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Feenix566
10-22-2008, 12:29 PM
First of all I'd like to start off by saying that no one ever gets to vote for their ideal candidate. We can talk all day about what the ideal candidate would do, but on voting day, you only get to vote for the people on the ballot. I think that's worth keeping in mind as you read the rest of this.

Second, I'd like to stress that a vote in the presidential general election doesn't mean much. It certainly doesn't mean nearly as much as the mainstream media would like us to think it does. This whole charade is really nothing more than a distraction to keep our attention while the man behind the curtain takes care of what really matters. The President doesn't get to write laws. Only the Congress can do that. The Congress decides what programs get money, what regulations exist, and ultimately they decide where and if our troops get deployed. If there is any hope for this country, it lies with overtaking Congress, not the White House. Also, voting doesn't change much. Contributing does. Campaigns run on contributions. Money buys votes. Most of America votes for whomever ran the most ads in their market. Like it or not, that's the way it works.

Now, on to my point. A lot of people here, myself included, have talked about how dumb it is to vote for the lesser of two evils. It's a terrible thing to do to your country to hold your nose and vote for a candidate you don't really like just to keep another guy whom you dislike even more out of office. And that's a great argument *against* voting for any of the third party candidates!

I can't stand Barr. He wrote the Defense of Marriage Act. (aka "we hate gays") He voted for a Patriot Act. (aka "take away all your civil rights") and he's been a fierce proponent of the War on Drugs. (aka "The War on Americans"). He refused to show up for the third party debates, which makes him no better than the Republicrats who try to keep all other voices silent.

I can't stand Chuck Baldwin. He supports keeping the ten commandments posted outside every court house. He thinks homosexuality is a moral perversion. He compiled a booklet entitled "What Every Christian Should Know About Islam", which sounds a lot to me like a call for holy war.

Ralph Nader's a socialist, and so are everyone in the Green Party, so they're immediately unqualified for my vote.

I definitely don't like Obama, because he's a socialist. He probably wants to send our troops into Sudan and Pakistan, risking nuclear war with the latter. He probably wants to cede American sovereignty to the United Nations.

I'm not a huge fan of McCain, either. He probably wants to start a war with Iran. He reversed his position on brining the troops home which he held when we had our troops occupying Somalia. He reversed his position advocating more deregulation. He's done a piss poor job of making his case. He says he wants less government, but I'm not sure he believes it.

Oh, and write-in votes don't count.

So, now I find myself in the position of having to make a choice between the lesser of six evils.

Now, McCain does have a few good policy positions. He's in favor of school choice. I personally believe that improving the quality of our education system, particularily in the area of math, is the only way to improve the state of our country in the long run. People need to understand math so that they can understand economics. Only then will they demand that our government really enforce property rights. McCain has done a terrible job of advocating his position on school choice. If I were him, I'd be sure an mention it during every debate. but he hasn't. McCain has also said he'll take a hatchet to the federal budget, and he's stood by that position even in the face of criticism from Obama. We need a fiscal conservative in the White House now more than ever, and between the two of them, McCain talks a better game.

McCain has run a terrible campaign. He hasn't stood by his positions. He's told the American people what he thinks that want to hear rather than try to explain to them why he's right. He's caved in to the media, and he's reduced the Republican party to the status of "Democrats Lite".

However, from among the choices on the ballot, McCain is the best one. He's not the path to a libertarian sociaty. That lies in other candidates like BJ Lawson. I didn't contribute to McCain's campaign. I did contribute to Lawson's. I'm voting for McCain, and I'm really hoping that Lawson wins.

Truth Warrior
10-22-2008, 12:30 PM
How Can You Think Voting Matters? (http://www.lewrockwell.com/alston/alston50.html)
Actually, it does, says Wilt Alston, just not in the way you think.

heavenlyboy34
10-22-2008, 12:32 PM
How Can You Think Voting Matters? (http://www.lewrockwell.com/alston/alston50.html)
Actually, it does, says Wilt Alston, just not in the way you think.

