue with business as usual. With this defeat we will have our opportunity. We need McCain to be crushed. America needs McCain to be crushed. Only then will we have the opportunity to rebuild the party in Ron Paul’s image as a true Conservative Party.

As many big government Neocons move from the Republican Party to the Democrat party and others simply become disinterested, we must move in.

The Ron Paul Revolution must seize this opportunity provided by the Republican loss of 2008. We must rebuild the party. We must return the party to the roots that Ron Paul holds true to everyday.

Notice that there is no Mitt Romney Revolution or Huckabee Army anymore. The opportunity is ours. I say bring on the landslide and let it be the end of Neocons rule within the Republican party.

We will move the party forward. We will restore our Republic!

[youngbuck]

You say a lot of the right things, but you're buying into the false left/right paradigm. If you really think one is that much better than the other, you've been deceived.

Your false hopes of success are propaganda to me, FWIW.

[Cleaner44]

You say a lot of the right things, but you're buying into the false left/right paradigm. If you really think one is that much better than the other, you've been deceived.

Your false hopes of success are propaganda to me, FWIW.

I am quite sure that I have been working for liberty since before you were able to vote. If you somehow think that I see hope in Obama then you need to read a little slower.

I am a libertarian. I supprt Ron Paul because he supports me by adhering to the Constitution. Propoganda does not interest me but yes, I do still hold out hope for our Republic.

[youngbuck]

I hope that's true. If it is, then we haven't a quarrel. I hope.

[Cleaner44]

I hope that's true. If it is, then we haven't a quarrel. I hope.

See the future and how we can get the jump on everyone else. Huck and his Army will not be there but we will. Mitt's sideburns might be around but we will be larger. Guilianni will be a footnote and we will be the headline.

There is much work to be done and now is when we must start. Ron Paul probably will not run again and we can't depend on that. We need more B.J. Lawsons. More Murray Sabins. More Ron Paul Revolutionaries everywhere.

[youngbuck]

More Ron Paul Revolutionaries everywhere.

Well I'm one of them.;)

[libertarian4321]

I agree.

The Republicans need to get POUNDED on Tuesday. I mean beat to Hell. Not just in the Presidential race, but in congressional races as well.

Only when they hit rock bottom will they change their ways.

A righteous ass-kicking on Tuesday is needed to get the GOP on its way to a 12-step program that will (hopefully) save it...

[Kludge]

Only when they hit rock bottom will they change their ways.

Maybe. Either way, we're in for a shitty four (likely eight as Obama brings in New-Deal-esque programs to "help the little guy") years.

[AaronC]

I was just saying almost the exact same thing to my girlfriend a couple days ago...

"Lately the republican party in office has meant excess and waste with little to show for it. I believe obama will leave us with more to show for the overspending, but the change that will result from the party swings in the near future will lead to a rise in the libertarian party or at least independent vote."

But i do not believe it will result in a full scale libertarian party until after we really recover from the economic situations we are in. The more people are afraid of losing their jobs, the more they will support a government that will take care of them in hard times.

[AaronC]

btw, there's a bill in my state to take away my right to play poker on my computer... (nice icon)

[EndTheFed]

Here is how I see the future. Obama wins in a landslide and Democrats take complete control of Congress. This is a direct result of Neocons doing such a horrible job. They controlled Congress from 1996 to 2006 and the White House from 2000 to 2006 and what did they prove. They proved that they suck and are not interested in small government, lower taxes and more freedom. They are interest in more inflation, bigger government and less freedom for We the People.

I don't care about the whining of the Neocons, poor little victims of the big bad media conspiracy. They have brought this defeat upon themselves. All Republicans voters that accepted big government politicians and their big debt ways are also to blame. Voters need to hold their corrupt Republican politicians accountable. In this regard, Republicans voters are graded with a huge FAIL!

This election will be the statement from America to the Neocons saying “We tried it your way and you suck. You ran our debt up past $10 Trillion, robbed us of our liberties and completely disregarded our Constitution. We are done with you and have no choice but to vote for Obama and the Democrats. Now we must hope for the best and vote for CHANGE!”

Once America sees that socialism is not the answer they will have no choice but to go back to the Republicans and ask “What can you give us? Do you have a better way?”

Without McCain losing, the Republicans would continue with business as usual. With this defeat we will have our opportunity. We need McCain to be crushed. America needs McCain to be crushed. Only then will we have the opportunity to rebuild the party in Ron Paul’s image as a true Conservative Party.

As many big government Neocons move from the Republican Party to the Democrat party and others simply become disinterested, we must move in.

The Ron Paul Revolution must seize this opportunity provided by the Republican loss of 2008. We must rebuild the party. We must return the party to the roots that Ron Paul holds true to everyday.

