Who are You voting for and why? *Official Thread*

[CavortingChicken]

I need to hear some opinions here because I have no idea what to do for next tuesday. I do plan on voting for all new representatives but as far as president I don't know if I should even cast a vote.

Can anyone give a simple outline of my options besides McObama? Like all 3rd party candidate and basic policies. Thanks.

[Jeremy]

I'm writing in Chuck Baldwin because Bob Barr got screwed off the ballot in my state and I'd have to vote Nader or write in... I'm writing in, which will be counted. No way I'd vote Nader unless he was the only option other than McBama.

[Dianne]

And I voted for Barr in early voting; as Baldwin was not on the North Carolina ballot. NC will throw away your presidential vote if you vote for someone not qualified to run in your state. I would have voted for Baldwin if I had the chance.

I will never pull the lever for McBama. Although I'm not that crazy about Barr, I voted against the two CFR dudes. I am a registered republican, but feel this is the only voice I have left to tell the republican party to stop giving me these crap for president choices.

[jt8025]

Voting for Bob Barr. He is the only 3rd Party Candidate on the Ballot in GA.

From what I have read, GA has one of the largest ballot access hurdles. I think they have to collect a number equal to 5% of the number of voters that voted in the previous election. Which I believe made them collect 80,000 signatures. Filing Fees are $4000+ and each signature page can only hold 15 signatures and each page has to be notorized which from what I've been told can be around $10 per page.

Chuck Baldwin is eligible for a write-in in GA but would they show write-in votes in the media? I want America to SEE my two party opposition vote.

[Sheepdog11]

I'm voting Baldwin.

I don't like how he's running ON the idea of being a carbon copy of Ron Paul... but as it stands those are the ideas I believe in most.

Nader is NOT an option for me... universal healthcare is a leap in the wrong direction in my opinion.

I want to like Barr... he seems at first glance to be the strongest of the three, but his actions towards Ron Paul and the 3rd party rally cause me to believe he's not very interested in the libertarian ideology in the first place.

[Richie]

I'm voting for Chuck Baldwin. I was actually an early supporter of Bob Barr, even to the point of registering bobbarr2008.com (I was the original owner) and hosting a petition asking him to seek the Libertarian nomination for President. I donated the domain name to his campaign when he announced (this is something I do not regret). What drew me to Chuck Baldwin is his honesty. Even though I only agree with about 60% of what he says, I KNOW for SURE what he believes.

[Penners]

I will be casting my vote for McCain/Palin. While I dislike McCain, I believe that he is MUCH LESS DANGEROUS than Obama/Biden. I believe that Barack Obama would continue the growth of the government "Nanny State". Obama is not only a socialist, but borders on Marxism. From a fiscal standpoint I am a conservative republican, although I do disagree with several R social policies. This election is so important, and while I'd love to take a Sharpie in the booth and write Ron Paul on the screen, I feel it is my duty to try and help salvage what's left of our country. If McCain loses this election... we will see reinstatement of the fairness doctrine, internet censorship, taxes through the roof, increased welfare and who knows what other loss of freedom. Sure McCain stinks... I love Palin. Don't agree with her on every issue... didn't agree with Dr. Paul on ever issue. Long answer but my vote goes to stopping the country from going so far down the wrong path that a civil war would be the only way to attempt to regain our freedoms.

[Roxi]

baldwin

if baldwin werent there id prob vote nader, but bob barr is a tool, and we all know about mclame and obomba....

[parke]

Im voting for Baldwin because Paul endorsed him. No other reason at all.

I want Obama to win because I dont want to battle an encumbent republican in four years... That way the GOP will be in shambles and we will have a party to rebuild.

[nf7mate]

I just voted Chuck Baldwin, who was a write in candidate in my state (Texas). Chuck Baldwin is the closest thing to Ron Paul running.

[Kotin]

I'm voting bob barr to get the LP ballot access in 2012..

[mrchubbs]

Here is an excerpt from my own endorsement (http://libertymaven.com/2008/10/21/consider-liberty-vote-for-bob-barr/2675/) and reason for voting for Bob Barr:


Bob Barr is not perfect. No candidate is. For my money Harry Browne came pretty close back in 1996 and 2000. But this is 2008 and Barr is the best of the better candidates on liberty. He is better than McCain and Obama on civil liberties, foreign policy, and a whole host of other issues. He is better than Chuck Baldwin because he is not a protectionist on trade. He is better than Ralph Nader because he is not anti-business.

That which makes Bob Barr imperfect for some makes him perfect for others. The fact is that Barr has an anti-libertarian voting record and that eliminates him in the eyes of some. I view his voting record as a scarlet letter. He can’t hide his record, but he can repudiate it and express regret and remorse as he has done.

It is high time my fellow liberty seekers join me in saying the following to Bob Barr:

I forgive you Bob Barr. I believe in redemption. There is no better man to kill the beast than the man who has lived in the beast’s belly. I will vote for you on November 4th and support you for as long as we both fight for maximizing individual liberty and minimizing government control in the days, weeks, months, and years to come.

Also keep in mind, I vote with a 95% focus on the issues. That is why Barr's idiotic campaign and "snubbage" of Ron Paul hasn't swayed me away from him like it has for some other Paul supporters.

Enjoy.

