A warning to 3rd party candidate voters

[johnwk]

Voting for a third party candidate at this time when one of only two candidates will win the election [McCain/Obama] , would be wasting your vote and endangering your political freedoms. My personal opinion is that voting for McCain will give those who are not happy with either Obama/McCain or the Republican/Democrat party leadership will give us time to regroup, unite, and try to increase our numbers. I see Obama as a very frightening and dangerous choice, and if elected would work to undermine the very core of our election process by silencing opposition! He must be stopped for no other reason than to save our election process, and here is why.


Obama/Ayers Update: Obama Campaign Unleashes “Turbas” on WGN Radio Host (http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/08/28/obamaayers-update-obama-campaign-harasses-wgn-radio-host/)

Obama Campaign Tries to Shut Down Chicago Radio Show (http://www.stoptheaclu.com/archives/2008/08/28/obama-campaign-tries-to-shut-down-chicago-radio-show/)

Intimidation Tactics (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,414662,00.html)

SHUT UP, THEY EXPLAINED (AGAIN) (http://www.620wtmj.com/shows/charliesykes/27599369.html?blog=y)

Heck, even Hillary supporters say that Obama’s brown shirt tactics used on WGN are “unreal“ (http://www.hillaryclintonforum.net/discussion/showpost.php?p=343577&postcount=4) and “bully-boy tactics“.

Government computers used to find information on Joe the Plumber (http://www.dispatch.com/live/content/local_news/stories/2008/10/24/joe.html?sid=101)


Well, that’s just a taste of Chicago’s corrupt political machine in action which will swarm into Washington if Obama is elected. SEE:
A presidential debate, the Chicago Way (http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/opinion/chi-kass-0510,0,7245642.column)


But any child in Illinois knows the Chicago Way leads through the most politically corrupt city in America, in a politically corrupt state, where muscle trumps reason, where Democratic warlords brazenly promote their offspring into public office, where even souls are offered up for sale.

The national media have never wanted to understand, much less expose, political corruption here, or examine how Obama prospered under the Daley machine's guidance. A trip down the Chicago Way would force them to re-examine their ridiculous narrative that sets Obama as a political reformer riding a white horse, or is that a winged unicorn?



As I correctly stated, it’s very scary that many who support Obama don’t understand the Chicago political machine and how it works if put into power. It immediately begins to use all available government resources to snuff out political opposition. ACORN is only a small example!


JWK

Wake up and smell the Hugo Chávez coffee.

[FindLiberty]

I poop on this thread (the OP).


This year especially there is no lesser of two evils. There is socialism or fascism. The true American spirit should guide every voter to have no part of either.

[angelatc]

WHat a dummy head.

McCain has lost - it's over - go home. Voting for him is a waste.

Obama is winning, and winning by a landslide. Voting for him is a waste - your vote won't matter.

Voting third party might help third parties get ballot access and federal funding. That's the only vote that is not a waste!

[cindy25]

in most states it makes no difference-NY and CA will be Obama, TX will be McCain etc

so what you are saying only matters in OH, PA and the other battlegrounds.

[acptulsa]

Yeah, the Chicago political machine is scary. Has been for a long time. Anyone with a clue would realize that Obama being connected to that machine can't be a squeaky clean reformer.

But the Chicago political machine has never worked to allow uranium tailings to contaminate the air and water of entire tribes of natives like McCain did.

'The lesser of evils' is a joke this year. Choosing that is as difficult as determining which of the Twin Towers was taller (discounting antennae) with the naked eye.

[slacker921]

I'm in the battleground state of NC. I'm voting for Barr because the two parties have worked hard to make ballot access in this state impossible.

If Barr or Munger (running for gov) don't get over 2% then the Libertarians have to go around and collect another 75,000+ signatures just to be on the ballot again. That cost the Libertarian Party over $250,000 this election - putting them at a huge disadvantage. The two parties will have to contend with a much larger LP in NC in the next election and you can be sure they'll pull all the tricks they can get away with to keep the LP marginalized.

The LP was the only third party able to gather enough money to collect the signatures to get on the ballot in NC..

For that reason (and many, many more) the two parties lost my vote this election.

[tonesforjonesbones]

To the op...forget it. Some of us have tried logic in here and it doesn't work. The only way they are going to get it is when The Komrade wins and destroys the rest of the freedom we have and the Liberty movement is tanked. Of course, then it will be too late...Tones

[micahnelson]

John McCain said it best himself: "Barak Obama is running to be the redistributor and chief, I am running to be the commander and chief."

You get to choose between the welfare mentality, and the military industrial complex. I am ambivalent about it, but will vote third party because I can't support another statist.

[Dieseler]

You will not even recognize this country after four years of Obama with a clear Democratic majority in Congress and several Supreme Court judges with one foot in the grave and the other on the Obama peel.
Good luck people, you're gonna need it.

[ARealConservative]

to the op - a vote for either of these fascists sends a message that they can do whatever they want, and they will not lose your vote.

stop being a twit who votes for horrible candidates is the only remedy.

[zach]

A wasted vote is only wasted if you yourself give it no value.

And no, I didn't vote for the top two "candidates."

[tonesforjonesbones]

I agree with Diesler....the komrades are already pushing the Fairness doctrine which will shut down any dissenting voices, including yours. This is pure communism..and you are just too dull to see it. At least C4L is putting the good information about Komrade Obama on their site. Tones

[Dieseler]

I should have said, Good luck future Komrades.

[DAFTEK]

I'm fighting the urge to vote full Republican.... lol ugghhhh Even Huckafuck would have been better then that fart face McCain!!!

This election is like would you like to get fucked in the ass with Vaseline or Baby-Oil?

WE'RE GETTING FUCKED IN THE ASS NO MATER WHAT WE DO!

Excuse my harsh words but it is a fact! :rolleyes:

[ARealConservative]

look at the neocons flopping around like fish out of water.

you wrecked the GOP, now lay in the bed you shit in.

[ItsTime]

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[JohnMeridith]

Worst thread of the DAY!!

ignore list +1

[johnwk]

I'm in the battleground state of NC. I'm voting for Barr because the two parties have worked hard to make ballot access in this state impossible.

If Barr or Munger (running for gov) don't get over 2% then the Libertarians have to go around and collect another 75,000+ signatures just to be on the ballot again. That cost the Libertarian Party over $250,000 this election - putting them at a huge disadvantage. The two parties will have to contend with a much larger LP in NC in the next election and you can be sure they'll pull all the tricks they can get away with to keep the LP marginalized.

The LP was the only third party able to gather enough money to collect the signatures to get on the ballot in NC..

For that reason (and many, many more) the two parties lost my vote this election.

ACORN will take care of the LP if Obama ever gets to be president. And you wont have to worry about your $250K. In general I agree with you but not when the Chicago Machine hangs in the balance.

Regards,

JWK

"To lay with one hand the power of the government on the property of the citizen and with the other to bestow upon favored individuals, to aid private enterprises and build up private fortunes is none the less a robbery because it is done under forms of law and called taxation." ____ Savings and Loan Assc. v. Topeka,(1875).

[johnwk]

To the op...forget it. Some of us have tried logic in here and it doesn't work. The only way they are going to get it is when The Komrade wins and destroys the rest of the freedom we have and the Liberty movement is tanked. Of course, then it will be too late...Tones



It's so sad, especially when I have devoted many years of my life working to get people to understand how the Washington Establishment and the leadership of both political parties have been playing us for years, to now see a new threat has been added, the Chicago Machine, which will snuff out any political party opposition should Obama get elected. Do these people not realize where ACORN has its roots?


JWK

Wake up and smell the Hugo Chávez coffee.

[John E]

Voting for the same two party system is what got us in this mess.

Vote Third Party -- you can't win this election but you sure as hell can tip the odds enough so the big two have to listen during the next one.

[Original_Intent]

Worst thread of the DAY!!

ignore list +1

I nominate worst thread of the month - do I have a second?

I am not angry with the OP, I pity foks that are still so blinded by their conditioning.

TruthWarrior, not a word.....:D

[Anti Federalist]

This thread is:
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And:

http://imgdump.info/data/media/46/Truck%20of%20Fail.jpg

[johnrocks]

John, what did you come over here posting this for? Us Libertarians over at Hannity told you the same thing except here we can say FUCK NO! Without it being beeped out!:D

[Lovecraftian4Paul]

A vote for McCain out of fear is the biggest waste of all. Stick a fork in the old fart already, he's done! I guarantee that anyone who votes for McCain without believing in his neo-con garbage is going to feel like a heel coming out of the voting booth, and again the next day after McCain loses by a landslide.

[Anti Federalist]

John, what did you come over here posting this for? Us Libertarians over at Hannity told you the same thing except here we can say FUCK NO! Without it being beeped out!:D

Unlike Hannity's Insanity, he can come over here and post his thoughts, silly as they are, without fear of being instantly banned.

[cheapseats]

Voting for a third party candidate at this time when one of only two candidates will win the election [McCain/Obama] , would be wasting your vote and endangering your political freedoms. My personal opinion is that voting for McCain will give those who are not happy with either Obama/McCain or the Republican/Democrat party leadership will give us time to regroup, unite, and try to increase our numbers. I see Obama as a very frightening and dangerous choice, and if elected would work to undermine the very core of our election process by silencing opposition!


I agree.

I have little enough respect for John McCain and less for the Republican Old Guard but, after more than two years following this crap full-time, I agree that John McCain, while bad, is less bad than Barack Obama and conceivably very much less bad.

As well, I sense that John McCain would have no chance whatever of running for re-election. Not so, O. Benefits will flow like manna from heaven, yes? The addicted crowds will sound like Billy Idol singing, "More, more, more."


SOMETHING'S NOT RIGHT ABOUT OBAMA
10 July 2008

Something’s also not right about Hard Right, that bears mention. Bears mention = warrants remark. To stand silently by when a thing warrants remark is to be complicit in the thing that warrants remark. Trust me, there aren’t two ways about that in God’s eyes. Going along with wrong stuff = being an accomplice.

I am on record as warning my country that the Way Left...bastion of whining about heavy-handed Hardright authoritarianism...is engaging in old-fashioned, new-technology censorship. Because it IS high-tech, and because it is emanating from the supposedly peace/love/grooviness party, I deem it to be more dangerous than the traditional clodhopper exclusionary tactics of the Hard Right.

Over and over, I read about Barack Obama’s internet savvy-ness. Barack Obama knows, then, that his rabid supporters have vilified as racists unto Klan members those who have the audacity not to adore His Next Royal Highness. Barack Obama knows, then, that ostensibly progressive message boards have segregated unto their own area, at the bottom of the page, those who have the audacity not to adore His Next Royal Highness. Barack Obama knows, then, that outfits like CNN and blogs like EENR have deleted comments that are not pro-His Next Royal Highness.

Houston, we have a problem.

I cannot abide George Bush, I am angry at the Republicans, I am having a right hard time with McCain’s backsliding into quasi-alignment with the Hard-read-that-Rigid-and-Breakable Right...but I am APPALLED by the Democrats, and I grow increasingly not decreasingly skeptical of Barack Obama. I believe the saying is, “The devil you know is better than the devil you don’t know.”

