Do Not Write In Ron Paul

[yaz]

http://www.nolanchart.com/article5254.html

[RideTheDirt]

Screw that I'm in California, my vote will be counted. I was planning on voting chuck Baldwin (write in also) but if I can vote for who I want, I am going to do it.
Sorry chuck, you didn't inspire me like Paul did.

[mediahasyou]

Voting is an Act of Violence: http://members.aol.com/vlntryst/wn103.html

[sidster]

Voting is an Act of Violence: http://members.aol.com/vlntryst/wn103.html

interesting.

[mediahasyou]

interesting.

Nonpolitical Libertarian Strategies:
1. Voluntaryism - People simply withdraw consent through nonvoting, taxes, and will not consent to being governed by force.
http://www.voluntaryist.com/articles/073.php

Example: Colonials in America declared their Independence of England and no longer gave consent to their governors.

2. Agorism - People use blackmarkets to weaken the government. Markets produce better products than the state so people choose markets to do the services of the state. Blackmarkets cannot be taxed which weakens the state.
http://flag.blackened.net/daver/anarchism/nlm/nlm5.html

Example: Agorism in colonial America helped them bring about revolution through ignoring laws such as the navigation acts and other taxes.

3. Passive Resistance - People passively resist the government. Police are known to initiate force against the innocent and nonviolent. Through media and the internet, the populace will see the testimony against the state.
http://www.voluntaryist.com/articles/027b.php

Example: Gandhi in Indian Revolution.

4. Education - People through learning and becoming smart tend to rebel. This is exactly why the slaves in America started to rebel. As a slave became smarter, that slave was worth more. However, that slave also attempted to escape more because he was smarter. Thus, slavery was dubbed the perculior institution.

Example: The enlightenment sparked the most revolutions in recorded history throughout the world.

[yongrel]

Don't tell me what to do.

[sidster]

Don't tell me what to do.

he isn't telling you what to do. he is telling you what not to do.

[mediahasyou]

Don't tell me what to do.

"To your plea of self-defense, I reply: Fine, defend yourself, but leave me alone. But voting is wrong precisely because it does not leave me alone. If you elect your candidate to office in the name of self-defense, his power will not be restricted to you and to those who voted for him. He will have power over me and others like me as well."

from: http://www.voluntaryist.com/nbnb/party_dialogue.php

[qh4dotcom]

A lot of people wanted Ron Paul to run as a third party candidate for the Libertarian Party...many people want him to run again in 2012...and many of those are writing-in his name on the 2008 ballot.

For those who want him to run again in 2012 on the Libertarian ticket...do you want RP (or someone he strongly endorses) to have automatic ballot access or you want him to fight the courts and the 2-party system to get on the ballots? Writing his name does not help with the automatic ballot access.

[sidster]

Writing his name does not help with the automatic ballot access.

how is that?

[klamath]

A lot of people wanted Ron Paul to run as a third party candidate for the Libertarian Party...many people want him to run again in 2012...and many of those are writing-in his name on the 2008 ballot.

For those who want him to run again in 2012 on the Libertarian ticket...do you want RP (or someone he strongly endorses) to have automatic ballot access or you want him to fight the courts and the 2-party system to get on the ballots? Writing his name does not help with the automatic ballot access.

Sorry I want him to run on the republican ticket. Ballot access all 50 states!

[qh4dotcom]

how is that?

A political party needs 2% of the vote to get automatic ballot access for the next election...so if you wanted the Libertarian party to have automatic ballot access in 2102 then 2% of the vote would have to go to Bob Barr...writing in Ron Paul's name is useless.

[qh4dotcom]

Sorry I want him to run on the republican ticket. Ballot access all 50 states!

Me too...but if he fails to win the primaries and then needs to run 3rd party, then it would be nice to have automatic ballot access.

[qh4dotcom]

Someone left this comment on that article...I thought it was worth mentioning


In that case I'm going to vote for Thomas Jefferson.

He's not running, he doesn't want to be president, my vote won't be counted, my vote won't help anyone at all, and he's dead ... but hey, at least I'll be voting for the person I like the best. =p

[yaz]

I'd write in Thomas Jefferson just as soon as I'd write in Ron Paul.

