Obama Says CONSTITUTION Deep Flaw Continues Today

[RonPaulVolunteer]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iivL4c_3pck

Speechless...

[Jeremy]

maybe he's talking about slavery though....

[durden0]

That statement was in the context of talking about racial equality in the original constitution.
The full audio from this segment comes from here:

http://apps.wbez.org/blog/?p=372

There are other interviews however where he does talk about economic redistribution. This is the video that should have been linked by the C4l.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iivL4c_3pck

Here is where the dangerous things are really talked about.

[Chester Copperpot]

i dont know what the fuck he's talking about

[durden0]

The important thing to remember here though is that Mccain and Obama believe the same fundamental things, and demonstrate that through their actions. They both believe in the redistribution of wealth in one direction or another.

Obama is just more up front about it because he talks about redistribution in the direction of the middle class and poor(though his actions don't seem to support that talk). Mccain talks a big game about obama's redistribution, but then goes and votes for redistribution any way. Lose/Lose.

[dr. hfn]

flaw?

[Truth Warrior]

C'mon Barry, you "taught" :rolleyes: Constitution. Flaws call for and require amendments to correct. DUH!!!

So far ONLY 20 some have been found by the "EXPERTS" ( so called ). Give em another 220 YEARS. :D

[klamath]

That statement was in the context of talking about racial equality in the original constitution.
The full audio from this segment comes from here:

http://apps.wbez.org/blog/?p=372

There are other interviews however where he does talk about economic redistribution. This is the video that should have been linked by the C4l.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iivL4c_3pck

Here is where the dangerous things are really talked about.

Yep that is pretty scary.

[ChaosControl]

Scary...
It is sad so many are brainwashed by this sicko.

[klamath]

The important thing to remember here though is that Mccain and Obama believe the same fundamental things, and demonstrate that through their actions. They both believe in the redistribution of wealth in one direction or another.

Obama is just more up front about it because he talks about redistribution in the direction of the middle class and poor(though his actions don't seem to support that talk). Mccain talks a big game about obama's redistribution, but then goes and votes for redistribution any way. Lose/Lose.

Yes at least Obama is honest about it but that is the sad part. The American people are voting for that and are not being lied to in that area like McCain is lying.

It is a referendum on the free market and the Americans are knowingly voting against the free market and not even voting for someone that doped them into thinking he (McCain) is for the free market..

[sratiug]

Yep that is pretty scary.

+1

[RickyJ]

i dont know what the fuck he's talking about

Neither does he. :D

[NYgs23]

Yes at least Obama is honest about it but that is the sad part. The American people are voting for that and are not being lied to in that area like McCain is lying.

It is a referendum on the free market and the Americans are knowingly voting against the free market and not even voting for someone that doped them into thinking he (McCain) is for the free market..

It's not a referendum on the free market so much as the fact that the Republicans broke all of the small government promises it had been making for 70 years and virtually bankrupted the United States. The Dems were arm-in-arm with them of course, but the GOP had the controls for six of the past eight years. Also, Obama is relatively young, well-spoken, and good-looking, while McCain seems like a mildly desperate old man, and his pandering shows more easily.

Still, there's a lot of propaganda about how the free market (what free market?) caused the crisis and a kneejerk mentality to blame "deregulation" (what deregulation) every time there is a crisis. This must be fought.

[Cowlesy]

All it does is confirm for me that the majority of our fellow citizens have no grasp on the principles.

[Truth Warrior]

I thought that this is kinda interesting.

Some Proposed Amendments

The Constitution is a living and evolving document. One of the ways that the Constitution is changed is through the amendment process (http://www.usconstitution.net/constam.html). It can be an arduous process, requiring agreement by many different segments of society and the government, and it does not always work out (http://www.usconstitution.net/constamfail.html). But it is the only way to make a permanent change to the Constitution. Changes in interpretation are common as time progresses, but only by having actual text added can a change be called a part of the Constitution.
In every session of Congress, hundreds of constitutional amendments are proposed. Almost never do any of them become actual Amendments. In fact, almost never do any of them even get out of committee.

According to a study by C-SPAN (http://www.c-span.org/questions/weekly54.asp), this is a count of the number of amendments proposed in each of the sessions of Congress in the 1990's:

106th (1999 only): 60
105th (1997-98): 103
104th (1995-96): 158
103rd (1993-94): 156
102nd (1991-92): 165
101st (1989-90): 214
It is interesting to see the types of things our legislators want to do the Constitution. Proposed amendments are a reflection of the mood of the nation, or of a subset of the population.
These lists are simple bullets, not detailed examinations of the proposed amendments, the bills that carried them, or the process they went through. If a further examination is desired, a search of the Thomas database (http://thomas.loc.gov/) can be done.
Please note that some proposed amendments are proposed over and over again in different sessions of Congress. For the sake of brevity, I have used the 102nd Congress as a "baseline" and each subsequent Congress has only new ideas for amendments listed. Also note that just because a proposed amendment is not listed in prior sessions does not mean it was not proposed in prior sessions.