Here’s what I know. People who were ordinary liberal bloggers...I know, I know, ‘ordinary’ forms an oxymoron with ‘liberal’ and ‘blogger’...are now like people who have given leave of their senses. Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde is perhaps too strong an analogy, but I draw attention to the word ‘perhaps.’ I am not just talking about people behaving in the very ways they have been decrying, but people behaving in the very ways they have been decrying without even seeing...or seeing, without caring...that they are behaving in the very ways they have been decrying.

Delusional or contemptuous, take your pick, but it doesn’t admit of Reason.

I sense that something or someone other than Barack Obama is fueling the frenzy. Governance is not the place for frenzy, it really isn’t.

I did not pull punches when I became persuaded that white supremacists were the driving force behind Ron Paul’s whirlwind popularity. I will not pull punches about whichever weirdness propels Barack Obama’s stardom.

Trouble is, I don’t know WHO is driving Obama Mania...those who too much want Obama to win, or those who too much want Democrats to lose. Thankfully, I don’t have to trouble myself with who/what is the driving force and I’m glad...enemies like that I don’t need. I can and have a civic responsibility to train my eye right on Obama, and here’s why. Whatever else he is or says or does...regardless his flipflopping, his naivete, his arrogance and his mysterious formative years...Barack Obama is a man who stands silently by while people do wrong in his name.

http://web.mac.com/implausibleendeavors/Implausible_Endeavors/The_Royal_We/Entries/2008/7/10_Something’s_Not_Right_About_Obama.html

[CurtisLow]

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[cheapseats]

McCain has lost -

Not yet, therefore this is false.



Obama is winning, and winning by a landslide.

By a landslide is patently false.




Voting third party might help third parties get ballot access and federal funding.


I draw attention to the word 'might.'




That's the only vote that is not a waste!

Altogether debatable.

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Calling anyone with an opposing view a Troll, aside from being immature, has been a hallmark of Obamamaniacs all season.

[Cleaner44]

Obama winning is the best thing for the Revolution and the Republican party in the long run. A vote for McCain is like a vote for the bailout.

FAIL

[Grimnir Wotansvolk]

The line for McBama voters to lick my rectum can form here and move to the left

You can start, tones. Don't be bashful, get in there nice and deep.

[Anti Federalist]

JohnWK wrote:


Government computers used to find information on Joe the Plumber

Why are you so concerned about intrusive, unconstitutional government databases now?

You're about 10 years too late bub.

Wait until Attorney General Hillary gets her hands on the PATRIOT Act.

A small ray of sunshine in this new national nightmare unfolding, will be watching the neocons squirm and scream bloody murder when all this police state shit that they have been defending for the past eight years starts to get used on them.

[cheapseats]

Obama winning is the best thing for the Revolution and the Republican party in the long run. A vote for McCain is like a vote for the bailout.

FAIL

Without question, voting for Obama is ALSO voting for the bailout...the 850 billion dollar version rather than the 700 billion dollar version.

The argument that Obama winning is the "best thing for the Revolution and the Republican party" is predicated on the quote-unquote Revolution...the one that is prepared to WAIT ANOTHER FOUR YEARS...getting their shit together while the Republican Old Guard does what? Goes golfing? Dies? While Republican Moderates do what? Become gun-toting, tax-revolting, Constitutionalist hardliners? Fat chance. Emphasis on fat.

With Obama in the White House...making increasing millions upon millions grateful to the government for their paycheck...the Republican Old Guard will be free, like you, to devote its energies and efforts and its considerable entrenched monies to staging a comeback. Emphasis on stage.

The notion that Libertarians can use an Obama Administration to do what they couldn't do this time around is predicated on the presumption that everyone else will sit tight and do nothing while the Freedomniks plot their takeover. It is like a child playing Chinese checkers, who tries to concoct a move that will permit him to jump-jump-jump a marble all the way across the board but who discovers that other players have oh-so-uncooperatively moved the marbles over which he planned to jump.

[Sandra]

To the op...forget it. Some of us have tried logic in here and it doesn't work. The only way they are going to get it is when The Komrade wins and destroys the rest of the freedom we have and the Liberty movement is tanked. Of course, then it will be too late...Tones


Logic? ...and yet you STILL post? Where's the logic in that?

[JS4Pat]

A Wasted Vote

By Chuck Baldwin
October 9, 2008

When asked why they will not vote for a third party candidate, many people will respond by saying something like, "He cannot win." Or, "I don't want to waste my vote." It is true: America has not elected a third party candidate since 1860. Does that automatically mean, however, that every vote cast for one of the two major party candidates is not a wasted vote? I don't think so.

In the first place, a wasted vote is a vote for someone you know does not represent your own beliefs and principles. A wasted vote is a vote for someone you know will not lead the country in the way it should go. A wasted vote is a vote for the "lesser of two evils." Or, in the case of John McCain and Barack Obama, what we have is a choice between the "evil of two lessers."

Albert Einstein is credited with saying that insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, and expecting a different result. For years now, Republicans and Democrats have been leading the country in the same basic direction: toward bigger and bigger government; more and more socialism, globalism, corporatism, and foreign interventionism; and the dismantling of constitutional liberties. Yet, voters continue to think that they are voting for "change" when they vote for a Republican or Democrat. This is truly insane!

Take a look at the recent $700 billion Wall Street bailout: both John McCain and Barack Obama endorsed and lobbied for it. Both McCain and Obama will continue to bail out these international banksters on the backs of the American taxpayers. Both McCain and Obama support giving illegal aliens amnesty and a path to citizenship. In the debate this past Tuesday night, both McCain and Obama expressed support for sending U.S. forces around the world for "peacekeeping" purposes. They also expressed support for sending combat forces against foreign countries even if those countries do not pose a threat to the United States. Neither Obama nor McCain will do anything to stem the tide of a burgeoning police state or a mushrooming New World Order. Both Obama and McCain support NAFTA and similar "free trade" deals. Neither candidate will do anything to rid America of the Federal Reserve, or work to eliminate the personal income tax, or disband the Internal Revenue Service (IRS). Both Obama and McCain support the United Nations. So, pray tell, how is a vote for either McCain or Obama not a wasted vote?

But, back to the "he cannot win" argument: to vote for John McCain is to vote for a man who cannot win. Yes, I am saying it here and now: John McCain cannot win this election. The handwriting is on the wall. The Fat Lady is singing. It is all over. Finished. John McCain cannot win.

With only three weeks before the election, Barack Obama is pulling away. McCain has already pulled his campaign out of Michigan. In other key battleground states, McCain is slipping fast. He was ahead in Missouri; now it is a toss-up or leaning to Obama. A couple of weeks ago, Ohio, Pennsylvania, and Florida were all leaning towards McCain, or at least toss-up states. Now, they are all leaning to Obama. Even the longtime GOP bellwether state of Indiana is moving toward Obama. In addition, new voter registrations are at an all-time high, and few of them are registering as Republicans. In fact, the Republican Party now claims only around 25% of the electorate, and Independents are increasingly leaning toward Obama.

Ladies and gentlemen, Barack Obama is headed for an electoral landslide victory over John McCain. John McCain can no more beat Barack Obama than Bob Dole could beat Bill Clinton.

I ask, therefore, Are not conservatives and Christians who vote for John McCain guilty of the same thing that they accuse people who vote for third party candidates of doing? Are they not voting for someone who cannot win? Indeed, they are. In fact, conservatives and Christians who vote for John McCain are not only voting for a man who cannot win, they are voting for a man who does not share their own beliefs and principles. If this is not insanity, nothing is!

So, why not (for once in your life, perhaps) cast a vote purely for principle! Vote for someone who is truly pro-life. Someone who would quickly secure our nation's borders, and end the invasion of our country by illegal aliens. Someone who would, on his first day in office, release Border Patrol agents Ramos and Compean and fire U.S. Attorney Johnny Sutton. Someone who would immediately, upon assuming office, begin leading the charge to dismantle the Federal Reserve, overturn the 16th Amendment, expunge the IRS, and return America to sound money principles.

Someone who would get the US out of the UN. Someone who would stop spending billions and trillions of dollars for foreign aid. Someone who would prosecute the Wall Street bankers who defrauded the American people out of billions of dollars. Someone who would work to repeal NAFTA, CAFTA, GATT, the WTO, and stop the NAFTA superhighway. Someone who would say a resounding "No" to the New World Order. Someone who would stop using our brave men and women in uniform as global cops for the United Nations. Someone who would stop America's global adventurism and interventionism. Someone who would steadfastly support and defend the right of the people to keep and bear arms.

"Who is this person?" you ask. Go here to find out:
http://www.baldwin08.com/

As John Quincy Adams said,
"Always vote for principle, though you may vote alone, and you may cherish the sweetest reflection that your vote is never lost."

[cheapseats]

A Wasted Vote

By Chuck Baldwin
October 9, 2008

When asked why they will not vote for a third party candidate, many people will respond by saying something like, "He cannot win." Or, "I don't want to waste my vote." It is true: America has not elected a third party candidate since 1860. Does that automatically mean, however, that every vote cast for one of the two major party candidates is not a wasted vote? I don't think so.

In the first place, a wasted vote is a vote for someone you know does not represent your own beliefs and principles. A wasted vote is a vote for someone you know will not lead the country in the way it should go. A wasted vote is a vote for the "lesser of two evils." Or, in the case of John McCain and Barack Obama, what we have is a choice between the "evil of two lessers."

Albert Einstein is credited with saying that insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, and expecting a different result. For years now, Republicans and Democrats have been leading the country in the same basic direction: toward bigger and bigger government; more and more socialism, globalism, corporatism, and foreign interventionism; and the dismantling of constitutional liberties. Yet, voters continue to think that they are voting for "change" when they vote for a Republican or Democrat. This is truly insane!

Take a look at the recent $700 billion Wall Street bailout: both John McCain and Barack Obama endorsed and lobbied for it. Both McCain and Obama will continue to bail out these international banksters on the backs of the American taxpayers. Both McCain and Obama support giving illegal aliens amnesty and a path to citizenship. In the debate this past Tuesday night, both McCain and Obama expressed support for sending U.S. forces around the world for "peacekeeping" purposes. They also expressed support for sending combat forces against foreign countries even if those countries do not pose a threat to the United States. Neither Obama nor McCain will do anything to stem the tide of a burgeoning police state or a mushrooming New World Order. Both Obama and McCain support NAFTA and similar "free trade" deals. Neither candidate will do anything to rid America of the Federal Reserve, or work to eliminate the personal income tax, or disband the Internal Revenue Service (IRS). Both Obama and McCain support the United Nations. So, pray tell, how is a vote for either McCain or Obama not a wasted vote?

But, back to the "he cannot win" argument: to vote for John McCain is to vote for a man who cannot win. Yes, I am saying it here and now: John McCain cannot win this election. The handwriting is on the wall. The Fat Lady is singing. It is all over. Finished. John McCain cannot win.

With only three weeks before the election, Barack Obama is pulling away. McCain has already pulled his campaign out of Michigan. In other key battleground states, McCain is slipping fast. He was ahead in Missouri; now it is a toss-up or leaning to Obama. A couple of weeks ago, Ohio, Pennsylvania, and Florida were all leaning towards McCain, or at least toss-up states. Now, they are all leaning to Obama. Even the longtime GOP bellwether state of Indiana is moving toward Obama. In addition, new voter registrations are at an all-time high, and few of them are registering as Republicans. In fact, the Republican Party now claims only around 25% of the electorate, and Independents are increasingly leaning toward Obama.

