New Southpark episode is Predictive Programming [Video]

[itsthepathocrats]

Southpark Episode: Pandemic (Number: 1210) (http://www.southparkzone.com/episodes/1210/Pandemic.html)

[Kotin]

Lol comon...

[jkr]

i wouldnt blow this off...

[ClayTrainor]

Reminds me of this video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=33Kq0rvhOS8



Seems a bit crazy to me, but you never know i suppose. I wouldnt be surprised if there are efforts to conditon us through tv shows and movies but, im not sure about this particular example.

I personally don't think the South Park episode is an example of this, since they mock the Government too much, and make them look like corrupt idiots. It was a pretty funny episode. :cool:

[constituent]

"Television is sublime."

-Bill O'rly

[ghengis86]

or maybe matt and trey are making a statement about the concentration of power in our governement today (and that Chertof is a jew, head of DHS, irony)

[Sandra]

Some in Hollywood was hand in hand with the Bush administration. But some inHollywood use their skills to issue warnings too. M. Night Shamalan's "The Village" is one. This movie summarizes a post 9-11 America. Southpark isn't programming but using the writers' sarcasm and comedy to open eyes but make it trademark funny too.

The Jerry Bruckheimer White House

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9D02EED6113CF932A25756C0A9659C8B 63

[constituent]

Some in Hollywood was hand in hand with the Bush administration. But some inHollywood use their skills to issue warnings too.

yep, just like Machiavelli.

[AJ Antimony]

Ummm South Park is all about satire. They are making fun of DHS for being so full of shit.

[dr. hfn]

aren't the guys who make south park libertarians?

[ClayTrainor]

aren't the guys who make south park libertarians?

yes, i believe so.

[dawnbt]

I believe these guys just see what we see and are exposing it.

[powerofreason]

some ppl are fucking paranoid... and really stupid.

[rpfan2008]

Some in Hollywood was hand in hand with the Bush administration. But some inHollywood use their skills to issue warnings too. M. Night Shamalan's "The Village" is one. This movie summarizes a post 9-11 America. Southpark isn't programming but using the writers' sarcasm and comedy to open eyes but make it trademark funny too.

The Jerry Bruckheimer White House

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9D02EED6113CF932A25756C0A9659C8B 63

And Matrix?! :confused:

[ClayTrainor]

some ppl are fucking paranoid... and really stupid.

Some people are insulting, and post with the intent to simply insult.

[nate895]

aren't the guys who make south park libertarians?

Before libertarian Republicans were called "Ron Paul Republicans" they were called "South Park Republicans."

[powerofreason]

Some people are insulting, and post with the intent to simply insult.

That's all you deserve when you post this nonsense in the most public part of RPF's. I'd rather people not get the idea we're all conspiracy kooks. I bet if the southpark creators could see this thread they'd laugh their asses off. Talk about utterly rediculous.

[constituent]

Talk about utterly rediculous.

ridiculous.

[rpfan2008]

That's all you deserve when you post this nonsense in the most public part of RPF's. I'd rather people not get the idea we're all conspiracy kooks. I bet if the southpark creators could see this thread they'd laugh their asses off. Talk about utterly rediculous.

:rolleyes:

You are spellbound to a self-administered Psyops. Get well soon.

[AutoDas]

:rolleyes:

You are spellbound to a self-administered Psyops. Get well soon.

uh oh don't anger the troofers.

[rpfan2008]

uh oh don't anger the troofers.

it's twoofers :rolleyes: Mr. 'A untrue liberal'

[lucius]

...troofers.

Robert Jay Lifton, in his classic text on thought control in totalitarian China, discussed the "thought-terminating cliche" as a tactic to ensure conformity. He spoke of compressing "far-reaching and complex problems" into "brief, highly reductive, definitive-sounding phrases" that prevent real analysis. "troofers" has been reduced to just such a thought-terminating cliche.

Robert Jay Lifton's 'Thought Reform and the Psychology of Totalism: A Study of Brainwashing in China' (ISBN: 0807842532)

[powerofreason]

:rolleyes:

You are spellbound to a self-administered Psyops. Get well soon.

