I am scared as hell

[brianewart]

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122420205889842989.html?mod=todays_us_opinion

Scared of the new socialist permanent order that is slowly creeping in now, and which will be swiftly enacted in the new year.

[tonesforjonesbones]

Well. at least you have enough sense to be scared..unlike many on this forum. tones

[TER]

You'll feel less scared if you are prepared.

[Highland]

Don't live in fear...it is not good for you....God will provide. Look for answers in your environment, they are there.

[Grimnir Wotansvolk]

if you ingrates want to get anywhere, you have to stop screaming "commie" at every person with a slightly differing philosophy

[tonesforjonesbones]

You really need to go study communist tactics. I posted in here...but it was ignored. I have been studying the communist party. Hegelian Dialectic, Controlled Opposition, the Delphi Technique, change agents. A "little different philosophy" got millions killed in Russia, Viet Nam, Cambodia etc...China...tones

[tonesforjonesbones]

LOLLLL I just saw the tag..hehe. TONESTONESTONESTONESTONESSSSSSSS is NOT a communist lover.

[Isaac Bickerstaff]

You really need to go study communist tactics. I posted in here...but it was ignored. I have been studying the communist party. Hegelian Dialectic, Controlled Opposition, the Delphi Technique, change agents. A "little different philosophy" got millions killed in Russia, Viet Nam, Cambodia etc...China...tones

And you still trust McCommie.

[tonesforjonesbones]

McCain is not a communist..he may be a liberal..but he's not anywhere NEAR Obama...nope. tones

[libertarian4321]

We had one-party socialist rule from 2001 to 2007 and we survived. This probably won't be much different.

[tonesforjonesbones]

There were still some checks and balances...tones

[Defining Obscene]

Don't be scared man. If you know its coming, what good does it do to be scared of it? Big Bad Socialism, its a house of cards.

[Grimnir Wotansvolk]

A "little different philosophy" got millions killed in Russia, Viet Nam, Cambodia etc...China...tonesI understand this fully. However, you'll find that the far left wing and far right wing, much as I hate appealing to these dichotomies, have similar interests: peace, fairness, and justice. With Ron Paul whispering in Nader's ear, they're now being turned on to sound money, avoidance of debt, and whatnot.

The right seeks to break down existing structures, the left favors swapping the plumbing and electricity for human waste compost heaps, solar panels, fiberoptics, etc. Both sound favorable to the situation we're in.

So instead of putting any energy towards McCain - a man who represents an establishment that has been taken over by a new breed of Trotskyism - look at the third parties. In particular, check out the third party debates: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WmshItKU_-g

Please don't tell me that you don't catch the obvious chemistry between these people

[tonesforjonesbones]

If this was a normal election cycle I would...but it is not. We are in real danger of a communist sweep..which will change the USA 4 ever and I am going to fight it by voting republican. If we get McCain we have a real chance in 4 years...if not...8 years of Obama and the communist democrats will do this movement in. tones

[werdd]

im actually quite excited for the future, it is going to be interesting. I've been mentally prepping myself for this for a long time now, and it doesn't come as a suprise.

One day the people will have to excercise their constitutional right to overthrow an overly opressive goverment, just like our founding fathers did.

[ronpaulhawaii]

If this was a normal election cycle I would...but it is not. We are in real danger of a communist sweep..which will change the USA 4 ever and I am going to fight it by voting republican. If we get McCain we have a real chance in 4 years...if not...8 years of Obama and the communist democrats will do this movement in. tones

There is always someone like you, trying to use scare tactics to get people to vote for a lie. If you were actually interested in promoting the checks and balances argument, here, you would be pushing the idea that people vote and volunteer to help GOP legislators. Instead you are a broken record for a broken man. The neo-con McCain, friend of Lieberman, friend of Obama, navel disgrace, and wife abandoner. McCain is not conservative, he is a sell-out; a tool of murdering banksters; face it.

Voting for him will not restore checks and balances, it will only perpetuate a surface gridlock that covers over the more insidous attacks on our former way of life. Which makes him the worse choice. Bush promised us a return to conservative values, and look at what he did. The greatest expansion of gov't and spending since the depression.

McCain stands for everything the r3VOLution stands against. If you were a supporter of the r3VOLution you would know and accept that and find another way to promote your BS checks and balances argument.