109th Congress (2005-2006)

To ensure reproductive rights of women
To force the Congress and President to agree to a balanced budget, with overspending allowed only in the case of a three-fifths vote of Congress
To ensure that all children who are citizens have a right to a "free and adequate education"
To specifically permit prayer at school meetings and ceremonies
To allow non-natural born citizens to become President if they have been a citizen for 20 years
To specifically allow Congress to regulate the amount of personal funds a candidate to public office can expend in a campaign
To ensure that apportionment of Representatives be set by counting only citizens
To make the filibuster in the Senate a part of the Constitution
To provide for continuity of government in case of a catastrophic event
The "Every Vote Counts" Amendment - providing for direct election of the President and Vice President, abolishing the Electoral College (http://www.usconstitution.net/consttop_elec.html)
To clarify eminent domain, specifically that no takings can be transferred to a private person except for transportation projects
Providing a right to work, for equal pay for equal work, the right to organize, and the right to favorable work conditions
To allow the President to reduce any Congressional appropriation, or to disapprove of same (akin to a line-item veto)
108th Congress (2003-2004)

To lower the age restriction on Representatives and Senators from 30 and 25 respectively to 21
To ensure that citizens of U.S. territories and commonwealths can vote in presidential elections
To guarantee the right to use the word "God" in the Pledge of Allegiance (http://www.usconstitution.net/pledge.html) and the national motto
To restrict marriage in all states to be between a man and a woman
To remove any protection any court may find for child pornography
To allow Congress to pass laws for emergency replenishment of its membership should more than a quarter of either house be killed
To place Presidential nominees immediately into position, providing the Senate with 120 days to reject the nominee before the appointment is automatically permanent
107th Congress (2001-2002)

Calling for the repeal of the 8th Amendment (http://www.usconstitution.net/xconst_Am8.html) and its replacement with wording prohibiting incarceration for minor traffic offenses
To specify that progressive income taxes must be used
To specify a right to "equal high quality" health care
To limit pardons granted between October 1 and January 21 of any presidential election year
To require a balanced budget without use of Social Security Trust Fund monies
To allow for any person who has been a citizen of the United States for twenty years or more to be eligible for the Presidency
To force the members of Congress and the President to forfeit their salary, on a per diem basis, for every day past the end of the fiscal year that a budget for that year remains unpassed
106th Congress (1999-2000)

To provide a new method for proposing amendments to the Constitution, where two-thirds of all state legislatures could start the process
To allow Congress to enact campaign spending limits on federal elections
To allow Congress to enact campaign spending limits on state elections
To declare that life begins at conception and that the 5th (http://www.usconstitution.net/xconst_Am5.html) and 14th (http://www.usconstitution.net/xconst_Am14.html) amendments apply to unborn children
To prohibit courts from instructing any state or lower government to levy or raise taxes
105th Congress (1997-1998)

To force a national referendum for any deficit spending
To provide for the reconfirmation of federal judges every 12 years
To prohibit the early release of convicted criminals
To establish the right to a home
To define the legal effect of international treaties
To clarify that the Constitution neither prohibits nor requires school prayer
To establish judicial terms of office
104th Congress (1995-1996)

To clarify the meaning of the 2nd Amendment (http://www.usconstitution.net/xconst_Am2.html)
To provide for the reconfirmation of federal judges every 6 years
To force a two-thirds vote for any bill that raises taxes
To repeal the 16th Amendment (http://www.usconstitution.net/xconst_Am16.html) and specifically prohibit an income tax
To provide for removal of any officer of the U.S. convicted of a felony
To permit the States to set term limits for their Representatives and Senators
103rd Congress (1993-1994)

To allow a Presidential pardon of an individual only after said individual has been tried and convicted of a crime
To allow Congress to pass legislation to allow the Supreme Court to remove federal judges from office
To provide for the reconfirmation of federal judges every 10 years
To provide for the recall of Representatives and Senators
To remove automatic citizenship of children born in the U.S. to non-resident parents
To enable or repeal laws by popular vote
To define a process to allow amendments to the Constitution be proposed by a popular ("grass-roots") effort
To force a three-fifths vote for any bill that raises taxes
To prohibit retroactive taxation
To provide for run-off Presidential elections if no one candidate receives more than 50% of the vote
To prohibit abortion
To bar imposition on the States of unfunded federal mandates
102nd Congress (1991-1992)

