Voting For McCain

[daviddee]

I have truly been one of the people the media refers to as "undecided".

Obama is everything I disagree with.
McCain is almost everything I disagree with.


Obama: my taxes get porked to the moon (Yes, I make "too much" money)
It will be Jimmy Carter's second term (Dept of Energy, Dept of Education, Price fixing, Health Care, etc.)
Court appointment nightmares (Ginsberg, Souter, O'Connor)
Welfare checks (tax credits) - ensuring Democrat control for the rest of my life



McCain: Endless war
Joe Lieberman
McCain - Kennedy
McCain - Feingold
Will die in office


The only positive thing about Obama's presidency will be it will make the Republican party suffer... but in the end we will all suffer under a Obama, Reid, Pelosi reign.

I live in a swing state where every vote matters...

This election sucks... so bad.

[tpreitzel]

You seem to be one of the truly honest voters. O'Connor was appointed by Reagan. All I can say is vote your conscience...

[daviddee]

You seem to be one of the truly honest voters. O'Connor was appointed by Reagan. All I can say is vote your conscience...

And Souter was Bush... I was listing them as examples of people we do not want.

And to make clear I would never vote for Obama... The choice is McCain or 3rd party.

I live in Florida so my vote does matter in the general scheme of things.

[dannno]

McCain doesn't deserve your support. Neither does Obama.

Get out your "Revolution: A Manifesto" and read page 76 and 77 very carefully.

[ArrestPoliticians]

Obama being half black is a good thing to promote some racial healing in this country. Also, the fact that he is a Dem is good because it makes the GOP weaker to our advances.

McCain MIGHT not be as liberal as his track record is (voted 90% of the time with liberal George W. Bush) so I guess that is a roll of the dice positive. He might try to put a few moderates on the supreme court. We also MIGHT get divided government which is a good thing, but probably won't.

There, the case is laid out. Vote third party.

[Dorfsmith]

Vote third party.

Yes! :)

[tpreitzel]

And Souter was Bush... I was listing them as examples of people we do not want.

OK ... Either way, America is no longer on the slow track to socialism. We're there. Actually, our main hope is to split the branches of government between Democrats and Republicans so we keep them fighting and accomplishing (enslaving us) little. With a Democratic congress, I, personally, would like to see McCain win although the powers controlling our government will advance their agenda anyway. Personally, I despise McCain, but I can see the US being rapidly enslaved through treaties (Global Warming, ICC, etc.) with a Democratic POTUS along with a Congress controlled by the Democratic party.

[tonesforjonesbones]

Dear poster...I am with YOU...i voted for McCAin in Florida because an Obama win will ruin what is left of our freedom. I voted for checks and balances...not particularly McCain because i'm not crazy about him. I considered this is not the time to protest vote because this is NOT a normal election cycle. We have rampant voter fraud from ACORN, Obama's ties with communists like Bill Ayers, The Communist party has endorsed Obama. I consider a vote for the republicans will buy us time because there is no telling what Komrade Obama and his cronies will do to alter our constitution/government in 4 years...and hopefully in 2012 the Liberty movement will be stronger. Tones

[daviddee]

OK ... Either way, America is no longer on the slow track to socialism. We're there. Actually, our main hope is to split the branches of government between Democrats and Republicans so we keep them fighting and accomplishing (enslaving us) little. With a Democratic congress, I, personally, would like to see McCain win although the powers controlling our government will advance their agenda anyway. Personally, I despise McCain, but I can see the US being rapidly enslaved through treaties (Global Warming, ICC, etc.) with a Democratic POTUS along with a Congress controlled by the Democratic party.

Your point is the larger point I am pondering.

In this 2 party b.s. we have now... I want gridlock, infighting, ineffective leaders, etc. More of the same is far better than "change" for the even worse. Yes, I know this is the lesser of two evil arguments... it is the system we are working within now.

Eventually the 2 party system will implode on itself. In order for that to happen we need really crap government for everyone. An Obama win makes the Dems happy for 2 terms. If McCain wins and Congress becomes a super majority Democrat then nothing happens and no one is happy. The wildcard is that McCain looks for love with the Democrats... and agrees with them on all the wrong issues.

Again, this election sucks.

[dannno]

OK ... Either way, America is no longer on the slow track to socialism. We're there. Actually, our main hope is to split the branches of government between Democrats and Republicans so we keep them fighting and accomplishing (enslaving us) little. With a Democratic congress, I, personally, would like to see McCain win although the powers controlling our government will advance their agenda anyway. Personally, I despise McCain, but I can see the US being rapidly enslaved through treaties (Global Warming, ICC, etc.) with a Democratic POTUS along with a Congress controlled by the Democratic party.