[NCGOPer_for_Paul]

i will be casting my vote for mccain/palin. While i dislike mccain, i believe that he is much less dangerous than obama/biden. I believe that barack obama would continue the growth of the government "nanny state". Obama is not only a socialist, but borders on marxism. From a fiscal standpoint i am a conservative republican, although i do disagree with several r social policies. This election is so important, and while i'd love to take a sharpie in the booth and write ron paul on the screen, i feel it is my duty to try and help salvage what's left of our country. If mccain loses this election... We will see reinstatement of the fairness doctrine, internet censorship, taxes through the roof, increased welfare and who knows what other loss of freedom. Sure mccain stinks... I love palin. Don't agree with her on every issue... Didn't agree with dr. Paul on ever issue. Long answer but my vote goes to stopping the country from going so far down the wrong path that a civil war would be the only way to attempt to regain our freedoms.

qft

[Dorfsmith]

I'm voting for Barr because:

A. He is on the ballot in AZ.

B. I have just as many issues with Baldwin as I do with Barr so I would rather vote for barr than write Baldwin in.

C. I want to help the Libertarian party with ballot access by getting a decent amount of votes.

D. I can't bring myself to vote for Nader and McCain/Obama are not an option.

[ArrestPoliticians]

I'm voting Baldwin because he earned my vote by campaigning early and often for Dr. Paul and I trust him.

[AdamT]

Baldwin.

[Kevin_Kennedy]

I'm voting for Bob Barr because I agree with him on the issues, and because I agree with the message of the Libertarian Party.

[CzargwaR]

I live in Illinois so it's a 100% Obama state. Mccain has no chance so I'm not considering the lesser of 2 evils. In fact, Mccain is not worthy of my vote, and Obama is just plain socialist.

So I'm voting for Chuck Baldwin to show Republicans how by distancing themselves from the conservative principles they are losing people, and because I found Baldwin worthy of my vote.

[Original_Intent]

I'm voting Baldwin because he earned my vote by campaigning early and often for Dr. Paul and I trust him.

ditto

[Warrior_of_Freedom]

I will be casting my vote for McCain/Palin. While I dislike McCain, I believe that he is MUCH LESS DANGEROUS than Obama/Biden. I believe that Barack Obama would continue the growth of the government "Nanny State". Obama is not only a socialist, but borders on Marxism. From a fiscal standpoint I am a conservative republican, although I do disagree with several R social policies. This election is so important, and while I'd love to take a Sharpie in the booth and write Ron Paul on the screen, I feel it is my duty to try and help salvage what's left of our country. If McCain loses this election... we will see reinstatement of the fairness doctrine, internet censorship, taxes through the roof, increased welfare and who knows what other loss of freedom. Sure McCain stinks... I love Palin. Don't agree with her on every issue... didn't agree with Dr. Paul on ever issue. Long answer but my vote goes to stopping the country from going so far down the wrong path that a civil war would be the only way to attempt to regain our freedoms.

You're still choosing evil.

[mport1]

I voted to abolish the government because that is what we need to do.

[penguin]

I need to hear some opinions here because I have no idea what to do for next tuesday. I do plan on voting for all new representatives but as far as president I don't know if I should even cast a vote.

Can anyone give a simple outline of my options besides McObama? Like all 3rd party candidate and basic policies. Thanks.

If it wasn't for what I see people doing now I would vote Barr (limited choices) but we have Ron Paul candidates and people still active planning for the future. I will hold my nose and vote McCain only because he won't change things. Obama will put things in that will be hard to remove. I know what I'm seeing here will make a difference very soon and I think we can take the 2012 election.

[FindLiberty]

I'm reluctantly voting for Bob Barr in an attempt to get the LP ballot access in 2010 and 2012...

(I'm sure B.O. will win IL by >10% and become our next POTUS.)

Other than the hope to educate future voters on the value of Liberty and show the 100% fatal folly of government, these elections are pointless. Voters need an option to slash away government by >95%. The GOP is toast! Our country is headed for some very hard times because our Constitution has been ignored for 100+ years! I hope Obama does not make things get worse any faster (war, police state, economic collapse).

[DAFTEK]

I'm voting Baldwin because he earned my vote by campaigning early and often for Dr. Paul and I trust him.

Same here, Chuck Baldwin O8... unlike these Obama and McCain idiots on RPF who are wasting a vote for the lesser evill... Exactly what Ron Paul said not to do! Shame on them, i hope they choke after they vote for those dushabgs! :mad:

[anaconda]

Here in California Ron Paul is an officially registered write in candidate and votes for him will be counted.

Baldwin is also a write in here in CA. I was gonna go with RP's endorsement until I found out a few days ago that RP write-ins will be counted in CA.

So I get to vote for Ron Paul for President! Yahh baby!!

[DAFTEK]

You're still choosing evil.

Why don't you be fair! So is the poster under him voting Obama! :mad:

[Warrior_of_Freedom]

Why don't you be fair! So is the poster under him voting Obama! :mad:

read that one first, :P

[DAFTEK]

read that one first, :P
I did! Answer the question! Ohh wait, don't tell me! You took a whiff of the Obomba bong?? :rolleyes:

[ConstitutionGal]

Happily, five votes from our household went to Chuck Baldwin (just like we all voted for Michael Peroutka/Chuck Baldwin on the Constitution Party ticket in '04). With all the people that I'm hearing that have or are voting third-party this election cycle, I'm hoping Chuck will garner enough votes to give the Constitution Party enough of a percentage to start getting included in the next round of debates. Of course, IF he does, the Republicrats will just change the "rules" again and up the ante....:(

[jlaker]

Well, looks like I'm the first to post a vote for Nadar.

1) Barr made me mad with the press conference.
2) Baldwin just wasn't the candidate for me.
3) Cynthia I could of voted for if Nadar wasn't on the ballot.

[mellamojuana]

I've already voted Libertarian, that is, Barr and Root.

I believe that one more vote for the candidates in the largest of the third parties helps send a message that perhaps we the people are viable and awake, after all, and can influence events.

I could not vote for Baldwin and company, regardless of who in DC thinks I should. I could not get past his inconsistency about reducing the intrusion of government into our lives, except for abortion. Nader had a much more persuasive argument than Baldwin on that matter. Besides, Baldwin did not make it onto my state ballot. If he had followed the example of former president Jimmy Carter who lived his Christian beliefs without touting them. . . .

Lucky me, I had a Libertarian to vote for for the post of governor of my state, too.

No matter who "wins," we probably all lose more than we'd like.

