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Menthol Patch
10-21-2008, 07:32 PM
Obama & DNC Admit All Allegations of Federal Court Lawsuit - Obama’s “Not” Qualified to be President
Obama Should Immediately Withdraw his Candidacy for President

For Immediate Release: - 10/21/08 - Complete contact details and pdfs of this press release and motions filed by plaintiff Berg today are at the end of this article

(Lafayette Hill, Pennsylvania – 10/21/08) - Philip J. Berg, Esquire, the Attorney who filed suit against Barack H. Obama challenging Senator Obama’s lack of “qualifications” to serve as President of the United States, announced today that Obama and the DNC “ADMITTED”, by way of failure to timely respond to Requests for Admissions, all of the numerous specific requests in the Federal lawsuit. Obama is “NOT QUALIFIED” to be President and therefore Obama must immediately withdraw his candidacy for President and the DNC shall substitute a qualified candidate. The case is Berg v. Obama, No. 08-cv-04083.

Berg stated that he filed Requests for Admissions on September 15, 2008 with a response by way of answer or objection had to be served within thirty [30] days. No response to the Requests for Admissions was served by way of response or objection. Thus, all of the Admissions directed to Obama and the DNC are deemed “ADMITTED.” Therefore, Obama must immediately withdraw his candidacy for President.

OBAMA - Admitted:

1. I was born in Kenya.

2. I am a Kenya “natural born” citizen.
3. My foreign birth was registered in the State of Hawaii.

4. My father, Barrack Hussein Obama, Sr. admitted Paternity of me.
5. My mother gave birth to me in Mombosa, Kenya.

6. My mother’s maiden name is Stanley Ann Dunham a/k/a Ann Dunham.
7. The COLB [Certification of Live Birth] posted on the website “Fightthesmears.com” is a forgery.

8. I was adopted by a Foreign Citizen.
9. I was adopted by Lolo Soetoro, M.A. a citizen of Indonesia.

10. I was not born in Hawaii.
11. I was not born at the Queens Medical Center in Hawaii.

12. I was not born at Kapi’olani Medical Center for Women and Children in Hawaii.
13. I was not born in a Hospital in Hawaii.

14. I am a citizen of Indonesia.
15. I never took the “Oath of Allegiance” to regain my U.S. Citizenship status.

16. I am not a “natural born” United States citizen.
17. My date of birth is August 4, 1961.

18. I traveled to Pakistan in 1981 with my Pakistan friends.
19. In 1981, I went to Indonesia on my way to Pakistan.

20. Pakistan was a no travel zone in 1981 for American Citizens.
21. In 1981, Pakistan was not allowing American Citizens to enter their country.

22. I traveled on my Indonesian Passport to Pakistan.
23. I renewed my Indonesian Passport on my way to Pakistan.

24. My senior campaign staff is aware I am not a “natural born” United States Citizen.
25. I am proud of my Kenya Heritage.

26. My relatives have requested changes to the portion of my birth certificate that identifies my first name.
27. My relatives have requested changes to the portion of my birth certificate that identifies my last name.

28. My relatives have requested changes to the portion of my birth certificate that identifies my place of birth.
29. I requested changes to the portion of my birth certificate that identifies my first name.

30. I requested changes to the portion of my birth certificate that identifies my last name.
31. I requested changes to the portion of my birth certificate that identifies my place of birth.

32. The document identified as my Indonesian School record from Fransiskus Assisi School in Jakarta, Indonesia is genuine.
33. I went to a Judge in Hawaii to have my name changed.

34. I went to a Senator and/or Congressman or other public official in Hawaii to have my name changed.
35. I had a passport issued to me from the Government of Indonesia.

36. The United States Constitution does not allow for a Person to hold the office of President of the United States unless that person is a “natural born” United States citizen.
37. I am ineligible pursuant to the United States Constitution to serve as President and/or Vice President of the United States.

38. I never renounced my citizenship as it relates to my citizenship to the country of Indonesia.
39. I never renounced my citizenship as it relates to my citizenship to the country of Kenya.

40. I am an Attorney who specializes in Constitutional Law.
41. Kenya was a part of the British Colonies at the time of my birth.

42. Kenya did not become its own Republic until 1963.
43. I am not a “Naturalized” United States Citizen.

44. I obtained $200 Million dollars in campaign funds by fraudulent means.
45. I cannot produce a “vault” (original) long version of a birth certificate showing my birth in Hawaii.