Yea dude, must be the flouride. :rolleyes:

[powerofreason]

Robert Jay Lifton, in his classic text on thought control in totalitarian China, discussed the "thought-terminating cliche" as a tactic to ensure conformity. He spoke of compressing "far-reaching and complex problems" into "brief, highly reductive, definitive-sounding phrases" that prevent real analysis. "troofers" has been reduced to just such a thought-terminating cliche.

Robert Jay Lifton's 'Thought Reform and the Psychology of Totalism: A Study of Brainwashing in China' (ISBN: 0807842532)

Right, but, that doesn't mean that every conspiracy theory out there is true, or a majority, or more than a few...

[OferNave]

That's all you deserve when you post this nonsense in the most public part of RPF's. I'd rather people not get the idea we're all conspiracy kooks. I bet if the southpark creators could see this thread they'd laugh their asses off. Talk about utterly rediculous.

That's not fair. It's obvious to me that Matt and Trey are uber-libertarians who don't give a fuck about anything and probably couldn't be bought at any price now that they have a decent living, considering they've trashed just about every sacred icon in our culture, even if it cost them friends - damn, lost my train of thought. I love those guys.

Anyway, I agree with you that this episode is what it appears to be and nothing more, but I also agree with the original poster that it's wise to consider more sinister possibilities. The CIA does do shit like that, you know. There's a long documented history, and if you want to ignore the history books and laugh "ha ha troofers are dumb", go ahead, but you won't win my respect.

[powerofreason]

That's not fair. It's obvious to me that Matt and Trey are uber-libertarians who don't give a fuck about anything and probably couldn't be bought at any price now that they have a decent living, considering they've trashed just about every sacred icon in our culture, even if it cost them friends - damn, lost my train of thought. I love those guys.

Anyway, I agree with you that this episode is what it appears to be and nothing more, but I also agree with the original poster that it's wise to consider more sinister possibilities. The CIA does do shit like that, you know. There's a long documented history, and if you want to ignore the history books and laugh "ha ha troofers are dumb", go ahead, but you won't win my respect.

The CIA takes over animated cartoon shows to brainwash the masses? Doubt it.

[JohnMeridith]

The Sout Park guys make fun of everything the government does. "Team America" is great.

[surf]

i liked Chertoff's depiction. why one-star on this post?

is there going to be a part 2? will Kenny die?

Janet Reno as the Easter Bunny was one of my favorite episodes (put out about a week after the Elian Gonzalez episode, i believe).

[ronpaulforprez2008]

Robert Jay Lifton's 'Thought Reform and the Psychology of Totalism: A Study of Brainwashing in China' (ISBN: 0807842532)

Thanks for the book recommendation.

To those that come to make slogan-esk comments, well, we illumined ones must learn to tolerate 'the children'. For those wishing to transgress to adult-hood, perhaps some additional research might be in order, try starting with these items and search terms:

Hollywoodism (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0141163/plotsummary) [documentary]


Tavistock Institute (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tavistock_Institute) & Predictive Programming


Laurel Canyon and the Birth of the Hippie Generation (http://www.davesweb.cnchost.com/nwsltr93.html)
Discover the depths of the links between US Music Industry & the US Military


'Hollywood Babylon' by OTO member Kenneth Anger (http://www.amazon.com/Hollywood-Babylon-Kenneth-Anger/dp/book-citations/0517344084)
It shows the occult cult saturation history very accurately. Anger knew absolutely everybody.


Youtube: Fight Club-Hollywood Agenda (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v6qJ4nK4thM)


Youtube: Donald Duck Tax Propaganda (WWII) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dfwZNomxsNg)

[OferNave]

The CIA takes over animated cartoon shows to brainwash the masses? Doubt it.

Have you actually researched the history of the CIA?

So much for the power of reason.

[RevolutionSD]

If you ever thought animation, fiction and Hollywood are harmless entertainment, perhaps its time to reassess. Southpark provides us with a current and relevant example of how social engineers fuck with us.

In this recent episode, Peruvian Flute Bands are found to be carriers of a virus that could cause a pandemic. So, DHS takes control of the military in order to round-up all Peruvian Flute Bands and send them to Gitmo for "the rest of their lives" where they can be quarantined.

Watch it here
Southpark Episode: Pandemic (Number: 1210) (http://www.southparkzone.com/episodes/1210/Pandemic.html)


I would encourage all to watch this episode and discuss your views on the intended psychological impact of such a show. Is this:

1. predictive programming, in order to familiarize the public with ideas which are yet to come;

2. a diversion, perhaps away from the current shift toward the new global financial order?

