Bob Barr DEBATES - Chuck Baldwin and Ralph Nader TODAY LIVE! LINK HERE

[Hamer]

(Thursday October 30, 2008, 4:00 to 5:30 EST) in a Third Party debate at the City Club of Cleveland. Libertarian candidate Bob Barr and Constitution Party candidate Chuck Baldwin and Ralph Nader will participate in the debate. The three other electorally viable Presidential candidates have been invited.

You can get the LIVE debate at www.rtrradio.com and www.revolutionbroadcasting.com audio feed is fixed now sorry for the delay!

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Don't forget about our LIVE VP debate by www.freeandequal.org and www.rtrradio.com and www.theywillbeheard.com with Wayne Allyn Root - Darrell Castle and Matt Gonzalez Sunday NOV 2nd from Las Vegas NV and the debate can be found at the same web links!

[MRoCkEd]

cspan or no?

[Hamer]

cspan or no?

Cspan will only be recording it only and who knows what they are doing with it after that. We will bring it to you live.

[ChrisInMN]

Cspan will only be recording it only and who knows what they are doing with it after that. We will bring it to you live.


Maybe they'll sell it to the black market.. or put it on eBay for a thousand dollars so only the real dedicated can watch it. If c-span is gonna be there taping it, my guess is it's because they're going to put it on television.

ChrisInMN

[Aratus]

noonish coffee cup rings & thoughts ....b...u...m...p

[s35wf]

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im still torn between baldwin and/or nader. maybe tonite will be the deciding factor.

[Xenophage]

Barr is a douchebag but I think he'll win this debate. It'll be interesting to watch.

[Hamer]

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im still torn between baldwin and/or nader. maybe tonite will be the deciding factor.

You need to make up your mind pretty quick here. Hopefully this does help you though.

[JosephTheLibertarian]

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im still torn between baldwin and/or nader. maybe tonite will be the deciding factor.

a socialist and a theocrat

decisions decisions

[BenIsForRon]

Why isn't McKinney in this thing?

[Hamer]

Why isn't McKinney in this thing?

she declined to debate and her VP Rosa declined to be in the VP deabte this Sunday!

[emazur]

It's getting close to start, an email I got from the Barr campaign says:
http://cp20.com/Tracking/t.c?1oHx-2RXc-7GetU6
Click at 4:00 to secure your place in the live stream. The debate will start at approximately 4:30 and should end by 5:30.

[heavenlyboy34]

It's getting close to start, an email I got from the Barr campaign says:
http://cp20.com/Tracking/t.c?1oHx-2RXc-7GetU6
Click at 4:00 to secure your place in the live stream. The debate will start at approximately 4:30 and should end by 5:30.

In what time zone?

[pacelli]

In what time zone?

Cleveland is on Eastern time.

[torchbearer]

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[Todd]

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im still torn between baldwin and/or nader. maybe tonite will be the deciding factor.

Baldwin is about as close as you will come to something akin to Paul...and I think he most stands by the liberty principles.

Nader is a principled guy...but ultimately he has socialist tendancies. At least he's honest and you know where he stands.

[torchbearer]

anyone have a frozen video?

[Brassmouth]

anyone have a frozen video?

Yup.

[nobody's_hero]

Video is very choppy on my end. Probably because of the hundreds of millions of people watching this online.

Well, anyone who is not a sheep, I mean.

AUDIO-ONLY STREAMS HERE: http://www.wcpn.org/index.php/WCPN/streaming/

(Windows Media)

[heavenlyboy34]

the video stream is choppy as hell. :( Will anyone be posting this on youtube?:confused:

[torchbearer]

Video is very choppy on my end. Probably because of the hundreds of millions of people watching this online.

Well, anyone who is not a sheep, I mean.

If only we could have a televised debate on prime time TV with all candidates on enough states to technically win, our election results would be a lot different.

[Brassmouth]

Yea the idiots underestimated the viewership. Servers are probably going berserk. Oh well, I guess I'll catch it on YouTube....

[pacelli]

Is revolution broadcasting actually at the event with a live feed or are they pulling it off of the choppy City Club feed? I'm trying to listen to both, but both seem to be dead.

I'll wait until it comes on C-SPAN this weekend.

[torchbearer]

Yea the idiots underestimated the viewership. Servers are probably going berserk. Oh well, I guess I'll catch it on YouTube....

This happens everytime.
They should plan for at least 5000 people.
What is the stream 128K? 64K?

[nobody's_hero]

Not trying to spam this, but if you want to hear the audio coverage:

http://www.wcpn.org/index.php/WCPN/streaming/

[pacelli]

Not trying to spam this, but if you want to hear the audio coverage:

http://www.wcpn.org/index.php/WCPN/streaming/

Thank you! Best link posted. Keep spamming it.