Ladies and gentlemen, Barack Obama is headed for an electoral landslide victory over John McCain. John McCain can no more beat Barack Obama than Bob Dole could beat Bill Clinton.

I ask, therefore, Are not conservatives and Christians who vote for John McCain guilty of the same thing that they accuse people who vote for third party candidates of doing? Are they not voting for someone who cannot win? Indeed, they are. In fact, conservatives and Christians who vote for John McCain are not only voting for a man who cannot win, they are voting for a man who does not share their own beliefs and principles. If this is not insanity, nothing is!

So, why not (for once in your life, perhaps) cast a vote purely for principle! Vote for someone who is truly pro-life. Someone who would quickly secure our nation's borders, and end the invasion of our country by illegal aliens. Someone who would, on his first day in office, release Border Patrol agents Ramos and Compean and fire U.S. Attorney Johnny Sutton. Someone who would immediately, upon assuming office, begin leading the charge to dismantle the Federal Reserve, overturn the 16th Amendment, expunge the IRS, and return America to sound money principles.

Someone who would get the US out of the UN. Someone who would stop spending billions and trillions of dollars for foreign aid. Someone who would prosecute the Wall Street bankers who defrauded the American people out of billions of dollars. Someone who would work to repeal NAFTA, CAFTA, GATT, the WTO, and stop the NAFTA superhighway. Someone who would say a resounding "No" to the New World Order. Someone who would stop using our brave men and women in uniform as global cops for the United Nations. Someone who would stop America's global adventurism and interventionism. Someone who would steadfastly support and defend the right of the people to keep and bear arms.

"Who is this person?" you ask. Go here to find out:
http://www.baldwin08.com/

As John Quincy Adams said,
"Always vote for principle, though you may vote alone, and you may cherish the sweetest reflection that your vote is never lost."

That said, not voting and voting third party...THIS YEAR...is a wasted "message."

One has only to look at their total imperviousness to America's millions and millions and millions of messages against the Great Bailout to know that the Powers That Be, not a few of whom belong in prison, do not give one flying fuck about messages sent by peons.

[TER]

Sorry. Not voting for McCain. Never have. Never will. And yes, I will sleep very well at night knowing I voted for a third party candidate.

[Kotin]

you dont vote to win....

[Original_Intent]

That said, not voting and voting third party...THIS YEAR...is a wasted "message."

One has only to look at their total imperviousness to America's millions and millions and millions of messages against the Great Bailout to know that the Powers That Be, not a few of whom belong in prison, do not give one flying fuck about messages sent by peons.

Yep every election we get the same scare tactic - we aren't ready yet, get back within the two party charade, maybe in two or four years you can vote your conscience and it will mean something but not now, never now. Every election the other guy is held up as the ultimate bogey-man that will destroy our country. I for one have had enough I will NEVER vote to keep someone out of the Oval office I will only vot FOR who I DO want.

The country survived LBJ, Clinton, and both Bushes. We'll survive Obama if that is what is needed to wake people up to an awareness of "our awful situation".

[cheapseats]

Yep every election we get the same scare tactic - we aren't ready yet, get back within the two party charade, maybe in two or four years...


Trouble is, Libertarians are playing the same game...throw this election in the hopes that two and four years down the line...



The country survived LBJ, Clinton, and both Bushes. We'll survive Obama if that is what is needed to wake people up to an awareness of "our awful situation".

Survival, like Change, is highly interpretive.

Eight years of George Bush wasn't bad enough to wake up the Great-Like-Baby-Huey Majority but, somehow, four OR EIGHT years of Robin Hood will do the trick? On what planet? Those who collect benefits under Obama will far outnumber those who get screwed, or he wouldn't be so popular.

[Original_Intent]

Survival, like Change, is highly interpretive. Complete agreement here.

Eight years of George Bush wasn't bad enough to wake up the Great-Like-Baby-Huey Majority but, somehow, four OR EIGHT years of Robin Hood will do the trick? On what planet? Those who collect benefits under Obama will far outnumber those who get screwed, or he wouldn't be so popular.

It's not the recipients of government largesse I expect or hope will wake up.

[cheapseats]

It's not the recipients of government largesse I expect or hope will wake up.

Ah, but under Obama, recipients of coerced taxpayer largesse shall constitute a Majority.

[heavenlyboy34]

You have serious denial of reality issues, OP. I suggest finding a therapist ASAP.

[johnwk]

I nominate worst thread of the month - do I have a second?

I am not angry with the OP, I pity foks that are still so blinded by their conditioning.

TruthWarrior, not a word.....:D

And I pity folks who are incapable or unwilling to evaluating existing circumstances and taking a path which allows them to remain in the fight. If Obama gets elected your future vote will amount to nothing, just as voting in Venezuela means nothing for those who oppose Hugo Chávez, and who operates a political machine very much like that of Chicago’s political machine, a political machinewhich put Obama were here is right now.

As I correctly stated, it’s very scary that many who support Obama don’t understand the Chicago political machine and how it works if put into power. It immediately begins to use all available government resources to snuff out political opposition. ACORN is only a small example!

BTW, did you read A presidential debate, the Chicago Way (http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/opinion/chi-kass-0510,0,7245642.column)


JWK

If we can make 51 percent of America’s population dependent upon a federal government check, we can then bribe them for their vote, keep ourselves in power and keep the remaining portion of America’s working population [Joe the American plumber] enslaved to pay the bills ____ Obama’s Marxist game plan, a plan to establish a federal plantation and redistribute the wages earned by labor.

[torchbearer]

Obama will hasten the revolution that needs to come.
McCain wins, and the neocon shills who abused the Ron Paul delegates will be vindicated and will know that they don't need to listen to the grassroots to maintain power.

There is a bigger picture here.
Ron Paul will be setting up the next Libertarian-like president for the future.
Who knows.. maybe a President Lawson... or some other ron paul republican.

[anaconda]

Voting for a third party candidate at this time when one of only two candidates will win the election [McCain/Obama] , would be wasting your vote and endangering your political freedoms.

This topic has been completely worn out. The only way to waste your vote is to give it to one of these two Council on Foreign Relations puppets. Our freedoms disappear incrementally with each successive Republican and Democrat administration. It's time to build the movement against this and to unite as many voters as possible who will say "no" to these two parties with essentially the same agenda. They are both criminal enterprises.

This may require some courage and resolve.

[johnwk]

JohnWK wrote:



Why are you so concerned about intrusive, unconstitutional government databases now?

You're about 10 years too late bub.




You dont know anything about me, so dont assume what I have or have not done during the last 10 years.

[cheapseats]

This topic has been completely worn out.


Like Mainstream Media, you would call the election early?



The only way to waste your vote is to give it to one of these two Council on Foreign Relations puppets.

Or to give it to one of the principled losers.





Our freedoms disappear incrementally with each successive Republican and Democrat administration. It's time to build the movement against this and to unite as many voters as possible who will say "no" to these two parties with essentially the same agenda. They are both criminal enterprises.

This may require some courage and resolve.

Absolutely, absolutely. But it isn't going to happen before Tuesday.

[cheapseats]

obama will hasten the revolution that needs to come.
Mccain wins, and the neocon shills who abused the ron paul delegates will be vindicated and will know that they don't need to listen to the grassroots to maintain power.

There is a bigger picture here.
Ron paul will be setting up the next libertarian-like president for the future.
Who knows.. Maybe a president lawson... Or some other ron paul republican.

l


IT IS HARDER TO RALLY PEOPLE TO BITE THE HAND THAT FEEDS THEM
OBAMA WILL MAKE MORE PEOPLE MORE RELIANT ON GOV’T LARGESSE

[EndTheFed]

I poop on this thread (the OP).

No... it is absolutely needed....

Vote McCain

[EndTheFed]

WHat a dummy head.

McCain has lost - it's over - go home. Voting for him is a waste.

Obama is winning, and winning by a landslide. Voting for him is a waste - your vote won't matter.

Voting third party might help third parties get ballot access and federal funding. That's the only vote that is not a waste!

Noooooo Vote McCain

[EndTheFed]

in most states it makes no difference-NY and CA will be Obama, TX will be McCain etc

so what you are saying only matters in OH, PA and the other battlegrounds.

And VA

[torchbearer]

l


IT IS HARDER TO RALLY PEOPLE TO BITE THE HAND THAT FEEDS THEM
OBAMA WILL MAKE MORE PEOPLE MORE RELIANT ON GOV’T LARGESSE


For the government to give to some, it must take from others.
The forgotten man will revolt. (this is important to remember)
If you vote for McCain, you vote against the constitution. And you vote for the enslavement of our people by more big government. The same thing you will get from obama.
Two big government guys. Big and Bigger.

The quicker we can get to the point that Atlas shrugs the better.

[EndTheFed]

Yeah, the Chicago political machine is scary. Has been for a long time. Anyone with a clue would realize that Obama being connected to that machine can't be a squeaky clean reformer.

But the Chicago political machine has never worked to allow uranium tailings to contaminate the air and water of entire tribes of natives like McCain did.

'The lesser of evils' is a joke this year. Choosing that is as difficult as determining which of the Twin Towers was taller (discounting antennae) with the naked eye.

The lesser of two evils is McCain this year...
Vote McCain...

[EndTheFed]

I'm in the battleground state of NC. I'm voting for Barr because the two parties have worked hard to make ballot access in this state impossible.

If Barr or Munger (running for gov) don't get over 2% then the Libertarians have to go around and collect another 75,000+ signatures just to be on the ballot again. That cost the Libertarian Party over $250,000 this election - putting them at a huge disadvantage. The two parties will have to contend with a much larger LP in NC in the next election and you can be sure they'll pull all the tricks they can get away with to keep the LP marginalized.

The LP was the only third party able to gather enough money to collect the signatures to get on the ballot in NC..

For that reason (and many, many more) the two parties lost my vote this election.


Noooooooo.... Vote McCain

[EndTheFed]

To the op...forget it. Some of us have tried logic in here and it doesn't work. The only way they are going to get it is when The Komrade wins and destroys the rest of the freedom we have and the Liberty movement is tanked. Of course, then it will be too late...Tones

yup...

[EndTheFed]

John McCain said it best himself: "Barak Obama is running to be the redistributor and chief, I am running to be the commander and chief."

You get to choose between the welfare mentality, and the military industrial complex. I am ambivalent about it, but will vote third party because I can't support another statist.

Noooooooo.... Vote McCain

[EndTheFed]

to the op - a vote for either of these fascists sends a message that they can do whatever they want, and they will not lose your vote.

stop being a twit who votes for horrible candidates is the only remedy.

Nooooooooo..... Vote McCain

[EndTheFed]

I'm fighting the urge to vote full Republican.... lol ugghhhh Even Huckafuck would have been better then that fart face McCain!!!

This election is like would you like to get fucked in the ass with Vaseline or Baby-Oil?

WE'RE GETTING FUCKED IN THE ASS NO MATER WHAT WE DO!

Excuse my harsh words but it is a fact! :rolleyes:

But at least you have a choice...

Vote McCain

[EndTheFed]

look at the neocons flopping around like fish out of water.

you wrecked the GOP, now lay in the bed you shit in.

If you don't vote mccain then you will be there too...