46. My “vault” (original) long version birth certificate shows my birth in Kenya.
47. The only times I was to a Hospital in Hawaii was for check-ups or medical treatments for illnesses.

48. Queens Medical Center in Honolulu, Hawaii does not have any record of my mother, Stanley Ann Dunham (Obama) giving birth to me.
49. Kapi’olani Medical Center for Women and Children in Honolulu, Hawaii does not have any record of my mother, Stanley Ann Dunham (Obama) giving birth to me.

50. I was born in the Coast Province Hospital in Mombasa, Kenya.
51. I represented on my State Bar application in Illinois that I never used any other name other than Barack Hussein Obama.

52. I went by the name Barry Soetoro in Indonesia.
53. My Indonesian school records are under the name of Barry Soetoro.

54. I took an Oath to uphold the United States Constitution when admitted to the State Bar of Illinois to practice Law.
55. I took an Oath to uphold the United States Constitution when I was Sworn into my United States Senate Office.

56. I hold dual citizenship with at least one other Country besides the United States of America.

DNC - Admitted:

1. The DNC nominated Barrack Hussein Obama as the Democratic Nominee for President.

2. The DNC has not vetted Barrack Hussein Obama.
3. The DNC did not have a background check performed on Barrack Hussein Obama.

4.The DNC did not verify Barrack Hussein Obama’s eligibility to serve as President of the United States.
5. The DNC admits Barrack Hussein Obama was born in Kenya.

6. The DNC admits Barrack Hussein Obama is not a “natural born” United States citizen.
7. The DNC admits Barrack Hussein Obama was not born in Hawaii.

8.The DNC admits they have not inquired into Barrack Hussein Obama’s citizenship status.
9. The DNC admits they have a duty to properly vette the Democratic Nominee for President.

10.The DNC admits Lolo Soetoro, M.A., an Indonesian citizen adopted Barrack Hussein Obama.
11. The DNC admits the Credentials Committee has been aware of this lawsuit since August 22, 2008 as the lawsuit was faxed to our Washington D.C. Office on August 22, 2008.

12. The DNC admits their Credentials Committee failed to verify and/or inquire into the credentials of Barack Hussein Obama to serve as the President of the United States.
13. The DNC admits their Credential Committee’s Report failed to address the issues of Barack Hussein Obama’s ineligibility to serve as President of the United States.

14.The DNC admits Howard Dean, Chair Person has and had knowledge Barack Hussein Obama was born in Kenya and ineligible to serve as the President of the United States.
15. The DNC admits Plaintiff and all Democratic citizens of the United States have been personally injured as a result of not having a qualified Democratic Presidential Nominee to cast their votes upon.

16. The DNC admits Plaintiff and all citizens of the United States have a Constitutional Right to vote for the President of the United States and to have two (2) qualified candidates of which to choose from.
17. The DNC admits Plaintiff and all citizens of the United States have a Constitutional right to have a properly vetted Democratic Presidential Nominee of which to cast their vote.

18. The DNC admits an FBI background check is not performed on the Presidential or Vice Presidential Candidates.
19. The DNC admits the United States Constitution does not allow for a Person to hold the office of President of the United States unless that person is a “natural born” United States citizen.

20. The DNC admits they collected donations on behalf of Barack Hussein Obama for his Presidential campaign.
21. The DNC admits Plaintiff and Democratic citizens donated money based on false representations that Barack Hussein Obama was qualified to serve as the President of the United States.

22. The DNC admits if Barack Hussein Obama is elected as President and allowed to serve as President of the United States in violation of our Constitution, it will create a Constitutional crisis.
23. The DNC admits Barack Hussein Obama took an Oath to uphold the United States Constitution.

24. The DNC admits allowing a person who is not a “natural born” citizen to serve as President of the United States violates Plaintiff’s rights to due process of law in violation of the United States Constitution.
25. The DNC admits allowing a person who is not a “natural born” citizen to serve as President of the United States violates Plaintiff’s rights to Equal Protection of the laws in violation of the United States Constitution.

26. The DNC admits the function of the DNC is to secure a Democratic Presidential Candidate who will protect Democratic citizen’s interests, fight for their equal opportunities and fight for justice for all Americans.
27. The DNC admits the Democratic National Committee has been promoting Barack Hussein Obama’s Presidential election knowing he was ineligible to serve as President of the United States.