3. fear mongering?

4. or something entirely different?

5. nothing to worry about, I'm just blowing an innocent cartoon way out of proportion. It's just a damn cartoon, dude, and it's supposed to be funny. Relax.

What's your view?

I saw the episode and thought it was absolutely hillarious.

BTW, you've got the plot wrong. They were rounding up the peruvian flute players not because of some disease but because "they annoy people". That was the funny part.

[Joseph Hart]

LOL I was going to make this thread as I was watching the show. Gerbils are scary and we should not underestimate their power!

[Andrew-Austin]

Have you actually researched the history of the CIA?

So much for the power of reason.

I read Legacy of Ashes, and yes it kinda showed the CIA isn't exactly shy of domestic operations, but it mostly showed they were incompetent.

Frankly I just can't imagine the creators of South Park working with the damn CIA, its just a bit much.


BTW, you've got the plot wrong. They were rounding up the peruvian flute players not because of some disease but because "they annoy people". That was the funny part.

That tidbit does make the plot much more funny, and it ridicules the government more.

[NYgs23]

Um, this is a NEGATIVE portrayal of Homeland Security and Chertoff. It's making fun of their Machiavellian, militaristic stupidity. Yet some of you seem to think it's some plot to get people used to the idea of the US Army rounding up...buskers???

Why does one have to believe in vast government conspiracies to be a libertarian these days? Isn't it enough to think that they're just a good ol' boys network of inept fools who don't know what the hell they're doing? Isn't that just as dangerous?

[BarryDonegan]

matt and trey are libertarian. this is a libertarian satire. this is not somethign we should protect our children from watching, this is something we should be encouraging friends and neighbors to watch because it pokes fun at big government.

any idea that the creaters of "team america: world police" are in concert with the CIA making propaganda is patently ludicrous.

if anything, they do the exact opposite... manbearpig? c'mon...

the episode about parents lying to teach their children to not use drugs?

[Andrew-Austin]

Wikipedia to the rescue!, I didn't know they were libertarian before today..

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Park_Republican


South Park Republican
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South Park Republican is a term that was circulated in weblogs and articles on the Internet circa 2001 and 2002, to describe what authors claimed as a "new wave" of young adults and teenagers who hold political beliefs that are, in general, aligned with those that seem to underpin gags and storylines in the popular television cartoon. The phrase was coined by commentator Andrew Sullivan[1] in 2001. Sullivan identified himself as a South Park Republican after hearing that the show's creators had "outed" themselves as Republicans at an awards ceremony.

While South Park co-creator Matt Stone is a registered Republican,[citation needed] co-creator Trey Parker is actually a registered member of the Libertarian Party.[2] As the show's co-creator, Matt Stone, sums it up: "I hate conservatives, but I really fucking hate liberals."[3]

In August 2006 Trey Parker, Matt Stone and Andrew Sullivan headlined a conference in Amsterdam hosted by the libertarian monthly magazine Reason. During an on-stage interview with Reason editors Nick Gillespie and Jesse Walker, Stone and Parker reaffirmed their discomfort with labels while acknowledging that their political views could be described most accurately as libertarian. John Tierney documented the declaration on the pages of the New York Times a few days later in a column called "South Park Refugees".[4] "South Park Libertarians," an edited version of the interview, appeared in the December 2006 issue of Reason.[4]

[powerofreason]

Have you actually researched the history of the CIA?

So much for the power of reason.

You give the government waaaaay too much credit.

Government=Bumbling Retards.

[powerofreason]

Thanks for the book recommendation.

To those that come to make slogan-esk comments, well, we illumined ones must learn to tolerate 'the children'. For those wishing to transgress to adult-hood, perhaps some additional research might be in order, try starting with these items and search terms:

Hollywoodism (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0141163/plotsummary) [documentary]


Tavistock Institute (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tavistock_Institute) & Predictive Programming


Laurel Canyon and the Birth of the Hippie Generation (http://www.davesweb.cnchost.com/nwsltr93.html)
Discover the depths of the links between US Music Industry & the US Military


'Hollywood Babylon' by OTO member Kenneth Anger (http://www.amazon.com/Hollywood-Babylon-Kenneth-Anger/dp/book-citations/0517344084)
It shows the occult cult saturation history very accurately. Anger knew absolutely everybody.


