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RickyJ
10-23-2008, 02:24 PM
I asked, "well what is going to happen to those people we can't reeducate, that are diehard capitalists?" and the reply was that they'd have to be eliminated.

And when I pursued this further, they estimated they would have to eliminate 25 million people in these reeducation centers.

And when I say "eliminate," I mean "kill."

Twenty-five million people.

I want you to imagine sitting in a room with 25 people, most of which have graduate degrees, from Columbia and other well-known educational centers, and hear them figuring out the logistics for the elimination of 25 million people.

And they were dead serious.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NJn5b8_weUY

paulpwns
10-23-2008, 02:34 PM
Still won't vote McCain

slacker921
10-23-2008, 02:40 PM
wasn't the CFR openly discussing population control and depopulation?

dannno
10-23-2008, 02:44 PM
Heh, that's great when the government puts multiple agents in, some as provocateurs and others simply as information gatherers, and then don't tell them :D

Calpico
10-23-2008, 04:59 PM
Damn, I did my research paper on the Weather Underground for AP US History. Didn't catch this. Khmer Rouge II.

Sandra
10-23-2008, 05:03 PM
It's a fact! I saw some guy say it on YOUTUBE!:rolleyes:

Grimnir Wotansvolk
10-23-2008, 08:20 PM
Let's see.

An undercover government agent claiming that an anti-war/anti-authoritarian protest group seeks to eliminate 25 million people purely for favoring capitalism?

Oh yeah, there's no way he's lying.

Mini-Me
10-23-2008, 08:50 PM
Let's see.

An undercover government agent claiming that an anti-war/anti-authoritarian protest group seeks to eliminate 25 million people purely for favoring capitalism?

Oh yeah, there's no way he's lying.

<In my best johnmccainforums.com voice>
Mods, please send this terrorist poster to a Freedom Camp. It's obvious he's lying, because the government always tells the truth. :mad:
</end johnmccainforums.com voice>

:D

Kludge
10-23-2008, 08:53 PM
It's obvious he's lying, because the government always tells the truth.

Nuh-uh! Members of Youtube with enough time to research, find, and upload a video of an ultra-socialist from the early 80s are!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_c6HsiixFS8

RickyJ
10-23-2008, 09:23 PM
Let's see.

An undercover government agent claiming that an anti-war/anti-authoritarian protest group seeks to eliminate 25 million people purely for favoring capitalism?

Oh yeah, there's no way he's lying.

Facts are they were making nail bombs to set of at a dance on an Army base. Fortunately they were too stupid to do it right or there would have been many fatalities, instead of just three of the idiots making the bombs. Yes, he could be lying, but considering these people, I doubt it.

klamath
10-24-2008, 08:20 AM
I don't know if WU said this but I know for a fact that Kendra Alexandra running for president on the communist party ticket in either 1976 or 1980 made nearly that exact quote. I heard her say it on a talkshow myself.



I asked, "well what is going to happen to those people we can't reeducate, that are diehard capitalists?" and the reply was that they'd have to be eliminated.

And when I pursued this further, they estimated they would have to eliminate 25 million people in these reeducation centers.

And when I say "eliminate," I mean "kill."

Twenty-five million people.

I want you to imagine sitting in a room with 25 people, most of which have graduate degrees, from Columbia and other well-known educational centers, and hear them figuring out the logistics for the elimination of 25 million people.

And they were dead serious.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NJn5b8_weUY

Mini-Me
10-24-2008, 08:22 AM
I don't know if WU said this but I know for a fact that Kendra Alexandra running for president on the communist party ticket in either 1976 or 1980 made nearly that exact quote. I heard her say it on a talkshow myself.

I just cannot wrap my head around the idea that someone could seriously think, "Maybe it would be okay to kill 25 million people." :eek:

klamath
10-24-2008, 08:52 AM
I just cannot wrap my head around the idea that someone could seriously think, "Maybe it would be okay to kill 25 million people." :eek:

That was quite a shock for me as a teenager.
I remember the talkshow host from KGO radio asking her questions.

"So Kendra you believe we should be a communist country?
"Yes"
"How do you want to bring that about?"
"We want to win through the election process."
"If you are elected with 51% of the vote what about the other 49% that didn't vote for you and don't agree with the communist system?"
"Why, why they will just have to be eliminated."

She was very close to Angela Davis and this little clip illustrates the mind set of this group of communists.