Our website obamacrimes.com now has 50.7 + million hits. We are urging all to spread the word of our website – and forward to your local newspapers, radio and TV stations. Berg again stressed his position regarding the urgency of this case as, “we” the people, are heading to a “Constitutional Crisis” if this case is not resolved forthwith.

Philip J. Berg, Esquire
555 Andorra Glen Court, Suite 12
Lafayette Hill, PA 19444-2531
Cell (610) 662-3005
(610) 825-3134
(800) 993-PHIL [7445]
Fax (610) 834-7659
philjberg@obamacrimes.comThis e-mail address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it

tomveil
10-21-2008, 07:37 PM
You wasted my time. I want my money back.

DAFTEK
10-21-2008, 07:39 PM
You wasted my time. I want my money back.

lol :D:cool:

RSLudlum
10-21-2008, 07:43 PM
Here in Charleston, the mid day radio host, Rocky D, had Phil Berg on I think Friday discussing the case. Rocky tried calling him today but couldn't get ahold of him bc. Berg was in court... This is very, very interesting indeed.

RevolutionSD
10-21-2008, 07:47 PM
Obama & DNC Admit All Allegations of Federal Court Lawsuit - Obama’s “Not” Qualified to be President
Obama Should Immediately Withdraw his Candidacy for President

For Immediate Release: - 10/21/08 - Complete contact details and pdfs of this press release and motions filed by plaintiff Berg today are at the end of this article

(Lafayette Hill, Pennsylvania – 10/21/08) - Philip J. Berg, Esquire, the Attorney who filed suit against Barack H. Obama challenging Senator Obama’s lack of “qualifications” to serve as President of the United States, announced today that Obama and the DNC “ADMITTED”, by way of failure to timely respond to Requests for Admissions, all of the numerous specific requests in the Federal lawsuit. Obama is “NOT QUALIFIED” to be President and therefore Obama must immediately withdraw his candidacy for President and the DNC shall substitute a qualified candidate. The case is Berg v. Obama, No. 08-cv-04083.

Berg stated that he filed Requests for Admissions on September 15, 2008 with a response by way of answer or objection had to be served within thirty [30] days. No response to the Requests for Admissions was served by way of response or objection. Thus, all of the Admissions directed to Obama and the DNC are deemed “ADMITTED.” Therefore, Obama must immediately withdraw his candidacy for President.

OBAMA - Admitted:

1. I was born in Kenya.

2. I am a Kenya “natural born” citizen.
3. My foreign birth was registered in the State of Hawaii.

4. My father, Barrack Hussein Obama, Sr. admitted Paternity of me.
5. My mother gave birth to me in Mombosa, Kenya.

6. My mother’s maiden name is Stanley Ann Dunham a/k/a Ann Dunham.
7. The COLB [Certification of Live Birth] posted on the website “Fightthesmears.com” is a forgery.

8. I was adopted by a Foreign Citizen.
9. I was adopted by Lolo Soetoro, M.A. a citizen of Indonesia.

10. I was not born in Hawaii.
11. I was not born at the Queens Medical Center in Hawaii.

12. I was not born at Kapi’olani Medical Center for Women and Children in Hawaii.
13. I was not born in a Hospital in Hawaii.

14. I am a citizen of Indonesia.
15. I never took the “Oath of Allegiance” to regain my U.S. Citizenship status.

16. I am not a “natural born” United States citizen.
17. My date of birth is August 4, 1961.

18. I traveled to Pakistan in 1981 with my Pakistan friends.
19. In 1981, I went to Indonesia on my way to Pakistan.

20. Pakistan was a no travel zone in 1981 for American Citizens.
21. In 1981, Pakistan was not allowing American Citizens to enter their country.

22. I traveled on my Indonesian Passport to Pakistan.
23. I renewed my Indonesian Passport on my way to Pakistan.

24. My senior campaign staff is aware I am not a “natural born” United States Citizen.
25. I am proud of my Kenya Heritage.

26. My relatives have requested changes to the portion of my birth certificate that identifies my first name.
27. My relatives have requested changes to the portion of my birth certificate that identifies my last name.

28. My relatives have requested changes to the portion of my birth certificate that identifies my place of birth.
29. I requested changes to the portion of my birth certificate that identifies my first name.

30. I requested changes to the portion of my birth certificate that identifies my last name.
31. I requested changes to the portion of my birth certificate that identifies my place of birth.