Youtube: Fight Club-Hollywood Agenda (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v6qJ4nK4thM)


Youtube: Donald Duck Tax Propaganda (WWII) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dfwZNomxsNg)

I always knew you people thought very highly of yourselves, but to come right out and say it? Damn you have balls. "we illumined ones" more like "we who are absolutely terrified of being duped or deceived and so will cling to every conspiracy theory we can find just in case its true"

[BeFranklin]

If you ever thought animation, fiction and Hollywood are harmless entertainment, perhaps its time to reassess. Southpark provides us with a current and relevant example of how social engineers fuck with us.

In this recent episode, Peruvian Flute Bands are found to be carriers of a virus that could cause a pandemic. So, DHS takes control of the military in order to round-up all Peruvian Flute Bands and send them to Gitmo for "the rest of their lives" where they can be quarantined.

Watch it here
Southpark Episode: Pandemic (Number: 1210) (http://www.southparkzone.com/episodes/1210/Pandemic.html)


I would encourage all to watch this episode and discuss your views on the intended psychological impact of such a show. Is this:

1. predictive programming, in order to familiarize the public with ideas which are yet to come;

2. a diversion, perhaps away from the current shift toward the new global financial order?

3. fear mongering?

4. or something entirely different?

5. nothing to worry about, I'm just blowing an innocent cartoon way out of proportion. It's just a damn cartoon, dude, and it's supposed to be funny. Relax.

What's your view?

I thought what you were going to say about predictive programing is using mind reading type tricks (put the thought there and then ask
what the person is thinking a little later) in the script itself.

Google mind reading (can work pretty well), and ask if putting something like that in scripting wouldn't also match predictive programming :cool:

[Trance Dance Master]

We have to round up the invaders. And send a message to their home country.

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=685_1187317721

[diggronpaul]

Youtube: Watch this review of
"The Ghost in the Machine by Arthur Koestler (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XFIRNrfxqAY)"




I thought what you were going to say about predictive programing is using mind reading type tricks (put the thought there and then ask
what the person is thinking a little later) in the script itself.

Google mind reading (can work pretty well), and ask if putting something like that in scripting wouldn't also match predictive programming :cool:

Isn't that NLP? Neurolinguistic Programming

[ronpaulforprez2008]

Here's a good video adaptation of Plato's Cave, which is highly applicable here.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=69F7GhASOdM

Must Watch for those who wish to escape the cave

An excerpt from Plato's Republic, the 'Allegory of the Cave' is a classic commentary on the human condition. It is a story of open-mindedness and the power of possibility.

We have adapted and brought it to life by shooting thousands of high-resolution photographs of John Grigsby's wonderful clay animation. To learn more, visit http://platosallegory.com

[crusader]

South Park = AS FAR FROM PREDICTIVE PROGRAMMING AS POSSIBLE.

OP, please save a threads life and THINK BEFORE YOU POST.

[BeFranklin]

Youtube: Watch this review of
"The Ghost in the Machine by Arthur Koestler (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XFIRNrfxqAY)"

Isn't that NLP? Neurolinguistic Programming

Probably a little simplier. I note a lot of broadcasters seem to be naturally good at it. It's probably what gives them their presence, but some of them may have studied it. If you non-verbally communicate, telegraph, or imply something before you say it, the tendancy is to go "wow, its just like they are thinking like I am", or in the case of mind reading acts "wow, its just like they are reading my mind", so it gives them presense, since they are thinking like their audience is thinking. In reality, they are cuing up the audience beforehand.

In boxing, its telegraphing a punch. Its not always obvious to people conciously. If you aren't good at reading non-verbal expressions or dialog between a group, you might get an idea of what is being said before it is said, but you couldn't put it into words. It can give people stage presense, and it gives a mentalist his tricks. For instance, if you tell a person to give you a name of a card - most of the people that don't think about it and instantly give a card will give you fameous ones like queen of hearts, etc, while not so much with people that think for awhile. There's a lot of websites on mentalist tricks, which will probably give you ideas on how to implement this in (non-live) scripts

[jmlfod87]

http://www.theadvocates.org/celebrities/trey-parker.html


When PBS's Charlie Rose asked Trey Parker pointblank on a September 26, 2005 show if he was a libertarian, the outspoken co-creator of South Park was uncharacteristically coy.

