Palin still doesn't grasp role of VP

[FrankRep]

Palin still doesn't grasp role of VP

Raw Story
October 21, 2008



In an interview with a local Colorado TV station, Palin said the vice president is "in charge of the United States Senate" and "can really get in there with the senators and make a lot of good policy changes."

Palin's statement seems to betray a fundamental misunderstanding about the nature of the vice president's job. As regards the Senate, the vice president's official role is to serve as presiding officer, although those duties are traditionally handled by the president pro temproe. Only in the event of a tie can the vice president cast a vote, and such a scenario seems unlikely as Democrats are expected to pick up anywhere between three and nine seats in November.

If Palin didn't want to break out the copy of the Constitution that is presumably gathering dust on a bookshelf somewhere in the governor's mansion, she could have simply looked to pop-culture for some easy to follow guidance. The Emmy-winning HBO mini-series John Adams featured a memorable scene of the country's first vice president being reminded of the lack of authority his position entailed.
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[nodope0695]

It will never cease to amaze me at how bad a choice she was for McCain's running mate....He alone was bad enough, but to choose a person like Palin is beyond stupid....its like he is trying to lose (which is no skin off my nose).

Oh yeah, I don't like Obama either.:D

[yongrel]

I used to think she was merely deliberately folksy like Bush 43, but now I'm becoming more and more convinced that she's just foolish.

[Truth Warrior]

What's to grasp? It's just another over paid "brain dead" government job.<IMHO>

[Grimnir Wotansvolk]

You mean to tell me that she thinks she's entitled to more power than the constitution allows for?

ZONG REVELATION

Breaking news: McCain still doesn't grasp role of President

Update: neither does Obama!

And so forth.

[heavenlyboy34]

The more I talk to people, the more I get the sense that her ignorance is a widespread phenomenon. :eek: It's not looking good out there. :(


Palin still doesn't grasp role of VP

Raw Story
October 21, 2008
In an interview with a local Colorado TV station, Palin said the vice president is "in charge of the United States Senate" and "can really get in there with the senators and make a lot of good policy changes."

Palin's statement seems to betray a fundamental misunderstanding about the nature of the vice president's job. As regards the Senate, the vice president's official role is to serve as presiding officer, although those duties are traditionally handled by the president pro temproe. Only in the event of a tie can the vice president cast a vote, and such a scenario seems unlikely as Democrats are expected to pick up anywhere between three and nine seats in November.

If Palin didn't want to break out the copy of the Constitution that is presumably gathering dust on a bookshelf somewhere in the governor's mansion, she could have simply looked to pop-culture for some easy to follow guidance. The Emmy-winning HBO mini-series John Adams featured a memorable scene of the country's first vice president being reminded of the lack of authority his position entailed.
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Full Story:
http://rawstory.com/news/2008/John_Adams_laments_VP_role_in_1021.html



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[Mitt Romneys sideburns]

We have a vice president?

[Andrew-Austin]

The VeeP's job is to accept a Cheneybot 2.0 microchip into ze brain.

Biden already has his chip inserted, Palin better step up to the plate.

[angelatc]

She's actually right. Up until Spiro Agnew, the Vice President's office was in the Senate, not the Executive branch. It was a rare occasion for the President Pro Tempe to actually conduct the business, as the Vice President was running the meetings.

The President of the Senate only votes if there's a tie, but the Vice President can certainly hold court and peddle influence there if the President chooses.

This is the second time Palin has made this comment, which makes me think that McCain has a plan to return her to the Senate.

[Dieseler]

You guys need to get with the program. This is 2008. The role of Vice President has been vastly enhanced.
Watch this if you don't believe me.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2655260104684404687

[Aratus]

sarah palin actually is historically agreeing with the way john adams viewed the vice-presidency.
he even would give two debating senators pointers from his august chair, happily and merrily!

[cheapseats]

She's actually right. Up until Spiro Agnew, the Vice President's office was in the Senate, not the Executive branch. It was a rare occasion for the Secretary Pro Tempe to actually conduct the business, as the Vice President was running the meetings.

The [Vice] President of the Senate only votes if there's a tie, but the Vice President can certainly hold court and peddle influence there if the President chooses.


This is my understanding.