I love this column. :)

dannno
10-22-2008, 12:33 PM
Blood will be on YOUR hands. I hope you are prepared to accept the responsibility.

micahnelson
10-22-2008, 12:33 PM
Don't vote for someone you don't support. If you vote for him, you own his mistakes. I own Bush's policies because of my uniformed voting.

dannno
10-22-2008, 12:34 PM
You are a fool for even listening to McCain's campaign rhetoric.

You are a fool for thinking that Nader would be worse than McCain when Ron Paul specifically outlined the four most important issues of the day, and we all agree on them, and McCain agrees with none of them. Don't you see the absolute stupidity of your logic? Go ahead and support the establishment you fucking pig. :mad:

Truth Warrior
10-22-2008, 12:36 PM
I love this column. :) Check this one out too. ;)


I Don't Mind If You Keep Voting, But Do You Mind If I Keep Laughing While You Do?
by Wilton D. Alston (rock.marathoner@gmail.com)
http://www.strike-the-root.com/82/alston/alston1.html


:D

dannno
10-22-2008, 12:38 PM
http://www.w3bdevil.com/forums/Thread-Sucks-Come_for-Bush.jpg

dannno
10-22-2008, 12:43 PM
Feenix566 thinks he is smart because he wants to block Obama from being President. Feenix566 thinks that his vote is going to change the outcome of the election. Feenix566 doesn't understand that the concept of voting is throwing your support behind something or someone you SUPPORT and that strategic voting with your individual vote is stupid because it doesn't change anything.

Feenix566 is part of the problem. Feenix566 will waste his vote supporting the establishment like a piece of sheople.

Feenix566
10-22-2008, 12:48 PM
Have any of you guys actually read my post? Stop posting knee-jerk reactions and read what I wrote.

Or don't. I don't care. Your opinions won't influence me unless you can back them up with rational points.

TER
10-22-2008, 12:50 PM
vote for whoever you want.

Also, there's bound to be John McCain forums you could visit and discuss important issues with like-minded people.

Truth Warrior
10-22-2008, 12:51 PM
Have any of you guys actually read my post? Stop posting knee-jerk reactions and read what I wrote.

Or don't. I don't care. Your opinions won't influence me unless you can back them up with rational points. OK, I read it. I stand by my "rational points" posts. ;)

dannno
10-22-2008, 12:56 PM
Have any of you guys actually read my post? Stop posting knee-jerk reactions and read what I wrote.

Or don't. I don't care. Your opinions won't influence me unless you can back them up with rational points.

I'm not trying to influence you. The point is you have completely failed to see that this is an issue of the people vs. the establishment. McCain and Obama represent the establishment. Ron Paul, Nader, Barr (probably), Baldwin and McKinney, and nearly everybody on this messageboard represent and support the interests of the people and freedom. You are supporting the establishment by voting McCain, and IMO that is the WORST decision you can make. Period.

acptulsa
10-22-2008, 12:56 PM
Thank you for making your case rationally and respectfully feenix. If from here you go on to fail to spam these boards I will be all the more grateful.

I am not swayed. McCain has had ample opportunity to preserve, protect and defend the Constitution and he has regularly failed. His pandering to us has been outrageous, his warmongering puts even Biden to shame, and his treatment of various people from the Navajos on the reservation (whom he was instrumental in poisioning with uranium pilings) to his wives to his fellow P.O.W.s show no hint that he ever cared about anyone but himself--ever. And, to top it off, socialists like Nader and McKinney may well lead us to a Worker's Paradise, but McCain in my best prognostication will do it just as quick, put bigger assholes in charge and pay much less mind to the Constitution in the process. One of the independents might just save the Bill of Rights and dust it off. I don't for a second believe McCain would be so polite.

So, no thanks. But I appreciate your civility and your good attempts at rational arguments for your position.

angelatc
10-22-2008, 01:00 PM
First of all I'd like to start off by saying that no one ever gets to vote for their ideal candidate. We can talk all day about what the ideal candidate would do, but on voting day, you only get to vote for the people on the ballot. I think that's worth keeping in mind as you read the rest of this.

I read the title and I am not reading any more.

McCain sucks and so do you. That's my polite rationalization.

