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max
09-06-2007, 05:59 PM
This is HUGE.

As you know, the media-driven Barack Obama phenomenom is, in large part, fueled by the erroneous perecption that Obama is "the anti-war candidate".

As the Democrat race unfolds, Obama, in order to appeal to the wealthy pro-Israel donors of AIPAC, is selling out the anti-war left. He has stated clearly that he would consider an attack on both Pakistan and Iran. Little by little, the anti-war left is beginning to see through his bullshit.

They won't support the warmongering Hillary, and Kusinich , though sincere in his anti-war position, is going nowhere.

These people have nowhere left to go but to our camp. They will love Ron Paul's positions on civil liberties, marijuana, and non-interventionism. In time, we can educate them to the benefits of free enterprise as well.

If there are any of you here who have recently jumped the Obama ship, we need you to reach out to their friends in the anti-war left. We need to realize that the whole left-right charade was a phony fight that the elites sets up for us...a divide and conquer straegy. The real battle is not left-right...it's up vs down....the ruling Establishment vs The People.

If left-center-right can unify around this new reality....we can take these sons of bitches down from their lofty perches

Welcome aboard you liberals! Now go recruit your friends to the RON PAUL REVOLUTION!

Michael Ingram
09-06-2007, 06:02 PM
Where are some Obama forums, this is what I will post:

"I'm sick and tired of this lying from Obama, he's going pro-war wanting to attack Iran and Pakistan, I'm thinking about other candidates right now and Ron Paul catches my eye."

katao
09-06-2007, 06:05 PM
Where are some Obama forums, this is what I will post:

"I'm sick and tired of this lying from Obama, he's going pro-war wanting to attack Iran and Pakistan, I'm thinking about other candidates right now and Ron Paul catches my eye."


I'd make it even more subtle and at first, not mention Ron Paul. They'll figure it out...

Lord Xar
09-06-2007, 06:07 PM
mention that he is a flipflopper because of his wants from aipac

yeah, mention RON PAUL... they will not figure it out.. most of his supporterse do not even know there are other canddiates.. my 2cents, at least.

Lord Xar
09-06-2007, 06:08 PM
This Vid mentions some lines of Obamas about IRAN:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=vhfAtco0XXQ

maxmerkel
09-06-2007, 06:10 PM
I'd make it even more subtle
:D

just a little bit ;)

james1906
09-06-2007, 06:12 PM
Where are some Obama forums, this is what I will post:

"I'm sick and tired of this lying from Obama, he's going pro-war wanting to attack Iran and Pakistan, I'm thinking about other candidates right now and Ron Paul catches my eye."

Sounds good. Maybe say something like "I can't believe Ron Paul's been catching my eye, it's a sad state of affairs that a Republican is the best anti-war candidate." Then it sounds like you're fed up with all the Dems have to offer.

TexMac
09-06-2007, 06:12 PM
Another thing that's not well known about Obama is how much of a drug warrior he is. If you're talking to lefties, send them here:

http://www.talkleft.com/story/2007/8/28/222237/942

http://www.talkleft.com/story/2007/8/15/111316/519

http://www.talkleft.com/story/2007/4/5/145954/8225

RevolutionSD
09-06-2007, 06:12 PM
This is HUGE.

As you know, the media-driven Barack Obama phenomenom is, in large part, fueled by the erroneous perecption that Obama is "the anti-war candidate".

As the Democrat race unfolds, Obama, in order to appeal to the wealthy pro-Israel donors of AIPAC, is selling out the anti-war left. He has stated clearly that he would consider an attack on both Pakistan and Iran. Little by little, the anti-war left is beginning to see through his bullshit.

They won't support the warmongering Hillary, and Kusinich , though sincere in his anti-war position, is going nowhere.

These people have nowhere left to go but to our camp. They will love Ron Paul's positions on civil liberties, marijuana, and non-interventionism. In time, we can educate them to the benefits of free enterprise as well.

If there are any of you here who have recently jumped the Obama ship, we need you to reach out to their friends in the anti-war left. We need to realize that the whole left-right charade was a phony fight that the elites sets up for us...a divide and conquer straegy. The real battle is not left-right...it's up vs down....the ruling Establishment vs The People.

If left-center-right can unify around this new reality....we can take these sons of bitches down from their lofty perches

Welcome aboard you liberals! Now go recruit your friends to the RON PAUL REVOLUTION!