[EndTheFed]

Voting for the same two party system is what got us in this mess.

Vote Third Party -- you can't win this election but you sure as hell can tip the odds enough so the big two have to listen during the next one.

Bullshit.....


Vote McCain

[EndTheFed]

John, what did you come over here posting this for? Us Libertarians over at Hannity told you the same thing except here we can say FUCK NO! Without it being beeped out!:D

Noooooo Vote McCain

[EndTheFed]

A vote for McCain out of fear is the biggest waste of all. Stick a fork in the old fart already, he's done! I guarantee that anyone who votes for McCain without believing in his neo-con garbage is going to feel like a heel coming out of the voting booth, and again the next day after McCain loses by a landslide.

Noooooo vote McCain

[EndTheFed]

http://pics.bikerag.com/Uploads/data/500/258Troll_spray.jpg

Nooooo vote McCain

[EndTheFed]

Obama winning is the best thing for the Revolution and the Republican party in the long run. A vote for McCain is like a vote for the bailout.

FAIL

This is the STUPIDEST argument RP folks make...

[EndTheFed]

The line for McBama voters to lick my rectum can form here and move to the left

You can start, tones. Don't be bashful, get in there nice and deep.

Noooooooo vote McCain

[EndTheFed]

Logic? ...and yet you STILL post? Where's the logic in that?

Nooooooooo Vote McCain...

[EndTheFed]

Sorry. Not voting for McCain. Never have. Never will. And yes, I will sleep very well at night knowing I voted for a third party candidate.

Yes.... As you sit in the gulag :D

[EndTheFed]

You have serious denial of reality issues, OP. I suggest finding a therapist ASAP.

Nooooooooo Vote McCain

[EndTheFed]

Obama will hasten the revolution that needs to come.
McCain wins, and the neocon shills who abused the Ron Paul delegates will be vindicated and will know that they don't need to listen to the grassroots to maintain power.

There is a bigger picture here.
Ron Paul will be setting up the next Libertarian-like president for the future.
Who knows.. maybe a President Lawson... or some other ron paul republican.

This is the Bullshit I wish RP would address.... Havent herd him advocate violence YET

[heavenlyboy34]

to Endthefed...

Are you just borrowing neocon talking points to satirize them, a troll, or just an idiot?

[EndTheFed]

to Endthefed...

Are you just borrowing neocon talking points to satirize them, a troll, or just an idiot?

Nooooooo..... Vote McCain

[heavenlyboy34]

Nooooooo..... Vote McCain

A troll, as I suspected. Now, where's that troll killer spray? :confused:

[torchbearer]

A troll, as I suspected. Now, where's that troll killer spray? :confused:

Use the ignore function.

[EndTheFed]

Use the ignore function.

Use the Kiss my ass function... :D

[Andrew-Austin]

I shit on this thread.


To the op...forget it. Some of us have tried logic in here and it doesn't work. The only way they are going to get it is when The Komrade wins and destroys the rest of the freedom we have and the Liberty movement is tanked. Of course, then it will be too late...Tones

You haven't tried "logic" here Tones, you've tried nonsense.

EndTheFed has just went on my ignore list for being a complete hack.

[EndTheFed]

I shit on this thread.



You haven't tried "logic" here Tones, you've tried nonsense.

Noooooooo Vote McCain


Tones is correct...

[cheapseats]

For the government to give to some, it must take from others.
The forgotten man will revolt. (this is important to remember)


Of course. But he proposes to takes more from fewer in order to give some to more.

The forgotten man will be a Minority, though ballsier and better armed.




If you vote for McCain, you vote against the constitution.

Fine time to get all line-in-the-sand-ish about THAT. Patriot Act, unilateral war of aggression, domestic surveillance, torture, looting of the Treasury.

We are up to our eyeballs in crap that bears slight and sometimes no resemblance to the words and ideas found in, well, our Founding documents.

That will not be sorted out on Tuesday.




And you vote for the enslavement of our people by more big government. The same thing you will get from obama.
Two big government guys. Big and Bigger.

You bet. But I will argue that Big is better than Bigger, and that it remains incumbent upon us to minimize losses where possible.

Libertarians will argue that maximizing mayhem short term will minimize loss long term. But I will argue that that is like a kid playing a board game, who plots several moves ahead without considering that all the other pieces that comprise his great moves will not remain in place.




The quicker we can get to the point that Atlas shrugs the better.

True, if Congress would have held the line on NO BAIL OUTS!

But that is the problem. Congress does NOT hold the line. Obama's soaring rhetoric will fall like rain in a drought on the oh-so-agreeable ears of Democratic majorities in both Houses.

Believe me, I GET the argument of Fuck 'Em. I am THERE on Enough Is Enough. I am composing an essay on the advisability of the assembly of a Second Continental Congress concurrent with the inauguration of the next president.

Not voting and voting third party are principled positions. I only point out that, gross as he is, it can be argued that voting for McCain is AT LEAST as principled for being HARDER.

Ron Paul pulled together a focused and effective movement. Not effective enough, however. And Ron Paul seems to me to be deliberately receding from the limelight, not heading further into the fray. If he was unable to pull it off in this Fired Up For Change longest campaign ever, it is unlikely that he will be able to do so when he is four years older. I cannot imagine Libertarians engaging in the equivalent of the Democratic Demolition Derby, but I can SURELY imagine that the broader base of Third Party will have a dickens of a time settling on ONE candidate. If ALL those who detest the two-party stranglehold on American politics will not first agree on ONE alternative candidate, I apprehend that we are doomed to either Business As Usual or bloodshed.

[ClayTrainor]

To the op...forget it. Some of us have tried logic in here and it doesn't work. The only way they are going to get it is when The Komrade wins and destroys the rest of the freedom we have and the Liberty movement is tanked. Of course, then it will be too late...Tones

god your ignorant arrogance frustrates me more than anything else on this forums!!! :cool:

[Anti Federalist]

JohnWK wrote:


And I pity folks who are incapable or unwilling to evaluating existing circumstances and taking a path which allows them to remain in the fight. If Obama gets elected your future vote will amount to nothing, just as voting in Venezuela means nothing for those who oppose Hugo Chávez, and who operates a political machine very much like that of Chicago’s political machine, a political machinewhich put Obama were here is right now.

Venezuela has the natural resources, the "petro-dollars" to support a Chavez regime.

We do not. We are broke, in 12 trillion dollars of debt, we've de-industrialized to the point of having almost no industrial base left.

A socialist regime under Obama is doomed to collapse and failure, just like the USSR.

And at this point, I welcome it.

The best thing that could happen right now is for the empire of DC to collapse and fly apart.

JohnWK wrote:


You dont know anything about me, so dont assume what I have or have not done during the last 10 years.

You are here, moved over from the Hannity forums, shilling for McSame. That tells me plenty, enough that I don't have to assume anything.

You could not possibly care about privacy and intrusive databases and do that.

So, that being said, kiss my ass.

[Cleaner44]

Noooooooo Vote McCain


Tones is correct...

Neocon idiot, your boy McCain is going down! :D

[torchbearer]

Neocon idiot, your boy McCain is going down! :D

Neocons are getting desperate when they come shilling over here.
If McCain was way out in front.. they wouldn't bother.

[Cleaner44]

This is the STUPIDEST argument RP folks make...

Eat it Neocon, McCain is going to be crushed in the biggest landslide loss for a Republican in many many decades.

[torchbearer]

Eat it Neocon, McCain is going to be crushed in the biggest landslide loss for a Republican in many many decades.

+1

http://home.neo.rr.com/thesharktank/1984.gif

Neocons, get used to seeing this image.

[HenryKnoxFineBooks]

I'm in North Carolina. The presidential polls are very close with Obama at 49% and McCain at 46%. I'm voting for the candidate most committed to Liberty, and reducing the size of the Government. I'm voting Bob Barr.

[HenryKnoxFineBooks]

+1

http://home.neo.rr.com/thesharktank/1984.gif

Neocons, get used to seeing this image.

McCain wishes he could win DC or Minnesota!

[torchbearer]

McCain wishes he could win DC or Minnesota!

That was Reagan-Mondale.
Its about to become Obama-McCain.

[Imperial]

I agree with Diesler....the komrades are already pushing the Fairness doctrine which will shut down any dissenting voices, including yours. This is pure communism..and you are just too dull to see it. At least C4L is putting the good information about Komrade Obama on their site. Tones

The question is, will McCain really act fairly to our numbers? It was McCain's campaign, who in '00 was attempting to make some voice at the convention, that became police state supporters.

Ok, so Obama will push collectivisation and statism. Fine, McCain pushes militarism and statism. The funny thing is, Obama still wants to blow up pakistan. McCain still redistributes wealth with bailouts galore. McCain lost his respect on torture, voted for the FISA amendment, the patriot act, and more. Yet Obama is somehow worse?

I would actually say this is worse than communism. Instead, it is a slow descent into collectivisation. Communism itself, as an economic policy, isn't really negative or positive. However, when combined with statism it can be. This is when it is bad, when we don't see it happening. We slowly sink into the mudpit, and drown slowly. At least by allowing the opposition, people will see what is happening. It throws the cycle into shock. People actually bother to look into something, or are emboldened, either for or against. Either way, the tide is too unpredictable. However, an apathetic populace is predictable. It is reactionary at best, a mobocracy of idiocy at worst.

The best way to control a populace is not by outright tyranny and conquest as in 1984. Americans would reject that system. Neither would we accept a USSR planned economy. We know our principles, but they are distorted. By making us unsure and lacking convictions, we can be led as sheep.

Let me try this. In 04, was it worth it to vote for Bush over Kerry? If you said yes, slap yourself 20 times. Especially when looking back in hindsight. Had Kerry been elected, would we really have been free from the military and economic crises of today? No. And, GWB didn't stop or slow our descent I don't think(if anything, his policies helped accelerate them by irresponsibly allowing more lax policies for big banks and govt backers without allowing competition).

Do you think McCain will be any different? Remember, Bush started a new war in his first term in Iraq, and turned Afghanistan into a backwater of stagnant warfare.

I don't think Obama would be any different either. But that is my point. At some time, you must step back and reject what is happening. It will just slowly descend.

And so, I think Obama will be better to allow to win in that people will take a stand. They will go against or for. but will go and take a position. And when the people think critically, we will have the upper hand. So we must start early, and show that there is an alternative when people look back and ask what they should have done. Our votes for Barr, Baldwin, Nader, McKinney or any of the others show we have an alternative.

[torchbearer]

The question is, will McCain really act fairly to our numbers? It was McCain's campaign, who in '00 was attempting to make some voice at the convention, that became police state supporters.

Ok, so Obama will push collectivisation and statism. Fine, McCain pushes militarism and statism. The funny thing is, Obama still wants to blow up pakistan. McCain still redistributes wealth with bailouts galore. McCain lost his respect on torture, voted for the FISA amendment, the patriot act, and more. Yet Obama is somehow worse?

I would actually say this is worse than communism. Instead, it is a slow descent into collectivisation. Communism itself, as an economic policy, isn't really negative or positive. However, when combined with statism it can be. This is when it is bad, when we don't see it happening. We slowly sink into the mudpit, and drown slowly. At least by allowing the opposition, people will see what is happening. It throws the cycle into shock. People actually bother to look into something, or are emboldened, either for or against. Either way, the tide is too unpredictable. However, an apathetic populace is predictable. It is reactionary at best, a mobocracy of idiocy at worst.