________________
We might want to take care of our environment because, if we don't, it won't matter in the future who "won." :eek:

[Shotdown1027]

Looks like I get to be the first to say, "Im going to find Ron Paul's name on the ballot and pull the lever"

I live in Louisiana and was partially responsible for the shenanigans that got him on the ballot. =)

It'll be the 3rd time this year I've voted for Ron Paul (caucus, primary, now general).

[libertarian4321]

I'm voting bob barr to get the LP ballot access in 2012..

Bob Barr won't get enough votes in Texas to continue ballot access.

To keep ballot access, the LP has to get 5% in a statewide race (I think its 2% when there is a gubernatorial race).

Not a chance that Barr will get 5% (or even 2%).

The Libertarians will likely maintain ballot access by getting 5% in some oddball race- like railroad commissioner or Supreme Court Justice, in which only one of the major parties has a candidate.

I don't like any of the candidates- McCain/Palin are total neocon douche bags, Obama is a big government liberal, Barr is a neocon in sheeps clothing (and an ass to boot), Baldwin is only a write-in and I don't like the theocratic positions of the CP. Nader is an out and out socialist, and McKinney is, well, McKinney (she's NUTS).

I voted early today. I was going to just make a completely futile, uncounted vote for Ron Paul- but then I remembered the RPF and that EndtheFed and Tones and a couple of others were shilling for John McWar.

So I voted for Obama as an official SCREW YOU to McCain, Palin, Tones, and EndtheFed. First time I've ever voted for a Democrat at any level- and I have Tones and EndtheFed to thank for helping me make this decision :) .

Other than that, I voted mostly for Libertarians (they should maintain ballot access because there was one "unopposed" statewide election), and a few Republicans that I know are decent.

[QueenB4Liberty]

Well, looks like I'm the first to post a vote for Nadar.

1) Barr made me mad with the press conference.
2) Baldwin just wasn't the candidate for me.
3) Cynthia I could of voted for if Nadar wasn't on the ballot.

I'm the second!! for reasons 1 & 2.

boyfriend voted Mckinney though.

[Carole]

I voted early for Dr. Ron Paul so that I could sleep well at night knowing I did not vote for evil.
:D

[Warrior_of_Freedom]

I did! Answer the question! Ohh wait, don't tell me! You took a whiff of the Obomba bong?? :rolleyes:

I meant, I read that one first and responded to it, then went back to my work. Don't insult the neoconservative nazi, it will get his drones mad, and you don't want that, do you? :P

[fr33domfightr]

I'm in Cali. RP is now a "certified" write-in. I'll be writing in "Ron Paul."


FF

[Kludge]

Heads for Barr, Tails for Baldwin.


I'll tell ya' in a few days.

[RevolutionSD]

I need to hear some opinions here because I have no idea what to do for next tuesday. I do plan on voting for all new representatives but as far as president I don't know if I should even cast a vote.

Can anyone give a simple outline of my options besides McObama? Like all 3rd party candidate and basic policies. Thanks.

Not voting.

Voting is for slaves, it will never bring us more freedom.

We need to realize a voluntary society is the best system for peace and freedom. We will never achieve a peaceful society through monopolized violence.

[Expatriate]

I'm voting for Chuck Baldwin since he actually came out and campaigned for Ron Paul at the March on Washington, the Rally for the Republic, and a number of other events.

I actually like the Libertarian platform more (the CP platform is poorly written and unclear IMO lending a lot of ammo to detractors). However I'm voting for the man, not the party, and I have to say I trust Baldwin over Barr. Every speech I have heard him give seems to come from his heart.

I don't think he's the ideal candidate. But he seems to be the best one running that I can vote for.

i would vote for Ron Paul if he was registered as a write-in. But as it stands, it would not be counted if I did.

[Verad]

BJ Lawson was the primary reason I voted this year, since he's in my district. I also voted for Mike Munger (Libertarian for gov.), and Phillip Rhodes (Libertarian for lt. gov).

On the presidential side, I obviously wasn't going to vote for McBama, and though Barr was on the ballot, I chose not to vote for him. Since I figured that none of the names on the ballot would be acceptable, I chose to do a write-in and make fun of the government at the same time, so I wrote-in Mickey Mouse. I really hope that sometime, somehow, McCain sees that at least one registered republican (I haven't switched back to independent after voting for Ron Paul in the primary) wrote in Mickey Mouse.

[BenIsForRon]

McKinney here. Her ticket understands the role of local communities better than all the other campaigns.

[qh4dotcom]

I don't like what Bob Barr did to RP but I'm thinking 2012...not voting for Barr is equivalent to punishing the 2012 Libertarian Party nominee who needs my 2008 vote plus thousands of others to get automatic ballot access for the 2012 election. I don't think that it is fair that if I don't vote for Barr, the 2012 LP nominee will have to fight the courts and 2-party system to get on the 2012 ballots so I have voted for Barr.

Same argument goes to those supporting the CP....the 2012 CP nominee needs your 2008 vote for automatic ballot acccess

By the way I also wrote-in Ron Paul on the ballot...but not for President...I wrote him in for Florida State Representative District 106...I had to choose between voting for someone named Richard L. Steinberg or doing a write-in.

So now I can say I have voted for RP :)

[cheapseats]

I'm voting for Chuck Baldwin since he actually came out and campaigned for Ron Paul at the March on Washington, the Rally for the Republic, and a number of other events.

i would vote for Ron Paul if he was registered as a write-in. But as it stands, it would not be counted if I did.

Would it be fair to say that, emotionally...I say that not facetiously, politics is highly emotional...in your heart of hearts, as it were, you are voting for Ron Paul?

[Minuteman2008]

I'm voting for Baldwin. He's on the ballot in my state, along with the other lesser known candidates. I just can't stand McCain or Obama. Was it McKinney who sponsored a bill to declare border security activists like Save Our State and the Minuteman Project as domestic terrorists? I think I'll pass on voting for more Big Brother government policies. Nader and Barr are less troubling to me, but Baldwin comes the closest to being a real conservative, so it's no wonder that he's Ron Paul's pick. Also, I've been reading opinion pieces by Chuck Baldwin for a long time at Vdare and always admired his writing.