GREAT points, this is exactly why I keep saying we need to keep recruiting democrats, and stay away from the slim jim with the picture of Ronald Reagan when doing so!

American
09-06-2007, 06:13 PM
Talk about Ron Paul's ideas and positions but never mention his name. Also dont talk randomly about the Constitution because the GOP "front" runners are now using playing the Constitution line. They just dont get it.

At least that whats I would do, I would also try using Rudy's line, it seems to work pretty well of "Well the reality is".....lol

max
09-06-2007, 06:14 PM
heres a good line...

This Ron Paul guy is a Republican...but he voted against the war , against the patriot Act..and the ban on gay marriages. He's actually ran as a Libertarian in 1988 (sounds like liberal)...I never thought I could support a Republican but this guy has really fascinated me....The Republican establishment HATES him

****

Historical note....

Hitler deliberately chose the color red for his banners and picked the term "national Socialism" in order to attract and steal the supporters of the German marxists. This strategy enabled him to unite left and right..

No, I'm not advocating Nazism....but its worth mentioning as how to go about bringing left-right togther

paulpwns
09-06-2007, 06:15 PM
I converted an anti-war democrat in my class today.
She wanted Obama because he was anti-war. I told her about the CFR, and linked him to bush and she quickly changed her mind. Also mentioned Iran and Pakistan. She is a female African American Paul supporter now.

max
09-06-2007, 06:17 PM
I converted an anti-war democrat in my class today.
She wanted Obama because he was anti-war. I told her about the CFR, and linked him to bush and she quickly changed her mind. Also mentioned Iran and Pakistan. She is a female African American Paul supporter now.

YOU WIN THE MVP (Most Valuable Paulite) of the day award with that!

Show her youtube...RON PAUL STOP DREAMING...RON PAUL IN THE COURSE OF HUMAN EVENTS

katao
09-06-2007, 06:18 PM
I converted an anti-war democrat in my class today.
She wanted Obama because he was anti-war. I told her about the CFR, and linked him to bush and she quickly changed her mind. Also mentioned Iran and Pakistan. She is a female African American Paul supporter now.

Great job! Keep it up.

mport1
09-06-2007, 06:19 PM
Make sure you get some posts under your belt before you bring up RP.

SWATH
09-06-2007, 06:20 PM
Why do the libs hate Reagan so much?

max
09-06-2007, 06:22 PM
Make sure you get some posts under your belt before you bring up RP.

good thinking!

better yet...troll with an accomplice...ask rhetorical questions like...is there any one out there who will stop this war?...

you play straight man while the accomplice schools u on RP....but like mport said...get some posts under ur belts first...

and PLEASE...utilize aravoths videos to fullest extant...I've made people cry with those!

jj111
09-06-2007, 06:22 PM
Check out the "Voterguide" , "End All Wars", and "Democrats for Ron Paul" flyers at this site:

http://ronpaul.meetup.com/36/files/

They are perfect for Democrat and liberal target audience and they show how Ron shines in comparison to Obama and Hillary.

john_anderson_ii
09-06-2007, 06:23 PM
Why do the libs hate Reagan so much?


Regan talked about shutting off the money supply to the federal government once or twice I'd guess.

max
09-06-2007, 06:23 PM
Why do the libs hate Reagan so much?

because during the cold war...Reagan was too hard on their commie idols in Russia...

Lord Xar
09-06-2007, 06:26 PM
naw.. they hated reagan because he put an end to ALOT of GUBMENT programs... and thus he was a bad guy.

Also, make sure that CONVERTED Paulite changes her status to republic to VOTE!!!!!!

Bloody Holly
09-06-2007, 06:29 PM
I'm dissappointed with leftist's priorities. It seems they care about socialism more than ending the war.

SWATH
09-06-2007, 06:30 PM
I asked because, I mentioned Reagan to a lib at work and she immediately shot back with "I am NOT a big fan of the Gipper". I didn't ask but I wondered how someone could hate him so much. I actually wondered if she even knew anything about him.

Nefertiti
09-06-2007, 06:31 PM
http://my.barackobama.com/page/community/search

Click advanced search and type Ron Paul.

Nefertiti
09-06-2007, 06:38 PM
They are having a discussion about him over there right now on their main blog-saying pretty positive things-someone was asking where they could find more information about him-and so I posted the link to these forums-still have my account there as I am one of those Obama refugees!