[aravoth]

My vote belongs to me. I didn't work my ass off to vote for anyone else.

[westmich4paul]

What I find interesting in the article is that it said blatently Ron Paul does not want to be president. I wish he would hasve told all of us that busted our asses off for him during primary season giving up time with our families, having to fend of truthers trying to spread their message through Ron's camapign, freezing my ass off out in the cold Michigan streets sign waving for him.

If he ddid not want to be president then why didn't he just say it from the beggining. I mean after dec's boston tea party money bomb it became apparently apparent he did not want to be president. But you know what this economy has hit alot of us hard and we gave 5, 10, 25, 50 bucks because we finally believed in a candidate.

Now if he isn't even willing to be a write in candidate or run third Party, I feel like he betrayed alot of us. He should have said before the nov 5th money bomb if i DO NOT WIN IN THE gop primaries I will not run and thats a 1000% gaurantee.

But no all along all he kept saying was no I am 99% sure I won't run as an independant. All he had to say is in no way will I run period but thats not what he said, he mislead us, he mislead the mainstream media.

I believe in the pronciples but the man himself buy not stepping up when he saw the tremendous support behind him should have made it perfectly clear and he did not. So what was the 30 million for? This is the part that just pisse me offto no end. I feel betrayed by the only man in Washington I thought Icould trust. By god I switched Parties for thos man for God's sake.

Dr. Paul you once cured my Apathy, but now you just reafffirmed why I
was apethetic to begin with.

All I have to say is what a let down, to myself and I am sure to others. Who in the hell in here wanted to vote for Bob Barr or Chuck Baldwin back in Jan 2007?

Oh well Obama I can't take another 8 more years of McCain /Bush so here I come so I guess you will get my vote although I will be again voting for the lesser of two evils.

[qh4dotcom]

If he ddid not want to be president then why didn't he just say it from the beggining.

He did...and he says it frequently at his speeches...he was skeptical about running for president because he thought not enough people would be interested in his principles. Kent Snyder and friends managed to convince him to give it a try.

He even said once that he'd rather be the president of Switzerland

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=148471

[tpreitzel]

I've known of Chuck Baldwin's work for years. Personally, I'd rather vote for Chuck Baldwin than Ron Paul for POTUS. Why? Chuck's a better communicator and administrator than Ron which makes a lot of difference in a presidential race. Constitutionally, the difference between the two is minimal. As a pastor, Chuck just wears his beliefs on his sleeve more than Ron. Anyway, vote your conscience, and hopefully you'll vote 3rd party as a result.

[westmich4paul]

He did...and he says it frequently at his speeches...he was skeptical about running for president because he thought not enough people would be interested in his principles. Kent Snyder and friends managed to convince him to give it a try.

He even said once that he'd rather be the president of Switzerland

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=148471

no thats not what he said he said that people told him he should try there would be support and there was, it seems from everyone but him. I saw all the t.v. interviews dude no I will not quit campaigning until the convention a lie, he said he was suspending his campaign and would not quit as long as the money kept coming in, we it did until people basically saw that the campaign wasn't spending the money to try to get people to support him but more aless bankrolling a few friends and family members.

I sat there and heard him on at least two dozen t.v. spots and they would say are you gong to run independant if you do not get the GOP NOD AND HIS ANSWER WAS THIS. i HAVE NO PLANS TO BUT i WILL NOT RULE IT OUT COMPLETELY.

Why say that? just to get people to keep bankrolling family members and friends from poor hardworking peole that believed in him and said if he see's that there is an opportunity he will run independant. well there was and he did not.

IT WAS OUT AND OUT FRAUD WAS WHAT IT WAS.

eITHER YOU BEEN DRINKING THE KOOLAID TO LONG OR YOU JUST REFUSE TO BELIEVE THE UNDENIABLE.

[qh4dotcom]

no thats not what he said he said that people told him he should try there would be support and there was, it seems from everyone but him. I saw all the t.v. interviews dude no I will not quit campaigning until the convention a lie, he said he was suspending his campaign and would not quit as long as the money kept coming in, we it did until people basically saw that the campaign wasn't spending the money to try to get people to support him but more aless bankrolling a few friends and family members.