"It's possible," Parker admitted.

It's not that he was embarrassed about being a libertarian. It's just, Parker told the host, that the question was, well, "It's like: Are you gay?" Then he laughed uproariously.

It was a typical Trey Parker moment. He managed to compare a straightforward political question to a query about sexual orientation, and transform an enigmatic answer into a punchline. But Parker's evasiveness was less about embarrassment than it was about not wanting to be politically pigeonholed. From his, yes, libertarian perspective, Parker (along with creative partner Matt Stone) has been able to infuriate both right-wingers and left-wingers with barbed political satire. And that's the way he likes it.

Parker was born in 1969. He studied film and classical music at the University of Colorado at Boulder, where he met Stone. The two teamed up to create crude cartoon shorts, including one that featured early prototypes of the major South Park characters. Another short, "Frosty vs. Santa Claus," was a precursor to "The Spirit of Christmas." It caught the eye of a TV producer and led to an invitation to create South Park, which debuted on the Comedy Central cable network in 1997. The show features cartoon fourth-graders who live in a fictional town in the Rocky Mountains, curse constantly, and battle menaces like anal-probing aliens and a Godzilla-size Barbara Streisand.

South Park is rife with libertarian themes. It has mocked the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms, anti-smoking activists, the War On Drugs, government-mandated diversity (when the children shun a nasty gay teacher, they are sent to the "Death Camp of Tolerance"), public school sex education, and nature-worshipping environmentalists. It also tees off mercilessly on left-wing celebrities like Jesse Jackson, Rosie O'Donnell, Michael Moore, and Rob Reiner.

Given its eagerness to poke fun at liberal icons, it's no surprise that some conservatives rushed to claim South Park as their own. In his 2005 book South Park Conservatives, author Brian Anderson argued that the show is at the forefront of a conservative revolt against liberal media. (Although Anderson is honest enough to note that the show makes "wicked fun of conservatives" too.)

But Parker rejects the "South Park Conservative" label -- as well as the notion that he can only choose between liberal and conservative. In an interview with In Focus magazine (October 4, 2004), he said, "What we're sick of -- and it's getting even worse -- is: You either like Michael Moore or you wanna f**kin' go overseas and shoot Iraqis. We find just as many things to rip on the left as we do on the right. People on the far-left and the far-right are the same exact person to us."

All South Park Conservative claims aside, most commentators understand that the show is decidedly libertarian. On LewRockwell.com (April 27, 2004), Michael Cust said the program is "sharp, witty, funny, and very libertarian." On FrontPageMagazine.com (April 16, 2003), Eli Lehrer noted the show's "persistently libertarian politics." On OpinionJournal.com (September 1, 2004), Bridget Johnson praised the show's "libertarian-minded material." On Reason.com (December 14, 2003), Jesse Walker said, "South Park almost always comes down on the libertarian side of an argument." South Park even gives an occasional insider's nod to libertarianism; one show featured a policeman saying he's "never reading again" after tackling Ayn Rand's Atlas Shrugged.

Following the success of South Park, Parker and Stone took their libertarian sensibility to the movies. The duo wrote, directed, or starred in Orgazmo (1997), BASEketball (1998), and South Park: Bigger, Longer, and Uncut (1999). The latter film, a cartoon/musical attack on censorship and jingoistic American military policy, was praised by the Guardian newspaper in England for its "libertarian message." (One of the movie's songs, "Blame Canada," was even nominated for an Academy Award.) In 2004, they released the bizarre marionette movie, Team America: World Police, which was simultaneously a send-up of Jerry Bruckheimer-style action movies, America's macho interventionist foreign policy, and clueless, do-gooder liberal actors. Team America featured puppet sex, puppet cursing (the movie boasted a tagline, "Putting the F back in freedom"), a puppet Kim Jong-il, and gory puppet slaughter.

So -- at the risk of asking "Are you gay?" -- is Trey Parker really a libertarian? He didn't play coy in an April 4, 2001 article in the Los Angeles Times. When asked to describe his politics, Parker said he was "a registered Libertarian." (Stone was less sure about his politics. He told the Los Angeles Times, "I don't think I'm registered to vote.")