The best way to control a populace is not by outright tyranny and conquest as in 1984. Americans would reject that system. Neither would we accept a USSR planned economy. We know our principles, but they are distorted. By making us unsure and lacking convictions, we can be led as sheep.

Let me try this. In 04, was it worth it to vote for Bush over Kerry? If you said yes, slap yourself 20 times. Especially when looking back in hindsight. Had Kerry been elected, would we really have been free from the military and economic crises of today? No. And, GWB didn't stop or slow our descent I don't think(if anything, his policies helped accelerate them by irresponsibly allowing more lax policies for big banks and govt backers without allowing competition).

Do you think McCain will be any different? Remember, Bush started a new war in his first term in Iraq, and turned Afghanistan into a backwater of stagnant warfare.

I don't think Obama would be any different either. But that is my point. At some time, you must step back and reject what is happening. It will just slowly descend.

And so, I think Obama will be better to allow to win in that people will take a stand. They will go against or for. but will go and take a position. And when the people think critically, we will have the upper hand. So we must start early, and show that there is an alternative when people look back and ask what they should have done. Our votes for Barr, Baldwin, Nader, McKinney or any of the others show we have an alternative.

+1
A communist disguised as a free market capitalist (mccain) would be far worse than a flaming communist (obama).
It will keep the people from getting confused... as they are now... that somehow obama is the sole communist in the race.

[robertwerden]

hey OP "go fuck your self" Dick Cheney on the floor of the senate

[moostraks]

god your ignorant arrogance frustrates me more than anything else on this forums!!! :cool:

You are not alone. I have not put anyone on ignore but seeing the term Komrade everytime I go through a thread or her all time favorite you are all communists followed by some drivel on vote McCain I am certainly hoping she will craw back under a rock soon!!!! These elections cannot be over soon enough. However, I fear that the neo-cons will stick around with nothing better to do but try to drive a wedge into those left and ignore will be the necessary evil to bypass the trash they spew...

[johnwk]

I shit on this thread.



.

Obama will shit on you.

Vote McCain

[johnwk]

So, that being said, kiss my ass.

You'll be kissing Obama's ass if you dont vote for McCain

[Theocrat]

Obama will shit on you.

Vote McCain

When has voting for the lesser of two evils ever helped our nation? Besides, this election is like trying to decide between voting for Adolf Hitler or Josef Stalin. No matter who wins, we all lose. It's like picking your own poison in a national attempt for inevitable suicide. It's like asking if we'd rather have our nation flushed down a toilet or a urinal. A vote for McCain is a vote for more warfare. A vote for Obama is a vote for more welfare. Ouch. God have mercy on us.

[johnwk]

god your ignorant arrogance frustrates me more than anything else on this forums!!! :cool:

If Obama gets to be president you'll be a lot more frustrated, especially when you find elections will no longer mean a thing because they, and the media, will be totally controlled.

Wake up and smell the Hugo Chávez coffee.

[torchbearer]

If Obama gets to be president you'll be a lot more frustrated, especially when you find elections will no longer mean a thing because they, and the media, will be totally controlled.

Wake up and smell the Hugo Chávez coffee.

Fear mongering doesn't work with intellectuals.
Go spread your fear on the ignorant.
Try the hannity forum or johnmccainforum

[johnwk]

When has voting for the lesser of two evils ever helped our nation? Besides, this election is like trying to decide between voting for Adolf Hitler or Josef Stalin. No matter who wins, we all lose. It's like picking your own poison in a national attempt for inevitable suicide. It's like asking if we'd rather have our nation flushed down a toilet or a urinal. A vote for McCain is a vote for more warfare. A vote for Obama is a vote for more welfare. Ouch. God have mercy on us.


I almost fully agree with you. However, if McCain is elected I believe our election process will still be fairly in tact. If Obama is elected, you can kiss our election process goodbye! That is the difference I see!

Regards,

JWK

Black working people who support Obama are absolutely correct when they say, as a general statement, “its all about the Benjamins”. But they seem to be easily conned into surrendering the “Benjamins“ they earn to "agents of change" who merely seek to change the faces of those holding political plum jobs within the inner circle of the Washington Establishment. Do black voters not realize they will be betrayed by Obama's "agents of change“ if Obama is elected and remain tax slaves ___ useful to work and pay taxes to feed political plum job holders on our federal plantation?

[johnwk]

Fear mongering doesn't work with intellectuals.
Go spread your fear on the ignorant.


You mean like ACORN is spreading dead people's votes?

JWK


As nightfall does not come at once, neither does oppression. In both instances there is a twilight where everything remains seemingly unchanged. And it is in such twilight that we all must be aware of change in the air - however slight - lest we become unwitting victims of darkness.___Supreme Court Justice William Douglas

[Andrew-Austin]

Obama will shit on you.

Vote McCain

McCain will shit on you after you vote for him.

You advocate McCain shitting on you and your family. Sad.

My vote will never be based on fear.




I almost fully agree with you. However, if McCain is elected I believe our election process will still be fairly in tact. If Obama is elected, you can kiss our election process goodbye! That is the difference I see!


That is just a theory. And not a good one, considering both McCain and Obama are controlled by the same puppet masters.

[jmdrake]

John McCain = Barack Obama = George W. Bush

The "lesser of two evils" argument died a well deserved death when:

1) BOTH McCain AND Obama backed the bailout
2) McCain sought to make a "joint statement about the economy" with Barack Obama.

There is no difference between the two. The both suck. Voting for either one is voting for more of the same. I will vote 3rd party and if there were no decent third party candidates then I would not vote for president this time around.

Regards,

John M. Drake

[jmdrake]

If Obama gets to be president you'll be a lot more frustrated, especially when you find elections will no longer mean a thing because they, and the media, will be totally controlled.

Wake up and smell the Hugo Chávez coffee.

Hugo Chavez, as bad as he is, is the ONLY thing holding back the Free Trade Area of the Americas. God bless his socialist behind.

Regards,

John M. Drake

[ClayTrainor]

If Obama gets to be president you'll be a lot more frustrated, especially when you find elections will no longer mean a thing because they, and the media, will be totally controlled.

I foresee this happening regardless of who gets into office, and regardless of what platform they are running on.


Wake up and smell the Hugo Chávez coffee.

Yea... go cast a vote into the 2 party dictatorship and show that you still support being a sheep, and are okay with coke and pepsi.

If it weren't for the ignorance of people like yourself and Tones, 3rd parties would have such a better shot at making an impact.

I truly hope people like you wake up one day and realize you're playing right into the MSM party politics game. I've heard many obama supporters begging paul supporters to keep McCain out of office too.

Im not gonna listen to either of the ignorant 2 party dictatorship supporters, like yourself.

[klamath]

The OP is so right! Now I am so thankful that I wrote in REPUBLICAN Ron Paul:D

[bunklocoempire]

This thread is:
http://www.mn12.org/images/misc/comicbookguy-worst-thread-ever.jpg

And:

http://imgdump.info/data/media/46/Truck%20of%20Fail.jpg



HUZZAH!!! I like the "Massive Truck of Fail", must be getting old, I haven't heard that one!

I'm voting third party, I'm an American, I'm armed, and I aint scared.:)

Globalists or our Country, tough choice.:rolleyes:

Bunkloco

[Anti Federalist]

You'll be kissing Obama's ass if you dont vote for McCain

The day is rapidly coming, where the vocal and small minority of true patriots will be done, once and for all, with kissing the ass of the system, which is what a vote for either one of these NWO sluts is.

[anaconda]

Like Mainstream Media, you would call the election early?

Of course not. I'm voting third party.

[driller80545]

If Obama gets to be president you'll be a lot more frustrated, especially when you find elections will no longer mean a thing because they, and the media, will be totally controlled.

Wake up and smell the Hugo Chávez coffee.

The elections and the media are already totally controlled and have been for several decades. Wake up and smell the CFR coffee.

[Young Paleocon]

Vote for McCain? Honestly?....McCain-Feingold? McCain-Kennedy? War in Iraq? Bomb bomb bomb Iran? Honestly? Choose between pinko commie or neo-con fascist? I'll vote for a pile of shit before I compromise my principles and aid either one of these two getting into office. I mean these two!!!!!!Prepare people, one wants to by your mortgages the other.....well who knows? Somewhere along a boat full of immigrants from Europe brought over these asinine ideas of socialism, dipshit thoughts about central planning, and that government is magical. Now these two candidates are the fruition of these baseless ideas. Enjoy folks...It's going to be a ride.

[angelatc]

To the op...forget it. Some of us have tried logic in here and it doesn't work. The only way they are going to get it is when The Komrade wins and destroys the rest of the freedom we have and the Liberty movement is tanked. Of course, then it will be too late...Tones


To continue to bray that Ron Paul is wrong and you are right is asinine.


If McCain wind half of the undecided states, he loses. If Obama wins 2 of the big undecided states, he wins.

There is not s single poll, anywhere, that shows him even close to winning the electoral vote.

You are helping nobody and accomplishing nothing by voting for McCain.

THere is no logic to your vote. At least I have princicples, and those principles are not to vote for a war mongering, economically challenged RINO Democrat that sneered at Ron Paul through the entire debates.

You're only embarrassing yourself with your nonsensical pathetic attempts to convince us all that somehow you're wiser than all of us put together, and it's a shame that you are too thick to realize it.

For the love of God and all that is good in this world, give it a break already.

[angelatc]

You mean like ACORN is spreading dead people's votes?

JWK

Sheesh. You can't even get your conspiracies straight.

ACORN is getting live people to vote several times.

The Chicago Democrats get dead people to vote

The California Democrats get dogs to vote.

The GOP trumps them all with the software cheats.

[moostraks]

The elections and the media are already totally controlled and have been for several decades. Wake up and smell the CFR coffee.

:D

[moostraks]

The day is rapidly coming, where the vocal and small minority of true patriots will be done, once and for all, with kissing the ass of the system, which is what a vote for either one of these NWO sluts is.

Amen!:D

[Cap]

My personal opinion is that voting for McCain will give those who are not happy with either Obama/McCain or the Republican/Democrat party leadership will give us time to regroup, unite, and try to increase our numbers.

Go back to FreeRepublic Neocon.

[acptulsa]

Go back to FreeRepublic Neocon.

Yeah, pretty much. Though it could just be wishful thinking. But to make a long story short, nothing but nothing will cause the G.O.P. rank and file to stop and change direction but a fat, juicy, nasty, ugly loss.

Just like an abuser, they won't stop doing what they always do as long as they keep getting what they want. But take away their candy and they'll reinvent themselves before you know it.

[TruthisTreason]

Voting for a third party candidate at this time when one of only two candidates will win the election [McCain/Obama] , would be wasting your vote and endangering your political freedoms. My personal opinion is that voting for McCain will give those who are not happy with either Obama/McCain or the Republican/Democrat party leadership will give us time to regroup, unite, and try to increase our numbers. I see Obama as a very frightening and dangerous choice, and if elected would work to undermine the very core of our election process by silencing opposition! He must be stopped for no other reason than to save our election process, and here is why.


