Your biggest fears about an Obama Presidency?

[lodge939]

considering the huge advantage in congress...maybe even a supermajority...


Supreme Court
Fairness doctrine
Him being humiliated by dictators
FDR type economy controls


these things could have lasting and dangerous consequences. his taxing, spending and liberal views we can survive like we did Carter.

[ItsTime]

His followers mindless doing what he says. Much like supporters of Stalin or Hitler did. That is what I love about this movement we hold our leaders to the fire.

[Kludge]

National Service
"Foreclosure Protection"
Increased powers for the "Welfare State"
Aggressive Interventionism
People "believe" in him...

[Printo]

Socialism

[nobody's_hero]

I'm concerned about the socialism aspect, too.

I'm worried he'll find a way to make it work, sort of how Castro did in Cuba (I'm not saying Cuba doesn't have problems, I'm not even sure if Cuba's government is running up a deficit, but Castro is still in power, so, in that sense, it worked for him). Of course, we have elections every four years so there's some chance that someone who isn't that skilled at socialism could come in and screw things up, but—I got chills when the stock market started to recover from that 936pt. drop last Monday.

Today it ended 500 points down. If we can just survive the initial onslaught of people crying out that this is because "the $700 billion bail-out didn't do enough, and we actually need more", maybe things will get so bad that we'll resort to a free-market.

[dannno]

CIA assassination followed by a Biden administration.

[Mini-Me]

My biggest fear is that too many people love him to view his policies critically, and he will be given pretty much free reign...I smell a "Newer Deal" coming and a lot of suffering because of it.

[dannno]

I think John McCain is more of a socialist that Obama. Remember that corporate socialism came long before welfare. In fact, I would argue that the reason welfare was neccessary was due to the decades of corporate socialism that preceded it. How many people here who are talking about Obama being a socialist think that Iraq is a form of socialism? Probably none of you, but if you thought about it critically and perhaps paid a little more attention during the film Zeitgeist Addendum that you hate so much, you would understand that all of our military and clandestine operations that are funded by drug cartels who are in cahootz with the CIA are in fact socialist programs for elite global corporations, destroying the land of the inhabitants of civilizations all over the planet. You would realize that it is the poor who are paying for the social welfare of the elite and it's not just the other way around. You would remember when you hear things like 1/3 of corporations avoid paying any taxes rather than forget it. But you don't. All you can do is complain about poor people.

John McCain has no problem going lock-step with the elites who fund him. Obama tends to go lock-step, but he at least rationalizes his decisions with some semblance of principles.

John McCain is 10x more dangerous than Obama, however Obama is still an establishment lackey and I cannot support him in any way, shape or form.

[Mini-Me]

I think John McCain is more of a socialist that Obama. Remember that corporate socialism came long before welfare. In fact, I would argue that the reason welfare was neccessary was due to the decades of corporate socialism that preceded it. How many people here who are talking about Obama being a socialist think that Iraq is a form of socialism? Probably none of you, but if you thought about it critically and perhaps paid a little more attention during the film Zeitgeist Addendum that you hate so much, you would understand that all of our military and clandestine operations that are funded by drug cartels who are in cahootz with the CIA are in fact socialist programs for elite global corporations, destroying the land of the inhabitants of civilizations all over the planet. You would realize that it is the poor who are paying for the social welfare of the elite and it's not just the other way around. You would remember when you hear things like 1/3 of corporations avoid paying any taxes rather than forget it. But you don't. All you can do is complain about poor people.

John McCain has no problem going lock-step with the elites who fund him. Obama tends to go lock-step, but he at least rationalizes his decisions with some semblance of principles.

John McCain is 10x more dangerous than Obama, however Obama is still an establishment lackey and I cannot support him in any way, shape or form.

This is a good post. :) While I'm scared to death of a "Newer Deal" and what it might mean for all of us, there's no denying the fact that corporate welfare is much more insidious than welfare for the poor. The power of government to enact one of these programs ultimately results in the other being enacted as well, but the difference still stands. That said, I would argue that Obama is for corporate welfare just as much as McCain, and even corporate welfare for the military-industrial complex in particular.

EDIT: I should also mention that I'm quite worried about further loss of sovereignty and such. Obama's going to have a much easier time than McCain would in painting the NAU in a positive light, for example. Also, Biden's comments the other day are just plain creepy, and I don't even want to know what they might mean...NAU? A draft? It's tough to tell, but it can't be good. I believe an Obama Presidency will do more for expanding our movement than a McCain Presidency, but I also think it might be more dangerous in and of itself than a McCain Presidency. I could be wrong on either count, but that's the way I tentatively see things.