"Russian dissident and Nobel Laureate Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn criticized Davis's sympathy for the Soviet Union in a speech he delivered to the AFL-CIO on July 9, 1975 in New York City, pointing out hypocrisy in her attitude toward prisoners under Communist governments. According to Solzhenitsyn, a group of Czech dissidents “addressed an appeal to her: `Comrade Davis, you were in prison. You know how unpleasant it is to sit in prison, especially when you consider yourself innocent. You have such great authority now. Could you help our Czech prisoners? Could you stand up for those people in Czechoslovakia who are being persecuted by the state?' Angela Davis answered: 'They deserve what they get. Let them remain in prison.'”"

SeanEdwards
10-24-2008, 09:48 AM
The weather underground would have had to become a religion to kill that many people.

klamath
10-24-2008, 09:50 AM
The weather underground would have had to become a religion to kill that many people.

Communisn was a religion to them.

rpfan2008
10-24-2008, 09:53 AM
why tones is missing from this thread?!!

RickyJ
10-25-2008, 11:58 AM
Communisn was a religion to them.

Yep, and there are reports that Obama sought out Ayers and not the other way around upon arriving in Chicago.

sidster
10-25-2008, 12:57 PM
the way i see it is that WU seems to have enough balls to organize
and take action. their actions being right or wrong is obviously up
for debate. but they had the balls to do something about what they
believed in. that you can't take away from them.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-zkmZRx_jIk (watch the last few seconds)

Eventually they failed.


"The only kinds of fights worth fighting are those you are going to lose,
because somebody has to fight them and lose and lose and lose until someday,
somebody who believes as you do wins. In order for somebody to win an
important, major fight 100 years hence, a lot of other people have got to be
willing - for the sheer fun and joy of it - to go right ahead and fight,
knowing you're going to lose. You mustn't feel like a martyr. You've got to
enjoy it." -I. F. Stone (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I._F._Stone)

I came across above quote recently ... found it interesting.

klamath
10-25-2008, 01:04 PM
the way i see it is that WU seems to have enough balls to organize
and take action. their actions being right or wrong is obviously up
for debate. but they had the balls to do something about what they
believed in. that you can't take away from them.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-zkmZRx_jIk (watch the last few seconds)

Eventually they failed.


"The only kinds of fights worth fighting are those you are going to lose,
because somebody has to fight them and lose and lose and lose until someday,
somebody who believes as you do wins. In order for somebody to win an
important, major fight 100 years hence, a lot of other people have got to be
willing - for the sheer fun and joy of it - to go right ahead and fight,
knowing you're going to lose. You mustn't feel like a martyr. You've got to
enjoy it." -I. F. Stone (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I._F._Stone)

I came across above quote recently ... found it interesting.


The neocons had the balls to stand up and fight. Got to love them for that.:rolleyes:

Cowlesy
10-25-2008, 01:52 PM
When you guys were talking about Weather Underground, I thought you were talking about.

www.wunderground.com

oops

sidster
10-25-2008, 05:32 PM
When you guys were talking about Weather Underground, I thought you were talking about.

www.wunderground.com

oops

that's the reason i clicked on the thread as well.

sidster
10-25-2008, 05:37 PM
The neocons had the balls to stand up and fight. Got to love them for that.:rolleyes:

that is absolutely true. they win because they got the balls
to do what it takes to achieve their goals and objectives, to
further their ideology.

if you think you are going to change the world, or even your
local government by pussy protests, banner waiving you are
completely delusional.

once you observe that "peaceful" protests don't work, as
we are observing now. once you see that even "peaceful"
protesters, even journalists are grabbed in mass arrests
(think RNC, DNC, and recent debates). When you are only
allowed your freedom to protest and speak freely in designated
"free speech zones", you need change your game plan.
Otherwise, you are now another variety of sheep, following
the "rules" you are allowed to live by, and accept their
tyranny.

inibo
10-25-2008, 10:12 PM
You can say anything you want about the Weathermen or the SDS, but as one who was alive during those times I have to ask where was the Right during Vietnam? I'm not justifying their methods, but at least they tired.

RickyJ
10-25-2008, 10:16 PM
You can say anything you want about the Weathermen or the SDS, but as one who was alive during those times I have to ask where was the Right during Vietnam? I'm not justifying their methods, but at least they tired.