[tonesforjonesbones]

You don't get it...we don't have the numbers..and it will throw the movement into the toilet if obama wins. My republican vote is for buying time. Ron Paul is a REPUBLICAN...don't you remember? He first said to stay in the republican party and work to change it..well, anarchy was the wrong approach and it got the Paulites thrown out..and blocked. I understand people's ire towards the republican party for the shoddy way they treated Ron Paul...but changes don't happen overnight. I was so pissed at the GOP i left and went LP. After some time and I had a chance to get over my anger...i could understand the rationale of Dr. Paul...he knows there is a remenent of Liberty lovers withing the GOP...these are your patriots, lovers of the Constitution (even if they have forgotten what it is), traditionalists and for the most part, moral folk. The Republicans are your free marketers...these are the people we MUST win over...not the communist liberal democrats who WANT a nanny state. I'm just not into anarchy...it only creates another oligarchy. Tones

[Soldier of Liberty]

Well. at least you have enough sense to be scared..unlike many on this forum. tones

Should I be afraid, or should I have the steely resolve that its ''my country" and I will either stop the powers that be, or die trying.


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[Andrew-Austin]

You don't get it...we don't have the numbers..and it will throw the movement into the toilet if Obama wins. My republican vote is for buying time. Ron Paul is a REPUBLICAN... don't you remember?

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Tell me the secret to your crystal ball, tones.

[Soldier of Liberty]

If this was a normal election cycle I would...but it is not. We are in real danger of a communist sweep..which will change the USA 4 ever and I am going to fight it by voting republican. If we get McCain we have a real chance in 4 years...if not...8 years of Obama and the communist democrats will do this movement in. tones



I don't get that rationale? I've maintained that on principle alone I cannot vote for McCain or Obama.........That either one is equally as bad.........Only I fear the complacency that would come with a McCain presidency as most Conservatives would be lulled into one of those, "He's one of us," mindsets.


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[tonesforjonesbones]

I think you should be very concerned and vigilent. This election could kick of sever civil unrest..tones

Hawaii...you are still trying to use the Delphi Technique on me..isolating me and trying to make me look like the bad guy because I am a dissenter to this crazy , non effective 3rd party protest that will amount to nothing more than giving someone personal satisfaction. I am a LIBERTY lover...and I am hanging onto Ron Paul's first suggestion to stay within the GOP and work for change. I consider he got BAD advice from somewhere with this third party protest nonsense. Tones

[Soldier of Liberty]

You don't get it...we don't have the numbers..and it will throw the movement into the toilet if obama wins. My republican vote is for buying time. Ron Paul is a REPUBLICAN...don't you remember? He first said to stay in the republican party and work to change it..well, anarchy was the wrong approach and it got the Paulites thrown out..and blocked. I understand people's ire towards the republican party for the shoddy way they treated Ron Paul...but changes don't happen overnight. I was so pissed at the GOP i left and went LP. After some time and I had a chance to get over my anger...i could understand the rationale of Dr. Paul...he knows there is a remenent of Liberty lovers withing the GOP...these are your patriots, lovers of the Constitution (even if they have forgotten what it is), traditionalists and for the most part, moral folk. The Republicans are your free marketers...these are the people we MUST win over...not the communist liberal democrats who WANT a nanny state. I'm just not into anarchy...it only creates another oligarchy. Tones

Didnt know the life of the movement was based on who was in office........I thought it was based on pure resolve, like the resolve our Founding Fathers had.


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[Andrew-Austin]

I think you should be very concerned and vigilent. This election could kick of sever civil unrest..tones

Hawaii...you are still trying to use the Delphi Technique on me..isolating me and trying to make me look like the bad guy because I am a dissenter to this crazy , non effective 3rd party protest that will amount to nothing more than giving someone personal satisfaction. I am a LIBERTY lover...and I am hanging onto Ron Paul's first suggestion to stay within the GOP and work for change. I consider he got BAD advice from somewhere with this third party protest nonsense. Tones

Yes, it was the communists, they brained washed Paul to go third party.

Voting for McCain does not equate to 'working for change', nor does voting against him via third party completely hinder efforts to change the GOP.

You might want to try and change your approach Tones, crystal ball fear mongering is not that effective here. I'm not all that confident in your ability to predict the future.

[ronpaulhawaii]

You don't get it...we don't have the numbers..and it will throw the movement into the toilet if obama wins. My republican vote is for buying time. Ron Paul is a REPUBLICAN...don't you remember? He first said to stay in the republican party and work to change it..well, anarchy was the wrong approach and it got the Paulites thrown out..and blocked. I understand people's ire towards the republican party for the shoddy way they treated Ron Paul...but changes don't happen overnight. I was so pissed at the GOP i left and went LP. After some time and I had a chance to get over my anger...i could understand the rationale of Dr. Paul...he knows there is a remenent of Liberty lovers withing the GOP...these are your patriots, lovers of the Constitution (even if they have forgotten what it is), traditionalists and for the most part, moral folk. The Republicans are your free marketers...these are the people we MUST win over...not the communist liberal democrats who WANT a nanny state. I'm just not into anarchy...it only creates another oligarchy. Tones

Ron Paul is a conservative who works in the republican party. McCain is a liberal who works in the republican party. There are patriots on both sides of the aisle. The way the establishment treated RP is understandable, he threatens the false dichotomy they perpetuate. I think more people are pissed at the way they were treated by the neo-con liars at the head of the GOP.