[nobody's_hero]

I think John McCain is more of a socialist that Obama. Remember that corporate socialism came long before welfare. In fact, I would argue that the reason welfare was neccessary was due to the decades of corporate socialism that preceded it. How many people here who are talking about Obama being a socialist think that Iraq is a form of socialism? Probably none of you, but if you thought about it critically and perhaps paid a little more attention during the film Zeitgeist Addendum that you hate so much, you would understand that all of our military and clandestine operations that are funded by drug cartels who are in cahootz with the CIA are in fact socialist programs for elite global corporations, destroying the land of the inhabitants of civilizations all over the planet. You would realize that it is the poor who are paying for the social welfare of the elite and it's not just the other way around. You would remember when you hear things like 1/3 of corporations avoid paying any taxes rather than forget it. But you don't. All you can do is complain about poor people.

John McCain has no problem going lock-step with the elites who fund him. Obama tends to go lock-step, but he at least rationalizes his decisions with some semblance of principles.

John McCain is 10x more dangerous than Obama, however Obama is still an establishment lackey and I cannot support him in any way, shape or form.

I'll say this was a good post, as well. There's no way we can let McCain off the hook, either. McCain is as much of a threat, if not more, especially since he sees nothing wrong with assisting the corporations that are 'too big to fail.'

If that isn't welfare, I don't know what is.

[torchbearer]

I'm afriad he won't do something stupid, thus delaying the coming revolution.

[Deborah K]

Full-blown socialism and communism. This creep will surely merge our country and gov't with our neighboring socialist gov'ts. Look at what has been in the works these past few years:

http://www.fina-nafi.org/eng/triumvirat08/default.asp?langue=eng&menu=triumvirat08

In case you don't know what 'Triumvirate' means: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triumvirate

"The term triumvirate (from Latin, "of three men") is commonly used to describe a political regime dominated by three powerful individuals."

If you don't get that they are actively working to indoctrinate our youth yet, then look at this from Arizona State University:
http://nacts.asu.edu/

And this from American University:
http://www.american.edu/ia/cnas/index.cfm

[dannno]

And this from American University:
http://www.american.edu/ia/cnas/index.cfm


WTF?!!


Dr. Robert A. Pastor

http://www.american.edu/ia/images/pastorsm.jpg


I keep seeing this guy EVERYWHERE with different names, all of his characters are related to the NWO some how, even though one of the places I remember him from is describing the WTC towers would be able to take "multiple" impacts from an aircraft..

I can't remember the other place I saw him, but I remember he had a different name, and now bam, this guy!

[Mini-Me]

WTF?!!


Dr. Robert A. Pastor

http://www.american.edu/ia/images/pastorsm.jpg


I keep seeing this guy EVERYWHERE with different names, all of his characters are related to the NWO some how, even though one of the places I remember him from is describing the WTC towers would be able to take "multiple" impacts from an aircraft..

I can't remember the other place I saw him, but I remember he had a different name, and now bam, this guy!

:eek:
If you really are seeing the same guy everywhere, that's just creepy. Maybe you should start a running list, save the pages every time you see him, etc...such obvious fraud and collusion between apparently "separate" efforts of globalists would constitute more evidence that the NAU, NWO, etc. are concerted, planned efforts.

[Deborah K]

WTF?!!


Dr. Robert A. Pastor

http://www.american.edu/ia/images/pastorsm.jpg


I keep seeing this guy EVERYWHERE with different names, all of his characters are related to the NWO some how, even though one of the places I remember him from is describing the WTC towers would be able to take "multiple" impacts from an aircraft..

I can't remember the other place I saw him, but I remember he had a different name, and now bam, this guy!

Check this out, Danno:

http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=16189

and this:

http://bookstore.petersoninstitute.org/book-store/331.html

I don't know anything about alias's, but I do know that this guy is considered the architect of the NAU.

[DAFTEK]

I'm afriad he won't do something stupid, thus delaying the coming revolution.

I beg to disagree :p

I think he will blow up like the Obomba he is... :D

Personally i say my daily grace hoping that he becomes president and gets back on the crakpipe and thus accelerate the Revolution to come :)

[dannno]

WTF?!!


Dr. Robert A. Pastor

http://www.american.edu/ia/images/pastorsm.jpg


I keep seeing this guy EVERYWHERE


Well I'm not 100% sure about this, but this Frank A. De Martini (supposedly now dead) looks and sounds just like Robert Pastor, but you have really watch and listen to them talk, cause otherwise this guy looks much less "preppy":


Frank A. Demartini, on-site construction manager for the World Trade Center:

http://www.inmemoriamonline.net/Profiles/GIF_Pictures/D_PictureFolder/DeMartini_Frank.gif

http://www.grandtheftcountry.com/facts/911/towers/images/demartini_00.jpg

[torchbearer]

I beg to disagree :p

I think he will blow up like the Obomba he is... :D

Personally i say my daily grace hoping that he becomes president and gets back on the crakpipe and thus accelerate the Revolution to come :)

That is my hope... but my fear is that he won't.