Alawn
10-22-2008, 01:01 PM
I cast my mail in vote for Barr. In my opinion even though McCain is horrible Obama is 1000 times worse and is the worst possible person in the world to be president. If you live in a state that strongly leans either republican or democrat then you vote doesn't matter that much and you should vote 3rd party. But if you live in a battle ground state it is at least worth considering voting for the lesser of two evils.

dannno
10-22-2008, 01:06 PM
But if you live in a battle ground state it is at least worth considering voting for the lesser of two evils.

Why? The only time I can picture myself doing that is if I actually thought I would be casting a tie-breaking vote.. like if I were on a city council with 5 other people or something. There's no way this is going to come down to a single voter swinging a state.

Feenix566
10-22-2008, 01:10 PM
Thank you for making your case rationally and respectfully feenix. If from here you go on to fail to spam these boards I will be all the more grateful.

I am not swayed. McCain has had ample opportunity to preserve, protect and defend the Constitution and he has regularly failed. His pandering to us has been outrageous, his warmongering puts even Biden to shame, and his treatment of various people from the Navajos on the reservation (whom he was instrumental in poisioning with uranium pilings) to his wives to his fellow P.O.W.s show no hint that he ever cared about anyone but himself--ever. And, to top it off, socialists like Nader and McKinney may well lead us to a Worker's Paradise, but McCain in my best prognostication will do it just as quick, put bigger assholes in charge and pay much less mind to the Constitution in the process. One of the independents might just save the Bill of Rights and dust it off. I don't for a second believe McCain would be so polite.

So, no thanks. But I appreciate your civility and your good attempts at rational arguments for your position.

Thanks for taking the time to read it. I suspect you're the only one who has.

Like I said, I'm not trying to say McCain's a great candidate. He isn't. But my point is that Obama, Barr, Baldwin, Nader, and McKinney are all worse. I think they would all take us down the road to socialism and less freedom faster.

I'm not going to hold my nose and vote for a candidate I dislike just so I can maintain my position as "anti-establishment".

Truth Warrior
10-22-2008, 01:13 PM
http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i304/Truth_Warrior/vote-for-nobody.jpg

dannno
10-22-2008, 01:17 PM
I'm not going to hold my nose and vote for a candidate I dislike just so I can maintain my position as "anti-establishment".



That's because you don't understand how the system works.

When you finally realize that it is the establishment that is attempting to subvert our freedoms, then maybe you will get it.


Why is it that you have so little respect for Ron Paul? I mean, he gathered together 4 candidates, outlined the four most important stances in existence that are currently leading us towards tyranny and economic failure, got all 4 candidates to agree on these points, and McCain disagrees with ALL four points. What part of this logic train I just explained are you missing? Socialism isn't just giving money to individuals. Socialism is giving money to huge corporations on the military industrial complex. This hurts individuals and is the reason why socialism for individuals was implimented. Corporate and military socialism existed long before welfare. Your version of socialism is limited to hippy leftists who want to give money to poor people. At least they are smart enough to recognize there is a problem, they simply have the wrong solution. We have a better one, but their solution is a better solution than continuing to let the establishment destroy us. You have been fooled by the establishment again, and your lack of understanding is leading you to making a really stupid horrible decision.

Truth Warrior
10-22-2008, 01:19 PM
"The system is corrupt, beyond redemption, and is not worthy of my support!"

ronpaulhawaii
10-22-2008, 01:19 PM
Have any of you guys actually read my post? Stop posting knee-jerk reactions and read what I wrote.

Or don't. I don't care. Your opinions won't influence me unless you can back them up with rational points.

http://www.charlestoncitypaper.com/gyrobase/Content?oid=oid%3A53680


Neither Obama nor McCain pass either of my litmus tests, and the Republican nominee is arguably even worse than his Democratic opponent. As Libertarian Justin Raimondo aptly put it, the only thing Obama promises to change concerning our current foreign policy is the battlefield. McCain wants to send more troops to both Iraq and Afghanistan, and if he and his neoconservative advisers get their way, possibly Iran and Georgia. And whereas Obama merely supports amnesty, McCain along with Ted Kennedy actually sponsored the bill.