I don't know if I accept this theory, even Ron Paul said it was a "weak argument" for McCain.

Let me explain, because I think it may actually be worse.

When the Democrats and Republicans don't agree on a bill, rather than compromising towards each other, they compromise WITH each other and add more stuff into the bill.. so the Republicans get what they want, and the Democrats get what they want, too.

Remember how the first bailout bill that failed was very short, like less than 100 pages I think if I recall, and the second bailout bill was like 700 pages? Compromise isn't always a good thing when there is unlimited money to be spent and both sides are bought.

[daviddee]

Dear poster...I am with YOU...i voted for McCAin in Florida because an Obama win will ruin what is left of our freedom. I voted for checks and balances...not particularly McCain because i'm not crazy about him. I considered this is not the time to protest vote because this is NOT a normal election cycle. We have rampant voter fraud from ACORN, Obama's ties with communists like Bill Ayers, The Communist party has endorsed Obama. I consider a vote for the republicans will buy us time because there is no telling what Komrade Obama and his cronies will do to alter our constitution/government in 4 years...and hopefully in 2012 the Liberty movement will be stronger. Tones

Yeah, and see both you and I live in a state where we do not have the luxury of a protest vote. If I lived in North Dakota (or other solidly red state) I would have no qualms with voting 3rd party. I live in Florida... a state where 500 votes makes a difference.

[tonesforjonesbones]

I agree...GRIDLOCK is the key to buying us time....a McCain win will offer checks and balances. We can get more of our people in office in 2010...more representatives...we need time. That is why I voted republican. ToNES

[daviddee]

I don't know if I accept this theory, even Ron Paul said it was a "weak argument" for McCain.

Let me explain, because I think it may actually be worse.

When the Democrats and Republicans don't agree on a bill, rather than compromising towards each other, they compromise WITH each other and add more stuff into the bill.. so the Republicans get what they want, and the Democrats get what they want, too.

Remember how the first bailout bill that failed was very short, like less than 100 pages I think if I recall, and the second bailout bill was like 700 pages? Compromise isn't always a good thing when there is unlimited money to be spent and both sides are bought.

Yes, but they did have to compromise... When you control the White House, Senate, and House everything passes... Let me also remind you that this failed the house (the PEOPLE's house) and was pushed through by the Senate and White House... it was also tagged onto an existing bill. It was a fucked situation filled with threats/fear... The positive thing is it brought us closely to bankruptcy.

The Democrats have been in the "wilderness" for so long and they see this as the golden opportunity to finish what FDR started. Look at FDR's terms and that unto itself is a nightmare today. Democrats plant time bombs. They do not cause immediate carnage and on the surface look great. 50 years later those time bombs explode.... Social Security, MediCare, Federal Reserve, etc etc.


This election sucks...

[tonesforjonesbones]

Don't feel bad about not voting third party this time! Our movement is in its infancy...we didn't have very much time to get it together. I am sure that in 2 years we can get more liberty minded representatives into office. Look ...in my area...the guy who is running against Allen Boyd..a democrat who has been there many years...has the upper hand..AND our Ron Paul Republicans made friends with him...and he now belongs to the Republican Liberty Caucus and will be caucusing with RON PAUL if he wins and we think he WILL win. Now we will have anothe Liberty lover in washington with Ron Paul. That is so exciting. We just HAVE to make this checks and balances happen so we can get more of our folks elected in 2010. I hope Baldwin will go back to GOP and run for representative...that will make 2 from the florida panhandle RON paULErS! Tones

[tonesforjonesbones]

David do NOT listen to danno...danno is a die hard Obama supporter and he knows in his heart that a third party vote is a vote for OBAMA...FAILLLLLLLLLLLL Tones

[daviddee]

David do NOT listen to danno...danno is a die hard Obama supporter and he knows in his heart that a third party vote is a vote for OBAMA...FAILLLLLLLLLLLL Tones

Yeah, he is not swaying me... No one is.

I am just posting my reasoning so if there are others on the fence they will know they are not alone.

The deal is sealed and basically locks in 4 to 5 votes for McCain in Florida.