Their goal was communism. That is still Ayers' goal today. They weren't really so much against the war as they were against capitalism.

sidster
10-25-2008, 10:31 PM
Their goal was communism. That is still Ayers' goal today. They weren't really so much against the war as they were against capitalism.

there is just as much wrong with communism as there is with capitalism.
there is just as much right with communism as there is with capitalism.

do you have anything against families? your family? a family unit is
essentially a micro-communist entity.

inibo
10-25-2008, 10:56 PM
Their goal was communism. That is still Ayers' goal today. They weren't really so much against the war as they were against capitalism.

I won't argue with that, all I'm saying is that regardless of their motives or their goals they tried to hurt the war machine while Barry Goldwater--who I have since come to admire--and the rest of the traditional Right, including the John Birch Society--which I have also come to admire--were chastising Washington for not fighting to win.

klamath
10-26-2008, 09:16 AM
there is just as much wrong with communism as there is with capitalism.
there is just as much right with communism as there is with capitalism.

do you have anything against families? your family? a family unit is
essentially a micro-communist entity.

What I want to know is why you are even in the RP movement? If you believe communism and capitalism are the same why would you be following a man that believes in nearly unfettered capitalism as long as it has no control and influence over the government?

sidster
10-26-2008, 11:29 AM
What I want to know is why you are even in the RP movement? If you believe communism and capitalism are the same why would you be following a man that believes in nearly unfettered capitalism as long as it has no control and influence over the government?

Same question goes to you. Why are you in the RP movement when
you seem to have such hatred for family units (micro-communism)?

The problem, is you are following blindly something someone has said.
You should consider all possibilities, and not cling on to verbs and
nouns without much though behind them. That's how we have gotten
to a point where Patriotism means supporting Homeland Security,
and letting warrantless wire-tapping in the name of national security,
and believing that the current neo-con administration is representing
what being a Republican used to mean.

klamath
10-26-2008, 03:18 PM
Same question goes to you. Why are you in the RP movement when
you seem to have such hatred for family units (micro-communism)?

The problem, is you are following blindly something someone has said.
You should consider all possibilities, and not cling on to verbs and
nouns without much though behind them. That's how we have gotten
to a point where Patriotism means supporting Homeland Security,
and letting warrantless wire-tapping in the name of national security,
and believing that the current neo-con administration is representing
what being a Republican used to mean.

No I listened to what the communists said themselves. The problem I have with your support for communism is that you don't just support the theory you are supporting those that want to impose communism with pure force on those that don't believe it in this country. You are protecting those that openly stated they would kill 25 million people in this country to make their utopia work. Maybe you should ask RP what he thinks of communism? I suspect what he has to say about it would send you running back to the Obama camp. He may not want to go running around the world chasing communists but I can assure you RP would be fighting them tooth and nail in this country as he has been doing for thirty years.

sidster
10-26-2008, 06:06 PM
No I listened to what the communists said themselves. The problem I have with your support for communism is that you don't just support the theory you are supporting those that want to impose communism with pure force on those that don't believe it in this country. You are protecting those that openly stated they would kill 25 million people in this country to make their utopia work.

There you go getting your facts all screwed up. Either that
or you enjoy spreading false information. Where do you
come off suggesting that i support communism?

You watch a video on the net, where a "covert agent" makes
an outrageous claim that these folks wanted to eliminate
25 million Americans and you are already running with that
as proven fact.

Are you truly that gullible?



Maybe you should ask RP what he thinks of communism?

Unlike you I don't need to agree with any one person completely.
I am comfortable believing that each individual has a right to their
own beliefs. Furthermore, unlike you, I don't try to persecute folks
with opinions that are different than those I share.

Dr. Paul would be ashamed to know you are claiming to be a
student of his teachings.

klamath
10-26-2008, 07:52 PM
There you go getting your facts all screwed up. Either that


You watch a video on the net, where a "covert agent" makes
an outrageous claim that these folks wanted to eliminate
25 million Americans and you are already running with that
as proven fact.

Are you truly that gullible?




Unlike you I don't need to agree with any one person completely.
I am comfortable believing that each individual has a right to their
own beliefs. Furthermore, unlike you, I don't try to persecute folks
with opinions that are different than those I share.

Dr. Paul would be ashamed to know you are claiming to be a
student of his teachings.


Maybe we have missunderstanding but I will try point out how your posts came across to me.

First off you posted in a thread with a title about a group wanting to kill 25 million.

