Obama: "The Constitution is Flawed"

[Patriot123]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=11OhmY1obS4

HOW can this man possibly have the support of a majority of this nation? HOW has he gotten this far? WHY is this man not being tried for treason? This man will destroy our Constitution, and no one seems to even care. Aught' to put him up with Hitler, Stalin and Mussolini.

[Andrew-Austin]

Did he say why it was, what in the constitution is flawed? I can't watch the vid now.

[Patriot123]

Sort of. Not quite. Here's what he said... I'll type it up.

"The Constitution reflected an enormous blind spot in this culture that carries on until day, and, uh, the framers had this same blind spot. I don't think that the two views are contradictory to say that it was a remarkable political document that paved the way for where we are now, and to that it also reflected the fundamental flaw of this country that continues to this day."

This man is Stalin in disguise.

[Zippyjuan]

The piece is too short- there is no indication of just what he was trying to discuss. We need context. What did he consider to be flawed in the Constitution? This is worthless.

It was from a program on "Slavery and the Constitution" on a Chicago Public Radio station in September of 2001:
http://apps.wbez.org/blog/?p=372#comment-875
Click by the arrow to play an audio portion of the show (it was a radio call-in show). The referenced comment starts about 6:30. The original question comes about 4:00 in with another guest answering first- UIC historian Richard John. He only refers to how the Constitution treated slavery. He does not say the overall document itself is flawed.

[yongrel]

Oh please. Let's have some context before we crucify anyone. Right now, the OP is a clone of Fox News, taking a statement out of context and twisting it.

I, for one, would agree with the general statement that the unammended constitution was flawed. I know we all like to forget Article 1, Section 2, Clause 3, but we shouldn't. That alone is a clear flaw in the Constitution.

If we're gonna tar and feather someone for a statement taken out of context, we should at least make sure we disagree with the statement. Without context, I think most of us would agree with what Obama said.

[Truth Warrior]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=11OhmY1obS4

HOW can this man possibly have the support of a majority of this nation? HOW has he gotten this far? WHY is this man not being tried for treason? This man will destroy our Constitution, and no one seems to even care. Aught' to put him up with Hitler, Stalin and Mussolini. Don't worry the U.S. military is "on the job" here, to protect the Constitution from ALL enemies both foreign and DOMESTIC. ;) No problemo! :rolleyes:

[Patriot123]

I hardly think C4L would post this up if it was twisted. It's in their news section, which is how I found it. Nonetheless, it's not like he hasn't talked poorly in regards to American principles before - he's a Democrat. He supports things which are not legal according to our constitution. He isn't exactly known, either, for praising the founders, either. Yeah, sure. It may be taken out of context. I'll give you that. But the man is still equivalent to Stalin. You'd have to be blind to not see that.

[Mitt Romneys sideburns]

Constitution is fine. Problem is, nobody has ever read it.

[Truth Warrior]

The Federal Constitution Is Dead (http://www.lewrockwell.com/gutzman/gutzman17.html)
Kevin Gutzman on who killed it.

[Uriel999]

Yes, the constitution is flawed...it's too powerful. Now if that was were he was getting at...but somehow I doubt that.

[Zippyjuan]

I hardly think C4L would post this up if it was twisted. It's in their news section, which is how I found it. Nonetheless, it's not like he hasn't talked poorly in regards to American principles before - he's a Democrat. He supports things which are not legal according to our constitution. He isn't exactly known, either, for praising the founders, either. Yeah, sure. It may be taken out of context. I'll give you that. But the man is still equivalent to Stalin. You'd have to be blind to not see that.
I would like to invite you to listen to the conversation in its context at the link I give above. Stalin? Democrat- yes. Stalin? No.

[Truth Warrior]

'Lysander Spooner once said that he believed "that by false interpretations, and naked usurpations, the government has been made in practice a very widely, and almost wholly, different thing from what the Constitution itself purports to authorize." At the same time, he could not exonerate the Constitution, for it "has either authorized such a government as we have had, or has been powerless to prevent it. In either case, it is unfit to exist." It is hard to argue with that.' -- Thomas E. Woods Jr

[tonesforjonesbones]

i am disgusted with the obama shills on this Ron paul forum. STOP with the damn trend crap. if you are in college and starry eyed over OBAMA ...grow UP. The guy was referring to SPReADING THE WEaLTH AROUND...he said the supreme court did NOT go far enough in giving money to the blacks (civil rights act) ...SPreADING WeALTH AROUND...he blamed the founding fathers and the constitution. He said it was more concerned with what the government CAN NOT DO rather than what the government WILL DO. he is a CoMMUNIST. get over it. TONES