Notice that there is no Mitt Romney Revolution or Huckabee Army anymore. The opportunity is ours. I say bring on the landslide and let it be the end of Neocons rule within the Republican party.

We will move the party forward. We will restore our Republic!

Bullshit Post...

[Cleaner44]

Bullshit Post...

Poor Neocon voter...

You and others like you suck for always endorsing McCain, Bush and other Republicans like them, regardless of their policies. Now you are on your ass and I am glad. If you consider yourself a conservative then why support Neocons?

Face it, the idea of voting Republican without demanding that act like conservatives is stupid at best. This is a short term thought process and the reason we are in this mess.

EndTheFed, you should go to the Hannity forums where you can pretend to be an All American with other Neocons. We here are interested in restoring our Republic. Please take Tones with you.

Fuckin' Neocons are bullshit!
http://tim.movementarian.com/archives/penn-and-teller-bullshit.jpg

[werdd]

Poor Neocon voter...

You and others like you suck for always endorsing McCain, Bush and other Republicans like them, regardless of their policies. Now you are on your ass and I am glad. If you consider yourself a conservative then why support Neocons?

Face it, the idea of voting Republican without demanding that act like conservatives is stupid at best. This is a short term thought process and the reason we are in this mess.

EndTheFed, you should go to the Hannity forums where you can pretend to be an All American with other Neocons. We here are interested in restoring our Republic. Please take Tones with you.

Fuckin' Neocons are bullshit!
Neocon voter, or socialist voter. Both seem like shitty choices to me.

[Cleaner44]

Maybe. Either way, we're in for a shitty four (likely eight as Obama brings in New-Deal-esque programs to "help the little guy") years.

No maybe about it. If Neocons keep getting elected their policies won't change. If you want smaller govt and lower spending then Neocons are not the answer. The party will not change until completely rejected by the voters. Watch it happen on Tuesday.

Just back away from the big govt, big debt, big spending party that calls themselves Republican.

[FindLiberty]

Agree with most of the OP. But IMO, the system will have to crash right into the ground all on its own. Yes, the fascist GOP is toast. And after 8 years of socialist Demoncats, America will be a broken shell if the financial decline, wars and police state continue on their upward slope.

My hope is enough people will realize the Dem/Rep/Media/Gov/Military/Corporations/Banks/Schools/NWO Elite are all of ONE mindset and it's these "self-appointed masters" who brought about the fall of America by their systematic destruction of Liberty and transfer of power to government.

This "faith in the state" will lead to the collapse of the entire economy and our resulting enslavement unless there is widespread epiphany. Faith in individual Liberty and small government needs to be restored at some point in the future. The existing un-elected statist machine is way to large and powerful to be swayed by even an election sweep. Even if a massive angry mob pushes an entire city right into the sea, the NWO elite will put a military end to it.

The Empire will just have to collapse all on its own, just like they have always done throughout recorded history. I do not believe it will spontaneously “change its course”.

We will see. Unfortunately, we are going to see a big Democratic win next week. I hope we also see a huge surge in 3rd party votes.

[Cleaner44]

btw, there's a bill in my state to take away my right to play poker on my computer... (nice icon)

Thank you sir. I should always have a right to play poker with my money, I earned and it is mine. I do not need the govt to hold my hand and protect me.

[Cleaner44]

Neocon voter, or socialist voter. Both seem like shitty choices to me.

Both are stupid and it is up to us to show leadership. I have no plans to fix the Democrat party. I don't know that they have roots to get back to. They are what they are, Socialists.

[Cleaner44]

Agree with most of the OP. But IMO, the system will have to crash right into the ground all on its own. Yes, the fascist GOP is toast. And after 8 years of socialist Demoncats, America will be a broken shell if the financial decline, wars and police state continue on their upward slope.

My hope is enough people will realize the Dem/Rep/Media/Gov/Military/Corporations/Banks/Schools/NWO Elite are all of ONE mindset and it's these "self-appointed masters" who brought about the fall of America by their systematic destruction of Liberty and transfer of power to government.

This "faith in the state" will lead to the collapse of the entire economy and our resulting enslavement unless there is widespread epiphany. Faith in individual Liberty and small government needs to be restored at some point in the future. The existing un-elected statist machine is way to large and powerful to be swayed by even an election sweep. Even if a massive angry mob pushes an entire city right into the sea, the NWO elite will put a military end to it.

The Empire will just have to collapse all on its own, just like they have always done throughout recorded history. I do not believe it will spontaneously “change its course”.

We will see. Unfortunately, we are going to see a big Democratic win next week. I hope we also see a huge surge in 3rd party votes.

The system is crashing around us now thanks to Washington Party (Republican/Democrat). Ron Paul has laid out a plan to get our Republic back on track and it is up to us to implement it.

[Cleaner44]

I was just saying almost the exact same thing to my girlfriend a couple days ago...