From the way I read your first post you didn't try and deny they wanted to do this you praised them for having the balls to take violent action. Violent action to achieve ones polical goals is the highest order of trying to force your opinion on others. If you read my post history I come down on anybody advocating violence to farther the goals of this and any other organization.

Second I read your second post as equating communism to a family unit and as this maybe true 20th century communism was anything but a family unit.

The WU openly cloned every word the Radio Moscow would put out. I listened to them a lot in the 70's. They openly followed and admired the soviet Union and Red china. The soviets and Mao killed better than 25 million in each of their countries to achieve utopia.
If you are of the belief that people were not killed in those countries then I will just say if we want to be that much in disbelief then how do we know if the Americans even killed anyone in Vietman, korea of Iraq.

Maybe I got you all wrong but that is the way I read your posts and if I am wrong I am glad. As far as Ayers goes I don't care what he believes and preaches as long and he doesn't try force me into his beliefs by bombing me at a NCO dance of breaking the windows out of my car.

sidster
10-26-2008, 09:54 PM
Maybe we have missunderstanding but I will try point out
how your posts came across to me.

First off you posted in a thread with a title about a group wanting to kill 25 million.

Which, if you watched the video, you can see that it is
the word of a government agent who was planted to bring
these folks down that you are believing.



From the way I read your first post you didn't try and deny they wanted to do this you praised them for having the balls to take violent action. Violent action to achieve ones polical goals is the highest order of trying to force your opinion on others. If you read my post history I come down on anybody advocating violence to farther the goals of this and any other organization.

A famous and great man once said:



... whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive
of these ends, it is the Right of the people to alter or
abolish it, and to institute new Government laying its
foundation on such principles and organizing its powers
in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect
their safety and Happiness.


As for someone "forcing" their opinions onto others, what says
you with respect the current oppressive regime has been forcing
their ideologies onto this country's citizens as well as the
rest of the world?


Second I read your second post as equating communism to a family unit and as this maybe true 20th century communism was anything but a family unit.


Communism is an ideology. It is pure theoretical form there is
nothing wrong with it. It starts falling apart and becoming
corrupt when in political practice. There are examples of
communism outside the political world that work really great.
For example, the GNU/Linux open source community is very
communist in nature.


Maybe I got you all wrong but that is the way I read your posts and if I am wrong I am glad. As far as Ayers goes I don't care what he believes and preaches as long and he doesn't try force me into his beliefs by bombing me at a NCO dance of breaking the windows out of my car.

We definitely disagree on things. But that is OK. As I said,
earlier, I prefer diversity over a borg society.

klamath
10-27-2008, 08:55 AM
Which, if you watched the video, you can see that it is
the word of a government agent who was planted to bring
these folks down that you are believing.

Fair enough. You looked at the video from an angle of whether to believe an agent that had an axe to grind and probably had a lot of bias. I came at it from the angle that I heard Kendra Alexandra leader of the US communist party state almost that exact wording herself.



A famous and great man once said:



... whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive
of these ends, it is the Right of the people to alter or
abolish it, and to institute new Government laying its
foundation on such principles and organizing its powers
in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect
their safety and Happiness.


As for someone "forcing" their opinions onto others, what says
you with respect the current oppressive regime has been forcing
their ideologies onto this country's citizens as well as the
rest of the world?

I don't disagree with you that our current and up coming regime are repressive and will be. The point is 1 million of us voted for RP and probably 60 million or better are going to vote for Obama. The American people are choosing this. Am I going to go out and start blowing up buildings because the majority voted against what I believe is free. No. The American people had a choice but they voted for more oppression so I guess that is their free will. The horror of bringing the insanity of war to America is something I can't get behind. Even if I could bring myself to support a civil war the outcome even if we thought our side won probably would end up being less freedom than we have now because when you pit 1 million ideas of freedom against 150 million ideas of oppression the resulting government would end up looking like the one we have now or worse.


Communism is an ideology. It is pure theoretical form there is
nothing wrong with it. It starts falling apart and becoming
corrupt when in political practice. There are examples of
communism outside the political world that work really great.
For example, the GNU/Linux open source community is very
communist in nature.

I don't disagree.



We definitely disagree on things. But that is OK. As I said,
earlier, I prefer diversity over a borg society.

I agree:D It is always the free exchange of ideas that works toward more freedom unless we kill each other in the process:D