I sat there and heard him on at least two dozen t.v. spots and they would say are you gong to run independant if you do not get the GOP NOD AND HIS ANSWER WAS THIS. i HAVE NO PLANS TO BUT i WILL NOT RULE IT OUT COMPLETELY.

Why say that? just to get people to keep bankrolling family members and friends from poor hardworking peole that believed in him and said if he see's that there is an opportunity he will run independant. well there was and he did not.

IT WAS OUT AND OUT FRAUD WAS WHAT IT WAS.

eITHER YOU BEEN DRINKING THE KOOLAID TO LONG OR YOU JUST REFUSE TO BELIEVE THE UNDENIABLE.

RP was doing all of that to spread the liberty message and obviously he needed money to do that...and anyone with a brain and instincts should have realized he wasn't going to give up his Congressional seat and run independent...especially when there were other liberty-minded candidates eager to run.

By the way, when I saw how his campaign was spending donations and that he wasn't getting results with the $34 million the campaign raised...I stopped sending him money.

So now you're going to betray the liberty movement and vote Obama because he's not a fraud like RP?

[blocks]

I wasn't going to write-in Dr. Paul, until just the other day it came out that he was a certified write-in candidate in California and the votes for him WILL be counted. We all know Barr, Baldwin, Nader, or McKinney are not going to win. It's gonna be Obama or McCain. So use your vote to put a rubber stamp and help legitimize the ideas of one of the 3rd party candidates. If Ron Paul is one of the choices and a vote for him will be counted and recorded, there is no reason for me to vote for anyone else.

I live in California and I'll be happily writing Dr. Paul's name in.

[hillbilly123069]

Screw that I'm in California, my vote will be counted. I was planning on voting chuck Baldwin (write in also) but if I can vote for who I want, I am going to do it.
Sorry chuck, you didn't inspire me like Paul did.
Ron Paul endorsed Baldwin.Dr Paul is not on every states roster as a write-in.Illinois votes cast for Dr Paul will be thrown away for lack of paperwork being filed.

[LiveToWin]

I will be writing in Ron Paul on November 4th. It will be as much of a protest vote as it is my legitimate vote for who I believe is the best person for the job. This is probably going to be the last election before the shtf, so I might as well make mine count for something real.

Besides all that; after everything falls apart, I want to be able to say - I voted for Ron Paul.

[westmich4paul]

RP was doing all of that to spread the liberty message and obviously he needed money to do that...and anyone with a brain and instincts should have realized he wasn't going to give up his Congressional seat and run independent...especially when there were other liberty-minded candidates eager to run.

By the way, when I saw how his campaign was spending donations and that he wasn't getting results with the $34 million the campaign raised...I stopped sending him money.

So now you're going to betray the liberty movement and vote Obama because he's not a fraud like RP?
My point is is that many people gave this campaign money because Ron Paul said he wanted to be president. I never ever heard him on any interview say no I really do not want to be president, I just want people to listen to what I feel is going on?

Alot of people gave up money that they could have been using in these tough times for better things, and if he wasn't seriousabout being president heshould have owned up to it after nov 5th.

I know of alot of people that not only donated to this campaign but actually took money from their own pockets to help try to get this guys message out while he sat on almost 34 million dollars of donated money, and we were all like ok now we can get some relief, some commercials will pop up, some stops in key states he could have easily won like Michigan, and the campaign kept telling us don't worry he will be there. I sat in on meetings with Michigan's campaign person and she was telling us to go out and find us a building to get a headquarters set up . So there we are driving around spending close to $4 a gallon to find a decent place to set up headquarters only for them to tell us well it has to be alot cheaper, thus putting us into looking into areas of town that were basically the hood, then them telling us that well once we get the place you guys will have to pay for the electric bills, phone hookups and such. This after I used my hard earned money to promote Ron In GUN SHOWS, spending my money to get us in parades to spread the mesage. oUr primary was in early JAN and this was being told to us in middle DEC? I was looking at my meetup coordinator going by the time the bills come due the primary election will be over. The GOP here in Kent County kept asking us wil Ron come and speak? and we were like wewill have to get back to you. He made us look like damn fools.