-dd

[dannno]

David do NOT listen to danno...danno is a die hard Obama supporter and he knows in his heart that a third party vote is a vote for OBAMA...FAILLLLLLLLLLLL Tones



:rolleyes:

http://djdestruction.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/02/lolcat.jpg

[tonesforjonesbones]

:p

tones

[enjerth]

McCain may produce a little bit of gridlock and that may slow down the decay of our country, but let's frame the question differently.

Should you vote for raising the temperature slowly, or quickly?

The only hope I have is that the change will be too fast and uncomfortable for the frog, and it'll decide to jump out of the pot.

Even so, I can't vote for Obama. McCain would be worse, because the country would have time to grow more comfortable with socialism. Both parties are moving towards socialism. You can't embrace either candidate and fight against that move.

[heavenlyboy34]

David do NOT listen to danno...danno is a die hard Obama supporter and he knows in his heart that a third party vote is a vote for OBAMA...FAILLLLLLLLLLLL Tones

Careful danno...they're conspiring against ya! :eek:

[linux]

McCain may produce a little bit of gridlock and that may slow down the decay of our country, but let's frame the question differently.

Should you vote for raising the temperature slowly, or quickly?

The only hope I have is that the change will be too fast and uncomfortable for the frog, and it'll decide to jump out of the pot.

Even so, I can't vote for Obama. McCain would be worse, because the country would have time to grow more comfortable with socialism. Both parties are moving towards socialism. You can't embrace either candidate and fight against that move.

I tend to agree with this position. I'm leaning toward a Baldwin vote. I told my wife that and she nearly lost it. She is deathly afraid of Obama.

What a nightmare.

[tpreitzel]

I don't know if I accept this theory, even Ron Paul said it was a "weak argument" for McCain.

Let me explain, because I think it may actually be worse.

When the Democrats and Republicans don't agree on a bill, rather than compromising towards each other, they compromise WITH each other and add more stuff into the bill.. so the Republicans get what they want, and the Democrats get what they want, too.

Remember how the first bailout bill that failed was very short, like less than 100 pages I think if I recall, and the second bailout bill was like 700 pages? Compromise isn't always a good thing when there is unlimited money to be spent and both sides are bought.

It's possible. Sometimes, I wonder where we might be as a nation if our ancestors over the past 100 years had simply stopped playing the game of voting for the lesser of two evils and just let the system collapse by voting for the right, i.e. constitutional, candidates. Technology hadn't advanced to the point of enslavement and we might have had an easier time of returning to constitutional government. Now, we have ALL of the tools in place for global fascism, i.e. UN, technology, etc.... Oh, well, bygones are bygones. We have to deal with the future as grim as it seems at times.

[dannno]

I'm leaning toward a Baldwin vote. I told my wife that and she nearly lost it. She is deathly afraid of Obama.

What a nightmare.


Are you married to TONES?

[Proctor]

Dear poster...I am with YOU...i voted for McCAin in Florida because an Obama win will ruin what is left of our freedom. I voted for checks and balances...not particularly McCain because i'm not crazy about him. I considered this is not the time to protest vote because this is NOT a normal election cycle. We have rampant voter fraud from ACORN, Obama's ties with communists like Bill Ayers, The Communist party has endorsed Obama. I consider a vote for the republicans will buy us time because there is no telling what Komrade Obama and his cronies will do to alter our constitution/government in 4 years...and hopefully in 2012 the Liberty movement will be stronger. Tones

Thank you for ruining the country. Hope McCain screws up as bad as Bush so you regret it.

And I'm not saying vote for Obama. They're like Pepsi & Coke. Very little, if any difference

[Aratus]

folks... a vote for mccain right now is a vote for sarah palin in 2012 rather than
mike huckabee or mitt romney... [romney is always way cool veep material, methinks!]
if you now vote for john mccain, you most likely will be shifting thy focus over time to sarah palin!

[Aratus]

i expect the next potus to be a ONE TERM potus! if its obama, he may run again for a second term any time between now and 2036
and perhaps could merrily sweak in again happily into things D.C---- he is a democrat. we are yet to fall under moore's law
and peak oil, in full. barack obama would be 75 years of age, then. am think of a timespan sorta like reagans yet not as conservative...

mccain is only several months younger than ron paul and perhaps lacking 20 to 30 I.Q points on him. he may be a stern senator fulsomely in the senate and of the senate in both 2012 and 2016 if not 2020! i am not being politically myopic when i see this all sharply and clearly...

[JohnMeridith]

People that play the two party game are enemies of the Republic.

[Cleaner44]

McCain doesn't deserve your support. Neither does Obama.