[mrwiizrd]

Not trying to spam this, but if you want to hear the audio coverage:

http://www.wcpn.org/index.php/WCPN/streaming/


brilliant! thanks for the link:D

[Brassmouth]

Not trying to spam this, but if you want to hear the audio coverage:

http://www.wcpn.org/index.php/WCPN/streaming/

Thanks.

[heavenlyboy34]

Not trying to spam this, but if you want to hear the audio coverage:

http://www.wcpn.org/index.php/WCPN/streaming/

kick ass! Thanx! :D

[TruthAtLast]

I know there are differences between these candidates but all three of the candidates look more like the same person.

They don't talk about their differences between each other, they only talk about the differences between the three of them vs the Republicans and Democrats.

If I was a listener, seeing this for the first time, even if I agreed with what they were saying I wouldn't know who to vote for because they are all saying basically the same thing.

[mrwiizrd]

I know there are differences between these candidates but all three of the candidates look more like the same person.

They don't talk about their differences between each other, they only talk about the differences between the three of them vs the Republicans and Democrats.

If I was a listener, seeing this for the first time, even if I agreed with what they were saying I wouldn't know who to vote for because they are all saying basically the same thing.


I was just getting ready to post the exact same thing. It really makes it clear that all we need is one of these guys in one of the real debates.

[Goldwater64]

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im still torn between baldwin and/or nader. maybe tonite will be the deciding factor.


Ok...one believes abortion is murder. The other supports tax payer funded abortions.

One wants to eliminate most, if not all, of the income tax. The other wants tax the wealthiest 10 percent at rate of like 95 percent.

Do you have split personalities or you making your decision on "how honest they sound" or some BS like that.

[rockandrollsouls]

all of these streams are awful ugh

[mrwiizrd]

all of these streams are awful ugh

the radio feed is perfect

[nobody's_hero]

Okay, who put the tags on this thread? lol

[TruthAtLast]

Ahh a question was just asked about whether they would consider joining forces. :D

[rockandrollsouls]

the radio feed is perfect

Restore the Republic's feed? mine keeps cutting out :(

[mrwiizrd]

Not trying to spam this, but if you want to hear the audio coverage:

http://www.wcpn.org/index.php/WCPN/streaming/

try this one rocknroll

[me3]

God, these guys are all idiots.

Barr is a dick, Nader is Nader and Baldwin is just ugh...

[rockandrollsouls]

try this one rocknroll

perfect. Thank ya.

[me3]

Ahh a question was just asked about whether they would consider joining forces. :D
The guy who asked that was an idiot. Probably one of the morons in this forum who are still insisting RP should run 3rd party, even today.

Why not ask a substantive question of one of these guys? Challenge them on their positions. Challenge them on their records.

LAME.

[literatim]

Someone YouTube it yet?

[TruthAtLast]

The guy who asked that was an idiot. Probably one of the morons in this forum who are still insisting RP should run 3rd party, even today.

Why not ask a substantive question of one of these guys? Challenge them on their positions. Challenge them on their records.

LAME.

Actually I think it was a good question. Not because I think Ron Paul should necessarily run as a 3rd party but to see their response.

Are these third party candidates so used to losing that they would rather continue this charade of getting 1-5% of the vote every 4 years while making absolutely NO progress whatsoever and changing ANYTHING? I listen to all three of them agree with about 90% of what each other says yet STILL profess that "they" are the best candidate.

It is already hard enough to fight the two major political powers when they control the debate commission but that question right there showed me exactly why they will NEVER challenge the major two parties. These third parties have their own egos and agendas just like the Republicans and Democrats. They seem generally content with losing and have really NO interest in any real change. They'd rather just sit up there and give the dog & pony show in their 15 minutes in the spotlight while spouting the "message" to people that probably already know it (and in some cases know more than they do).

It isn't unlike the various types of personalities in these forums. We all strive for Liberty. We all want Freedom. But it seems that everyone has a different theory about how to achieve it and rather than uniting around that which we share in common, we constantly fight about the things we disagree with.

That question told me exactly what I needed to know.

[s35wf]

a socialist and a theocrat

decisions decisions


yeah u know ur right. i dont 100% back either of these guys. damn dr. paul, just when i thought id actually be able to really support someone in our whitehouse, where are you??? this sucks. :mad: maybe i wont even bother to vote at all.

I missed this event today, i forgot is wasnt on at night. anyways.

baldwin has way too much religion, and i do believe in seperation of church & state.
nader, from what i remember was gonna give us the carbon tax and in some ways is way to socialist/spread the wealth.

Vote for NObody! :(

[Brassmouth]

Any recording/video/YouTube?