I drove over a hundred miles to get dvd's that the michigan meetups made up for all delegates in Mi, I still have well over 75 of those dvd's, why? because people started realizing he is not coming here, there is no commercial ads coming. Hell we saw McCain ad's up the ass and he was supposedly broke, and here we sat with over 34 million and not one? Not one appearance except for his appearance at two stops in Mi. One at an arab conf and one in DETROIT. These have been Dem voting areas of MI FOR YEARS. Not one stop here in the west MI AREA RICH IN REPUBLICAN SUPPORT.

Will I be voting for Obama? You damn straight I will, because it would haunt my conscience for years if I voted for McCain and his 4 more years of Bush's destrution of the lower middle class working man. HELL GIVE ME Obama socialism, if it means a little relief for me and my family at the cost of my so called allready torn to shreds under Bush's administrations liberties hell why not.

I do not understand this whole he did not want to give up his congressional seat. What the hell has he accomplished in Congress? All his proposed Bill's are shot down by both Dem's and his own fellow Rep's. His own Party treats him like the step kid they never wanted. Yes every now and then he gets some air time slamming greenspan and Bernanke on their evilness AND the absolute corruption of the Fed. They sit there and patiently wait for him to get done with his spiel, then smile like ok you told us but it won't do a damn bit of good because wecould give a damn about your lone opinion of us.

Ron is a good man, and I finaly saw a damn politician that I could say yes you know what I will go out of my way to support this guy even though I know it will be a uphill battle. But he purpotrated the lie all the way into june saying as long as you guys keep sending in the money I will not drop out until the convention only to do the direct opposite.

I may sound bitter here because I am. I know that something happened to this campaign after nov 5th, and I am not sure what it was or if it wil ever come out. Either he and his family were threatened or something else I do not know because I just do not believe or maybe I am too nieve to believe that a man of his principles would decieve us all for the payoff to the tune of 34 million and change.

Then he comes out with a press release telling us we should support a third party candidate, when he himself isn't even willing to be a third party candidate? Then gets mad at Barr for not attending?

I mean come on thats like a milionaire telling you how great it is to be poor because you appreciate things much more but then you ask them are you going to give up yours to become poorand they go oh heck no I just think you should do it.

I'll take my chances with Obama and go back to my Democratic roots because although I truly believe in the platform of the original Republican Party, I just do not see any one of the Republican's wanting to drink the koolaid they want everyone else to drink up.

At least with the Democrats in power I as a lower middle class American Hard working citizen get some relief.

[dr. hfn]

Ron Paul wants us to vote 3rd party b/c it will send a message! If we vote for RP, people will think we're just "fringe nuts!"

[qh4dotcom]

My point is is that many people gave this campaign money because Ron Paul said he wanted to be president. I never ever heard him on any interview say no I really do not want to be president, I just want people to listen to what I feel is going on?

He was skeptical about running for president because he thought not enough people would be interested in his principles...you think skeptical people are eager to do/want to do what they are skeptical about?


Alot of people gave up money that they could have been using in these tough times for better things, and if he wasn't seriousabout being president he should have owned up to it after nov 5th.

I drove over a hundred miles to get dvd's that the michigan meetups made up for all delegates in Mi, I still have well over 75 of those dvd's, why? because people started realizing he is not coming here, there is no commercial ads coming. Hell we saw McCain ad's up the ass and he was supposedly broke, and here we sat with over 34 million and not one? Not one appearance except for his appearance at two stops in Mi. One at an arab conf and one in DETROIT. These have been Dem voting areas of MI FOR YEARS. Not one stop here in the west MI AREA RICH IN REPUBLICAN SUPPORT.


I agree that the campaign money wasn't used efficiently but nevertheless millions of people were exposed to the liberty message


Will I be voting for Obama? You damn straight I will, because it would haunt my conscience for years if I voted for McCain and his 4 more years of Bush's destrution of the lower middle class working man. HELL GIVE ME Obama socialism, if it means a little relief for me and my family at the cost of my so called allready torn to shreds under Bush's administrations liberties hell why not.

Obama's socialism and other bad policies are going to hurt you more than help you...just the bad monetary policy and hyperinflation RP is predicting during an Obama administration will wipe out any "Obama relief"....yes Bush has been bad but I can't understand why you are only blaming him when the Democrats are in charge of Congress...and Congress has more power than Bush...both Bush and Congress are to blame...You don't have to vote for Obama nor McCain...is your conscience going to haunt you for the Obama vote after Obama screws up the country more than it already is?