To disallow the desecration of the U.S. Flag
To allow a line-item veto in appropriations bills
To expand the term of Representatives to four years
To force a balanced budget
To prohibit involuntary busing of students
To make English the official language of the United States
To set term limits on Representatives and Senators
To repeal the 22nd Amendment (http://www.usconstitution.net/xconst_Am22.html) (removing Presidential term limits)
To guarantee a right to employment opportunity for all citizens
To grant protections to unborn children
To provide for "moments of silence" in public schools
To allow Congress to regulate expenditures for and contributions to political campaigns
To provide for the rights of crime victims
To provide for access to medical care for all citizens
To repeal the 2nd Amendment (http://www.usconstitution.net/xconst_Am2.html) (right to bear arms)
To prohibit the death penalty
To protect the environment
To repeal the 26th Amendment (http://www.usconstitution.net/xconst_Am26.html) (granting the vote to 18-year olds) and granting the right to vote to 16-year olds
To provide equal rights to men and women
As an example of the tenacity of some ideas, the desire to repeal the 22nd Amendment (http://www.usconstitution.net/xconst_Am22.html) is a very popular one. Using the Thomas database, we searched all the way back to the 99th Congress, which started in 1985, for proposals to repeal the 22nd. In 2005, there was a great deal of discussion, and derision, of a new proposal to repeal the 22nd. But the derision, certainly, was unwarranted. Every Congress since the 99th has had at least one proposal with the sole intent of repealing the 22nd. Other proposed amendments to otherwise affect the 22nd, such as replacing the two-term limit with a single six-year term, extend back to at least 1979's 96th Congress, but were not included in this list.

109th Congress - HJ Res 24 (2005)
108th Congress - HJ Res 25 (2003)
107th Congress - HJ Res 39 (2001)
106th Congress - HJ Res 24 (1999)
105th Congress - HJ Res 39 (1997)
104th Congress - HJ Res 71 (1995)
103rd Congress - HJ Res 107 (1993)
102nd Congress - HJ Res 61 (1991)
101st Congress - HJ Res 84 (1989)
100th Congress - HJ Res 156 (1987)
99th Congress - HJ Res 687 (1986)
http://www.usconstitution.net/constamprop.html

[afmatt]

The "Every Vote Counts" Amendment - providing for direct election of the President and Vice President, abolishing the Electoral College (http://www.usconstitution.net/consttop_elec.html)

Bring it on!

[beerista]

Having heard that and having seen the reaction that Obama gets (without hiding his intentions from the voters), I'm convinced that if Marx had not had that scary beard, we'd already be living in Obama's utopia.

[jave27]

I don't know about the "every vote counts" amendment. The electoral college was design with states' rights in mind, giving each state a fair shake in the union. I'm still a fan of this principal, though the states' powers have eroded so much, it's tough to see much use for it these days.

[Truth Warrior]

Bring it on!

"The best argument against democracy is a five minute conversation with the average voter." -- Winston Churchill ;)


:D

[BenIsForRon]

Obama never talks about things like farm and oil subsidies. If he was serious about redistribution downwards, he would start by eliminating the upward distribution already happening.

[RonPaulR3VOLUTION]

http://img204.imageshack.us/img204/1790/drudgeobama102720084145lu3.th.png (http://img204.imageshack.us/my.php?image=drudgeobama102720084145lu3.png)http://img204.imageshack.us/images/thpix.gif (http://g.imageshack.us/thpix.php)

[Zera]

I don't see it mattering anymore. The people are already aware of what he wants, but they still support him. Obviously, this won't matter either.

[qh4dotcom]

In one day that video has gotten over 1 million views and 11,000+ comments

Wow...hopefully the sheeple are waking up!

[BenIsForRon]

One of the problems is that many think that redistribution isn't McCains plan as well.

[Truth Warrior]

In one day that video has gotten over 1 million views and 11,000+ comments

Wow...hopefully the sheeple are waking up! I've only seen that "sheeple" hope about 250 times here on the RPF over time. :rolleyes: < SHRUG, YAWN >

[paulitics]

In one day that video has gotten over 1 million views and 11,000+ comments

Wow...hopefully the sheeple are waking up!

1.2 million. I've never seen a video go viral this fast.

[EndTheFed]

1.2 million. I've never seen a video go viral this fast.

1.3 million now...