"Lately the republican party in office has meant excess and waste with little to show for it. I believe obama will leave us with more to show for the overspending, but the change that will result from the party swings in the near future will lead to a rise in the libertarian party or at least independent vote."

But i do not believe it will result in a full scale libertarian party until after we really recover from the economic situations we are in. The more people are afraid of losing their jobs, the more they will support a government that will take care of them in hard times.

The people are turning to Socialism and they will find that it does not work. It will take time for this realization to occur. In the meantime we must rebuild the GOP in Ron Paul's image. Return the GOP to its roots and restore the Republic.

[jonhowe]

I agree with the OP 100%

For the next 4 years though... *shudder*

[dannno]

Bullshit Post...

When will you get it through your thick skull that after McCain is elected and our country goes into the depths of sorrow, the majority of people of this country will CONTINUE to want socialist leadership like Obama? Do you think that will magically change some how?? Pure ignorance. If everybody in our country voted, McCain would lose tomorrow ~70% - 30%. The only reason it's close is because more Republicans vote than Democrats.

We don't have an option for small government. You are voting for big government and more wars. It will last a lot longer if McCain is elected because the people always have socialism to fall back on. Not only that, you are supporting tyranny. You are a fool. You must not see it because you are surrounded by ignorant conservatives who still think the Republican Party represents small government. All they represent is big government and deficit spending to fuel our military empire. Until you wake the fuck up and stop supporting a bunch of bullshit, all you're going to get is more bullshit.

[heavenlyboy34]

Maybe. Either way, we're in for a shitty four (likely eight as Obama brings in New-Deal-esque programs to "help the little guy") years.

I would argue that since presidents' policies and "achievements" long outlive them (i.e. FDR, Nixon, Wilson, etc.) we're in for far more than 8 years of misery and impoverishment. :eek::(

[Mach]

I agree.

The Republicans need to get POUNDED on Tuesday. I mean beat to Hell. Not just in the Presidential race, but in congressional races as well.

Only when they hit rock bottom will they change their ways.

A righteous ass-kicking on Tuesday is needed to get the GOP on its way to a 12-step program that will (hopefully) save it...

Common sense will not prevail, one thing they've taught me is, when whatever it is they're doing doesn't work..... they go ahead and push it even further than before.

Correction is not a word in their vocabulary.

Oh, wait a second, they know exactly what they're doing.

[Cleaner44]

I agree with the OP 100%

For the next 4 years though... *shudder*

Thank you sir. We will have to do our best for these next 4 years. It is going to suck no matter what so we should be preparing to pick up the pieces.

[Pete]

When will you get it through your thick skull that after McCain is elected and our country goes into the depths of sorrow, the majority of people of this country will CONTINUE to want socialist leadership like Obama? Do you think that will magically change some how?? Pure ignorance. If everybody in our country voted, McCain would lose tomorrow ~70% - 30%. The only reason it's close is because more Republicans vote than Democrats.

We don't have an option for small government. You are voting for big government and more wars. It will last a lot longer if McCain is elected because the people always have socialism to fall back on. Not only that, you are supporting tyranny. You are a fool. You must not see it because you are surrounded by ignorant conservatives who still think the Republican Party represents small government. All they represent is big government and deficit spending to fuel our military empire. Until you wake the fuck up and stop supporting a bunch of bullshit, all you're going to get is more bullshit.

+1

Give the frogs what they are pining for. Maybe if the water temperature goes up 20 degrees all at once, they'll notice that they're being boiled to death!

[Cleaner44]

When will you get it through your thick skull that after McCain is elected and our country goes into the depths of sorrow, the majority of people of this country will CONTINUE to want socialist leadership like Obama? Do you think that will magically change some how?? Pure ignorance. If everybody in our country voted, McCain would lose tomorrow ~70% - 30%. The only reason it's close is because more Republicans vote than Democrats.

We don't have an option for small government. You are voting for big government and more wars. It will last a lot longer if McCain is elected because the people always have socialism to fall back on. Not only that, you are supporting tyranny. You are a fool. You must not see it because you are surrounded by ignorant conservatives who still think the Republican Party represents small government. All they represent is big government and deficit spending to fuel our military empire. Until you wake the fuck up and stop supporting a bunch of bullshit, all you're going to get is more bullshit.

This is the truth.

The bizarre thing is Republicans voters that somehow still think Neocons are more fiscally responsible than Democrats. Have they not seen our national debt? Have they not heard a word that Ron Paul has said?

Everyone here should be fully aware that both parties as is are a complete waste and there is no more sense in voting for McCain than voting for Obama.

The choice is simple:
Freedom or Republicrat

[The_Orlonater]

I for one, toast to the upcoming humiliating defeat of the so called "Republican!"

Oh, for the next 2 terms, though. :(