[Isaac Bickerstaff]

I fear an Obama presidency will be identical to a McCain presidency.

[rwbris18]

Being called a "D##$ Racist" every time I disagree with his policies.

[tpreitzel]

considering the huge advantage in congress...maybe even a supermajority...


Supreme Court
Fairness doctrine
Him being humiliated by dictators
FDR type economy controls


these things could have lasting and dangerous consequences. his taxing, spending and liberal views we can survive like we did Carter.

None of the above. With likely Democratic majorities in Congress, my biggest fear is ramrodding more treaties down our throats to cede more of our sovereignty to international organizations.

[Deborah K]

Well I'm not 100% sure about this, but this Frank A. De Martini (supposedly now dead) looks and sounds just like Robert Pastor, but you have really watch and listen to them talk, cause otherwise this guy looks much less "preppy":


Frank A. Demartini, on-site construction manager for the World Trade Center:

http://www.inmemoriamonline.net/Profiles/GIF_Pictures/D_PictureFolder/DeMartini_Frank.gif

http://www.grandtheftcountry.com/facts/911/towers/images/demartini_00.jpg

I see a resemblance but I don't think it is the same person. I've been learning about Pastor for the past 2 years and have seen him interviewed many times. Here's one where Lou Dobbs rips him a new one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4NHWtdNeUUg

Wait until you hear what this POS says.....

And here's another Lou Dobbs tube that has Ron Paul in it from 2006! Dobbs calls Pastor "an out of control elitist".
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2kjsy2Z3kdI&feature=related

And then there's this: http://www.jbs.org/index.php/national-sovereignty-blog/1820-robert-pastor-is-still-promoting-a-north-american-un-errrr-community

[tonesforjonesbones]

THIS...on a wide scale. TONES

http://www.thepittsburghchannel.com/news/17789356/detail.html

Expect it and be prepared.

[silus]

I dont understand the statement about "being humilated by dictators."

[dannno]

I see a resemblance but I don't think it is the same person. I've been learning about Pastor for the past 2 years and have seen him interviewed many times. Here's one where Lou Dobbs rips him a new one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4NHWtdNeUUg

Wait until you hear what this POS says.....

And here's another Lou Dobbs tube that has Ron Paul in it from 2006! Dobbs calls Pastor "an out of control elitist".
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2kjsy2Z3kdI&feature=related

And then there's this: http://www.jbs.org/index.php/national-sovereignty-blog/1820-robert-pastor-is-still-promoting-a-north-american-un-errrr-community

Post that on this thread:

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=164522

Make sure you checkout the Youtube and the other samples people have posted. That second picture you are comparing him with, I do not like.. It's a side angle with bad jpeg compression. I can't find a good photo of DeMartini except the one where he is looking all scraggly with the beard.

Since this is the illumaniti we are dealing with, I wouldn't be surprised if this guy had a make-over, I don't to say plastic surgery neccessarily, but you never know. Maybe he wanted some anyway, cause basically it looks like the same guy, slightly younger, but damn, they SOUND exactly the same.

[Matt Collins]

The worst part about Obama being President is that he'll have full run of the House and Senate too. Hopefully that will only last for 2 years.

[angelatc]

His followers mindless doing what he says. Much like supporters of Stalin or Hitler did. That is what I love about this movement we hold our leaders to the fire.

Yeah, that, and the public stoning of those who disagree.

What's not to fear? The draft, mandatory national service, higher taxes, government health care...the continued insinuation that we're just too stupid to realize that the government is helping us....

too depressing to even continue!

[lodge939]

I dont understand the statement about "being humilated by dictators."
Well, he's gonna meet with all those America-hating assholes, they'll get a nice photo op and then leak their opinions on how pathetic he was and how nothing got accomplished.

Iran's deputy said a few days ago Iran is willing to talk with the US once the US withdraws support for Israel and removes all troops from the Middle East. Obama has been bragging how he will meet with Iran without preconditions, yet if Iran refuses to meet with him and sets their own preconditions, the US will be a laughing stock.

[Lovecraftian4Paul]

My biggest fear is that the Dems will end up with total control of everything. Super-majorities in both chambers of Congress and the White House. Obama would be in a position as good, if not better than Bush in 2003 when the GOP dominated everything. We see how well that turned out.

That said, nothing is going to make me waste my vote on McWar/Failin' nor the neo-con Norm Coleman for Senator this November.

[Lucille]

considering the huge advantage in congress...maybe even a supermajority...


Supreme Court
Fairness doctrine
Him being humiliated by dictators
FDR type economy controls


these things could have lasting and dangerous consequences. his taxing, spending and liberal views we can survive like we did Carter.