[Anti Federalist]

Penners wrote:


a civil war would be the only way to attempt to regain our freedoms.

Humph, that was the only thing you wrote that made sense.

It will come to that, in some shape or form, regardless. Better get used to the idea.

As for the OP's question: I'm Not Voting.

I'm done, after 20 plus years, of giving tacit approval through a "vote" to these scumbags and their corrupt system.

Fuck 'em all.

[Conza88]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zIOX9IQhL3M

:) Relevant to the thread :p

[Anti Federalist]

How I Plan To Vote
by L. Neil Smith

This is going to be short and uncomplicated.

I have been voting for forty years, since 1968. Each year the choices—especially for President—have gotten more and more disgusting, while there has been less and less difference between them.

This year is absolutely the worst ever. All that this glorious people's democratic system has left us with, in the end, is a maniacal old fart and a third world hoodlum who may not even be an American citizen.

A very great deal of time and effort and attention was expended, earlier this year, to denying us—those whose principal concern is individualism and freedom—with anything even remotely resembling an acceptable candidate. Congressman Ron Paul's candidacy was targeted for all kinds of dirty tricks and outright illegality, while the Old Media either ignored or laughed at the only man in the race with even a clue about what's wrong with this poor battered nation or how to fix it.

Meanwhile, the moguls of majoritarian mediocrity, terrified out of their tiny little minds that the total cockup they've made of America might finally inspire people to look to a third party, managed to run in a ringer on the LP, hanging a washed-up political toad named Bob Barr around our necks and ensuring no voter would give us the time of day.

Somebody owes Mary Ruwart a groveling apology.

It hasn't helped that Paul has since withdrawn his own candidacy and endorsed that of an organization that fraudulently calls itself the Constitution Party, although, in fact, its members clearly care far more about brutally stifling the basic right of women to control their own physiologies than they ever have or ever will about the Constitution.

That leaves libertarians with nobody to vote for, something I will never forgive and never forget for as long as I continue to live. It is difficult to express how angry I am about this. I am tired of being a political orphan in a country that was supposed to be all about liberty.

In the long run, I will have my own party back, simply by making it ideologically uninhabitable to verminous lowlives like Bob Barr and Libertarian Party national chair Bill Redpath, who regularly urinates in public on the very concept of individual freedom. In the short run, however, there is only one thing to do, and I intend to do it—and encourage everybody within the sound of my cybernetic voice to do it, too.

Cast a blank.

I have no use for those who fastidiously disdain to protect themselves or their loved ones, either with weapons or by voting defensively. I tried that path for a while, myself, and it leads directly to where we are now, a broken subject people, nearly in chains.

Cast a blank.

That's a technical term for something every professional politico detests. You never hear about it on the news, and you probably never will, but it's the best way that exists to send a message to the establishment.

Cast a blank.

Go to the polls. Vote whatever way you will on various initiatives and referenda, establishing your existence, your political presence. Vote for whatever politicians you can stomach—I won't be voting for any libertarian who supported Barr or watering down the LP platform; I'm pissed and I'm going to stay that way forever—most importantly, do not choose a candidate for President, or any other office where those of us who own our own lives have been denied anything like a choice.

Cast a blank.

After this horrible election, in whatever political atmosphere it generates, we can begin to rebuild our freedom movement in a manner, and after a form, that is intelligent, rational, consistent, and effective.

In the meantime, don't give the vermin satisfaction.

Cast a blank.

[BarryDonegan]

i voted Bob Barr for president. i want my metrics this year to go towards libertarian specific issues... bob barr will not win but he will get a good percentage which will show the interest in those views.

i voted gerard donovan, the local republican congressional candidate, for cd5 tennessee congress. he indicated on his site that he opposed the WTO, NAFTA, and other international bodies, he also did not include a section about the war at all. on his site. he opposed the bail out and promoted a repeal of the capital gains tax, and showed up to the Tennesee campaign for liberty meeting.

i supported the libertarian, daniel lewis, for US Senate.

[Trance Dance Master]

Not voting.

Voting is for slaves, it will never bring us more freedom.

We need to realize a voluntary society is the best system for peace and freedom. We will never achieve a peaceful society through monopolized violence.

Voting is voluntary. You can always decide not to vote. That's what I'm doing next week. The majority of voters don't get involved in politics outside the ballot box. Participation in voting or campaigning is entirely voluntary.

Not voting also gives a vote of no confidence. If "none of the above" was on the ballot, that's what I would check. But it's not there, so I'm not going.

I still prefer McCain to Obama, for reasons that would be obvious to anyone here who has read enough of my posts.

[PauliticsPolitics]

I'm an undecided voter.

I think Barr is a douche.
BUT
I like most of the Libertarian platform.

I like some parts of the Constitutional platform, BUT dislike some of it a lot.
I think Baldwin is ok, BUT he seems kinda weak sauce to me.

No Party, I'm cool with that.
I like about half of Nader, BUT I am also really bored with him.

I dislike most of the Green Party Platform.
BUT
I like alot about Cynthia Mckinney.

Obviously, I could care less about the other folks on the ballot!
But I'm not sure if I should go for voting on the PARTY or the CANDIDATE.

My instinct is to vote on the candidate, but since these folks won't win, perhaps supporting a party for the future is more logical.... who knows?

[Hurricane Bruiser]

Voted early for Chuck Baldwin who is on the ballot in WV. Barr is not on the ballot.

I talked with the chairman of the county GOP and he stated that at least in our county, neither party likes their candidate. He was a Huckabee guy at our state convention that we negotiated with for some delegates.