I do not understand this whole he did not want to give up his congressional seat. What the hell has he accomplished in Congress? All his proposed Bill's are shot down by both Dem's and his own fellow Rep's. His own Party treats him like the step kid they never wanted. Yes every now and then he gets some air time slamming greenspan and Bernanke on their evilness AND the absolute corruption of the Fed. They sit there and patiently wait for him to get done with his spiel, then smile like ok you told us but it won't do a damn bit of good because wecould give a damn about your lone opinion of us.

You would have a valid point if no liberty-minded candidate was eager to run third party...Ron said himself that he had a bad experience running as a third party candidate in 1988 because of the ballot access issues...since there are liberty-minded candidate eager to run 3rd party and willing to face the obstacles, RP was right in not stopping them...we need more liberty minded people in Washington, not people quitting Washington to run third party.

Access to the media and TV appearances are a good thing since Ron is using them to spread his message....losing his Congressional seat means no more or little future access to the media


Ron is a good man, and I finaly saw a damn politician that I could say yes you know what I will go out of my way to support this guy even though I know it will be a uphill battle. But he purpotrated the lie all the way into june saying as long as you guys keep sending in the money I will not drop out until the convention only to do the direct opposite.

RP wanted to quit after it became evident he wouldn't win...but people kept asking him to stay in the race...he obviously needed cash to continue campaigning...and hardly anyone was complaining about him dropping out because right after he formed the Campaign For Liberty to keep spreading the liberty message....it's not like he disappeared right after he dropped out like just about all other presidential candidates


I may sound bitter here because I am. I know that something happened to this campaign after nov 5th, and I am not sure what it was or if it wil ever come out. Either he and his family were threatened or something else I do not know because I just do not believe or maybe I am too nieve to believe that a man of his principles would decieve us all for the payoff to the tune of 34 million and change.

I don't feel deceived because I know RP cares more about the liberty message than money...if he was so obsessed about money why do you think he refuses to accept a Congressional pension he is entitled to?


Then he comes out with a press release telling us we should support a third party candidate, when he himself isn't even willing to be a third party candidate? Then gets mad at Barr for not attending?

He isn't willing because he is skeptical about winning...if 51% of America suddenly started believing in him you can be sure he'd consider running third party...and as I said earlier, other liberty minded candidates are eager to run third party.



I'll take my chances with Obama and go back to my Democratic roots because although I truly believe in the platform of the original Republican Party, I just do not see any one of the Republican's wanting to drink the koolaid they want everyone else to drink up.

At least with the Democrats in power I as a lower middle class American Hard working citizen get some relief.

Please read this and let me know if you agree with the author and this applies to Obama in your case

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showpost.php?p=1779516&postcount=1

[tpreitzel]

I was a bit late getting to my absentee ballot, but I finished it today.

POTUS: Baldwin/Castle of course.
Senator: Enzi. I have some probems with Michael, but he did vote NO on the bailout ...
Barrasso. Replaced Senator Thomas who died suddenly.
Representative: Loomis (R) over a Libertarian alternative. Personally, I have problems with some of her positions, but Trauner (D) might win anyway. Former "representative" Cubin was mediocre at best and voted for the bailout.

[mport1]

Voting is an Act of Violence: http://members.aol.com/vlntryst/wn103.html

I disagree. If you were a slave and were given the option to vote between two slave masters, one who would beat you incessantly and give you little food and one that would rarely beat you and give you plenty to eat, I do not think it is wrong to vote for the better slave master. It is not necessary supporting or condoning the system.

While I think not voting is a good option because low voter turnout does make the state appear somewhat less legitimate, I don't think it is wrong to vote for the libertarian or something.

[klamath]

My point is is that many people gave this campaign money because Ron Paul said he wanted to be president. I never ever heard him on any interview say no I really do not want to be president, I just want people to listen to what I feel is going on?

Alot of people gave up money that they could have been using in these tough times for better things, and if he wasn't seriousabout being president heshould have owned up to it after nov 5th.