[angelatc]

http://hotair.com/archives/2008/10/27/smells-like-socialist-spirit/

I though this blogger pretty much nailed it, except they're believing that McCain won't do the same thing.

[EndTheFed]

http://hotair.com/archives/2008/10/27/smells-like-socialist-spirit/

I though this blogger pretty much nailed it, except they're believing that McCain won't do the same thing.

He won't.... He IS the lesser of two evils...

[Knightskye]

1.3 million views in a day? Hah.

[lodge939]

it was on the Fox homepage as well. naturally, only drudge/fox/blogs are covering it.

[ItsTime]

I can not believe I am now thinking of voting for fucking McCain

[qh4dotcom]

I can not believe I am now thinking of voting for fucking McCain

Please don't betray RP and the liberty movement...you only have one vote and it's too insignificant to keep Obama out of the White House

[EndTheFed]

I can not believe I am now thinking of voting for fucking McCain

:D

Miricles never cease... I really hope you do...

[qh4dotcom]

it was on the Fox homepage as well. naturally, only drudge/fox/blogs are covering it.

It was on Glenn Beck's newsletter as well.

[ItsTime]

Please don't betray RP and the liberty movement...you only have one vote and it's too insignificant to keep Obama out of the White House

Well at this point Obama will create executive orders that will DESTROY the constitution and we may never get it back after that.

And how the hell could I be "betraying" the liberty movement with my "insignificant" vote.

I said "thinking" I most likely wont.

[Zera]

He won't.... He IS the lesser of two evils...

lol

[angelatc]

Please don't betray RP and the liberty movement...you only have one vote and it's too insignificant to keep Obama out of the White House

Amen. Amen. Amen.

THe force is strong in evil. Resist! Resist!

[Eroberer]

How about an amendment that has already been tried:

You MUST show where the explicit statement in the CONSTITUTION exists that allows this BILL to be created, or even voted on.

However, I can see the bullshit "interpretations" get around this.

There would be no "interpretations" if everyone would just read what the founding fathers themselves wrote. Not that hard, but then, obviously, they could not bullshit.

When I argue/debate/converse with people, I come to the conclusion that we are screwed. Only a tiny fraction of people understand there is a problem. Most just say, "Well, this is the way things are now, that was then, and that is why it was bad."

I am losing hope for the future, but then again, there is NO PLACE ELSE to run to.

My advice: buy food, guns, ammo, silver, gold, and whatever else you may need in short supply. Bury the stuff the government might/will/inevitably steal from you in the name of peace/anti-terrorism/wealth-redistribution/etc.

[qh4dotcom]

And how the hell could I be "betraying" the liberty movement with my "insignificant" vote.


By casting your vote for anti-liberty McCain or anti-liberty Obama

I voted today and there was no way I was voting for McCain nor Obama or even considering it.

[Truth Warrior]

Don't forget to read these founding fathers too.

Index to the Antifederalist Papers
http://www.wepin.com/articles/afp/index.htm (http://www.wepin.com/articles/afp/index.htm)

[Zera]

Since I like to hear both sides of a story before I give my own bias, I located what Obama supposedly meant:

"In fact, he states that the "tragedy" was that the civil rights movement, in seeking equalizing policies, focused too much on courts and not enough on political and community organizing."

I honestly don't know what to say mainly because I don't even understand what Obama is talking about. I think it's mostly because it just sounds boring and the video's attempted effect of trying to sway me to believe in something rather than actually let me listen and understand what's going on that's keeping me from understanding it...

[DAFTEK]

As much as i can live with McPalin and hate to see Osama burn this country down i wont cave in...!. CHUCK BALDWIN has my vote, the rest i'll vote Republican to keep some balance if any...

[BenIsForRon]

Since I like to hear both sides of a story before I give my own bias, I located what Obama supposedly meant:

"In fact, he states that the "tragedy" was that the civil rights movement, in seeking equalizing policies, focused too much on courts and not enough on political and community organizing."

I honestly don't know what to say mainly because I don't even understand what Obama is talking about. I think it's mostly because it just sounds boring and the video's attempted effect of trying to sway me to believe in something rather than actually let me listen and understand what's going on that's keeping me from understanding it...

Yeah the video sucked, the poster needs to let people think for themselves.

I agree with Obama's statement you quoted, by itself. I was born after the civil rights movement, but it didn't seem like people were getting as involved at the community level as they could. Then again, national media attention is kinda what got the ball rolling.

It does seem like the civil rights movement died down quite a bit after the 60's. If they had focused more on the political side maybe they would have more power now... hmmm... maybe we could learn something here.