This is the second time Palin has made this comment, which makes me think that McCain has a plan to return her to the Senate.

Cheney, obviously, had bigger fish to fry but not taking him into account...owing to his Great Specialness AND his Invisibility Cloak...why wouldn't ALL presidents avail themselves of the standing opportunity to hold more sway with the Senate? Too many funerals of fallen soldiers to attend?

Cheney's bid awhile back to establish the vice presidency as a sort of ultimate Free Agent is brought to mind.


http://select.nytimes.com/2007/06/24/opinion/24dowd.html?_r=1&oref=slogin

A Vice President Without Borders, Bordering on Lunacy

By MAUREEN DOWD
Published: June 24, 2007

It’s hard to imagine how Dick Cheney could get more dastardly, unless J. K. Rowling has him knock off Harry Potter next month.

Harry’s cloak of invisibility would be no match for Vice’s culture of invisibility.

I’ve always thought Cheney was way out there — the most Voldemort-like official I’ve run across. But even in my harshest musings about the vice president, I never imagined that he would declare himself not only above the law, not only above the president, but actually his own dark planet — a separate entity from the White House.

I guess a man who can wait 14 hours before he lets it dribble out that he shot his friend in the face has no limit on what he thinks he can keep secret. Still, it’s quite a leap to go from hiding in a secure, undisclosed location in the capital to hiding in a secure, undisclosed location in the Constitution.

Dr. No used to just blow off the public and Congress as he cooked up his shady schemes. Now, in a breathtaking act of arrant arrogance, he’s blowing off his own administration.

Henry Waxman, the California congressman who looks like an accountant and bites like a pit bull, is making the most of Congress’s ability, at long last, to scrutinize Cheney’s chicanery.

On Thursday, Mr. Waxman revealed that after four years of refusing to cooperate with the government unit that oversees classified documents, the vice president tried to shut down the unit rather than comply with the law ensuring that sensitive data is protected. The National Archives appealed to the Justice Department, but who knows how much justice there is at Justice, now that the White House has so blatantly politicized it?

Cheney’s office denied doing anything wrong, but Cheney’s office is also denying it’s an office. Tricky Dick Deuce declared himself exempt from a rule that applies to everyone else in the executive branch, instructing the National Archives that the Office of the Vice President is not an “entity within the executive branch” and therefore is not subject to presidential executive orders.

“It’s absurd, reflecting his view from the first day he got into office that laws don’t apply to him,” Representative Waxman told me. “The irony is, he’s taking the position that he’s not part of the executive branch.”

Ah, if only that were true. Then maybe W. would be able to close Gitmo, which Vice has insisted he not do. And Condi wouldn’t have to worry every night that she’ll wake up to find crazy Dick bombing Iran, whispering to W. that they have to do it before that weak sister Hillary takes over.

“Your decision to exempt your office from the president’s order is problematic because it could place national security secrets at risk,” Mr. Waxman, the chairman of the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee, wrote to Cheney.

Of course, it’s doubtful, now that Vice has done so much to put our national security at risk, that he’ll suddenly listen to reason.

Cheney and Cheney’s Cheney, David Addington, his equally belligerent, ideological and shadowy lawyer and chief of staff, have no shame. After claiming executive privilege to withhold the energy task force names and protect Scooter Libby, they now act outraged that Vice should be seen as part of the executive branch.

Cheney, they argue, is the president of the Senate, so he’s also part of the legislative branch. Vice is casting himself as a constitutional chimera, an extralegal creature with the body of a snake and the head of a sea monster. It’s a new level of gall, to avoid accountability by saying you’re part of a legislative branch that you’ve spent six years trying to weaken.

But gall is the specialty of Addington, who has done his best to give his boss the powers of a king. He was the main author of the White House memo justifying torture of terrorism suspects, and he helped stonewall the 9/11 commission. He led the fights supporting holding terrorism suspects without access to courts and against giving Congress and environmentalists access to information about the energy industry big shots who secretly advised Cheney on energy policy.

Dana Perino, a White House press spokeswoman, had to go out on Friday and defend Cheney’s bizarre contention that he is his own government. “This is an interesting constitutional question that legal scholars can debate,” she said.