Lord Xar
09-06-2007, 06:41 PM
They are having a discussion about him over there right now on their main blog-saying pretty positive things-someone was asking where they could find more information about him-and so I posted the link to these forums-still have my account there as I am one of those Obama refugees!

point to the "Stop Dreaming" video on youtube..

Nefertiti
09-06-2007, 06:44 PM
Done.

max
09-06-2007, 06:46 PM
They are having a discussion about him over there right now on their main blog-saying pretty positive things-someone was asking where they could find more information about him-and so I posted the link to these forums-still have my account there as I am one of those Obama refugees!

Nef...this forum might not be ideal for brand new Obama refugees....Too much culture shock....I would direct them to aravoths you tube videos and RP 2008

Nefertiti
09-06-2007, 06:51 PM
They had already been to ronpaul2008.com and found it uninformative. Personally, I found these forums to be a breath of fresh air after the Obama blog. The discussion here was at a much more intelligent level and differences of opinion are more accepted here. The last straw was when I disagreed about something regarding Obama and someone who knew I had been posting there for months accused me of being a Hillary troll, when I absolutely despise Hillary. It was so rude.

Here I also got the sense that the "grassroots" that Obama had been claiming was really happening. It made his campaign seem so staged and fake.

It annoys me to no end how Obama (and now I see Fred) are misusing the word "grassroots" to describe their carefully crafted campaigns directed from above.

micahnelson
09-06-2007, 06:51 PM
GREAT points, this is exactly why I keep saying we need to keep recruiting democrats, and stay away from the slim jim with the picture of Ronald Reagan when doing so!

Young dems probably won't like Reagan. Reagan did win in two landslides though. There are alot of Reagan democrats out there.

RevolutionSD
09-06-2007, 07:02 PM
Why do the libs hate Reagan so much?

Reagan talked like a libertarian but acted like a big government fool.
The Reagan myth is just that. Unbalanced budgets, sky-high deficits, and insane arms buildups are not the make of a great conservative.
In fact, under Reagan our taxes did not go down.
In fact, under Reagan, we had the BIGGEST government in history.

So the results were not great and the liberals hate him and blame conservatism for it.

Let's forget the Reagan Myth and get Ron Paul in office who is 1000x the candidate Reagan ever was!

max
09-06-2007, 07:06 PM
They had already been to ronpaul2008.com and found it uninformative.

I'm not impressed AT ALL with ronpaul2008.com either

there just so much there and it overwhelms a new visitor..

you only have a few moments to really hook and educate somebody....

I would like the campaign to put up a brief intro video as a starting point for first time visitors...I know I'm redundant with this...but aravoths video is a hook that will catch lots of fish...

jonahtrainer
09-06-2007, 07:43 PM
I'm not impressed AT ALL with ronpaul2008.com either

there just so much there and it overwhelms a new visitor..

you only have a few moments to really hook and educate somebody....

I would like the campaign to put up a brief intro video as a starting point for first time visitors...I know I'm redundant with this...but aravoths video is a hook that will catch lots of fish...

I agree. It is as if they do not understand the purpose of the site is to sell Ron Paul's position.

There needs to be a very carefully done 3-5 minute YouTube that is always on the frontpage that hits on the majority of the issues. Perhaps call it: An Introduction to Ron Paul and his Policy

The other parts of the website are fine if people are interested. His site gets the most traffic from Wiki and people spend the most time there. So, it is informing people. Ron Paul is just such deep statesman, compared to our fluffy superfluous politicians, that it is hard to make a small site. I see the problem.

Marceline88
09-06-2007, 07:44 PM
As someone who used to think they were a liberal, I would say personally the thing that is most disturbing to me about Reagan is the farce that was "trickle down economics" and the destitution that fell upon the family farm during his presidency.

Most people who think they are liberals aren't socialist per se......they may misunderstand the consequences of socialist thought but in general they just have big bleeding hearts that don't want to see more poverty or more social injustice in the world. The "lets take care of everyone" ideal of socialist thought is easy to move towards when it breaks your ever-lovin' heart to see your fellow man in pain. Simple as that.

Don't be a hater, be an educator.

jonahtrainer
09-06-2007, 08:08 PM
As someone who used to think they were a liberal, I would say personally the thing that is most disturbing to me about Reagan is the farce that was "trickle down economics" and the destitution that fell upon the family farm during his presidency.