[Truth Warrior]

Wealth, Income, and Power
http://sociology.ucsc.edu/whorulesamerica/power/wealth.html (http://sociology.ucsc.edu/whorulesamerica/power/wealth.html)

[tmosley]

i am disgusted with the obama shills on this Ron paul forum. STOP with the damn trend crap. if you are in college and starry eyed over OBAMA ...grow UP. The guy was referring to SPReADING THE WEaLTH AROUND...he said the supreme court did NOT go far enough in giving money to the blacks (civil rights act) ...SPreADING WeALTH AROUND...he blamed the founding fathers and the constitution. He said it was more concerned with what the government CAN NOT DO rather than what the government WILL DO. he is a CoMMUNIST. get over it. TONES

Separating truth from lies is important. Simply speading lies about someone you don't like makes one no better than the republicrats.

Judge people by their true character, not how they are portrayed in the media.

[Truth Warrior]

The Wealth Distribution
In the United States, wealth is highly concentrated in a relatively few hands. As of 2001, the top 1% of households (the upper class) owned 33.4% of all privately held wealth, and the next 19% (the managerial, professional, and small business stratum) had 51%, which means that just 20% of the people owned a remarkable 84%, leaving only 16% of the wealth for the bottom 80% (wage and salary workers). In terms of financial wealth, the top 1% of households had an even greater share: 39.7%. Table 1 and Figure 1 present further details drawn from the careful work of economist Edward N. Wolff at New York University (2004).
http://sociology.ucsc.edu/whorulesamerica/power/wealth.html (http://sociology.ucsc.edu/whorulesamerica/power/wealth.html)

[Uriel999]

i am disgusted with the obama shills on this Ron paul forum. STOP with the damn trend crap. if you are in college and starry eyed over OBAMA ...grow UP. The guy was referring to SPReADING THE WEaLTH AROUND...he said the supreme court did NOT go far enough in giving money to the blacks (civil rights act) ...SPreADING WeALTH AROUND...he blamed the founding fathers and the constitution. He said it was more concerned with what the government CAN NOT DO rather than what the government WILL DO. he is a CoMMUNIST. get over it. TONES

And McCain is a fascist. The blood McCain will spill in his endless wars will be indirectly your fault. Vote 3rd party and at least have a clean conscience.

[EndTheFed]

And McCain is a fascist. The blood McCain will spill in his endless wars will be indirectly your fault. Vote 3rd party and at least have a clean conscience.

No..... Vote McCain... :)

[tonesforjonesbones]

IDIOTS! :mad:

[Truth Warrior]

And McCain is a fascist. The blood McCain will spill in his endless wars will be indirectly your fault. Vote 3rd party and at least have a clean conscience. Or don't vote at all and have a "squeaky clean" conscience. :D

[libertarian4321]

i am disgusted with the obama shills on this Ron paul forum. STOP with the damn trend crap. if you are in college and starry eyed over OBAMA ...grow UP. The guy was referring to SPReADING THE WEaLTH AROUND...he said the supreme court did NOT go far enough in giving money to the blacks (civil rights act) ...SPreADING WeALTH AROUND...he blamed the founding fathers and the constitution. He said it was more concerned with what the government CAN NOT DO rather than what the government WILL DO. he is a CoMMUNIST. get over it. TONES

You're support for a statist like McCain is just as bad, if not worse.

I don't think anyone here is "starry eyed" about Obama, but many of us find him less offensive than McCain. BOTH are wrong politically, but McCain is just a vile (and unintelligent) human being as well. Also, McCain's running mate scares the hell out of me. If I was forced to choose Obama or McCain, I'd choose Obama.

And before you start your rant about me being a "starry eyed college kid", let me tell you that I'm a well educated, middle aged, financially secure professional, as well as a 27 year Army vet. One does not have to be 18 and living at home to find Obama less offensive than McCain.

I'll put my education, intelligence, and experience up against yours anytime...

[Truth Warrior]

NWO from the left / NWO from the "right", mox nix. :p :rolleyes:

[heavenlyboy34]

NWO from the left / NWO from the "right", mox nix. :p :rolleyes:

+1 as usual, TW :D

[Truth Warrior]

+1 as usual, TW :D Who do I have to kill in order to get a +2? :D

[UnReconstructed]

constitution? what is this constitution that you speak of?