Feenix566
10-22-2008, 01:27 PM
I like amnesty. It's one of the two issues on which I disagree with Ron Paul. That's actually one of the things I like about McCain.


There's one more thing I wanted to mention but forgot in my initial post. When Ralph Nader's vote count in Florida in 2000 was greater than the difference between Gore and Bush, did everyone in the Democratic party take notice and move more towards Nader's positions? No. Of course not! All they did was blame Nader for Bush's win! There's no reason to believe that the Republican reaction to a big voter turnout for Barr would be any different. They wouldn't change their ways and become more libertarian. All they'd do would be to blame Barr for Obama's win.

You can't cause real change by voting third party. Sorry, that's just life. The only way we're ever going to have more than two viable parties in this country is if the laws that govern our election process are changed. The only way to do that is to take over one of the major parties. Yeah, it stinks. But that's our situation. We can accept it and deal with it, or we can deny reality and live in a delusion.

Truth Warrior
10-22-2008, 01:30 PM
"You must be the change you wish to see in the world." -- Mahatma Gandhi

ronpaulhawaii
10-22-2008, 01:37 PM
I like amnesty. It's one of the two issues on which I disagree with Ron Paul. That's actually one of the things I like about McCain.


There's one more thing I wanted to mention but forgot in my initial post. When Ralph Nader's vote count in Florida in 2000 was greater than the difference between Gore and Bush, did everyone in the Democratic party take notice and move more towards Nader's positions? No. Of course not! All they did was blame Nader for Bush's win! There's no reason to believe that the Republican reaction to a big voter turnout for Barr would be any different. They wouldn't change their ways and become more libertarian. All they'd do would be to blame Barr for Obama's win.

You can't cause real change by voting third party. Sorry, that's just life. The only way we're ever going to have more than two viable parties in this country is if the laws that govern our election process are changed. The only way to do that is to take over one of the major parties. Yeah, it stinks. But that's our situation. We can accept it and deal with it, or we can deny reality and live in a delusion.

You think you can cause real change by empowering the tools of the murdering banksters by voting for the false dichotomy of the republicratic demublicans?

Bwwwwahahhahhahahhahhhahah <sorry couldn't resist>

Bush is responsible for the greatest growth/spending in Gov't since FDR. As well as the greatest erosion of individual freedom that I know of. No Child left behind... The drug entitlement program... etc. etc. McCain is more of the same

Most of us are conservatives, too bad the GOP "leaders" have led their party away from us. The fact is that most of us still have principals and will not sacrifice them for the sake of unity.

And any argument about throwing the vote to the neo-libs falls flat since we have the option of www.votepact.org. I've already found a partner :D

Feenix566
10-22-2008, 02:04 PM
You think you can cause real change by empowering the tools of the murdering banksters by voting for the false dichotomy of the republicratic demublicans?


No, I don't. I said that in my opener. You can't cause real change with your presidential vote. You can by making campaign contributions. Real change won't be made in the White House this year. It probably won't be made in Congress, either. But Congress is the only place where we can make real progress. So make a campaign contribution to BJ Lawson!

heavenlyboy34
10-22-2008, 02:15 PM
That's because you don't understand how the system works.

When you finally realize that it is the establishment that is attempting to subvert our freedoms, then maybe you will get it.


Why is it that you have so little respect for Ron Paul? I mean, he gathered together 4 candidates, outlined the four most important stances in existence that are currently leading us towards tyranny and economic failure, got all 4 candidates to agree on these points, and McCain disagrees with ALL four points. What part of this logic train I just explained are you missing? Socialism isn't just giving money to individuals. Socialism is giving money to huge corporations on the military industrial complex. This hurts individuals and is the reason why socialism for individuals was implimented. Corporate and military socialism existed long before welfare. Your version of socialism is limited to hippy leftists who want to give money to poor people. At least they are smart enough to recognize there is a problem, they simply have the wrong solution. We have a better one, but their solution is a better solution than continuing to let the establishment destroy us. You have been fooled by the establishment again, and your lack of understanding is leading you to making a really stupid horrible decision.