I know of alot of people that not only donated to this campaign but actually took money from their own pockets to help try to get this guys message out while he sat on almost 34 million dollars of donated money, and we were all like ok now we can get some relief, some commercials will pop up, some stops in key states he could have easily won like Michigan, and the campaign kept telling us don't worry he will be there. I sat in on meetings with Michigan's campaign person and she was telling us to go out and find us a building to get a headquarters set up . So there we are driving around spending close to $4 a gallon to find a decent place to set up headquarters only for them to tell us well it has to be alot cheaper, thus putting us into looking into areas of town that were basically the hood, then them telling us that well once we get the place you guys will have to pay for the electric bills, phone hookups and such. This after I used my hard earned money to promote Ron In GUN SHOWS, spending my money to get us in parades to spread the mesage. oUr primary was in early JAN and this was being told to us in middle DEC? I was looking at my meetup coordinator going by the time the bills come due the primary election will be over. The GOP here in Kent County kept asking us wil Ron come and speak? and we were like wewill have to get back to you. He made us look like damn fools.

I drove over a hundred miles to get dvd's that the michigan meetups made up for all delegates in Mi, I still have well over 75 of those dvd's, why? because people started realizing he is not coming here, there is no commercial ads coming. Hell we saw McCain ad's up the ass and he was supposedly broke, and here we sat with over 34 million and not one? Not one appearance except for his appearance at two stops in Mi. One at an arab conf and one in DETROIT. These have been Dem voting areas of MI FOR YEARS. Not one stop here in the west MI AREA RICH IN REPUBLICAN SUPPORT.

Will I be voting for Obama? You damn straight I will, because it would haunt my conscience for years if I voted for McCain and his 4 more years of Bush's destrution of the lower middle class working man. HELL GIVE ME Obama socialism, if it means a little relief for me and my family at the cost of my so called allready torn to shreds under Bush's administrations liberties hell why not.

I do not understand this whole he did not want to give up his congressional seat. What the hell has he accomplished in Congress? All his proposed Bill's are shot down by both Dem's and his own fellow Rep's. His own Party treats him like the step kid they never wanted. Yes every now and then he gets some air time slamming greenspan and Bernanke on their evilness AND the absolute corruption of the Fed. They sit there and patiently wait for him to get done with his spiel, then smile like ok you told us but it won't do a damn bit of good because wecould give a damn about your lone opinion of us.

Ron is a good man, and I finaly saw a damn politician that I could say yes you know what I will go out of my way to support this guy even though I know it will be a uphill battle. But he purpotrated the lie all the way into june saying as long as you guys keep sending in the money I will not drop out until the convention only to do the direct opposite.

I may sound bitter here because I am. I know that something happened to this campaign after nov 5th, and I am not sure what it was or if it wil ever come out. Either he and his family were threatened or something else I do not know because I just do not believe or maybe I am too nieve to believe that a man of his principles would decieve us all for the payoff to the tune of 34 million and change.

Then he comes out with a press release telling us we should support a third party candidate, when he himself isn't even willing to be a third party candidate? Then gets mad at Barr for not attending?

I mean come on thats like a milionaire telling you how great it is to be poor because you appreciate things much more but then you ask them are you going to give up yours to become poorand they go oh heck no I just think you should do it.

I'll take my chances with Obama and go back to my Democratic roots because although I truly believe in the platform of the original Republican Party, I just do not see any one of the Republican's wanting to drink the koolaid they want everyone else to drink up.

At least with the Democrats in power I as a lower middle class American Hard working citizen get some relief.

Good Riddance. Any fricking fool knew that after NH the game was up as far a RP winning. RP stuck it out all the way to June even when it was becoming embarrassing to stay with the kooks carrying on how he could still win.

It is plain as day to anyone that has any observational skills the RP did not want to run as he didn't think he had a chance but he did, just so he pass on a few of his ideas before he moved on into his twilight years. By the time he realized he might actually have a chance in the late fall it was too late to get a real campaign staff dedicated to producing a win in NH. His one big flaw is he relies on people that are not that competent and don't always have his best interests at heart. He relied on incompetent staffers and a out of control grass roots section that ended up shaping his image more than he himself. When he had to say on national TV "No I do not believe our government blew up the twin towers" the grass roots had already defined him to the general public as a Kook.

[matthylland]

westmich,
I hope you are drunk, tired or just having a really bad day.