[DAFTEK]

I meant, I read that one first and responded to it, then went back to my work. Don't insult the neoconservative nazi, it will get his drones mad, and you don't want that, do you? :P


Aha, my apologies then.... :p

[Tenbatsu]

I'm an undecided voter.

I think Barr is a douche.
BUT
I like most of the Libertarian platform.

I like some parts of the Constitutional platform, BUT dislike some of it a lot.
I think Baldwin is ok, BUT he seems kinda weak sauce to me.

No Party, I'm cool with that.
I like about half of Nader, BUT I am also really bored with him.

I dislike most of the Green Party Platform.
BUT
I like alot about Cynthia Mckinney.

Obviously, I could care less about the other folks on the ballot!
But I'm not sure if I should go for voting on the PARTY or the CANDIDATE.

My instinct is to vote on the candidate, but since these folks won't win, perhaps supporting a party for the future is more logical.... who knows?

My thoughts exactly.

I wonder if it would be best to just not vote. Not voting would be a vote of no confidence in all of the candidates that are running in my opinion. Maybe one day we'll get a "none of the above" as an option for President.

[ARealConservative]

Barr best sends a message to the GOP that his third party will cause major grief if they don't reevaluate their platform and how they treat voters in this country.

Any solution is going to be based on incrementalism, and Barr represents that.

[ARealConservative]

I still prefer McCain to Obama, for reasons that would be obvious to anyone here who has read enough of my posts.

just come out and say you are a white supremacy douche bag.

[rrcamp]

Bob Barr, because he was the only third party on the ballot and Ron Paul said not to write him in.

[danielboon]

im going to vote for baldwin

[kathy88]

Will be voting Baldwin because his politics are closest to mine at this point in time.
He steadfastedly campaigned for RP. RP gave him a nod, and I will not choose the lesser of two evils again, or vote against someone again. Not that I ever did. i've voted for the LP candidate since 1988. Bar blew it for me this year being a selfish baby to further his own "agenda." His getting the LP nom was a huge mistake.

[hillertexas]

I'm going to vote for McCain because at this moment in time, I believe that the lesser of two evils is less evil.

And we did not unite enough to really "send a message" IMHO.

[Daveforliberty]

I wrote in Ron Paul even though it won't be counted in Washington. I don't care. I voted for the person I prefer to be president. I also voted for Doug Cloud for Congress over Norm "NWO" Dicks. Another liberty-loving patriot!

[worl]

I will admit I almost decieded to go the lesser of evils after obama & the powers that be refused to show his public info. It is just a game to them & after the game they will all have a big party. Palin & mechelle will go shoping in europe while mcCaine & obama are golfing. I will be voting Baldwin because I will not be swayed by the trolls here & because Ron Paul endorsed him.

[JK/SEA]

i already voted by absentee for Chuck Baldwin, because i had a gun to my head.

[eredeath]

char

[Trance Dance Master]

just come out and say you are a white supremacy douche bag.

Racial loyalist, not supremacist. Supremacist is an Orwellian term beloved by the media. Read this book to learn who the real supremacists are.

http://www.amazon.com/Jewish-Supremacism-My-Awakening-Question/dp/1892796058

[tangent4ronpaul]

Many have said that Obama and McCain are the same - they are not. Obama is MUCH worse! With Obama:

Selling out sovereignty to the UN
Massive ramp up in foreign aid and hand out programs
No more student loans or grants unless you do "community service" - remember that he considers the military "community service" - get a good war going and you can bet you will be drafted - even if you are doing Americorp or Peace Corp - you signed up to go to school, and they will "transfer" you if they need you!
Socialism/Marxism
MASSIVE gun control! - he hasn't met a gun control law he doesn't like. He openly has posted on his site bringing back the assault weapons ban would be a major goal of his administration. He wants a national ban on CCW. He's voted a couple of times for "reasonable" gun laws that would ban most calibers. The new AWB includes so many weapons that 90% of the ones you usually see at shooting ranges would be illegal.
A conversion of society to where everyone works for the state.
A full speed train wreck for the economy by trying to spend us out of the situation.

For those reasons - I MIGHT vote for McCain.

Third parties are not polling at more than 5%, so it's a wasted vote - but there are reasons to do it - mainly sending a message.

Barr - don't like the guy, but might get my vote to keep the LP on the ballot for 2112

Baldwin - I don't like people who wear religion on their sleeves and he is incredibly hypocritical about the abortion issue.

McKenny(sp?) - Socialist scum

Nader - socialist, yeah - but he's not pushing that. He's the only one currently running that realizes that the root of our problems are corporations and corporate personhood and is going after that. We need to keep his voice in the discussion and we need him around for the 2112 cycle. So I'm probably going to vote Nader, but if it looks close, Might vote McCain to keep Obama out.

Basically I'm undecided.

-t

[kahless]

If Conservatives really want to take back the country they must abandon McCain and the neocons that control the party. I really do not care who people vote for but allowing a McCain presidency now will ensure the ultimate destruction of the Republican party and what are perceived to be Conservative values in politics long term.

Here in NY my vote will not not make a difference considering the polls are overwhelming showing an Obama win. I have problems with Baldwin wanting to abolish the FDA and that we can only write him in here in NY. Therefore Barr seems to be the best choice protest vote and will help establish the Libertarians as a viable 3rd party.

Hopefully Obama will win so we can begin the process of taking back the Republican party these next few years. We needed a Jimmy Carter in order to get a Ronald Reagan.

[CUnknown]

Please, guys, don't vote for a neo-con. Don't vote for McCain.

With McCain you will get endless war, not even a partial withdrawal. He will bankrupt us just as fast as Obama due to this -- for every dime that McCain saves on healthcare or earmarks, he will spend on the wars.

Does Ron Paul's endorsement of Chuck Baldwin not mean anything to you people? You're telling me that, after all this time, you're not going to vote the same way as Ron Paul? Or at least for a 3rd party / write in Ron Paul vote?

tangent4ronpaul said:

Selling out sovereignty to the UN
McCain going to get us out of the UN, pronto. Riiiight...