I call that fascism, personally.

ronpaulhawaii
10-22-2008, 02:39 PM
No, I don't. I said that in my opener. You can't cause real change with your presidential vote. You can by making campaign contributions. Real change won't be made in the White House this year. It probably won't be made in Congress, either. But Congress is the only place where we can make real progress. So make a campaign contribution to BJ Lawson!

I was responding to this


You can't cause real change by voting third party.Regardless, if you say,


You can't cause real change with your presidential vote. why is your post titled ,


"I'm voting for McCain, Here's why..."?

Meanwhile you say,


Now, McCain does have a few good policy positions.and follow with


He hasn't stood by his positions. even worse is this section is prefaced with a few


He reversed his positionstatements

Going on, you say,


We need a fiscal conservative in the White House now more than everonly it is prefaced with


He says he wants less government, but I'm not sure he believes it.Finally, we see,


McCain talks a better game.Even putting all of the previous confusion aside, don't actions speak louder than words?

tonesforjonesbones
10-22-2008, 02:47 PM
I heard on the news today that a very large percentage of people polled admitted that McCain is more qualified to be president but will vote for Obama anyway. Sometimes this forum I believe to be in this group. How come the big banksters are supporting Obama? I know that Buffett, Rockefellers and Soros support Komrade Obama. That is quite telling. Tones

EndTheFed
10-22-2008, 02:52 PM
I heard on the news today that a very large percentage of people polled admitted that McCain is more qualified to be president but will vote for Obama anyway. Sometimes this forum I believe to be in this group. How come the big banksters are supporting Obama? I know that Buffett, Rockefellers and Soros support Komrade Obama. That is quite telling. Tones

Hey Tones...

ronpaulhawaii
10-22-2008, 02:58 PM
... How come the big banksters are supporting Obama? ...

For the same reasons they are supporting McCain :p Because that is how the game is rigged, they own both so it don't matter to them who wins

Keep innocent blood off your hands, Vote 3rd Party, Write in RP, or don't fill out the top of the ticket at all

www.votepact.org

NewFederalist
10-22-2008, 04:19 PM
Have any of you guys actually read my post?



No. It was too long. The average attention span on this forum is too short.

mitty
10-22-2008, 04:52 PM
Blood will be on YOUR hands. I hope you are prepared to accept the responsibility.

yep. blood on his hands indeed

heavenlyboy34
10-22-2008, 04:55 PM
I heard on the news today that a very large percentage of people polled admitted that McCain is more qualified to be president but will vote for Obama anyway. Sometimes this forum I believe to be in this group. How come the big banksters are supporting Obama? I know that Buffett, Rockefellers and Soros support Komrade Obama. That is quite telling. Tones

I'm not supporting Obama. Who among us is supporting him? :eek:

heavenlyboy34
10-22-2008, 04:56 PM
No. It was too long. The average attention span on this forum is too short.

lol...speak for yerself, matey ;)

DAFTEK
10-22-2008, 04:57 PM
Can i say something? Please hear me out for one second, why do so many here attack Republicans for thinking of voting for the guy in fear of Obama which BTW i can understand but i wont admit it :)

Yet the Ron Paul Republicans do not attack all of these Obama Lovers that have been here for so long finding a vote for Obama OK?!?

I personally think that if someone wants to vote for McPalin and try to change people from within the McCain camp that is OK, but i cant even comprehend how anyone can change the idiotic democrats sucked in be the Obama vacuum! Lets be fair and balance, we are after all Republicans and so is Ron Paul!

I'm not saying anyone should vote for McCain but i find disturbing how aggressive we have become on here me included! If the guy wants to vote for McCain in fear of Obama and is willing to try and dope McCain Republicans to think like Ron Paul Republicans then i say go ahead!

I think that Obama will 100% destroy the America as we know it and will put more and more Louis Farrakhan type of politicians in power as fast as most of you can blink! I give the US one year to be socialized by Obama and anyone who believes otherwise has been at the crack pipe with Obama himself...