"Hell give me socialism, my family will be better off"....come on now.

Ron Paul did as much as we could hope for any single man to do. He certainly put more time into this than 99% of us did...I think it is crazy to be critical of his actions. The torch will be passed on as long as people support the cause. I am sorry you feel your money went to waste. I do not regret 1 cent of any donations to any candidate that I gave, and I know many feel the same way.

If each of us educated 1 other person, which I think is safe to say we have, then we need to be proud of our successes, and learn from our failures and move on to 2010 for more congress elections.

Pathetic moping and selfish posts like this don't help any cause.

[kathy88]

I will be writing in Ron Paul on November 4th. It will be as much of a protest vote as it is my legitimate vote for who I believe is the best person for the job. This is probably going to be the last election before the shtf, so I might as well make mine count for something real.

Besides all that; after everything falls apart, I want to be able to say - I voted for Ron Paul.



I already voted for RP. In the primary. I'm writing in Chuck Baldwin (PA) which will count and which RP asked us to do. If these 3rd party candidates get enough cobined votes to send a message to the "right" and "left" it could foster some changes, as could voting out the incumbents and getting some RP Repubs/Libs into offices. I'm disappointed that RP isn't on the ballot too. If your'e in Cali, or LA or MT by all means, cast that vote. But not if he's not a countable option.

[acptulsa]

If he ddid not want to be president then why didn't he just say it from the beggining. I mean after dec's boston tea party money bomb it became apparently apparent he did not want to be president. But you know what this economy has hit alot of us hard and we gave 5, 10, 25, 50 bucks because we finally believed in a candidate.

And part of the reason I believe in this candidate is because he doesn't want the job. Who would? The hours are 24/day with no holidays to speak of (unless you're Dubya and no one minds you being on vacation because you don't do anything but stick your pointy ears up in front of the cameras and mispronounce your speeches anyway). The only people who could possibly want the job are the power-mad and the crooked. Anyone else would only take it out of patriotism or foolishness.

I'm glad you think his crystal ball works so well that he knew exactly how things would work out from last November. I don't know how he could have. But I never heard him promise anything--anything--but to educate if we helped him do it. We did help and he delivered on his promise to the best of his ability--which is considerable.

I don't know why you think you were ripped off, but I say you did your patriotic duty to the best of your ability and, though we're not getting the instant gratification we might prefer, we are seeing positive results for our efforts. We have introduced socialism, North American unity and the Federal Reserve into this presidential contest. Without us--no freaking way.

Anyone who has regrets over their donations of time and/or money this year is either missing the big picture or the long view. Look at either and you'll see that we have finally and (hopefully) just in time put libertarianism on the map!

[DAFTEK]

Don't tell me what to do.

RON PAUL TOLD YOU WHAT TO DO! The OP has a point... I am just following orders from the Doc himself :p

[anaconda]

Oh for God's sake...

If you're in a state that will count a Ron Paul write in that that's fine. California has made this so. I live in Oakland so I believe I will. Besides which, Baldwin is also only a write-in here.

Any vote that is counted and is not for McBama sends the message. These will be votes that the Republicans and the Democrats will want to try to get next time.

[Aratus]

lets vote now with an eye to both 2010 and 2012... VOTE THIRD PARTY!

[mediahasyou]

lets vote now with an eye to both 2010 and 2012... VOTE THIRD PARTY!

And then what?

Become the first libertarian to get elected to the house. Then gain a majority. Then gain the presidency. Then repeal all laws restricting to much freedom. Then appoint judges to enforce those laws. Then wait for the other judges to die off so we can appoint new judges.

That WILL NEVER and HAS NEVER worked in history. No society has ever successfully voted their way to a libertarian society.

However, People have abolished the government to achieve a libertarian society.



If you keep doing what you've always done,you'll always get what you've always gotten.

[mport1]

and then what?

Become the first libertarian to get elected to the house. Then gain a majority. Then gain the presidency. Then repeal all laws restricting to much freedom. Then appoint judges to enforce those laws. Then wait for the other judges to die off so we can appoint new judges.

That will never and has never worked in history. No society has ever successfully voted their way to a libertarian society.

However, people have abolished the government to achieve a libertarian society.

qft

[satchelmcqueen]

im still writing in ron paul.