Obama/Ayers Update: Obama Campaign Unleashes “Turbas” on WGN Radio Host (http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/08/28/obamaayers-update-obama-campaign-harasses-wgn-radio-host/)

Obama Campaign Tries to Shut Down Chicago Radio Show (http://www.stoptheaclu.com/archives/2008/08/28/obama-campaign-tries-to-shut-down-chicago-radio-show/)

Intimidation Tactics (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,414662,00.html)

SHUT UP, THEY EXPLAINED (AGAIN) (http://www.620wtmj.com/shows/charliesykes/27599369.html?blog=y)

Heck, even Hillary supporters say that Obama’s brown shirt tactics used on WGN are “unreal“ (http://www.hillaryclintonforum.net/discussion/showpost.php?p=343577&postcount=4) and “bully-boy tactics“.

Government computers used to find information on Joe the Plumber (http://www.dispatch.com/live/content/local_news/stories/2008/10/24/joe.html?sid=101)


Well, that’s just a taste of Chicago’s corrupt political machine in action which will swarm into Washington if Obama is elected. SEE:
A presidential debate, the Chicago Way (http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/opinion/chi-kass-0510,0,7245642.column)



As I correctly stated, it’s very scary that many who support Obama don’t understand the Chicago political machine and how it works if put into power. It immediately begins to use all available government resources to snuff out political opposition. ACORN is only a small example!


JWK

Wake up and smell the Hugo Chávez coffee.


Screw the sheeple that vote for a or b, I'm a wolf. In my eyes, all those voting for McCain are WASTING THEIR VOTE! Anybody who voted for Gore or Kerry "wasted" their vote. My vote would be wasted on voting for the lesser of two evils and not voting for the candidate that most closely represents my political ideology.

[EndTheFed]

god your ignorant arrogance frustrates me more than anything else on this forums!!! :cool:

Hey... go train some clay.... it would be more beneficial... :D

[EndTheFed]

You are not alone. I have not put anyone on ignore but seeing the term Komrade everytime I go through a thread or her all time favorite you are all communists followed by some drivel on vote McCain I am certainly hoping she will craw back under a rock soon!!!! These elections cannot be over soon enough. However, I fear that the neo-cons will stick around with nothing better to do but try to drive a wedge into those left and ignore will be the necessary evil to bypass the trash they spew...

I have never seen a group drive so many wedges in itself since I left church...

[EndTheFed]

Fear mongering doesn't work with intellectuals.
Go spread your fear on the ignorant.
Try the hannity forum or johnmccainforum

Oh you are Soooooo intellectual... Bahhhhh ha ha!!!!

Where is your MENSA credentials... hehe

[EndTheFed]

John McCain = Barack Obama = George W. Bush

The "lesser of two evils" argument died a well deserved death when:

1) BOTH McCain AND Obama backed the bailout
2) McCain sought to make a "joint statement about the economy" with Barack Obama.

There is no difference between the two. The both suck. Voting for either one is voting for more of the same. I will vote 3rd party and if there were no decent third party candidates then I would not vote for president this time around.

Regards,

John M. Drake

There IS a difference when it comes to the Supreme court and Obama is a socialist

[EndTheFed]

Vote for McCain? Honestly?....McCain-Feingold? McCain-Kennedy? War in Iraq? Bomb bomb bomb Iran? Honestly? Choose between pinko commie or neo-con fascist? I'll vote for a pile of shit before I compromise my principles and aid either one of these two getting into office. I mean these two!!!!!!Prepare people, one wants to by your mortgages the other.....well who knows? Somewhere along a boat full of immigrants from Europe brought over these asinine ideas of socialism, dipshit thoughts about central planning, and that government is magical. Now these two candidates are the fruition of these baseless ideas. Enjoy folks...It's going to be a ride.

You might end up eating that pile of shit...

[EndTheFed]

To continue to bray that Ron Paul is wrong and you are right is asinine.


If McCain wind half of the undecided states, he loses. If Obama wins 2 of the big undecided states, he wins.

There is not s single poll, anywhere, that shows him even close to winning the electoral vote.

You are helping nobody and accomplishing nothing by voting for McCain.

THere is no logic to your vote. At least I have princicples, and those principles are not to vote for a war mongering, economically challenged RINO Democrat that sneered at Ron Paul through the entire debates.

You're only embarrassing yourself with your nonsensical pathetic attempts to convince us all that somehow you're wiser than all of us put together, and it's a shame that you are too thick to realize it.

For the love of God and all that is good in this world, give it a break already.

You are a [Personal insult redacted by Moderator]...

[LibertyEagle]

http://zapfu.com/files/uv4g7ximz89rp4l3edz3.jpg (http://zapfu.com/)
http://zapfu.com/files/nf996o5ke0ptyx9j2x3r.jpg (http://zapfu.com/)

Oooooooohhhh... Those are good. :D

[123tim]

My personal opinion is that voting for McCain will give those who are not happy with either Obama/McCain or the Republican/Democrat party leadership will give us time to regroup, unite, and try to increase our numbers.



John,

I mean no offense, but I won't be rewarding the Republican Party for their actions (during the Primary season) which gave us the Republican choice that we have now.

The Republican party is right on track with where they need to go.

I fully believe that the Republican Party is working to get Obama into office and I won't be playing this game anymore.

I'm from the "BattleGround" of Pennsylvania.

I've voted mostly Republican for all of my life. No more. It's third party for me this year.

[LibertyEagle]

There IS a difference when it comes to the Supreme court and Obama is a socialist

Here's a newsflash for you. SO IS MCCAIN.

[EndTheFed]

You are a [Personal insult redacted by Moderator]...

You redacted MY comment with all the insults that have been sent my way?

How fucking rediculous...

[EndTheFed]

Here's a newsflash for you. SO IS MCCAIN.


Here's a newsflash for you. He is Nowhere near the socialist that obama is and he will be MUCH better for the supreme court and the liberty movement.

[acptulsa]

You redacted MY comment with all the insults that have been sent my way?

How fucking rediculous...

No more ridiculous than your constant, stubborn, brainless spamming. Supreme Court nominations, Supreme Court nominations, Supreme Court nominations--both parties are prone to nominate justices that ignore some part of the Bill of Rights or another, so we need balance there--and we are now just a little heavy on Republican nominees, so...

You are now the most ridiculed poster on the forum, I do believe, edging out both tones and JTL. Congratulations! Or, if you don't think this reason to be congratulated, you might consider doing two things. First, develop some fresh arguments and abandon the ones that have been refuted repeatedly, or at least are breaking no ice with us. Secondly, learn how to spell!

And, by the way, nothing but nothing is more "rediculous" than trying to sell your position by insulting all the people you're trying to sway... :rolleyes: Much less insisting that "im smertr then yew"...

[LibertyEagle]

Here's a newsflash for you. He is Nowhere near the socialist that obama is and he will be MUCH better for the supreme court and the liberty movement.

I won't vote for either and I doubt many on this site will.

You go ahead and vote your conscience and let everyone else do the same.

[Young Paleocon]

Here's a newsflash for you. He is Nowhere near the socialist that obama is and he will be MUCH better for the supreme court and the liberty movement.

Yes he is twinkle toes, "I wanna buy up all of your mortgages so you can stay in your houses!"......weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee, i want it to rain money but that won't fix the problem either. He's a nonsensical ass bag. I mean come on lets face it.....he may be a war hero but he is a dumbass. He will be the puppet of the same people who direct Bush, so we will only see more of the past magic that these so called conservatives have performed. These two choices are not optional. They compromise everything, and if you don't vote principles then you waste your vote end of story. He is a socialist because he has no philosophic beliefs in capitalism, he doesn't follow the constitution, so he is prone to go whichever way the wind blows. So enjoy voting for McCain if thats what you feel you need to do to contain the red storm. I won't be.

[pcosmar]

Yeah, well,,,

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3071/2574761715_1a8640942b_o.jpg


Welcome to the New World Order.
It really does not make any difference witch you chose. The both have the SAME puppet masters.

[EndTheFed]

No more ridiculous than your constant, stubborn, brainless spamming. Supreme Court nominations, Supreme Court nominations, Supreme Court nominations--both parties are prone to nominate justices that ignore some part of the Bill of Rights or another, so we need balance there--and we are now just a little heavy on Republican nominees, so...

You are now the most ridiculed poster on the forum, I do believe, edging out both tones and JTL. Congratulations! Or, if you don't think this reason to be congratulated, you might consider doing two things. First, develop some fresh arguments and abandon the ones that have been refuted repeatedly, or at least are breaking no ice with us. Secondly, learn how to spell!

And, by the way, nothing but nothing is more "rediculous" than trying to sell your position by insulting all the people you're trying to sway... :rolleyes: Much less insisting that "im smertr then yew"...

For the record.... I started posting to this forum pleading with the forum to be more tolorent, to use a little wisdom in trying to grow the movement. I was saying we need to not do things like throw snowballs at one of the most listened to talk show hosts in america.

Then people found out that I have a different opinion about what to do in THIS ELECTION and I have gotten NOTHING but ridicule and criticism from this forum.

I tried to talk to people and tried reasoning to explain MY POSITION and got hammered.

Well my attitude has changed since being so criticized and ridiculed, accused of being a troll, a shill, a neo-con and nothing could be further from the truth.. I am all for the liberty movement but the liberty movement is built of people from varios back grounds and if they cant get over it (the issues that are not liberty related), it will never go anywhere.

I am beginning to understand some of the view outside peopl have of this group. It is kinda like church and granola... You take away the fruit and nuts and all you have left is the flakes.

Maybe some of my attitude is just your "blowback"

:D

[yokna7]

spoken like a true sheep.

[acptulsa]

Maybe some of my attitude is just your "blowback"

And did you experience quite a lot of this intolerance from the first? Because I, for one, didn't start slamming you until you, one, repeated yourself to the ad naseum point and, two, started adding a nice insult to your every post.

I have been watching the powers that be defend the major party duopoly for decades now, and the strategy has been the same right along. First comes the lesser of evils emergency now divisive scare tactics and then comes the derision over wated votes and the general insults. You fit that mold so perfectly that you really shouldn't blame us for wondering if you can think for yourself...

Blowback indeed.

Yes, we need to be tolerant of and patient with people still caught up in the false dichotomy of the two party system when we're 'in public'. Many of us like this place because we can let our hair down here. It is like a virtual hearth and home for the disaffected. You would never say something nice about Obama as a general rule, but if you found yourself in his house for some reason would you hold your tongue until you left?

[pcosmar]

This guy does have some interesting artwork.

http://www.rense.com/1.imagesH/deesvote.jpg

http://www.rense.com/1.mpicons/dees1.htm
I don't think I agree with all his positions, But he nails some.

[EndTheFed]

And did you experience quite a lot of this intolerance from the first? Because I, for one, didn't start slamming you until you, one, repeated yourself to the ad naseum point and, two, started adding a nice insult to your every post.


I did not start repeating myself until people found out that I had a different opinion about what to do in this election and I found there was NO tolerance for a different opinion with out being called a troll, a neo-con and a shill. If you check my post (I have a copy of them all if you need them), you would see that during the primaries I spent a lot of time getting RP good press. I spent two weeks trying to get a rep for RP in a local radio debate wich was going to not have him in it unless he got 1000 e-mails. Because of MY efforts they got them and he was represented. I did not start adding insult (not on every post) after many many many accusations of this type. My attitude has very much changed.