32. The document identified as my Indonesian School record from Fransiskus Assisi School in Jakarta, Indonesia is genuine.
33. I went to a Judge in Hawaii to have my name changed.

34. I went to a Senator and/or Congressman or other public official in Hawaii to have my name changed.
35. I had a passport issued to me from the Government of Indonesia.

36. The United States Constitution does not allow for a Person to hold the office of President of the United States unless that person is a “natural born” United States citizen.
37. I am ineligible pursuant to the United States Constitution to serve as President and/or Vice President of the United States.

38. I never renounced my citizenship as it relates to my citizenship to the country of Indonesia.
39. I never renounced my citizenship as it relates to my citizenship to the country of Kenya.

40. I am an Attorney who specializes in Constitutional Law.
41. Kenya was a part of the British Colonies at the time of my birth.

42. Kenya did not become its own Republic until 1963.
43. I am not a “Naturalized” United States Citizen.

44. I obtained $200 Million dollars in campaign funds by fraudulent means.
45. I cannot produce a “vault” (original) long version of a birth certificate showing my birth in Hawaii.

46. My “vault” (original) long version birth certificate shows my birth in Kenya.
47. The only times I was to a Hospital in Hawaii was for check-ups or medical treatments for illnesses.

48. Queens Medical Center in Honolulu, Hawaii does not have any record of my mother, Stanley Ann Dunham (Obama) giving birth to me.
49. Kapi’olani Medical Center for Women and Children in Honolulu, Hawaii does not have any record of my mother, Stanley Ann Dunham (Obama) giving birth to me.

50. I was born in the Coast Province Hospital in Mombasa, Kenya.
51. I represented on my State Bar application in Illinois that I never used any other name other than Barack Hussein Obama.

52. I went by the name Barry Soetoro in Indonesia.
53. My Indonesian school records are under the name of Barry Soetoro.

54. I took an Oath to uphold the United States Constitution when admitted to the State Bar of Illinois to practice Law.
55. I took an Oath to uphold the United States Constitution when I was Sworn into my United States Senate Office.

56. I hold dual citizenship with at least one other Country besides the United States of America.

DNC - Admitted:

1. The DNC nominated Barrack Hussein Obama as the Democratic Nominee for President.

2. The DNC has not vetted Barrack Hussein Obama.
3. The DNC did not have a background check performed on Barrack Hussein Obama.

4.The DNC did not verify Barrack Hussein Obama’s eligibility to serve as President of the United States.
5. The DNC admits Barrack Hussein Obama was born in Kenya.

6. The DNC admits Barrack Hussein Obama is not a “natural born” United States citizen.
7. The DNC admits Barrack Hussein Obama was not born in Hawaii.

8.The DNC admits they have not inquired into Barrack Hussein Obama’s citizenship status.
9. The DNC admits they have a duty to properly vette the Democratic Nominee for President.

10.The DNC admits Lolo Soetoro, M.A., an Indonesian citizen adopted Barrack Hussein Obama.
11. The DNC admits the Credentials Committee has been aware of this lawsuit since August 22, 2008 as the lawsuit was faxed to our Washington D.C. Office on August 22, 2008.

12. The DNC admits their Credentials Committee failed to verify and/or inquire into the credentials of Barack Hussein Obama to serve as the President of the United States.
13. The DNC admits their Credential Committee’s Report failed to address the issues of Barack Hussein Obama’s ineligibility to serve as President of the United States.

14.The DNC admits Howard Dean, Chair Person has and had knowledge Barack Hussein Obama was born in Kenya and ineligible to serve as the President of the United States.
15. The DNC admits Plaintiff and all Democratic citizens of the United States have been personally injured as a result of not having a qualified Democratic Presidential Nominee to cast their votes upon.

16. The DNC admits Plaintiff and all citizens of the United States have a Constitutional Right to vote for the President of the United States and to have two (2) qualified candidates of which to choose from.
17. The DNC admits Plaintiff and all citizens of the United States have a Constitutional right to have a properly vetted Democratic Presidential Nominee of which to cast their vote.

18. The DNC admits an FBI background check is not performed on the Presidential or Vice Presidential Candidates.
19. The DNC admits the United States Constitution does not allow for a Person to hold the office of President of the United States unless that person is a “natural born” United States citizen.

20. The DNC admits they collected donations on behalf of Barack Hussein Obama for his Presidential campaign.
21. The DNC admits Plaintiff and Democratic citizens donated money based on false representations that Barack Hussein Obama was qualified to serve as the President of the United States.