Conservatives are free marketers, McCain is no conservative. The latest evidence is in the bail-out bill, he would have had a better chance had he voted against it. If you were truly interested in promoting the r3VOLution (from your paranoid stance) you would be promoting conservatives, instead you are here promoting a liberal- John McCain; naval disgrace and wife abandoner

[moostraks]

if you ingrates want to get anywhere, you have to stop screaming "commie" at every person with a slightly differing philosophy

Might want to add in Obama voters/lovers to this one...I, for one, and sick of hearing that all of us are Obama voters as well as third party voters will destroy the US. If the man has enough support he should win it on his own. If we are such a negligible amount of voters as third party voters, then why are some so worried that we can throw the election and why aren't we allowed to choose who we think is the best candidate for the job instead of having to be the strategic vote to enable someone else's piss poor choice of a candidate???:confused:

[tonesforjonesbones]

It's got nothing to do with me. Maybe you should be a little more afraid ...it's fine to be resolute..but play it smart. tones

[tonesforjonesbones]

Well I suppose youre right there...the movement isn't really large enough to make a real impact at this time. tones

[TC95]

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122420205889842989.html?mod=todays_us_opinion

Scared of the new socialist permanent order that is slowly creeping in now, and which will be swiftly enacted in the new year.

Well, you've got two choices. McCain Pain or Obama Trauma. One of those guys are gonna win whether we like it or not. Ron Paul isn't gonna win and a third party isn't gonna win. So, I strongly advise you to pick the less Socialist one and that would be McCain. Personally, I'd rather be in pain than traumatized.

Technically, you've got more than two choices. You can write Ron Paul or someone else in or vote third party, but just keep in mind that there's no chance that they're gonna win this election. So, do what you're gut tells you to do. My gut tells me to keep Obama out of office. I can't do that by voting for RP or third party. Voting for McCain might not even work, but it's worth a try...to me anyways.

[ronpaulhawaii]

I think you should be very concerned and vigilent. This election could kick of sever civil unrest..tones

Fear mongering will get you nowhere, while this country may no longer be land of the free, this forum is home of the brave.


Hawaii...you are still trying to use the Delphi Technique on me..

:rolleyes: - interesting you know so much about psy-op techniques...


isolating me and trying to make me look like the bad guy because I am a dissenter to this crazy , non effective 3rd party protest that will amount to nothing more than giving someone personal satisfaction.


It is not a 3rd party "protest" - the GOP has been taken over by liberals and I am promoting 3rd party as a way to wake people up that they are being misled by tools of murdering banksters


I am a LIBERTY lover...and I am hanging onto Ron Paul's first suggestion to stay within the GOP and work for change. I consider he got BAD advice from somewhere with this third party protest nonsense. Tones

Well, I've spent hours talking to RP, alone, one on one. I am here to tell you, you are wrong

[Freedom 4 all]

RP supporters don't watch Faux News and hence don't support McCain. He's no better and if Obama wins, the GOP can respond with someone who isn't a communist in 2012. If McCain wins, we will have 8 years before even any potential constitutionalist.

[Andrew-Austin]

RP supporters don't watch Faux News and hence don't support McCain. He's no better and if Obama wins, the GOP can respond with someone who isn't a communist in 2012. If McCain wins, we will have 8 years before even any potential constitutionalist.

If McCain won, then by default a democrat President would follow him.

McCain would last for only one term, and the following Dem would last eight.

[angelatc]

A Voice From The Friedmanite Wilderness

http://www.forbes.com/2008/10/13/crisis-economy-friedman-oped-cx_hm_1014manne_print.html

Excellent article that prepares for dark times.


As for McCain, a vote for him is freaking wasted, as is a vote for Obama. McCain is going to lose by so many votes that even if you do believe in that nonsensical "lesser of 2 evils" stuff, it doesn't freaking matter. You might as well vote third party, so they will at least stand to gain ballot access and federal funds in the future.

As for Obama, same thing. He is going to win by such a huge margin that it's stupid to vote for him just because you're voting against McCain. Obama doesn't need your vote. You might as well vote third party, so they will at least stand to gain ballot access and federal funds in the future.