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Jdayh
10-21-2008, 08:57 AM
I ask, sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people, except for a few public officials."
— George Mason, in Debates in Virginia Convention on
Ratification of the Constitution, Elliot, Vol. 3, June 16, 1788


"The militia, when properly formed, are in fact the people themselves, ... all men capable of bearing arms;..."
— "Letters from the Federal Farmer to the Republic", 1788 (either Richard Henry Lee or Melancton Smith).

"Who are the militia? Are they not ourselves? Is it feared, then, that we shall turn our arms each man against his own bosom? Congress shall have no power to disarm the militia. Their swords, and every other terrible implement of the soldier, are the birth-right of an American ... The unlimited power of the sword is not in the hands of either the federal or state governments, but where I trust in God it will ever remain, in the hands of the People."
— Tench Coxe, 1788.

"How we burned in the prison camps later thinking: What would things have been like if every police operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive? If during periods of mass arrests people had not simply sat there in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever was at hand? The organs would very quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and, notwithstanding all of Stalin's thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt."
— Alexander Solzhenitsyn, Nobel Prize winner and author of The Gulag Archipelago, who spent 11 years in Soviet concentration camps.

If we are ready to violate the Constitution, will the people submit to our unauthorized acts? Sir, they ought not to submit; they would deserve the chains that our measures are forging for them, if they did not resist.
— Edward Livingston
Political power grows out of the barrel of a gun.
— Mao Zedong, Nov. 6, 1938, Selected Works, Vol. 2



The meaning of "militia"

The word "militia" is a Latin abstract noun, meaning "military service", not an "armed group" (with the connotation of plurality), and that is the way the Latin-literate Founders used it. The collective term, meaning "army" or "soldiery" was "volgus militum". Since for the Romans "military service" included law enforcement and disaster response, it might be more meaningfully translated today as "defense service", associated with a "defense duty", which attaches to individuals as much as to groups of them, organized or otherwise.

When we are alone, we are all militia units of one. When together with others in a situation requiring a defensive response, we have the duty to act together in concert to meet the challenge. Those two component duties, of individuals to defend the community, and to act together in concert with others present, when combined with a third component duty to prepare to do one's duty and not just wait until the danger is clear and present, comprises the militia duty.
Real courage is found, not in the willingness to risk death, but in the willingness to stand, alone if necessary, against the ignorant and disapproving herd. — Jon Roland, 1976
Militia Duty: Defend. Co-operate. Prepare.

To understand the above motto is to understand the foundation of society and legitimate government and law.

please go here to read up and get any/all of your questions answered...
http://www.constitution.org/mil/cs_milit.htm

THEN BEGIN...START, OR FORM YOUR OWN civil defense group aka militia.....

"A well regulated militia is necessary to the security of a free state."

Constitution of the United States

polomertz
10-21-2008, 09:14 AM
The Illinois Constitution states:


ARTICLE XII
MILITIA

SECTION 1. MEMBERSHIP
The State militia consists of all able-bodied persons
residing in the State except those exempted by law.

SECTION 2. SUBORDINATION OF MILITARY POWER
The military shall be in strict subordination to the
civil power.

http://www.ilga.gov/commission/lrb/conent.htm


I thought those sections were interesting.
Too bad my state has no intention of following its own law.

Athan
10-21-2008, 10:52 AM
I think it is wiser to shy away from civil defense groups as you posed. Frankly the government being so inept in catching osama will try to make themselves feel better by going after so called militia groups made up of the Dale Gribbles of America.

I say just start a paint ball league with friends to have fun and blow off steam with exercise. Even at my late twenties I myself need the damned exercise.

I genuinely believe that we need to follow Ron Paul's advice to the T. He instructed us during the Houston Convention to go through the political process and take our jabs. No matter who wins this election year, Ron Paul is my president and we frankly need to listen to his more subtle advice. He would not feel happy about his believers getting themselves in trouble when they are needed in the political arena.

I feel really confident that in a few years, whatever we are saying is going to be to damned popular anyway. Allowing democrats and independents to focus on things such as the Federal Reserve is going to have people talking anyway. Further with issues like these, we don't HAVE to wait for elections to come to tell the masses and explain to them how the Fed is destroying our country among other things.

Be patient, be ACTIVE politically, and trust in Dr. Paul.

Jdayh
10-22-2008, 02:24 PM
The Illinois Constitution states:



http://www.ilga.gov/commission/lrb/conent.htm


I thought those sections were interesting.
Too bad my state has no intention of following its own law.


wow...I wonder how many state constitutions say some thing similar??