Massive ramp up in foreign aid and hand out programs
Can't be much more massive than it already. McCain certainly supports foreign aid, too.

No more student loans or grants unless you do "community service" - remember that he considers the military "community service" - get a good war going and you can bet you will be drafted - even if you are doing Americorp or Peace Corp - you signed up to go to school, and they will "transfer" you if they need you!
This is completely bogus.

Socialism/Marxism
McCain is also a socialist, but only for the rich. Unless you are rich, how is that any better?

MASSIVE gun control![...]
Okay, finally a legit reason, if you are a one-issue voter, go ahead and vote McCain. But note that McCain himself does not own a gun and is a moderate on this issue.

A conversion of society to where everyone works for the state.
This is just silly. Alarmism. There is nothing in Obama's platform to indicate it.

A full speed train wreck for the economy by trying to spend us out of the situation. Both candidates are train wrecks for the economy.

[pacelli]

Bob Barr because he is the only third party presidential candidate on the ballot in North Carolina. Will not vote for McStain or Obombus. Cynthia McKinney & Ralph Nader are registered write-ins but I disagree with their beliefs about the role of government. Chuck Baldwin is not a registered write-in for NC, so I'd rather my worthless vote go toward boosting the libertarian showing. Otherwise I'd vote for Chuck.

I will also be voting for BJ Lawson.

[Brown Sapper]

Im going to have to pull the lever for Obama (and then cry naked in the shower Crying Game style) for two reasons.

1) As a soldier I'd rather be broke than dead. I know both of them are pro-war but I'd rather have Obama on the button than McCain.

2) I want the Republican party to lose so we can run our candidate in 2012. If McCain wins we will have to put up with him till 2016 till we can get our man in. Another point is that people will realize what it's like to live in a Socialist Nation and hopefully start to reject it by then.

[hillertexas]

im going to have to pull the lever for obama (and then cry naked in the shower crying game style)

lol :)

[frankdogg]

Many people have written many valid arguments in this thread when it comes to voting for either Baldwin or Barr or Nader or Obama or McCain. I have tossed around multiple scenarios in my mind, power plays, lesser of two evils, etc etc and I always keep coming back around to the same simple answer: Write in Ron Paul.

If it wasn't for Dr. Paul, I would still be a sheep. I would still have the same straight forward approach to everything political; government, two party systems, the federal reserve, and our role as a Nation in this world. This past year and a half has been amazing with the opportunity to be involved in the Ron Paul campaign. From the first debate that turned me on to Dr. Paul's ideas, watching him OWN every other person on stage with common sense and logical thought, to observing the grassroots spring up from every corner of this country, igniting passion that I have never seen before for any candidate in my lifetime, to the hard push to get everyone I knew to at least listen to his words, to creating a couple of commercials and joining the ranks of the YouTube explosion for Ron Paul. It has been a fulfilling experience.

It has also had it's bruises, with the constant battle with the MSM, convincing others Dr. Paul isn't just an old 'kook' that should be written off, internal battles between all the different cultures Paul brings together, and ultimately, the Republican party's snub of Paul and his ideas.

This journey as a movement, and for me as an individual has been leading up to this one moment. I know that with the electoral college and voter fraud and diebold machines and groups like ACORN etc etc etc that there is a good chance that my one vote won't count in the analytical sense. But, I have come to realize that my vote means so much MORE than that. When I write in Ron Paul's name on Tuesday, it is a summation of the blood, sweat and tears that I and so many other people have put into their beliefs. It is a vote of confidence that although the majority, because of numerous reasons, are not selecting the best candidate... on Tuesday, I am. And that is what the last year and a half has led me to. We all fought in our own ways to get here, and although this is just the beginning stages of the movement and the work that is ahead, it is the end of our Genesis chapter. So on Tuesday, I will always remember that I voted with confidence, I voted with conviction, I voted with a heart full of thankfulness and passion, I voted for Ron Paul.

[JosephTheLibertarian]

I'll be casting my vote for the Libertarian Party

[SeanEdwards]

I think I'll write in Ron Paul.

For awhile I considered voting for Obomba because I wanted to make sure McLame loses, but I'm in California which is almost assuredly going for Obombass anyway, so my vote doesn't matter in terms of beating McLame.

I was leaning towards Nader, because even though he is a damned commie, I kind of like his style. He at least gets it mostly right on civil liberties and opposing empire. But with Paul an official write-in candidate in California I figure I may as well go all in. At least I'll be able to hold my head high when leaving the polling place.

[Aratus]

humm... in 2012 i might go to SARAH PALIN if Ron Paul only runs in his House Texas district!

[JosephTheLibertarian]

humm... in 2012 i might go to SARAH PALIN if Ron Paul only runs in his House Texas district!

Sarah Palin might have my "who I want to fuck" vote. but not my potus vote

[Elwar]

I have an absentee ballot and I'll be writing in Ron Paul even though it clearly states on the ballot the choices I have for write ins and Ron Paul is not one of them.

I recently moved to Florida and though my vote goes to Texas I put a Ron Paul sign in my front yard with a little card board on the side saying "WRITE IN". It's right across the street from a lady who's yard is filled with McCain signs.

I probably won't vote for the Republican Congressman because he voted for the bailout and I told him that he'd lose my support. Unfortunately I can't write anyone in there so I'm undecided as to whether to vote for the Democrat or leave it blank. I'm sure the Dem would have voted for the bailout as well. And that would be my first vote for a Democrat ever.

[klamath]

As another poster stated the RP movement splintered and was going to be ineffective at sending a unified message. I proudly wrote in Ron Paul only to find out afterwards he was a certified writein candidate and my vote would count.

[tpreitzel]

I already voted for Baldwin/Castle as a voter can actually trust this team's word even if one might not like everything they represent. This pair is closest to the ideals of our founders who knew very well that liberty doesn't equal anarchy. Furthermore, Ron Paul has endorsed him.