[priest_of_syrinx]

To Obama:

http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p81/bcuzliekomg/facepalm2.jpg

[youngbuck]

i am disgusted with the obama shills on this Ron paul forum. STOP with the damn trend crap. if you are in college and starry eyed over OBAMA ...grow UP. The guy was referring to SPReADING THE WEaLTH AROUND...he said the supreme court did NOT go far enough in giving money to the blacks (civil rights act) ...SPreADING WeALTH AROUND...he blamed the founding fathers and the constitution. He said it was more concerned with what the government CAN NOT DO rather than what the government WILL DO. he is a CoMMUNIST. get over it. TONES

There are an increasing number of Obama shills on this forum. If they ever actually did support Ron Paul, it just shows how utterly unprincipled they are. It really is quite sad.

[Andrew-Austin]

There are an increasing number of Obama shills on this forum. If they ever actually did support Ron Paul, it just shows how utterly unprincipled they are. It really is quite sad.

The McPain borgs seem to out number the Obama-bots 4 to 1 though.

[RSLudlum]

Sort of. Not quite. Here's what he said... I'll type it up.

"The Constitution reflected an enormous blind spot in this culture that carries on until day, and, uh, the framers had this same blind spot. I don't think that the two views are contradictory to say that it was a remarkable political document that paved the way for where we are now, and to that it also reflected the fundamental flaw of this country that continues to this day."

This man is Stalin in disguise.


NO ANIMAL SHALL SLEEP IN A BED WITH SHEETS

Squealer: "You have heard then, comrades," he said, "that we pigs now sleep in the beds of the farmhouse? And why not? You did not suppose, surely, that there was ever a ruling against beds? A bed merely means a place to sleep in. A pile of straw in a stall is a bed, properly regarded. The rule was against sheets, which are a human invention. We have removed the sheets from the farmhouse beds, and sleep between blankets.

Chapter 4, Animal Farm

[xd9fan]

Don't worry the U.S. military is "on the job" here, to protect the Constitution from ALL enemies both foreign and DOMESTIC. No problemo!

I do think another civil war is coming...in my lifetime.......this country cant continue like this with out.....blowback. .....10 years ago I would have thought one was crazy for thinking this.

Does the american people have what it takes to fight a govt that itself thinks is "protecting" the Constitution?? I wonder this everyday.....

[lodge939]

JFK: Ask not what your country can do for you

40 yrs later

Obama: The constitution doesn't say what the government must do

[mport1]

I agree, the Constitution is flawed. It created a government.

[self-evident]

Obama: "I have to side with Justice Breyer's view of the Constitution--that it is not a static but rather a living document and must be read in the context of an ever-changing world."

Paul: "Those who would give us a "living" Constitution are actually giving us a dead Constitution, since such a thing is completely unable to protect us against the encroachments of government power.

Obama 0, Paul 1

[nexis]

There are an increasing number of Obama shills on this forum. If they ever actually did support Ron Paul, it just shows how utterly unprincipled they are. It really is quite sad.

unfortunately i've noticed this too. any true non-liberal rp supporter would be disturbed by obama's comments regarding the constitution

[Uncle Emanuel Watkins]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=11OhmY1obS4

HOW can this man possibly have the support of a majority of this nation? HOW has he gotten this far? WHY is this man not being tried for treason? This man will destroy our Constitution, and no one seems to even care. Aught' to put him up with Hitler, Stalin and Mussolini.

Rule #13. As our Founding Fathers established themselves on a foundation of a great history of overcoming suffering and inequality, tyranny establishes itself on a foundation of its own greatness.
Obama is great in his own time and in his own mind while rejecting a history he despises. In contrast, our Founding Fathers felt somewhat inferior and in awe to the history that preceded them.

Rule #1. Never have too many rules.

Rule #2. Hate is un-American.

Rule #3. Never blame the people.

Rule #4. Never use the political spectrum as a playing field to bicker about politics.

Rule #5. Never give an interview with the media that isn't spontaneous, unedited and unrehearsed.

Rule #6. As Protestants worship the singular Civil-Purpose "of the Holy Word in the Bible" over the worshipping "of the legal precedent rituals established by the authority of the Pope and the Vatican," Civil-Purpose should be consecrated likewise over any traditional legal precedence established outside of the Constitution by the authority of tyranny.

Rule #7. As law abiding American citizens, we should prefer imprisonment, torture, death and even the frangrance of an outhouse to that of legal tyranny.(Never smile in a courtroom. Always show up as late as possible while leaving as quickly as possible.)

Rule #8. As a winning political campaign is a victory for tyranny, establishing a bipartisan American Movement to consecrate Civil-Purpose is a victory for the people (The intention is never to establish a totalitarian single party, for this is disillusionment, but to reestablish an eroded two party system.)