22. The DNC admits if Barack Hussein Obama is elected as President and allowed to serve as President of the United States in violation of our Constitution, it will create a Constitutional crisis.
23. The DNC admits Barack Hussein Obama took an Oath to uphold the United States Constitution.

24. The DNC admits allowing a person who is not a “natural born” citizen to serve as President of the United States violates Plaintiff’s rights to due process of law in violation of the United States Constitution.
25. The DNC admits allowing a person who is not a “natural born” citizen to serve as President of the United States violates Plaintiff’s rights to Equal Protection of the laws in violation of the United States Constitution.

26. The DNC admits the function of the DNC is to secure a Democratic Presidential Candidate who will protect Democratic citizen’s interests, fight for their equal opportunities and fight for justice for all Americans.
27. The DNC admits the Democratic National Committee has been promoting Barack Hussein Obama’s Presidential election knowing he was ineligible to serve as President of the United States.

Our website obamacrimes.com now has 50.7 + million hits. We are urging all to spread the word of our website – and forward to your local newspapers, radio and TV stations. Berg again stressed his position regarding the urgency of this case as, “we” the people, are heading to a “Constitutional Crisis” if this case is not resolved forthwith.

Philip J. Berg, Esquire
555 Andorra Glen Court, Suite 12
Lafayette Hill, PA 19444-2531
Cell (610) 662-3005
(610) 825-3134
(800) 993-PHIL [7445]
Fax (610) 834-7659
philjberg@obamacrimes.comThis e-mail address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it

Total waste of time.
Even if this were to go anywhere, we'd then end up with President McCain. Forget about trying to prove all this shit, just stop participating in the system. Agorism and a gold currency are what will save us, not trying to play by their rules.

nodope0695
10-21-2008, 07:51 PM
Yes, it is. And in true MSM style, it wil be ignored.

tomveil
10-21-2008, 07:52 PM
Total waste of time.
Even if this were to go anywhere, we'd then end up with President McCain. Forget about trying to prove all this shit, just stop participating in the system. Agorism and a gold currency are what will save us, not trying to play by their rules.

This.

And lol at the whole tone.

"They didn't respond to my crazy ramblings! That must mean it's all true!"

kathy88
10-21-2008, 08:46 PM
What a crock.

Alawn
10-21-2008, 08:50 PM
This.

And lol at the whole tone.

"They didn't respond to my crazy ramblings! That must mean it's all true!"

This is how the legal system works. In any lawsuit if you fail to respond all accusations are assumed true and you can never ague they are false again in court even if you later come up with evidence proving you are right. He had a duty to at least file a response with the court saying the accusations are untrue if he didn't want them to assume they are true. If he isn't removed from the ballot then they are blatantly disregarding the law. According to the law it is assumed that he is now ineligible to be president.

Micah Dardar
10-21-2008, 09:01 PM
The Adventures Of Panama McCain and Kenya Obama!

RickyJ
10-21-2008, 09:23 PM
This is how the legal system works. In any lawsuit if you fail to respond all accusations are assumed true and you can never ague they are false again in court even if you later come up with evidence proving you are right. He had a duty to at least file a response with the court saying the accusations are untrue if he didn't want them to assume they are true. If he isn't removed from the ballot then they are blatantly disregarding the law. According to the law it is assumed that he is now ineligible to be president.

Really? Are you a lawyer? If this is true then I need to make plans to get the heck out of the hood before this news becomes mainstream. :eek:

ihsv
10-21-2008, 09:31 PM
Even if this is the case, good luck finding someone to enforce it.

Danke
10-21-2008, 09:51 PM
Really? Are you a lawyer? If this is true then I need to make plans to get the heck out of the hood before this news becomes mainstream. :eek:

Well, from my research. There is some substance to this claim.

I will tackle it from a field that I am intimately familiar. The Income tax.

Someone files an informational document on you (like a W-2 {actually from a W-3} or a 1099) and you do not respond that such information is erroneous.

Guess what, until rebutted, such information stands in a court of law.

An example, I present you with a bill (let's say for the lawn I mowed). But you know I never cut your grass, so you continue to ignore my bill, and even to the court summons, as you know I never cut your grass. To you, it is entirely nonsense, and not worth your time to respond to. Your grass is long and this "lawn mower" has no proof he ever cut my grass, no written contract nor evidence he did such work.