Get out your "Revolution: A Manifesto" and read page 76 and 77 very carefully.

Exactly.

Forget continuing down the road of lesser of two evils. See the bigger picture.

[Cleaner44]

folks... a vote for mccain right now is a vote for sarah palin in 2012 rather than
mike huckabee or mitt romney... [romney is always way cool veep material, methinks!]
if you now vote for john mccain, you most likely will be shifting thy focus over time to sarah palin!

Exactly what we don't need. Enough of the Pro-War Neocons. We need a Ron Paul Republican in 2012. No to Sarah Palin and yes to B.J. Lawson!

[evadmurd]

I early voted in Tennessee and almost thought I could vote for McCain. As I voted, I couldn't clear my conscience so I voted "other" (write-in). McCain's disdain and contempt for RP and his supporters is what really swayed my away from pulling the tab for him. He made an incredibly stupid tactical error in ignoring our segment of the electorate.

[EndTheFed]

I have truly been one of the people the media refers to as "undecided".

Obama is everything I disagree with.
McCain is almost everything I disagree with.


Obama: my taxes get porked to the moon (Yes, I make "too much" money)
It will be Jimmy Carter's second term (Dept of Energy, Dept of Education, Price fixing, Health Care, etc.)
Court appointment nightmares (Ginsberg, Souter, O'Connor)
Welfare checks (tax credits) - ensuring Democrat control for the rest of my life



McCain: Endless war
Joe Lieberman
McCain - Kennedy
McCain - Feingold
Will die in office


The only positive thing about Obama's presidency will be it will make the Republican party suffer... but in the end we will all suffer under a Obama, Reid, Pelosi reign.

I live in a swing state where every vote matters...

This election sucks... so bad.


Agreed... Hold your nose... Vote McCain.... And then lets hold their feet to the fire.. Hope we can make inroads with Palin.... Work like hell to educate people and move to the next steps...

[EndTheFed]

Yes! :)

No! :)

[EndTheFed]

Yeah, he is not swaying me... No one is.

I am just posting my reasoning so if there are others on the fence they will know they are not alone.

The deal is sealed and basically locks in 4 to 5 votes for McCain in Florida.

-dd

Thank you so much... a voice of reason...

[EndTheFed]

:p

tones

:D

[DAFTEK]

Exactly what we don't need. Enough of the Pro-War Neocons. We need a Ron Paul Republican in 2012. No to Sarah Palin and yes to B.J. Lawson!

2012? And what are you going to do with Obama for the next 8 years? You wont have anything left to fight with, the government will own you :)

Anyway, i wont beat on people voting for McPalin anymore, Obama scares allot of people and i cant blame them anymore... Honestly just listening to him on TV and see the evil in his eyes starts to scare me also. :rolleyes:

I hope some of you know how to cross borders like the Mexicans when the shit hits the fan.. :D

[JosephTheLibertarian]

Don't feel bad about not voting third party this time! Our movement is in its infancy...we didn't have very much time to get it together. I am sure that in 2 years we can get more liberty minded representatives into office. Look ...in my area...the guy who is running against Allen Boyd..a democrat who has been there many years...has the upper hand..AND our Ron Paul Republicans made friends with him...and he now belongs to the Republican Liberty Caucus and will be caucusing with RON PAUL if he wins and we think he WILL win. Now we will have anothe Liberty lover in washington with Ron Paul. That is so exciting. We just HAVE to make this checks and balances happen so we can get more of our folks elected in 2010. I hope Baldwin will go back to GOP and run for representative...that will make 2 from the florida panhandle RON paULErS! Tones

Maybe your brain is in its infancy?

[EndTheFed]

folks... a vote for mccain right now is a vote for sarah palin in 2012 rather than
mike huckabee or mitt romney... [romney is always way cool veep material, methinks!]
if you now vote for john mccain, you most likely will be shifting thy focus over time to sarah palin!

Great!!!!

[JosephTheLibertarian]

Sarah Palin doesn't even have many positions I agree with. Not libertarian at all, she might even be a bigger RINO than McLame

Maybe I'll vote for her if she gives me head

[Aratus]

i feel our divine sarah could go either way... like she was into a pat buchanan thingie at one point,
is said to have once had a ron paul button on, has shot moose before, and seems sorta politically close
to the late sen. barry goldwater at times... she almost sawWwed alaska off from the lower 48 whilst being
on good terms with hawaii... so go figure. i think mccain was seeing her as being almost tres rEVOLUTIOn...