Mark Stein (http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=Nzk5MWY5YjU0MDI0ODFkYTZjMDQ2MjlhZDM0MjAwNTA=&w=MA==):


I agree with Thomas Sowell that an Obama-Pelosi supermajority will mark what he calls “a point of no return”. (http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2006/08/point_of_no_return.html) It would not be, as some naysayers scoff, “Jimmy Carter’s second term”, but something far more transformative. The new president would front the fourth great wave of liberal annexation — the first being FDR’s New Deal, the second LBJ’s Great Society, and the third the incremental but remorseless cultural advance when Reagan conservatives began winning victories at the ballot box and liberals turned their attention to the other levers of the society, from grade school up. The terrorist educator William Ayers, Obama’s patron in Chicago, is an exemplar of the last model: forty years ago, he was in favor of blowing up public buildings; then he figured out it was easier to get inside and undermine them from within.

All three liberal waves have transformed American expectations of the state. The spirit of the age is: Ask not what your country can do for you, demand it.

[...]

An Obama Administration will pitch America toward EU domestic policy and UN foreign policy. Thomas Sowell is right: It would be a “point of no return”, the most explicit repudiation of the animating principles of America. For a vigilant republic of limited government and self-reliant citizens, it would be a Declaration of Dependence.

I'm thinking the Republic will crumble under its own weight. And then we'll have the opportunity to rebuild it - freer, cleaner, smaller.

If we don't get that opportunity, there'll still be a few free states to live in ... hopefully.

[hypnagogue]

McCain scares me more. If 'scare' is the right word. I'm not sure it is.

[EndTheFed]

I think John McCain...

3rd Party or Die



Hmmm 3rd party and die....

[Kludge]

Hmmm 3rd party and die....

Robocracy and immortal is the best combination, IMO.

[JoshLowry]

FOX ratings going through the roof.


Tones posting on RPF.

[mediahasyou]

FOX ratings going through the roof.


Tones posting on RPF.


lol.

[Kludge]

Tones posting on RPF.



Hm... Is Tones single? Think I could do the "shoulder to cry on" thing...?

[lucius]

Regardless who wins, there will be more of this:


The technetronic era involves the gradual appearance of a more controlled society. Such a society would be dominated by an elite, unrestrained by traditional values [like liberty and democracy]. Soon it will be possible to assert almost continuous surveillance over every citizen and maintain up-to-date complete files containing even the most personal information about the citizen. These files will be subject to instantaneous retrieval by the authorities.

Zbigniew Brezenski, National Security Advisor to President Carter, CFR member and first Director of the Trilateral Commission wrote of a society controlled by a Power Elite in his 1970 book, Between Two Ages: America's Role in the Technetronic Era.

[Isaac Bickerstaff]

The worst part about Obama being President is that he'll have full run of the House and Senate too. Hopefully that will only last for 2 years.

Obama is a neo-con, or at least his handlers are. An Obama presidency may actually be more destructive if the Republicans/neo-cons had control of both houses. The welfare for billionaire's bill was Republican after all, and Obama voted for it. There are still plenty of Democrats out there that oppose the Republicans/neo-cons, and may get disgusted with Obama because of his neo-con tendencies.

You are probably right though, the Democrats have a long and shameful history of voting along the party line--as do the Republicans.

[Alawn]

Loss of sovereignty to the UN
Carbon Taxes
Extreme socialism
Being able to push through any abusive law he wants with congress on his side
The zombie cult member public worshiping him like a god and never questioning anything he does
Squashing of all dissent
Government control of every aspect of our lives
More hardcore socialist SC judges that don't care about the constitution

[NewEnd]

National Service
"Foreclosure Protection"
Increased powers for the "Welfare State"
Aggressive Interventionism



I'll take those. Also, reversion to Democrats obsessive chipping of the second.

McCain still scares me more, and Palin, well, she's an ignorant whackjob.

[RickyJ]

Him getting shot would be really bad for Americans. The elite would love it though.

Not that it matters, he won't win unless they fix the election.

[JeNNiF00F00]

civil war.

[NewEnd]

civil war.

oh yeah, biggest fear for sure. A race war / sectarian violence kind of thing. Some times I feel like that is what is being set up. 9-11 = emergency number, obama biden - Osama Bin Laden, the left and blacks are made into inhuman terrorists, the right gets pegged for stealing the election or assassinating Obama. I am very unsettled that the ticket came so close to reading Osama bin Laden... it looks like a psy-ops thing to me.

[qh4dotcom]

Hyperinflation

[jlaker]

Is there something not to fear.:confused:

[vodalian]

My biggest fear is the loss of lives, that always comes first for me. Obama plans to continue waging war in the middle east under the facade of the "global war on terror" and refuses to take military options off the table when it comes to Iran and Russia. Other than that, I'm not looking forward to losing even more freedom and the chaos that will be created once Obama fucks our economy more than it has already been fucked. Either way, whether it's Obama or McCain, we have grim days ahead of us.