[tangent4ronpaul]

As another poster stated the RP movement splintered and was going to be ineffective at sending a unified message. I proudly wrote in Ron Paul only to find out afterwards he was a certified writein candidate and my vote would count.

ENVY!

Out here in MD, we can't even write him in and have it not count. In 2004, to do a write in, they gave you a paper ballot. This year, the write in candidates are static and programmed into the DieBold machine. You have to click on something to even see them.

:(

-t

[anaconda]

It's just plain silly to write in Ron Paul if you are in a state where they won't count write-ins for him. No one will care. It will be like not voting. Please consider voting for a third party candidate who's vote will be counted. I happen to be in CA where RP write-ins will be officially counted. If they weren't, I would certainly vote 3rd party. We need as many anti-McBama votes as possible.

[1000-points-of-fright]

I'll probably vote for Barr. Don't really like him but I support the LP's platform more than anyone else's.

But here's a question... we all wish there was a "no confidence" or "none of the above" option. Is casting a ballot without picking a presidential ticket the same thing? Would they notice that X% of ballots were cast with a blank presidential ticket? If they did, would they even interpret it as a protest vote?

[torchbearer]

I'm voting for Ron Paul because he is the best man for the job.
I want my voice through vote to say, these are the policies we should follow.
If you vote for Obama or McCain, you are saying, these are the policies we should follow.

[libertarian4321]

just come out and say you are a white supremacy douche bag.

Isn't "white supremacist douche bag" a bit redundant?

Anyone ever notice that the drooling mouth breathers who proclaim "white supremacy" are de facto proof that whites are NOT superior?

Just look at them. Why is it that "white supremacists" generally look like they aren't even capable of obtaining a GED?

[Theocrat]

Here's why. (http://www.baldwin08.com/IssuesList.cfm)

[libertythor]

I am voting for Bob Barr because he is the lesser of 5 evils in my opinion and enough of a lesser evil to help reverse some of the damage done to our nation.

[kombayn]

I voted Ralph Nader for being a man of principle. I may not agree with him on everything, but I don't agree with Ron Paul on everything. I felt he was the best man for the job when I sent my mail-in ballot. Then a week later I find out Ron Paul was a write-in candidate in California. :( Shit.

[JosephTheLibertarian]

I'm writing in my own name because I don't care anymore.

[DAFTEK]

I'm writing in my own name because I don't care anymore.

Aren't you voting for dushbag Barr?

Do you have any friends on this forum Joe? Just asking because the track record on your posts are nothing but attacks on anyone who have different beliefs then your sick mind! Get of them drugs man, and quit listening to that Satan music... :rolleyes:

http://bp3.blogger.com/_mupm2BmIjtc/SIvVsEhyjLI/AAAAAAAACOQ/fckfqvZLSz4/s200/dumbass.jpg

[Elwar]

It's just plain silly to write in Ron Paul if you are in a state where they won't count write-ins for him. No one will care. It will be like not voting. Please consider voting for a third party candidate who's vote will be counted. I happen to be in CA where RP write-ins will be officially counted. If they weren't, I would certainly vote 3rd party. We need as many anti-McBama votes as possible.

My vote counts to me.

Unless you work every day in a long black robe your single vote will not affect the outcome of this race.

That's why activism is so important. Getting 500 voters to change their mind is much more important than how you vote on election day.

[Knightskye]

I'm voting Baldwin.

I don't like how he's running ON the idea of being a carbon copy of Ron Paul... but as it stands those are the ideas I believe in most.

Would Ron Paul "seal the border"?


his actions towards Ron Paul and the 3rd party rally cause me to believe he's not very interested in the libertarian ideology in the first place.

Nader and McKinney don't support the libertarian ideology. And Baldwin is questionable. The press conference told people to vote for any of the four candidates. That makes no sense if your goal is liberty.

[JosephTheLibertarian]

Aren't you voting for dushbag Barr?

Do you have any friends on this forum Joe? Just asking because the track record on your posts are nothing but attacks on anyone who have different beliefs then your sick mind! Get of them drugs man, and quit listening to that Satan music... :rolleyes:

http://bp3.blogger.com/_mupm2BmIjtc/SIvVsEhyjLI/AAAAAAAACOQ/fckfqvZLSz4/s200/dumbass.jpg

Weren't you oing to vote for McCain? Atleast I know how to stick things through, chump. I don't need internet friends. Get a job. Stop living off of your poor wife, you bum.

[DAFTEK]

Weren't you oing to vote for McCain? Atleast I know how to stick things through, chump. I don't need internet friends. Get a job. Stop living off of your poor wife, you bum.

You just repeated the same bullshit you did a page back! Are you that retarded???:rolleyes:

Then why are you on the INTERNET trying to make retarded Barr friends? I bet in real life you are a looser with a satanic tattoo on his arm, smelly hair since it's so long, and has the IQ of a 5 year old! :eek: LOOSER! :D

Living off my wife? Dushbag have you seen my wife? cuz i have seen that lard ass girlfriend of yours on these nets! :D

[ChaosControl]

I went with Baldwin in the end. He is the closest to my views and his overall positions are ones I can support rather than just voting for a lesser evil or whatever.

[DAFTEK]

I'm writing in my own name because I don't care anymore.

No you are not you pathetic crackpot! You are saying you will vote for Barr, but are a Barack sheep in discuzie... :rolleyes:

You never answered my question, Did yoo mama have you standing up?

[DAFTEK]

I went with Baldwin in the end. He is the closest to my views and his overall positions are ones I can support rather than just voting for a lesser evil or whatever.

Good choice ;) Only true Ron Paul supporters vote for Baldwin! I am voting today with my wife and cant wait to do it already! Chuck is the closest thing we have to Dr. Paul... :cool:

[Knightskye]

Good choice ;) Only true Ron Paul supporters vote for Baldwin! I am voting today with my wife and cant wait to do it already! Chuck is the closest thing we have to Dr. Paul... :cool:

I wouldn't have been a Ron Paul supporter if I wasn't converted.