I have been watching the powers that be defend the major party duopoly for decades now, and the strategy has been the same right along. First comes the lesser of evils emergency now divisive scare tactics and then comes the derision over wated votes and the general insults. You fit that mold so perfectly that you really shouldn't blame us for wondering if you can think for yourself...


I think for myself as much if not more than most here. I understand your points about the "stategies" of the two parties but this year like it or not we have to deal with the way things are and try to change things.

You know if someone is in the middle of the road and someone tells them they need to get out of the road, they can call it a scare tactic if they wish but if there is a mack truck coming it wont end up pretty.



Blowback indeed.


Where did it start? Check the record and you will find that the insults started with people from this forum not me... I can provide copies if you like...



Yes, we need to be tolerant of and patient with people still caught up in the false dichotomy of the two party system when we're 'in public'. Many of us like this place because we can let our hair down here. It is like a virtual hearth and home for the disaffected. You would never say something nice about Obama as a general rule, but if you found yourself in his house for some reason would you hold your tongue until you left?

I am NOT caught up in a "false dichotomy". As I have said before... some people here are caught up in a "false reality" IN THIS ELECTION there is a real choice betweene two and two only. Of course I understand that there several other knobs you can pull in the voting booth but they are USELESS this election... We need to be building the movement and working to making a difference in the future, not tearing each other apart which I again point out that tit started out on YOUR SIDE meaning.people here not you in particular.

[acptulsa]

I am NOT caught up in a "false dichotomy". As I have said before... some people here are caught up in a "false reality" IN THIS ELECTION there is a real choice betweene two and two only. Of course I understand that there several other knobs you can pull in the voting booth but they are USELESS this election... We need to be building the movement and working to making a difference in the future.

The future. The future is what the people you're railing against are thinking about. You call it a real choice, but many do not. You have even admitted that your judge and justice appointments argument isn't the strongest case that was ever made in history. Many of us are thinking about the future. We are going to have to break the stranglehold on power.

The future is a journey. A journey of a thousand miles begins with a single step. That single step has got to be a step out of the same old comfortable circle or it won't be a journey at all. Will it?

It's hard to break the mold when you're still confined within the mold.

[pcosmar]

I am NOT caught up in a "false dichotomy". As I have said before... some people here are caught up in a "false reality" IN THIS ELECTION there is a real choice betweene two and two only. Of course I understand that there several other knobs you can pull in the voting booth but they are USELESS this election... We need to be building the movement and working to making a difference in the future, not tearing each other apart which I again point out that tit started out on YOUR SIDE meaning.people here not you in particular.

You are actually quite wrong in thinking there is any substantial difference between the two parties.

They are set up to give a FALSE sense of choice. The same Powerbrokers, money and philosophies are running both candidates.
There is NO choice.

It is moot anyway, The "election ' is a sham, a circus show. The decision has already been made.
You can rant and rave and vote any way you like and it will NOT change the pre-decided result.

I will be voting,
NOT to send a message
NOT to change the result
NOT because I hope for a win

Just for a clear conscience

I expect Obama to win. I believe that McCain was pushed into the position to lose.
I believe things will get much worse.

[EndTheFed]

The future. The future is what the people you're railing against are thinking about. You call it a real choice, but many do not. You have even admitted that your judge and justice appointments argument isn't the strongest case that was ever made in history. Many of us are thinking about the future. We are going to have to break the stranglehold on power.

The future is a journey. A journey of a thousand miles begins with a single step. That single step has got to be a step out of the same old comfortable circle or it won't be a journey at all. Will it?

It's hard to break the mold when you're still confined within the mold.

I have not railed against anyone... Check the record.. I have defended MY position. I have gotten frustrated in the last week or two and begun to have a different attitude.

I noticed you did not respond to my point about blowback in the last post.

It started on the other side. I probably would not be the "pest" that some here think I am if they had had the attitude that I started out with of respecting others different opinion. Check the record. It was fine for others to have a different opinion thatn mine but that did not mean I would not give my reasonoing. I would give my reasoning. Instead of others respectfully going well we are just going to have to disagree which is what I did... I have the record... there would be ridicule.

This has worn on me and now there is blowback, blowback indeed!

[Andrew-Austin]

I have not railed against anyone... Check the record.. I have defended MY position. I have gotten frustrated in the last week or two and begun to have a different attitude.

I noticed you did not respond to my point about blowback in the last post.

It started on the other side. I probably would not be the "pest" that some here think I am if they had had the attitude that I started out with of respecting others different opinion. Check the record. It was fine for others to have a different opinion thatn mine but that did not mean I would not give my reasonoing. I would give my reasoning. Instead of others respectfully going well we are just going to have to disagree which is what I did... I have the record... there would be ridicule.

This has worn on me and now there is blowback, blowback indeed!

You've been talking about how its best to vote for McCain for what seems like weeks. We've all heard your opinion, and we strongly disagree. Why can't you just drop it? You think anyone else but you wants to carry on the lesser of two evils conversation, and beat the dead horse? No. Why do some people feel like they have to spam this board until everyone agrees with them?

[acptulsa]

I noticed you did not respond to my point about blowback in the last post.

O.K., I'll do it.

Are we there yet are we there yet are we there yet are we there yet are we there yet are we there yet are we there yet are we there yet are we there yet are we there yet are we there yet are we there yet are we there yet are we there yet...

...

...

...

[EndTheFed]

You are actually quite wrong in thinking there is any substantial difference between the two parties.

They are set up to give a FALSE sense of choice. The same Powerbrokers, money and philosophies are running both candidates.
There is NO choice.

It is moot anyway, The "election ' is a sham, a circus show. The decision has already been made.
You can rant and rave and vote any way you like and it will NOT change the pre-decided result.

I will be voting,
NOT to send a message
NOT to change the result
NOT because I hope for a win

Just for a clear conscience

I expect Obama to win. I believe that McCain was pushed into the position to lose.
I believe things will get much worse.

I am not naive. I know about two wings of the same bird. hand puppets on the same person yada yada... there are varing degrees of the conspiracy theories and I understand them. I copletele agree with some of them and disagree with others. But to fall into blindly repeat RP type speak. I dothing that there are substantial differences in the two parties. I don't completely agree wit5h either...


And you are welcome to do this... I just want to have the same respect for my opinion. I do not HAVE to have agreement.

[EndTheFed]

You've been talking about how its best to vote for McCain for what seems like weeks. We've all heard your opinion, and we strongly disagree. Why can't you just drop it? You think anyone else but you wants to carry on the lesser of two evils conversation, and beat the dead horse? No. Why do some people feel like they have to spam this board until everyone agrees with them?

This is Bullshit

[EndTheFed]

O.K., I'll do it.

Are we there yet are we there yet are we there yet are we there yet are we there yet are we there yet are we there yet are we there yet are we there yet are we there yet are we there yet are we there yet are we there yet are we there yet...

...

...

...

:D Not a very good response.... The Blowback started with people here.

[Andrew-Austin]

This is Bullshit

Bullshit? Mate whenever someone mentions the name McCain you go into spam mode. If anything you have been trying to defend your view in other peoples eyes. You think I give a shit if you vote for McCain, and think everyone else should do the same? No, I just don't want to hear about it constantly.

I go into one thread and see Tones rambling about the "the komrades", then I go into another thread and see Twooth Waryah squaking about having "no shepherds".

I'm just about done with the election at this point, can't wait until its over and this board can go on with more interesting conversations...

[acptulsa]

:D Not a very good response.... The Blowback started with people here.

I'm not at all surprised you feel this way. Total obliviousness is a common trait among neocons.

[jmdrake]

Calling anyone with an opposing view a Troll, aside from being immature, has been a hallmark of Obamamaniacs all season.

Calling anyone who disagrees with you an "Obamamaniac" is the hallmark of a neocon shill.

Any thread saying "You must vote McCain to block Obama" or "You must vote Obama to block McCain" is a troll thread based on the purpose of this forum. (Supporting Ron Paul and his positions). Ron Paul has clearly said he won't endorse McCain (or Obama for that matter) and frankly if he had endorsed either of those saps he would have lost 90% of his supporters. McCain said HE WANTED TO MAKE A JOINT STATEMENT ABOUT THE ECONOMY WITH BARACK OBAMA! So it's stupid to call one "socialist" and not the other. You want to make your own personal decision to vote McCain, Obama or Frosty the Snowman I don't care. Just don't berate others for not going along with your choice.

[EndTheFed]

I'm not at all surprised you feel this way. Total obliviousness is a common trait among neocons.


Ahhh you are subverting the point and not addressing the issue. So what group does that so I can have a name to call you?

[acptulsa]

Any thread saying "You must vote McCain to block Obama" or "You must vote Obama to block McCain" is a troll thread based on the purpose of this forum (supporting Ron Paul and his positions)... Just don't berate others for not going along with your choice.

And don't be surprised if you encounter 'blowback', either. Especially if you spam those who disagree (otherwise known around here as 'the majority') and/or call them idiots for not voting for someone they mistrust and despise.

[EndTheFed]

Calling anyone who disagrees with you an "Obamamaniac" is the hallmark of a neocon shill.

Any thread saying "You must vote McCain to block Obama" or "You must vote Obama to block McCain" is a troll thread based on the purpose of this forum. (Supporting Ron Paul and his positions). Ron Paul has clearly said he won't endorse McCain (or Obama for that matter) and frankly if he had endorsed either of those saps he would have lost 90% of his supporters. McCain said HE WANTED TO MAKE A JOINT STATEMENT ABOUT THE ECONOMY WITH BARACK OBAMA! So it's stupid to call one "socialist" and not the other. You want to make your own personal decision to vote McCain, Obama or Frosty the Snowman I don't care. Just don't berate others for not going along with your choice.


If you have not noticed, at least for me, I have not berated ANYONE for their choice. That doesnt mean I wont talk about it... but I am the one who has been berated for MY choice repeatedly... this is where the blowback started.

[EndTheFed]

And don't be surprised if you encounter 'blowback', either. Especially if you spam those who disagree (otherwise known around here as 'the majority') and/or call them idiots for not voting for someone they mistrust and despise.

I don't spam them... I respond when a vote for mccain is attacked...

[acptulsa]

If you have not noticed, at least for me, I have not berated ANYONE for their choice. That doesnt mean I wont talk about it... but I am the one who has been berated for MY choice repeatedly... this is where the blowback started.

Does this forum have a function where you can search all of ETF's posts for the word 'idiot'? If so, it would pull up a lot of hits...

ETF, spin it all you want. But, as Shakespeare said, to thine own self be true. Then you might learn how to be an influence rather than the nuisance you are being now.

[pcosmar]

I don't spam them... I respond when a vote for mccain is attacked...

A vote For McCain or Obama Is contrary to RON PAUL's position and advice.
On a Ron Paul forum you should expect a great deal of resistance to posting Contrary positions.

[moostraks]

Originally Posted by Andrew-Austin
You've been talking about how its best to vote for McCain for what seems like weeks. We've all heard your opinion, and we strongly disagree. Why can't you just drop it? You think anyone else but you wants to carry on the lesser of two evils conversation, and beat the dead horse? No. Why do some people feel like they have to spam this board until everyone agrees with them?




This is Bullshit

Uhh...No it's not and this is how a greater majority of long timers here feel if you and your McCain supporter spammer friends would stop shilling long enough would see.