With all that said i'll end with.... Tones.. :p

dannno
10-22-2008, 10:10 PM
Originally Posted by Alawn

But if you live in a battle ground state it is at least worth considering voting for the lesser of two evils.

Why? The only time I can picture myself doing that is if I actually thought I would be casting a tie-breaking vote.. like if I were on a city council with 5 other people or something. There's no way this is going to come down to a single voter swinging a state.


I rest my case.


http://www.cnnbcvideo.com/index.html?nid=yw2TgnaHy6siNkfMUs1hEjI3NDc3MTg-&referred_by=8873232-2rUtsyx

ronpaulhawaii
10-22-2008, 10:17 PM
I rest my case.


http://www.cnnbcvideo.com/index.html?nid=yw2TgnaHy6siNkfMUs1hEjI3NDc3MTg-&referred_by=8873232-2rUtsyx


LOL - I got one, too...

Roxi
10-22-2008, 10:18 PM
I read the title and I am not reading any more.

McCain sucks and so do you. That's my polite rationalization.


plus a million!

libertarian4321
10-22-2008, 11:01 PM
First of all I'd like to start off by saying that no one ever gets to vote for their ideal candidate.

If you have to stoop to the level of voting for McCain, you may as well not even vote.

You should still vote- because there may be important down ballot issues. However, you'd be better off just not voting for anyone than voting for McWar.

ronpaulhawaii
10-22-2008, 11:56 PM
If you have to stoop to the level of voting for McCain, you may as well not even vote.

You should still vote- because there may be important down ballot issues. However, you'd be better off just not voting for anyone than voting for McWar.

+2008

And you can vote against any congresscritter who gave an aye on the bailout

Archie
10-23-2008, 01:20 AM
+2008

And you can vote against any congresscritter who gave an aye on the bailout

I know this is kookier than shit but here is my take on it "DO NOT VOTE McCAIN UNLESS 95% OF RON PAUL SUPPORTERS DO SO ALL TOGATHER!!!" WHY U SAY ?

Couple Quick facts the media will put a fucken WORLD SIZED spotlight on RON PAUL and how much power his voting bloq has . McCain and all the republicans will OWE Ron and his supporters huge ,The dems will also take notice that there Crapola policys are NO friggin better then mcrapholes . Both parties will both PANDER Hardcore to Ron Paul and his powerfull "swing voters" of the USA . Another reason is Mcain is not the most healthy dude its a very high possibility he could have to step down from such a "high stress" position and you know a certain Dr. Would love to be apart of this situation especially while holding a huge amount of power with swing voters and his massive mov't of supporters , If Palin wanted to get Re-elected in 2012 she would have to ditch and dump the neo-cons outta the party and announce Ron as her "new brighter Mavrick"

Its okay if alot of you call me alot of nasty names I understand the idea of voting for mccain as opposed to the way better "third party" options is enough to make someones stomach chern Lol but let's be honest its all a fucken joke really no third party has the $ or support and ballot accsess to even matter, But Having Ron Paul and his growing mov't Shock the shit out of the most one sided election in history is something Ron Paul and his mov't could never put a price on,everyone in this mov't could have the attention they have always wanted inorder to go viral its crazy I know but this is how you do it , And when the next election comes around the mov't will be so huge it will collect all those debt and take advantage of both parties to give them a major ass whipping . Ron Paul would be shocked like everyone at first at such a suggestion but in the longterm this could be the last piece to the jigsaw puzzle RP and his mov't were missing .

Think of it this way the Republicans are like junkys with "Withdrawlvsypmtoms" they need there fix which in my example is "the election" its getting taken from them ,and they are willing to sell themselves "very cheap" Rightnow for the votes RP and his mov't are prepared to use there own "fix against" them and take full advantage of them at there weakest point , which for mcraphole and palin is now LOL !!!



Thanks for hearing me out guys its nutty I know!!! But its all nutty right now in this funny world , again I'm saying DONT do these unless 80%-90% to go a head and do it but if only 50% its not a good Idea at all because you won't be able to take advantage of the debts they would owe Ron and his supporters . Better of voting third party if only 50% agree.