South Park is the best libertarian show on tv. The latest episode was further proof of it, the fact that you didn't get the message it was trying to convey is a strike against you, not them.

[NerveShocker]

Can I write in an option number 6?

[Kludge]

Steve Kubby on South Park (http://www.youtube.com/v/MYQRzXd1UvQ&start=360)

[blocks]

Damn that site has every episode on it, I'm gonna go catch up on my CIA programming. Thanks for the link.

[AutoDas]

You can watch every episode aired to date on the official website.

[itshappening]

'24' has been doing the predictive programming for a long time where Jack the hero detains US citizens and subjects them to painful torture!! it's unbelievable and passed off as nothing unusual...

[Trance Dance Master]

It's called television programming for good reason. The advertisements program more than the shows do. The show itself must fit the agenda of the sponsors.

[BenIsForRon]

itsthepathocrats, you should have done more research on the show and its creators before you make a post like this. By your logic Children of Men would fall under the "predictive programing" label, though it is an artistic warning that we need to change our ways.

[LittleLightShining]

The CIA takes over animated cartoon shows to brainwash the masses? Doubt it.Of course they don't. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g_DaMKUP3Og

[LittleLightShining]

Laurel Canyon and the Birth of the Hippie Generation (http://www.davesweb.cnchost.com/nwsltr93.html)
Discover the depths of the links between US Music Industry & the US Military


I've made it to part 8 so far and I'm just dumbfounded. I guess I shouldn't be surprised, though. Not only have I read some of the most disturbing information I've ever seen but I am now in a complete state of WTF. Why haven't I EVER heard ANY of this before?

[kojirodensetsu]

Did you guys watch the same episode I did? That episode was obviously making fun of the government.

[silverhawks]

Out of every TV show out there right now, I would have to say that South Park is the LEAST likely to tell you to "respect the Government's authoritay!"

Trey Parker and Matt Stone are making a living out of pointing out just how stupid society is today. There are too many citations of episodes to prove this point, but I think this one will do (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Douche_and_Turd).

[lucius]

Out of every TV show out there right now, I would have to say that South Park is the LEAST likely to tell you to "respect the Government's authoritay!"

Trey Parker and Matt Stone are making a living out of pointing out just how stupid society is today. There are too many citations of episodes to prove this point, but I think this one will do (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Douche_and_Turd).

They are successful that in itself should tell you something. If promoted/praised/applauded/critically acclaimed/free, be very wary.

The medium is the message: Four Arguments For the Elimination of Television by Jerry Mander (ISBN: 0688032745).

[kojirodensetsu]

They are successful that in itself should tell you something.
Yeah.. that people think they're funny.

[dannno]

You give the government waaaaay too much credit.

Government=Bumbling Retards.

Most of the people in government are bumbling retards, but what you fail to comprehend is that the people who control our government are in fact fairly intelligent, and they use private intelligence agencies in concert with national intelligence agencies. They make the government big, beaucratic and stupid on purpose so they can get away with whatever they want, because the government won't catch them... partly because they ARE the government, and partly because the only people who are promoted in government are either naive/stupid, or they are "in on it". It's a very simple system to uphold, because the inherrent nature of big government is to be as you described. This makes it all the easier to control from the top.

[CountryboyRonPaul]

any idea that the creaters of "team america: world police" are in concert with the CIA making propaganda is patently ludicrous.


Reminds me of the line in that movie, "We've lost all intelligence, I repeat we have no intelligence!"

:p

[tmosley]

The court jester, or the fool, is often the only one with both the balls and the opportunity to make fun of/undermine the king without fear of getting his head chopped off.

Honestly, there are a lot of people in this thread (and on these forums) that take themselves WAAAYYYY too seriously. If the CIA or any other shadowy conspiratorial organization was as powerful as people seem to think they are, it would be A LOT more obvious. Trey and Matt would have come out the next week after being forced to make a CIA propaganda piece with a lampooning of the CIA and their own network for letting it happen.

As to the propaganda piece that was published, that was almost certainly commissioned by whatever government agency, the cartoonists weren't forced to make it.