[Knightskye]

cspan or no?

C-SPAN will broadcast it this weekend.


If you miss it this afternoon, C-Span will be running it over the weekend.

That was from an e-mail I got from the Nader campaign.

And this press release says Barr and Nader confirmed:
http://www.votenader.org/media/2008/10/30/debate/

No idea if Baldwin was there. He hasn't sent out a press release in over a month (http://baldwin08.com/Press-Releases.cfm).

EDIT: Okay, there was a Campaign Update that said all three were there:
http://campaign.blog.bobbarr2008.com/2008/10/30/the-debate/

[intelliot]

Please record it from CSPAN and put it online. I don't have a TV.

I'll pay you for it. ;)

[scandinaviany3]

she declined to debate and her VP Rosa declined to be in the VP deabte this Sunday!



Looks like the forum in cleveland was well done with the three parties participation and word is that cynthia was across the US and asked to see if they could bring her in by video link but wasnt possible.

Real bummer that free and equals christina tobin burned so many bridges and lost rosa, hopefully she doesnt loose root as well.

Not too smart to advertise people to be at events when they havent said they can be there.

Hopefully darrell and gonzalez have a good debate in vegas.

Nevada really needs other options for sure.

[Knightskye]

Looks like the forum in cleveland was well done with the three parties participation and word is that cynthia was across the US and asked to see if they could bring her in by video link but wasnt possible.

Real bummer that free and equals christina tobin burned so many bridges and lost rosa, hopefully she doesnt loose root as well.

Not too smart to advertise people to be at events when they havent said they can be there.

Hopefully darrell and gonzalez have a good debate in vegas.

Nevada really needs other options for sure.

There's a VP debate too? Cool.

Root's always in Vegas. Hah. He should be a firecracker.

[s35wf]

Please record it from CSPAN and put it online. I don't have a TV.

I'll pay you for it. ;)

Ditto, someone please youtube; i have a tv (with NO cable), but im working for the weekend PLEASE YOUTUBE

[Minlawc]

Got it!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nh2iyPmucFk

[dr. hfn]

on tv?

[Brassmouth]

Got it!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nh2iyPmucFk

Lmao! At least it wasn't a Rick Roll. :D

[intelliot]

Got it!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nh2iyPmucFk

Others who haven't clicked yet: Don't waste your time. That video is NOT it.

[intelliot]

Third Party Debate in Cleveland - October 31, 2008 - Part 1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sVM1OFv-6AY)

Third Party Debate in Cleveland - October 31, 2008 - Part 2 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uVjLnQXPyCI)

Third Party Debate in Cleveland - October 31, 2008 - Part 3 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G6gXWO2issE)

Third Party Debate in Cleveland - October 31, 2008 - Part 4 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KDiSjVfeOL8)

I was only able to convert the first half (posted above) because the trial program I found for converting .rm files (Real Media) only does 1/2 for free.

[Knightskye]

Ditto, someone please youtube; i have a tv (with NO cable), but im working for the weekend PLEASE YOUTUBE

Bob Barr has the whole thing in one video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gHxcGan9ekQ&feature=related

[scandinaviany3]

Actually I think it was a good question. Not because I think Ron Paul should necessarily run as a 3rd party but to see their response.

Are these third party candidates so used to losing that they would rather continue this charade of getting 1-5% of the vote every 4 years while making absolutely NO progress whatsoever and changing ANYTHING? I listen to all three of them agree with about 90% of what each other says yet STILL profess that "they" are the best candidate.

It is already hard enough to fight the two major political powers when they control the debate commission but that question right there showed me exactly why they will NEVER challenge the major two parties. These third parties have their own egos and agendas just like the Republicans and Democrats. They seem generally content with losing and have really NO interest in any real change. They'd rather just sit up there and give the dog & pony show in their 15 minutes in the spotlight while spouting the "message" to people that probably already know it (and in some cases know more than they do).

It isn't unlike the various types of personalities in these forums. We all strive for Liberty. We all want Freedom. But it seems that everyone has a different theory about how to achieve it and rather than uniting around that which we share in common, we constantly fight about the things we disagree with.

That question told me exactly what I needed to know.

The truth is fusion candidacy should be happening for the mirror image of the democrats and the mirror image side of the republicans.

Barr/Baldwin are somewhat close so are nader/mckinney.

Barr/Baldwin will go on for a while, but nader is nearly done given his age he doesnt have any choice but to hand off the mantle. Whether it be mckinney or ventura, or a combined ticket of those two together we only need two more choices besides the democrats and republicans for fusion tickets.

They should in the future think that way. Their social party stances can not be brought together as saw when attempted in the past with the reform party it does not last to bring together buchanan's and ventura's like tickets.