I am sick and tired of coming on here to be assaulted with various character insults because I disagreed with you and your cohorts. I see enough of the two candidates of the single party system shoved down my throat on a daily basis. Being in Ohio, I cannot wait until this charade/fiasco is done with as I cannot listen or watch any form of media, have my phone sit silent, or open the mail without seeing or hearing about some reason I should vote for one from this one party system.ENOUGH!!

You have made your case and it does not hold water here. You have not been courteous in ages long enough that I certainly don't remember a point in which you did not make some allegation or malicious comment when someone disagreed with you on here, which seems to be every time you open your mouth as you seem to strive to be contentious. If you can't act like an adult the only blowback you will get is being on everyone's ignore list.

[EndTheFed]

Does this forum have a function where you can search all of ETF's posts for the word 'idiot'? If so, it would pull up a lot of hits...

ETF, spin it all you want. But, as Shakespeare said, to thine own self be true. Then you might learn how to be an influence rather than the nuisance you are being now.

Here is your list....

heavenlyboy34 Yesterday 04:16 PM He called me one
Cleaner44 Yesterday, 05:18 PM He called me one
EndTheFed 10-28-2008, 08:05 AM I said Then you, "my friend" are an idiot… tounge in cheek
EndTheFed 10-28-2008, 03:21 PM reaction to idiotic statement
EndTheFed 10-27-2008, 04:14 PM reaction to idiotic statement
DAFTEK 10-17-2008, 04:58 PM called me an idiot
RickyJ 10-06-2008, 07:47 AM called me one
EndTheFed 10-06-2008, 08:24 AM Talking about RP followers that through snowballs
EndTheFed 10-06-2008, 11:21 AM Talking about RP followers that through snowballs
EndTheFed 10-07-2008, 11:34 AM Your a fucking idiot… sarcastically after he said snowballs should have been rocks..
ClockwiseSpark 10-07-2008, 11:47 AM Called me an idiot and a troll
ClockwiseSpark 10-08-2008, 08:28 PM Called me an idiot
ClockwiseSpark 10-08-2008, 08:53 PM Called me an idiot
EndTheFed 10-16-2008, 08:36 AM to parke tounge in cheek
nodope0695 09-25-2008, 11:39 PM Bush is still a stammering idiot
Minuteman2008 09-26-2008, 05:53 AM Calls Palins handlers idiots
newyearsrevolution08 09-19-2008, 07:26 AM STUPID IDIOTIC ideas
purplechoe 09-19-2008, 02:53 PM calls me a fucking idiot
purplechoe 09-19-2008, 03:06 PM calls me a fucking idiot again


Notice my attitude has greatly changed since the attacks on me have started...

Very much change since I got RP rep on our local radio station...

[EndTheFed]

Does this forum have a function where you can search all of ETF's posts for the word 'idiot'? If so, it would pull up a lot of hits...

ETF, spin it all you want. But, as Shakespeare said, to thine own self be true. Then you might learn how to be an influence rather than the nuisance you are being now.

I am only doing what has been modeled for me here... It surely did not start out this way...

[EndTheFed]

A vote For McCain or Obama Is contrary to RON PAUL's position and advice.
On a Ron Paul forum you should expect a great deal of resistance to posting Contrary positions.

I did not know RP wanted us to be Nazi.... I have never seen him act that way...

[EndTheFed]

Uhh...No it's not and this is how a greater majority of long timers here feel if you and your McCain supporter spammer friends would stop shilling long enough would see.

I am sick and tired of coming on here to be assaulted with various character insults because I disagreed with you and your cohorts. I see enough of the two candidates of the single party system shoved down my throat on a daily basis. Being in Ohio, I cannot wait until this charade/fiasco is done with as I cannot listen or watch any form of media, have my phone sit silent, or open the mail without seeing or hearing about some reason I should vote for one from this one party system.ENOUGH!!

You have made your case and it does not hold water here. You have not been courteous in ages long enough that I certainly don't remember a point in which you did not make some allegation or malicious comment when someone disagreed with you on here, which seems to be every time you open your mouth as you seem to strive to be contentious. If you can't act like an adult the only blowback you will get is being on everyone's ignore list.

I am a long timer here too...

As I said... Check my post history... I was More than courteous for a LONG time.. I workled for RP I got his rep on local radio... my wife is a precint captain... What you see is a result of people here and their actions...

[moostraks]

From:http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?p=1136397#post1136397

EndTheFed January 31,2008

"For the record I am a LIFE LONG Republican, Supported George Bush (Both times), A super supporter of talk radio and Sean Hannity. I listen to Sean the first day on talk radio in Huntsville, AL. And on top of all this I have known about the Fed, The Tax issues, the CFR and the rest BUT what turns people away from thios stuff is when people start talking about George Bush being a reptilian...

We need to be careful who we ailanate. The BEST thing I see about the revolution so far is the diversity of people in this movement.

BTW, I have lost complete respect for Sean and FOX news through this election process. I am now an avid CNN watcher... They seem to be some what better now."

You need to get off of FOX news. It appears you have slipped back into your familiar zone and as we keep calling you on it you get shriller and shriller. We called you a neo-con shill because it is apparent in your responses. You lack original thought and you spout the same views anyone would hear on their local fox news affiliate. It is a shame you have lost your way because it looked like you tried to buck the system for a brief point in time.

I went through about 5 pages of recent posts and saw nothing but hate towards those disenting views and pro-McCain propaganda. So I decided to give you a chance and see if you were every really as you claim to be a pro-liberty supporter. I think you have been Republican so long you can't realize the need to break the chain. You let them fill your head with crap and the longer you listen the more they drew you back in with their fear-mongering propaganda against Obama.

You seem to have been consistently rude to anyone who differs in view with you so no large personality change there. Stop making this out to be a recent change on your part in berating people. You are the one returning to the same trough to feed at in the republican party. For those of us here most of us seek liberty and it doesn't matter what banner that comes under. You seemed more concerned with the republican party....

[s35wf]

I poop on this thread (the OP).

i second that! :D

[EndTheFed]

From:http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?p=1136397#post1136397

EndTheFed January 31,2008

"For the record I am a LIFE LONG Republican, Supported George Bush (Both times), A super supporter of talk radio and Sean Hannity. I listen to Sean the first day on talk radio in Huntsville, AL. And on top of all this I have known about the Fed, The Tax issues, the CFR and the rest BUT what turns people away from thios stuff is when people start talking about George Bush being a reptilian...

We need to be careful who we ailanate. The BEST thing I see about the revolution so far is the diversity of people in this movement.

BTW, I have lost complete respect for Sean and FOX news through this election process. I am now an avid CNN watcher... They seem to be some what better now."

You need to get off of FOX news. It appears you have slipped back into your familiar zone and as we keep calling you on it you get shriller and shriller. We called you a neo-con shill because it is apparent in your responses. You lack original thought and you spout the same views anyone would hear on their local fox news affiliate. It is a shame you have lost your way because it looked like you tried to buck the system for a brief point in time.

I went through about 5 pages of recent posts and saw nothing but hate towards those disenting views and pro-McCain propaganda. So I decided to give you a chance and see if you were every really as you claim to be a pro-liberty supporter. I think you have been Republican so long you can't realize the need to break the chain. You let them fill your head with crap and the longer you listen the more they drew you back in with their fear-mongering propaganda against Obama.

You seem to have been consistently rude to anyone who differs in view with you so no large personality change there. Stop making this out to be a recent change on your part in berating people. You are the one returning to the same trough to feed at in the republican party. For those of us here most of us seek liberty and it doesn't matter what banner that comes under. You seemed more concerned with the republican party....


I have copies of ALL my posts... the change came at a VERY WELL defined point.

The change happen when it became clear RP was out of the running and It came up in a post That I felt McCain (who i dont like) was the best choice for THIS ELECTION.


I make my own decision... I do not decide because FOX News or the republican party...

Why dont you find the first post you say Ibecame "consistently rude".

I started out saying the movement needed to try to NOT be rude to people... The change came whe I received so much ridicule, dis respect and un called for crap from people on here.

[EndTheFed]

Well,

I will be starting my own place where the likes of me are ok and respected

anyone interested it is not quite ready yet but coming along...

it is at http://wethepeoplespace.com

since yall want me gone so bad...

[Wendi]

Voting for a third party candidate at this time when one of only two candidates will win the election [McCain/Obama] , would be wasting your vote and endangering your political freedoms. Voting for someone I don't really want to win, is wasting my vote IMHO. The way I see it, McCain and Obama are equally dangerous to FREEDOM (all of it, not just political). So no, I won't be voting for either of them. If you consider that a waste, then I'm sorry, but you won't guilt me into voting for someone that is openly hostile against everything I believe.

[moostraks]

I am a long timer here too...

As I said... Check my post history... I was More than courteous for a LONG time.. I workled for RP I got his rep on local radio... my wife is a precint captain... What you see is a result of people here and their actions...

Fine!

Courteous my butt it has always been about what you want and you will be nice but just like southerners always seem to come across. It is mostly just to weazel and manipulate (my apologies to those non-jerk southerners you are a rare breed!).

In lieu of going though all of your whining for support and in skimming posts it seems that it didn't take you long (a month?) to spout off this one:

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?p=1255200#post1255200
02-12-2008, 09:27 PM
EndTheFed
Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2008
Posts: 877



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"You people obviously dont get it.... it is not all about Ron Paul and this election... it is a movement to acomplish our goals. if you are too stupid to see this then just shut up and go away.... if you can't be supportive.. "

Then a bit more nicey nicey excepting picking at George and then you disappear and re-appear toting the republican water. What happened did they send you to re-education camp or was it just too many nights of listening to that hack Hannity?
Now that you are back on the republican bandwagon you think you can come back and shove mccain down our throats and we are supposed to just go along with it? Apparently you don't accept the fact we are still a diverse group and for you it was all about the republican party. Well sucks to be you....

Might want to be sure next time before you going telling folks to piss off and look at your posting history. Some of us just might take you up on the offer.

[EndTheFed]

Fine!

Courteous my butt it has always been about what you want and you will be nice but just like southerners always seem to come across. It is mostly just to weazel and manipulate (my apologies to those non-jerk southerners you are a rare breed!).

In lieu of going though all of your whining for support and in skimming posts it seems that it didn't take you long (a month?) to spout off this one:

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?p=1255200#post1255200
02-12-2008, 09:27 PM
EndTheFed
Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2008
Posts: 877



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"You people obviously dont get it.... it is not all about Ron Paul and this election... it is a movement to acomplish our goals. if you are too stupid to see this then just shut up and go away.... if you can't be supportive.. "

Then a bit more nicey nicey excepting picking at George and then you disappear and re-appear toting the republican water. What happened did they send you to re-education camp or was it just too many nights of listening to that hack Hannity?
Now that you are back on the republican bandwagon you think you can come back and shove mccain down our throats and we are supposed to just go along with it? Apparently you don't accept the fact we are still a diverse group and for you it was all about the republican party. Well sucks to be you....

Might want to be sure next time before you going telling folks to piss off and look at your posting history. Some of us just might take you up on the offer.

You must have missed the posts where i was gathering support for getting the RP rep on the radio... I had been here a while and as I said I put up with a lot of shit before I started responding in kind... BUT IT WAS IN RESPONSE....