The more credit you give to a conspiracy, the more power you give to conspirators. Don't think for a second that they are so powerful that they could strike you down from afar on a whim, because they can't. There are limits on what one can do without endangering the existence of said conspiracy. Such things are almost always highly limited in scope (occasionally they hide in plain sight), but they are a lot more rare than people on these forums seem to think. They aren't trying to kill Americans either. They aren't controlling your minds. All they can do is intimidate, detain a few, and murder even fewer. The rest of their power comes from what you give them. Stop living in fear, for fuck's sake. Fear is the mind-killer. If "they" exist, then they want you in fear. They want your compliance. Mostly, they want your money.

Don't let RPF become the new capital of the Nation of Fear (America).

[lucius]

Yeah.. that people think they're funny.

Of course, South Park is psyops:

First, Hollywood is not an egalitarian work environment. Like turds, sociopaths, useful idiots (perhaps Parker/Stone), float to the top. Doubtful? Read Hollywood Babylon by Kenneth Anger (ISBN: 0440153255). Hollywood is what you should study.

South Park is a cartoon, which of course, portrays scenarios and players in cartoonish dimensions. It's analysis of current events and culture is simplistic. It categorically reduces all elements. South Park are regular distributors of condensed, semi-informed opinions on topics that are more comfortable when remote and unexplored: perfect for America’s dumb-downed ignorant youth—rather indicative.

Trey Parker and Matt Stone may punch and jab, perhaps unawares, but overall they reinforce existing policy agenda and ultimately express an interest in keeping their crowd blindly supporting United States action around the world in the name of relative right—look at the 9/11 episode. Granted, most of their audience, in their ignorant state, would have trouble locating North Korea or Iran on a map, but are content to maintain the viewpoint that Bush is just an eccentric idiot confronting evil cartoonish demon leaders around the world. Parker/Stone could do much more.

What a cherished icon: South Park Libertarians. Call them what they are 'tools', spreading semi-informed condensed pabulum, which ultimately reinforces policy agenda.

Turn off your tv, pickup a book...

ps: If promoted/praised/applauded/critically acclaimed/free, be very wary. Four Arguments For the Elimination of Television by Jerry Mander (ISBN: 0688032745).

[dannno]

look at the 9/11 episode...Parker/Stone could do much more.

What a cherished icon: South Park Libertarians. Call them what they are 'tools', spreading semi-informed condensed pabulum, which ultimately reinforces policy agenda.

ps: If promoted/praised/applauded/critically acclaimed/free, be very wary. Four Arguments For the Elimination of Television by Jerry Mander (ISBN: 0688032745).




Good points. I think Matt and Trey are fairly smart guys, but if you look up the South Park Republicans article you can see that they really aren't that informed in regards to political matters. They describe people on the "far right" as being theocratic warmongers, but theocratic warmongers are not right-wing because they want to expand government and expand our empire.

They think of themselves as centrists or libertarians, but really libertarians are further right than the theocratic warmongers.. It's too bad they only see politics in the gradient presented to them by the mainstream media.

I don't know how much Matt and Trey had to do with the 9/11 episode. I always figured they had a writer or two in there that were planted by the CIA, and they just got them to go along with the episode. I doubt either knows very much about the topic or have looked into it.

They also did that show "That's My Bush!" which was just about how stupid George Bush is, and they portrayed him as completely harmless. Then 9/11 and the warmongering started coming forward and the series barely makes any sense at all. It's still funny to watch, though.. So is the movie "Baseketball"

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Good points. I think Matt and Trey are fairly smart guys, but if you look up the South Park Republicans article you can see that they really aren't that informed in regards to political matters. They describe people on the "far right" as being theocratic warmongers, but theocratic warmongers are not right-wing because they want to expand government and expand our empire.

They think of themselves as centrists or libertarians, but really libertarians are further right than the theocratic warmongers.. It's too bad they only see politics in the gradient presented to them by the mainstream media.

I don't know how much Matt and Trey had to do with the 9/11 episode. I always figured they had a writer or two in there that were planted by the CIA, and they just got them to go along with the episode. I doubt either knows very much about the topic or have looked into it.


You can't describe the political spectrum as one dimensional. It's really 2-d, shaped like a diamond. At the apex is libertarianism, and at the bottom is statism. Left is left and right is right.

As to South Park, it's a satire, so the content of the episodes will naturally reflect what is going on in the world. You don't need a plant to get them to do an episode like that. It was merely a reflection of what was happening in the real world at the time. If you are looking for plants, look in the news media.

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