2004 Election Results! our numbers / 2008 comparison

[DXDoug]

These are the results from 2004

George W. Bush (R) 62,040,610
John F. Kerry (D) 59,028,444
Ralph Nader Reform 465,650
Michael Badnarik Libertarian 397,265
Michael Peroutka Constitution 143,630
David Cobb GreenParty 119,859
Leonard Peltier Peace and Freedom 27,607
Walt Brown Socialist 10,837
Róger Calero (b) Socialist Workers 10,800

there were others who ran but made less then .01% of the vote
This puts the Non-Repub-Dem voters for 2004 at 1,174,010 voters making a way better choice then 100,000,000 voters.

So hope fully we can see a increase in these numbers for 2008. That would be a very good sign that we are making progress. But who knows could be less would be sad but will just have to see.

2000 Election Results
George W. Bush (R) 50,456,002
Al Gore (D) 50,999,897
Ralph Nader Green 2,882,955
Pat Buchanan Reform 448,895
Harry Browne Libertarian 384,431
Howard Phillips Constitution 98,020
John Hagelin Natural Law/Reform 83,714

The Results for 2000 shows way more people not voting R-D , then in 2004 with 3,898,015 voters.

2008 results comparison with 84% of precincts reporting
Obama 56,912,577 52%
McCain 51,745,081 47%
Nader 573,185 1%
Barr 437,869 0%
Baldwin 159,353 0%
McKinney 117,660 0%
Keyes 19,651 0%
Paul 16,268 0%
Calero 6,997 0%
La Riva 6,994 0%
Moore 5,945 0%
None of these candidates 5,245 0%
Duncan 3,338 0%
Harris 2,270 0%
Jay 2,198 0%
Polachek 1,274 0%
Wamboldt 705 0%
McEnulty 666 0%
Stevens 627 0%
Amondson 620 0%
Boss 599 0%
Weill 464 0%
Phillies 424 0%
Allen 237 0%
Lyttle 79 0%

that so far leads to about 1,340,000 voting 3rd party and more to come as the results come in to make 100% reporting

http://hosted.ap.org/specials/election_night_2008/election_map_premium/index.html?SITE=MASPDELN

[nate895]

I think the non-R/D vote will be in the 2-3 million range, outer possibility of 4 million. The largest share of the third party vote will go to Ralph Nader, followed within .5% by Barr, and Baldwin taking most of the rear. I expect ~600,000 votes for Baldwin, 1-1.5 million for Barr, 1.5-2 million for Nader, and the rest will probably total up at around 200,000.

[thehighwaymanq]

Hmmm, interesting. Thanks for this. It would be really interesting to see how many voted for Barr, Baldwin, Mckinney, Nadar, etc... compared to Mcbama.

[DXDoug]

I think the non-R/D vote will be in the 2-3 million range, outer possibility of 4 million. The largest share of the third party vote will go to Ralph Nader, followed within .5% by Barr, and Baldwin taking most of the rear. I expect ~600,000 votes for Baldwin, 1-1.5 million for Barr, 1.5-2 million for Nader, and the rest will probably total up at around 200,000.

Pretty much agree but cant wait for the results am hoping the results are much better then 2004 more like the 2000 election results. with Around 3-5 million non r-d voters voting. That would be great and im sure it can happen . Only 9 days left till we know. Barr could get more votes though just depend which states have who ON the ballot and not as write-ins

[speciallyblend]

Pretty much agree but cant wait for the results am hoping the results are much better then 2004 more like the 2000 election results. with Around 3-5 million non r-d voters voting. That would be great and im sure it can happen . Only 9 days left till we know. Barr could get more votes though just depend which states have who ON the ballot and not as write-ins

hmmm i know i am biased ,but i bet barr doesn't even break 500,000. i could be wrong.

Ron Paul's endorsement will go a lil further for baldwin.

Barr's nomination turned off a huge part of the lp voter(i happen to be one of many) and i would have to say any republican who might of voted for barr will vote for mccain,sad but true,

[jave27]

A lot of people stopped caring for politics once RP dropped out of the race. I don't think his endorsement of Baldwin carried near as much weight as anyone would have hoped. I plan on voting for him reluctantly, but I think we're in the minority.

Very few people seem to like Barr in general... He'll probably still garner a number of votes based on his stated platform, but...

[Havax]

I say Barr gets 1.5-2 million as Nader gets around 1 million, Baldwin around 600,000.

This is why all 3rd party candidates should endorse the most popular one until a 3rd party starts polling the same as the loser in Republican-Democrat presidential races. Imagine having all of those votes going to one candidate, that's about 4 million votes for one candidate including all Non R-D candidates combined.