Isaac Bickerstaff
10-23-2008, 09:58 AM
If you vote McCain or Obama, you are not now, nor have ever been a Ron Paul supporter. Admit it to yourself and please leave. No one will miss you and we will all be happier.

silus
10-24-2008, 10:55 AM
We need a fiscal conservative in the White House now more than ever, and between the two of them, McCain talks a better game.
.
This statement pretty much sums up your argument. You think McCain is fiscally conservative because he says he is. Did I get that right? Obama is a socialist...and McCain...oh, uh, he's against redistribution of wealth. He's going to get rid of our graduated tax rates, he's going to get rid of some/any social programs, he's going to take back his vote on the bailout...

Do you see where this is going. You have nothing but McCain's words to indicate hes' not a socialist on the same level as Obama. You wrote an entire page and you couldnt list shit. What the hell are you talking about??

Lastly, the WORST overall long term strategy is to vote Republican. If McCain wins, the majority of political opposition will continue to move to the left. We need America to take a look at more options. I'm not saying to vote Obama, but at least if he wins a third party or a reconstituted Republican party will be in the works for 2012.

acptulsa
10-24-2008, 11:00 AM
McCain and all the republicans will OWE Ron and his supporters huge ,The dems will also take notice that there Crapola policys are NO friggin better then mcrapholes . Both parties will both PANDER Hardcore to Ron Paul and his powerfull "swing voters" of the USA . Another reason is Mcain is not the most healthy dude its a very high possibility he could have to step down from such a "high stress" position and you know a certain Dr. Would love to be apart of this situation especially while holding a huge amount of power with swing voters and his massive mov't of supporters...

If there's one thing I definitely learned during the primaries and the conventions, it's that neocons are stubborn bastards. I'm not at all sure there's any hope of winning them over before we kick their asses into obscurity. At that point, why would we even bother with them?

paulpwns
10-24-2008, 11:52 AM
The lesser of two evils is still evil.

DAFTEK
10-24-2008, 12:22 PM
The lesser of two evils is still evil.

True, yet who is the lesser evil??? McCain vs. Obama... :rolleyes:

ronpaulhawaii
10-24-2008, 12:29 PM
True, yet who is the lesser evil??? McCain vs. Obama... :rolleyes:

Neither, they are both pandering tools of murdering banksters, regardless of the opinions of our membership.

The greatest evil is thinking one can vote for evil and not be a party to it. Anyone who votes for either of the republicratic demublicans will get innocent blood on their hands.

www.votepact.org (http://www.votepact.org)

DAFTEK
10-24-2008, 12:31 PM
"republicratic demublicans"

lol... I had a hard time pronouncing that... :D

paulpwns
10-24-2008, 12:57 PM
rebloodlicans and democrips

Feenix566
10-24-2008, 01:16 PM
So convince me that one of the other candidates is better. I'm voting for the lesser of six evils.

JeNNiF00F00
10-24-2008, 01:37 PM
If your mind is already made up and you feel that you are making the best decision, then why are you posting here on forums? Is it that you feel guilty of your rationalizations and that you are trying to justify them to a board that you KNOW will not agree with you?

heavenlyboy34
10-24-2008, 01:44 PM
So convince me that one of the other candidates is better. I'm voting for the lesser of six evils.

McCain-Finegold, "Defense Of Marriage" act, seeking to expand the war, etc...

McCain is second to worst, just a bit better than B.O.

DAFTEK
10-24-2008, 08:35 PM
You know this election is so phucked up I'm like,,,, dude, vote for who ever you want, we're gonna be hurting anyway you look at it..... bloods or cripts? lol, mmmmmm let me think... :D Anyone voting for McCain i hope you can change people from the inside to at least justify the vote, anyone voting for NObama, well good luck with them crackheads... :p

BTW: I just finished watching Resident Evil Extinction and couldn't help myself thing of them Obama bots every time there was a scene of the zombies.... :p Funny thing thou i couldn't find a scene of the old fart sheep yelling USA, USA, USA.... My Friends, drill now, drill here....... haha.. :)