But, you don't take the time to properly respond and rebut my assertions.

Guess what, you lose and the court renders a default judgment.

Can you still fight it? More than likely, but you have made it more difficult on yourself.

Now back to Obama's campaign.

Would such a well funded, and back by lawyers no less, decide on this course of action if they had nothing to hide....hmmm. Are they deliberately stalling until after the elections?

qh4dotcom
10-21-2008, 10:02 PM
I guess the same thing that happened to Bob Barr will happen to this guy. Barr was legally correct that Obama and McCain shouldn't have been on the ballot in Texas because they missed the filing deadline. But the laws don't apply to Obama nor McCain so Barr lost. And this guy will lose too.

Alawn
10-21-2008, 10:10 PM
Really? Are you a lawyer? If this is true then I need to make plans to get the heck out of the hood before this news becomes mainstream. :eek:

Federal Rules of Civil Procedure

Rule 8(b):

(1) In General.

In responding to a pleading, a party must:

(A) state in short and plain terms its defenses to each claim asserted against it; and

(B) admit or deny the allegations asserted against it by an opposing party.


(6) Effect of Failing to Deny.

An allegation — other than one relating to the amount of damages — is admitted if a responsive pleading is required and the allegation is not denied. If a responsive pleading is not required, an allegation is considered denied or avoided.


Rule 36(a):

(1) Scope.

A party may serve on any other party a written request to admit, for purposes of the pending action only, the truth of any matters within the scope of Rule 26(b)(1) relating to:

(A) facts, the application of law to fact, or opinions about either; and

(B) the genuineness of any described documents.

(3) Time to Respond; Effect of Not Responding.

A matter is admitted unless, within 30 days after being served, the party to whom the request is directed serves on the requesting party a written answer or objection addressed to the matter and signed by the party or its attorney. A shorter or longer time for responding may be stipulated to under Rule 29 or be ordered by the court.

QueenB4Liberty
10-21-2008, 10:55 PM
wait so are you saying Barack admitted to this, or you want him to admit to?

Alawn
10-21-2008, 11:08 PM
wait so are you saying Barack admitted to this, or you want him to admit to?

By him not denying it to the court in time legally he has admitted to every allegation. He was required to respond within 30 days of being served by saying which parts were true and which were false. This is basic civil procedure and he obviously knows this.

nodope0695
10-21-2008, 11:14 PM
Federal Rules of Civil Procedure

Rule 8(b):

(1) In General.

In responding to a pleading, a party must:

(A) state in short and plain terms its defenses to each claim asserted against it; and

(B) admit or deny the allegations asserted against it by an opposing party.


(6) Effect of Failing to Deny.

An allegation — other than one relating to the amount of damages — is admitted if a responsive pleading is required and the allegation is not denied. If a responsive pleading is not required, an allegation is considered denied or avoided.


Rule 36(a):

(1) Scope.

A party may serve on any other party a written request to admit, for purposes of the pending action only, the truth of any matters within the scope of Rule 26(b)(1) relating to:

(A) facts, the application of law to fact, or opinions about either; and

(B) the genuineness of any described documents.

(3) Time to Respond; Effect of Not Responding.

A matter is admitted unless, within 30 days after being served, the party to whom the request is directed serves on the requesting party a written answer or objection addressed to the matter and signed by the party or its attorney. A shorter or longer time for responding may be stipulated to under Rule 29 or be ordered by the court.

Excellent digging! Its just too bad the MSM will ignore it.

anaconda
10-21-2008, 11:39 PM
I just read a few different articles. There are apparently witnesses that he was born in Kenya. Then moved to Indonesia, where he pledged citizenship as a requirement for attending school. The U.S. considers one to have relinquished their citizenship by pledging allegiance to Indonesia. He returned to Hawaii but apparently there is no documentation that he ever re-applied for U.S. citizenship.

There is also debate about proper "naturalization" if he was, in fact, born in Hawaii. But this looks less compelling to me.

It is a bit curious that he won't produce any original documents.

fr33domfightr
10-21-2008, 11:55 PM
If this is true, wouldn't that be a pickle?!?! Technically, he couldn't be president. If he is allowed to be president, then so could Arnold Schwarzenegger, right? If he is denied, then I guess we'll be looking at President John McCain, doh!! This is funny because it would turn this election on its head!! The Dems would quickly try and substitute Hillary Clinton, but maynot be able to since her name wouldn't be on the ballots. And the third parties would be clawing all over themselves to be the other front runner. Kewl!!