[DXDoug]

i didnt vote for barr i just thought he might get more votes as he was on the ballot in texas but baldwin and Nader are write-ins for texas so ya just depending on which states have them as write-in's or actually have their names on the ballot could help generate more votes for either party/person.

I voted for baldwin in texas and my gf either voting nader or baldwin. Soo I really dont know who will get more votes this election nader baldwin, or barr... along with the others this should be some good numbers for us to reflect on and stuff..

Obviously though we need to reach out more to undecided voters and the base of each party democrat and republican to get more voters out of the 2 party system.

Should expose the 2 party system 100 million plus voters to join the 3rd party system opposite from the 2 which are the same... :confused: i type alot :P

p.s i think the consitition party has had to of atleast doubled to 300,000 voters...

[slacker921]

Barr is the only third party candidate listed on the NC ballot. My prediction is he'll pick up 2.5% of the vote in NC so he'll get ~ 100,000 votes just in NC. That will be enough to keep the Libertarian party on the ballot in NC for the next election and they won't have to raise the $250,000 needed to collect signatures again. The NC GOP will have it's hands full.

[v00513]

Anyone else notice how people are getting smarter ever since the internet has been "introduced" as a form of media? No longer are so many visiting sites like CNN to get "reliable" :D news. You can only go so long voting democrat-republican-democrat before realising there is absolutely no difference between the two. People have simply lost all hope, which is very typical of a democracy, one of the worst types of government.

[DXDoug]

Any one know the number of people who voted for ron paul in the primarys? could be helpfull number

[Ron Paul Vermont]

Over 1 million. 1.2-1.5 million.

[Lovecraftian4Paul]

An even more curious question is how many more would have voted for RP if not for somewhat difficult and intimidating primary registration rules and caucus formats? I estimate about another 500,000-1 million. I later found out from a couple people I knew that they were set on Ron Paul in the General Election, but they didn't vote for him in the Minnesota Caucus because it's so different from regular ballot voting and it freaked them out.

[DXDoug]

An even more curious question is how many more would have voted for RP if not for somewhat difficult and intimidating primary registration rules and caucus formats? I estimate about another 500,000-1 million. I later found out from a couple people I knew that they were set on Ron Paul in the General Election, but they didn't vote for him in the Minnesota Caucus because it's so different from regular ballot voting and it freaked them out.

Yeah primary's arent high numbers for obvious reasons, but with 1.2-1.5 million votes for ron paul that sounds pretty good. And with all the people who would of voted for ron paul but couldnt maybe they will get out and vote this time to show there vote counts. We can only hope but with record voting totals so far one can only hope its all not going to the repubs and dems.

[american.swan]

Thanks to OP for the data.

Bump, add to my subscribed threads.

[american.swan]

Yeah primary's arent high numbers for obvious reasons, but with 1.2-1.5 million votes for ron paul that sounds pretty good. And with all the people who would of voted for ron paul but couldnt maybe they will get out and vote this time to show there vote counts. We can only hope but with record voting totals so far one can only hope its all not going to the repubs and dems.

I imagine a record turn out could imply a record third party turn out. If it happens we need a press release and to write letters to our local newspaper editors that a "Record number of voters rejected the Dem and GOP candidates this go round."

[DXDoug]

I imagine a record turn out could imply a record third party turn out. If it happens we need a press release and to write letters to our local newspaper editors that a "Record number of voters rejected the Dem and GOP candidates this go round."

Should be on CNN and on News networks til 2012 and 2010 with ron paul talking about the campaign for liberty then maybe we can all get together and show there really is alot of people giving up the repub - democrat way of life. Would be great to just keep getting more support its what we need

[DXDoug]

With 2 early voting days left in voting texas has already probably gotten as many voters now as they did in the end of 2004. so lil bit more people voting but EVery year more people vote.. so probably not much difference there..

ARg i cant wait we need to emphasize on our success. And build on it into 2010 - 2012 we can Win Yes we Can!

[nate895]

With 2 early voting days left in voting texas has already probably gotten as many voters now as they did in the end of 2004. so lil bit more people voting but EVery year more people vote.. so probably not much difference there..

ARg i cant wait we need to emphasize on our success. And build on it into 2010 - 2012 we can Win Yes we Can!

Yeah, I remember some election statistics where they had turnout decreasing (with a couple of exceptions) until it hit a low in 1996 with less than 50% of those of age showing up at the polls, and has been steadily increasing since.

[DXDoug]

almost that time but i wonder where we can find these national results with good information on the 3rd party votes as they come in

[DXDoug]

OK I found Link to Election Numbers as they Come in

http://hosted.ap.org/specials/election_night_2008/election_map_premium/index.html?SITE=MASPDELN

[DXDoug]

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