Rule #9. False American Movements are Administrations which fail to implement fresh measures while they dig up obsolete legal precedents from the past to implement. (American Movements lead Americans back to the consecration of the Civil Purpose in the Constitution, the Founding Fathers, the formal documents of The Declaration of Independence and The U.S. Constitution, and to improvements in contentment in the lives of Americans while altering, tweaking, clarifying and ammending the Constitution, our lightingning in a bottle so to speak, as little as possible. A false American Movement, on the other hand, just tells us what we want to hear.)

Rule #10. The debt of the people should not be burdened with any legal counterfeit created by any foreign or domestic tyranny. (If THE PEOPLE must spend 20 trillion to fix a divided national dinner table all created by a tyranny who spent 10 trillion to do so, so be it. The people must own the purse!)

Rule #11. As legal lobbying on the Federal level benefits the rule of tyranny, civil invention on the local level benefits the rule of the people (The local invention of a comfortable chair is created to make THE PEOPLE "happier." This is far greater in value than the Federal lobbying of tyranny that takes place by special interest groups who serve to divide up our national dinner table all in the name of "responsibility." We are not a nation of special interests but a nation of the people).

Rule #12. There are 3 kinds of people: those with feeble minds who persecute people, those with immature minds who laugh about persecution, and those with the kinds of sober minds that get persecuted. To be an American is always to be the latter.

Rule #14. Taxes are created with the intentions of benefitting some while cheating others. (Give 10% to the widows and orphans and be governed by the pure hearts of the widows and orphans)

Rule #15. Disillusioned is the idea that problems are solved with lots of change. The U.S. Constitution should be cherished as lightning in a bottle by its contents being altered, tweaked, clarified, and ammended as little as possible in order to improve the lives of American citizens. (The best change comes in small, precious packages)

Rule #16. While our partisanship views politics otherwise, the evil of tyranny actually victimizes the rich just as much as it does the poor. (The practice of the people's "business" was once deemed illegal, while it was penalized as such by British tyranny. The only legal businessmen were the ones involving those who were employed by the King as his monarchy and those employed by the Pope in his Church).

Rule #17. When inquiring about a matter with the government, ask to speak to an American before asking to speak to an expert (while experts know what they are speaking about, far too few of them know what it is to be an American. Example: "Can I speak to an American please?" Oh? You are an American? Well, are you an expert then?").

Rule #0. (as the unspoken rule, so to speak) Avoid and disregard any political issue dealing with the Jewish people and Israel (As their people and nation already sit at the heart of Christianity and the Muslim religions, and all of Western Civilization for that matter, Judaism (Jew 'ism' or the worship of oneself as a person who obeys God's laws) already has an advantage. As a Christian, my culture can't help but be secularized deeply by Judaism. The same holds true of Muslims and Islam [Believe it or not]. Supporting any further political efforts to lobby for Judaism gives them an unfair advantage. This advantage had by the Jewish people, while a political hot potato, is one of the major causes trashing our nation today. But please remember rules #2, 3 and 4. Peace).

[JosephTheLibertarian]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=11OhmY1obS4

HOW can this man possibly have the support of a majority of this nation? HOW has he gotten this far? WHY is this man not being tried for treason? This man will destroy our Constitution, and no one seems to even care. Aught' to put him up with Hitler, Stalin and Mussolini.

I agree. The Constitution is like flies to shit. I'm tired of hearing about it, it didn't ever do anything.

[Uncle Emanuel Watkins]

I agree. The Constitution is like flies to shit. I'm tired of hearing about it, it didn't ever do anything.

Rule #13. As our Founding Fathers established themselves on a foundation of a great history of overcoming suffering and inequality, tyranny establishes itself on a foundation of its own greatness.

[JosephTheLibertarian]

Rule #13. As our Founding Fathers established themselves on a foundation of a long established great history, tyranny establishes itself on a foundation of its own greatness.

You agree? Yeah, it looks good, but it's such a statist trap for libertarian minded people. What has the Constitution done to shrink the size and scope of the State? Really. It's like a propaganda tool to get libertarians to remain loyal to statism.

[PatriotG]

What flaw is he speaking of?

If he is speaking of slavery, there is no allowance in it for such a thing. This supposed constitutional scholar might want to look to the Bill of Rights, which allows for the redress of such things. It might also be noted that he is in opposition to such redress.

[ZzzImAsleep]

Wow, what is up with all of the Constitution hate in this thread? :confused:

[A. Havnes]

Wow, what is up with all of the Constitution hate in this thread? :confused:

I was just wondering that? Libertarians in particular should state their loyalty to the rule of law in the Constitution. The Constitution is being rejected by the major parties, but that hardly means it has no value.

[acptulsa]

Wow, what is up with all of the Constitution hate in this thread? :confused:

Only from our two most vocal resident anarchists. They'd picket a student council.