FF

Alawn
10-22-2008, 12:04 AM
There are apparently witnesses that he was born in Kenya.

His own grandmother is one of those witnesses and she brags about it to everyone.

vegaspilot03
10-22-2008, 12:09 AM
This is how the legal system works. In any lawsuit if you fail to respond all accusations are assumed true and you can never ague they are false again in court even if you later come up with evidence proving you are right. He had a duty to at least file a response with the court saying the accusations are untrue if he didn't want them to assume they are true. If he isn't removed from the ballot then they are blatantly disregarding the law. According to the law it is assumed that he is now ineligible to be president.

i agree, he HAS TO REPLY if there is a lawsuit, or else all claims are assumed to be true. especially in a federal court. looks like he was born in kenya eh... no wonder all his brothers live there.

anaconda
10-22-2008, 12:21 AM
so it will be interesting to see if the courts follow the law or cave to the orders of the elite banking cartels.

anaconda
10-22-2008, 12:26 AM
Is this the October surprise?

What if Obama's Hawaiian birth certificate cannot be verified or is a counterfeit? Wouldn't that be a scandal of epic proportion and ruin his political career forever?

nodope0695
10-22-2008, 12:30 AM
Is this the October surprise?

What if Obama's Hawaiian birth certificate cannot be verified or is a counterfeit? Wouldn't that be a scandal of epic proportion and ruin his political career forever?

Yeah, sure would be a shame, huh?:rolleyes:

nodope0695
10-22-2008, 12:32 AM
Is this the October surprise?

What if Obama's Hawaiian birth certificate cannot be verified or is a counterfeit? Wouldn't that be a scandal of epic proportion and ruin his political career forever?

I wonder why the McCain camp isn't all over this thing....great ammo. I'd say in comparison, McCain's citizenship is beyond argument. He was born in Panama on a military base to U.S. citizens...(I'm not defending him, just stating factual info, so don't flame).

Obama however....not African-American, African. I think he needs to answer for some of these alligations, or risk a scandel.

anaconda
10-22-2008, 12:35 AM
Does anyone know how this works? Like, when and where in the process does your natural born citizenship get verified? I would think that it would have something to do with the ballot access in the several states. You know, like, Hi my name is John Doe and I want to be on the ballot for president in State X. OK, show me your list of signatures, a check for the fee, and your birth certificate, etc.

jdmyprez_deo_vindice
10-22-2008, 01:29 AM
Outside of digging this thing to death, does anyone have any suggestions for how to get this out to the average American? Is there a way we can force the media to acknowledge this?

nodope0695
10-22-2008, 02:09 AM
Outside of digging this thing to death, does anyone have any suggestions for how to get this out to the average American? Is there a way we can force the media to acknowledge this?

Start writing letters to your local paper, emailing CNN, Faux, etc...go yell it from the bell tower?:D

constituent
10-22-2008, 06:25 AM
If he is allowed to be president, then so could Arnold Schwarzenegger, right?

You mean that isn't already the plan?

IDK if it's an issue of "allowed to be president" so much as if the constitution can be amended to make it so.

I believe changing that bit of the constitution was bandied about not infrequently amongst the republicraps back in the day
w/ a wink in and a nod in AHHHHHnold's general direction.

constituent
10-22-2008, 06:27 AM
Outside of digging this thing to death, does anyone have any suggestions for how to get this out to the average American? Is there a way we can force the media to acknowledge this?

No, they've already been forced in the opposite direction, too late.

If you mention it to anyone, they already look at you like a clown for believing "that e-mail."

then enter other frames of reference, "racist, homeland, war on terror, right-wing, kook, conspiracy theorist, militia, OKC, 9/11, truther" and on and on.

By the time all that runs its course through their mind, you're the one "w/ the problem."

acptulsa
10-22-2008, 06:40 AM
He was born in Panama on a military base to U.S. citizens.

Wrong. His birth certificate is marked R.P. and names the hospital (which is known to have been located in the Republic of Panama). The Canal Zone could be misconstrued as a military base. The Republic of Panama cannot.

I personally don't think it Constitutional to vote for either one. Makes it even easier for me to avoid playing the "lesser of evils" game.

orafi
10-22-2008, 07:41 AM
The Adventures Of Panama McCain and Kenya Obama!

indiana jones says shut that shit up son!