[JosephTheLibertarian]

i feel our divine sarah could go either way... like she was into a pat buchanan thingie at one point,
is said to have once had a ron paul button on, has shot moose before, and seems sorta politically close
to the late sen. barry goldwater at times... she almost sawWwed alaska off from the lower 48 whilst being
on good terms with hawaii... so go figure. i think mccain was seeing her as being almost tres rEVOLUTIOn...

Sarah Palin is only good for one thing, old man.

I wonder how such a ditz became governor lol

[Aratus]

dude...

trust me...i'm a 50something female... divine sarah and even
her RNC purchased saks fifth ave suits is to my zip-code
...still a lyfestyle goal... and something to gameplan for...

ol' john mccain reeks of desiring not to see pretty-boy mitt romney's mug
around him... divine sarah is EYE*CANDY for the 'nam vet gloriously:D

[Aratus]

divine sarah even tells us now when its HER OWN clothes
she has on, not these borrowed rainments or the like...

[Aratus]

i once went into a voting booth and voted for ross perot... sarah palin has this feisty spunk...

[JosephTheLibertarian]

dude...

trust me...i'm a 50something female... divine sarah and even
her RNC purchased saks fifth ave suits is to my zip-code
...still a lyfestyle goal... and something to gameplan for...

ol' john mccain reeks of desiring not to see pretty-boy mitt romney's mug
around him... divine sarah is EYE*CANDY for the 'nam vet gloriously:D

are you a feminist or something

[DAFTEK]

Sarah Palin is only good for one thing, old man.

I wonder how such a ditz became governor lol

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/05/Man_making_a_grimace.jpg/800px-Man_making_a_grimace.jpg

[DAFTEK]

Maybe your brain is in its infancy?

You should look in the mirror, I'm starting to think you no longer have mush in the head but just an empty skull with bad gas coming up rather then going out.... :rolleyes:

[JosephTheLibertarian]

You should look in the mirror, I'm starting to think you no longer have mush in the head but just an empty skull with bad gas coming up rather then going out.... :rolleyes:

Now you're back to finding my posts and attacking me? Do you have a life? I don't need little internet friends, try real friends out for size, chump.

[JohnMeridith]

I would have to do everything I could to keep from literally spitting in the face of people who are supposedly aware and part of the RP movement and still vote for the two party system. That vote shows SUPREME ignorance.

[DAFTEK]

Now you're back to finding my posts and attacking me? Do you have a life? I don't need little internet friends, try real friends out for size, chump.


Yet you live on this forum pushing satanic ideas... :rolleyes: Nice tattoo and haircut, it's bad enough you are one ugly whiteboy....

Better to be a Chuck Baldwin chump then a gay chimp :) Chimp! :D

[The_Orlonater]

Dear poster...I am with YOU...i voted for McCAin in Florida because an Obama win will ruin what is left of our freedom. I voted for checks and balances...not particularly McCain because i'm not crazy about him. I considered this is not the time to protest vote because this is NOT a normal election cycle. We have rampant voter fraud from ACORN, Obama's ties with communists like Bill Ayers, The Communist party has endorsed Obama. I consider a vote for the republicans will buy us time because there is no telling what Komrade Obama and his cronies will do to alter our constitution/government in 4 years...and hopefully in 2012 the Liberty movement will be stronger. Tones

Bill Ayers?

You got to be kidding me.

Why do you post on this forum?

[moostraks]

2012? And what are you going to do with Obama for the next 8 years? You wont have anything left to fight with, the government will own you :)

Anyway, i wont beat on people voting for McPalin anymore, Obama scares allot of people and i cant blame them anymore... Honestly just listening to him on TV and see the evil in his eyes starts to scare me also. :rolleyes:

I hope some of you know how to cross borders like the Mexicans when the shit hits the fan.. :D

haha...why do you think we moved to ne ohio??? I hear the underground railroad used lake erie when it was frozen to flee to canada...oh canada, I am sure we can learn their anthem...LOL!!!:D

[JosephTheLibertarian]

Yet you live on this forum pushing satanic ideas... :rolleyes: Nice tattoo and haircut, it's bad enough you are one ugly whiteboy....

Better to be a Chuck Baldwin chump then a gay chimp :) Chimp! :D

I don't have that cut anymore, chump. You're a man, why would I want to look good to you? :rolleyes:

Racist to boot? "white boy" No surprise

Too bad I'm not there to smack some sense in you.

Bet I had more women than you.