I love that Cheney was able to bully Colin Powell, Pentagon generals and George Tenet when drumming up his fake case for war, but when he tried to push around the little guys, the National Archive data collectors — I’m visualizing dedicated “We the People” wonky types with glasses and pocket protectors — they pushed back.

Archivists are the new macho heroes of Washington.



ALSO...Sarah Palin is unusually fond of that word...ALASKA and OIL are dots the connection of which should be forefront in the Public's mind.

[libertarian4321]

Palin is so uninformed, its frightening.

McCain tried to convince us today that she's the most "well qualified VP" in recent years (overlooking the vastly more qualified George HW Bush, Dick Cheney, Al Gore, and Jack Kemp).

McCain and Palin are relying on the utter stupidity and ignorance of the average American voter- a tactic that may prove successful.

[Mini-Me]

You mean to tell me that she thinks she's entitled to more power than the constitution allows for?

ZONG REVELATION

Breaking news: McCain still doesn't grasp role of President

Update: neither does Obama!

And so forth.

Good point. Putting this into perspective, the Presidential candidates have far more idiotic misconceptions about the authority of their desired office than even Palin does.

[HOLLYWOOD]

Sarah Palin - A perfect example of 'No Child Left Behind' and 'Department of Education' are a FAILURE.

So the GOP has nominated: McTeenSouthCarolina & a Parrot with a $150,000 wardrobe.

the DNC nominated a Silver Tongued Devil who speaks pure BS and BSer that Talks faster than he thinks.

These Presidential and Federal Elections have become a JOKE!

I guess it all reflects on the Aptitutde and Ignorance of the American Voters/People.

[nodope0695]

Sarah Palin - A perfect example of 'No Child Left Behind' and 'Department of Education' are a FAILURE.

So the GOP has nominated: McTeenSouthCarolina & a Parrot with a $150,000 wardrobe.

the DNC nominated a Silver Tongued Devil who speaks pure BS and BSer that Talks faster than he thinks.

These Presidential and Federal Elections have come a JOKE!

I guess it all reflects on the Aptitutde and Ignorance of the American Voters/People.

+1

[nodope0695]

McCain and Palin are relying on the utter stupidity and ignorance of the average American voter- a tactic that may prove successful.

Hey, it worked for Dubya, TWICE! Why not McCain/Palin?

[american.swan]

Sarah Palin - A perfect example of 'No Child Left Behind' and 'Department of Education' are a FAILURE.

So the GOP has nominated: McTeenSouthCarolina & a Parrot with a $150,000 wardrobe.

the DNC nominated a Silver Tongued Devil who speaks pure BS and BSer that Talks faster than he thinks.

These Presidential and Federal Elections have come a JOKE!

I guess it all reflects on the Aptitutde and Ignorance of the American Voters/People.

The honestly of this makes me laugh and cry.

[nodope0695]

Y'know what, I think Palin represents a great majority of Americans......

http://www.beldar.org/photos/uncategorized/2008/06/08/palin_campaigning.jpg

http://www.nineoaksfarm.net/images/links_sheep.jpg
The Sheeple.

[angelatc]

Cheney, obviously, had bigger fish to fry but not taking him into account...owing to his Great Specialness AND his Invisibility Cloak...why wouldn't ALL presidents avail themselves of the standing opportunity to hold more sway with the Senate? Too many funerals of fallen soldiers to attend?


I don't know that. I do think it would be funny to watch the Dems get their panties all in bunches if a Republican VP decided to reassume control of the meetings though.

Vice PResidents serve at the pleasure of the President. Bush apparently felt like he would best be served by having Cheney running the foreign policy machine.

What the hell did Gore do for eight years?

[angelatc]

sarah palin actually is historically agreeing with the way john adams viewed the vice-presidency.
he even would give two debating senators pointers from his august chair, happily and merrily!

Yes, but god forbid the press actually point out that there's quite a bit of precedent for wat she said.

When I see how much the socialists hate her and everything she stands for, it almost made me like her again.

Then she went shopping with other people's money. When she spends her own money she opts for Target and Penney's. When she got a RNC checkbook, she went to Macy's and Barney's. Sigh.

[escapinggreatly]

What really scares me is that eight years of Cheney has convinced many that he's the way the Vice Presidency is supposed to work.
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