Why alienate people who've changed their political philosophy?

[Natalie]

I am voting for Chuck Baldwin.

I would have voted for Bob Barr, if he hadn't stood up Ron Paul. What a jerk.

[JosephTheLibertarian]

I am voting for Chuck Baldwin.

I would have voted for Bob Barr, if he hadn't stood up Ron Paul. What a jerk.

In other words, you support theocracy.

ok gotcha

[socialize_me]

Im voting for Baldwin because Paul endorsed him. No other reason at all.


Baaaa??

[marm1890]

Baaaa??

Chuck, baby.....cause I'm a RON PAUL SHEEPLE. Ron told me to therefore I will do it. Ron Paul is the most informed member of congress, he knows his stuff, so I trust his endorsement of Chuck Baldwin.:)

[rockandrollsouls]

I need to hear some opinions here because I have no idea what to do for next tuesday. I do plan on voting for all new representatives but as far as president I don't know if I should even cast a vote.

Can anyone give a simple outline of my options besides McObama? Like all 3rd party candidate and basic policies. Thanks.

After a lot of deliberation I decided to vote for Chuck. I think he's the better of the two on understanding our screwed up economy and how to fix it. Plus, I like his tariff idea. That's my big issue so that's who I've decided to vote for :)

[rockandrollsouls]

Good choice ;) Only true Ron Paul supporters vote for Baldwin! I am voting today with my wife and cant wait to do it already! Chuck is the closest thing we have to Dr. Paul... :cool:

I disagree with that statement, and I am voting for Baldwin. Only true communists give you one choice....;)

[RoyalShock]

Chuck Baldwin.

In no specific order:

- Unwavering support for Ron Paul.

- Ron Paul supports him.

- I like his platform and it's high degree of similarity to Dr. Paul's.

- That he is a pastor gives me some assurance that he is a man of integrity, something no other candidate can offer.

- He understands the dangers of instituting theocratic policies in that it opens the door for any number of faiths to institute their own versions. Bascially, that he believes in religious liberty for everyone.

- I believe that life, spiritually and scientifically, begins at conception and deserves full protection under the law, as does Baldwin.

[LiveToWin]

I will be writing in Ron Paul tommorow. My conscience will be clean as I watch the country fall apart by the hand of McCain or Obama.

[tnvoter]

I voted Baldwin. & basically because of his close beliefs alongside of Dr. Paul and to send a message to the GOP to pick a conservative candidate for liberty and free markets next time.

[justatrey]

It seems obvious to me that to have any impact on the election, we should try to be as united as possible behind one candidate. Just supposing RP supporters make up 4% of the electorate, we will make no impact by giving 1% to each of the 3 major third parties + Nader. On the other hand, adding 4% to one will raise some eyebrows.

FWIW I'm going with Baldwin unless a majority of us have already united behind one of the others.

I can't read through the whole thread atm. Have we come to a general consensus yet?

[Mani]

It seems obvious to me that to have any impact on the election, we should try to be as united as possible behind one candidate. Just supposing RP supporters make up 4% of the electorate, we will make no impact by giving 1% to each of the 3 major third parties + Nader. On the other hand, adding 4% to one will raise some eyebrows.

FWIW I'm going with Baldwin unless a majority of us have already united behind one of the others.

I can't read through the whole thread atm. Have we come to a general consensus yet?

Yup. One 1/4th are voting Baldwin, 1/4th are voting Barr, 1/4th are writing in Ron Paul, and the last quarter are voting either McCain, a few Obamas, then some Nader, Green Party, and mickey mouse votes to name a few.

So we are pretty united at being split up.

[justatrey]

Yup. One 1/4th are voting Baldwin, 1/4th are voting Barr, 1/4th are writing in Ron Paul, and the last quarter are voting either McCain, a few Obamas, then some Nader, Green Party, and mickey mouse votes to name a few.

So we are pretty united at being split up.

lol, thats what I feared. So we will very little impact on the election. :confused:

[rockandrollsouls]

lol, thats what I feared. So we will very little impact on the election. :confused:

I'm thinking we might be pleasantly surprised.....we'll see I guess.

[heavenlyboy34]

lol, thats what I feared. So we will very little impact on the election. :confused:

Taking votes away from the big 2 counts as impact to me. :D

[bluto20]

Baldwin. Because he actually will follow the constitution or at least recognize it and try to follow it. Unlike some others our televisions tell us.

[JoshLowry]

Obama, just to piss off tonesforjonesbones.

Just kidding!

Natalie is forcing me to vote Baldwin.

[LibertyEagle]

Baldwin. Because in a nutshell, he's the closest match to Ron Paul's principles that we have in the race.

Oh no, Josh. Does this mean I'm going to have to vote for McCain in order to nullify your vote for Obama? :eek::D

[MsDoodahs]

Writing in Ron Paul.

:)

[paulpwns]

Writing in Nader

[AbolishTheGovt]

Will be voting Chuck Baldwin, because he's the only candidate currently in the running who will actually preserve, defend, protect, and uphold the Constitution, which is the very purpose of the Presidency.

[Warrior_of_Freedom]

Chuck Baldwin

[svf]

Illinois here.

Bob Barr for President. To support the LP platform. To "send a message" to the GOP that small gov't libertarians are "off the reservation." To help build an even stronger party capable of running more and BETTER candidates in 2010, 2012, and beyond.

LP for Senate. Green party in other races where only R & Ds are on the ballot. Write-in NOTA when only R & Ds running. NO on retaining all judges. YES on an IL constitutional convention. YES on establishing recall process for elected officials.

Overall I'm disheartened that the RP rEVOLution has fizzled out and we will not see a 10+% Liberty vote at the polls this year. But onward and upward...