Most people who think they are liberals aren't socialist per se......they may misunderstand the consequences of socialist thought but in general they just have big bleeding hearts that don't want to see more poverty or more social injustice in the world. The "lets take care of everyone" ideal of socialist thought is easy to move towards when it breaks your ever-lovin' heart to see your fellow man in pain. Simple as that.

Don't be a hater, be an educator.

I agree. The intentions are not bad only the misguided application. As Ron Paul says 'We are the true humanitarians.'

This is because goods and services are allocated in a better way under capitalism versus socialism. All the welfare state does is make everyone equally poor. Some good advice I heard from Doug Wead was 'You cannot feed the hungry if you have an empty stomach.'

We need to be rich, free and prosperous ourselves in order to be able to help others. But that charity should never be compelled against one's will; which is what socialism attempts to do.

Robbing someone to feed the hungry is immoral and unjust although the intentions to feed the hungry may be good the application is wrong. So likewise we should not use government to do our robbing for us.

constituent
09-06-2007, 08:14 PM
to convert obamans

make a sign or look them straight in the eye and say,

"i'm not a racist, that's why i'm voting for the black guy"

what would also be cool is a big billboard that's got
obama walking all tall with his hand out, grinning
cheesey, and next to it the text says,
"hey, don't be a racist"

BuddyRey
09-07-2007, 02:42 AM
Bump from one of the aforementioned Democratic defectors! :D

Karsten
09-07-2007, 02:50 AM
I agree. It is as if they do not understand the purpose of the site is to sell Ron Paul's position.

There needs to be a very carefully done 3-5 minute YouTube that is always on the frontpage that hits on the majority of the issues. Perhaps call it: An Introduction to Ron Paul and his Policy

The other parts of the website are fine if people are interested. His site gets the most traffic from Wiki and people spend the most time there. So, it is informing people. Ron Paul is just such deep statesman, compared to our fluffy superfluous politicians, that it is hard to make a small site. I see the problem.

I actually dissent on this one, and think ronpaul2008.com is pretty good. If it wasn't that good, why would it received more hits than any other candidate? It's well organized, it lists the latest news and events, has a list of youtube videos on the front page, and most importantly a list of social networking sites (which is where Ron Paul has had a whole lot of success, as all of us know). The "About Ron" page is really good, and we all have quoted this from time to time:

"He has never voted to raise taxes.
He has never voted for an unbalanced budget.
He has never voted for a federal restriction on gun ownership.
He has never voted to raise congressional pay.
He has never taken a government-paid junket.
He has never voted to increase the power of the executive branch.

He voted against the Patriot Act.
He voted against regulating the Internet.
He voted against the Iraq war.

He does not participate in the lucrative congressional pension program.
He returns a portion of his annual congressional office budget to the U.S. treasury every year."

jmunjr
09-07-2007, 03:02 AM
Democrats cringe when the realize he wants to get rid of all the "departments"...

nexalacer
09-07-2007, 05:44 AM
Why do the libs hate Reagan so much?

Because despite all of his rhetoric, he did more to inflate the war machine, the war on drugs, and the images of corporate greed run wild than many presidents before him. I don't think it's his fault, I think GHWB set up the assassination attempt with his CIA buddies in order to scare Reagan, but still, actions speak louder than words, and Reagan's actions were not friends of mine.

blazin_it_alwyz
09-07-2007, 07:11 AM
Personally, I found these forums to be a breath of fresh air after the Obama blog. The discussion here was at a much more intelligent level and differences of opinion are more accepted here..

The only problem is the couple of people here who think it's ok to slander newcomers to these forums, I won't say any names...........

constituent
09-07-2007, 08:26 AM
blaze all you want, but don't contribute to another flame war...

you've shown much greater discernment in the past... don't let us down.

JMann
09-07-2007, 09:02 AM
I asked because, I mentioned Reagan to a lib at work and she immediately shot back with "I am NOT a big fan of the Gipper". I didn't ask but I wondered how someone could hate him so much. I actually wondered if she even knew anything about him.

I liked Reagan but one thing that bothered people was his declaration of war against American citizens who choose to do drugs. I'm not a big fan of presidents telling the American people what they can and can't do. This is a job best left for state legislatures.