Donate to air the Ron Paul/Barry Goldwater Jr. Ad in Louisiana

[dr. hfn]

http://www.deadlybuda.com/ltpp.html

answer the Campaign for Liberty's call to donate too, may the R3VOLUTION LIVE

[ItsTime]

have you gone door to door asking for donations yet?

[dr. hfn]

no, have you

I'm not a beggar

[torchbearer]

have you gone door to door asking for donations yet?

We are using our mailing list from the campaign for liberty to ask for donations.
As we are reconnecting with supporters, we are getting them in on the project.

Some people are reserving money to buy the ad spots.

[Gigaplex]

This is a bad use of resources. I will not donate to this and I hope no one else does either. Ron Paul is not even running. You are using Ron Paul's own organization to go against him promoting a LIE or at least misinformation about his intentions. That is seriously f*cked up. YOU NEED TO MOVE ON. Stop trying to run this movement into the ground - just get on with things.

These people that you get to vote for that ticket will look at the results afterwards nationally of Ron Paul getting 0.0001% of the vote, far below the third party candidates and will think that Ron Paul/CFL will never have any chance of getting anywhere. You are setting up a massive failure that is impossible to avoid. If Ron Paul runs again in 2012, good luck getting those people on board - they will regard it as useless. You are destroying the credibility of a future Ron Paul campaign in that area. A campaign should be full force or not at all. You are wasting resources in an effort to elect someone that is not even running. What you SHOULD be doing is concentrating on CFL.

THIS IS A RIDICULOUS WASTE OF MONEY AND TIME

[torchbearer]

This is a bad use of resources. I will not donate to this and I hope no one else does either. Ron Paul is not even running. You are using Ron Paul's own organization to go against him promoting a LIE or at least misinformation about his intentions. That is seriously f*cked up. YOU NEED TO MOVE ON. Stop trying to run this movement into the ground - just get on with things.

These people that you get to vote for that ticket will look at the results afterwards nationally of Ron Paul getting 0.0001% of the vote, far below the third party candidates and will think that Ron Paul/CFL will never have any chance of getting anywhere. You are setting up a massive failure that is impossible to avoid. If Ron Paul runs again in 2012, good luck getting those people on board - they will regard it as useless. You are destroying the credibility of a future Ron Paul campaign in that area. A campaign should be full force or not at all. You are wasting resources in an effort to elect someone that is not even running. What you SHOULD be doing is concentrating on CFL.

THIS IS A RIDICULOUS WASTE OF MONEY AND TIME


With that vein of thought, voting for any third party is a waste of time too.
In fact, you being at ron paul forums is a waste of time.
Campaign for liberty - waste of time.
Liberty movement- waste of time.
Hell, let's just vote for one of the two socialist. Maybe we will pick the winner.

In Louisiana, we have an oppurtunity to cause McCain to lose this state.
In Montana, we have an oppurtunity to cause McCain to lose the state.
The ad is also being retooled for baldwin's campaign. (i guess that is another waste of time to you)

[Gigaplex]

With that vein of thought, voting for any third party is a waste of time too.


I commented on the fake RP campaign being bad strategy and the promotion of a lie/misinformation about RP's intentions. Your wild extrapolation is non sequitur.

[torchbearer]

I commented on the fake RP campaign being bad strategy and the promotion of a lie/misinformation about RP's intentions. Your wild extrapolation is non sequitur.

No, it follows your logic.
Unless you know you are going to win, you are wasting your time.
Ergo, you are wasting your time doing anything in a minority movement like ours.

And thus, you wouldn't be wasting your time working for the establishment.

[Kludge]

It encourages research, discussion and education.

That should currently be the goal of any national libertarian campaign/program.

[torchbearer]

It encourages research, discussion and education.

That should currently be the goal of any national libertarian campaign/program.

Ron Paul being on the ballot has brought together many of the activist and 3rd party leaders in our state.
We are starting to have meetings that are crossing party lines, and we are developing a structure that supports any candidate, in any party, that supports the constitution.

This wouldn't have happed, if we didn't have Ron on the ballot.
His message brought us all together instead of working seperately on different third party campaigns.

[Gigaplex]

I did not say that all candidates that are not likely to win should not be supported. The issue I took with this in regard to strategy is that it would under-represent what a real Ron Paul campaign could do. It would be like if I got into the Olympics and then walked the 100 meter dash. Have no illusions about this - you are running a fake campaign.

You are consistently avoiding the fact that you are lying/misrepresenting Ron Paul's intentions. Instead of addressing this inconvenient fact, you instead construct straw man arguments.

Look, I know you're fully entrenched in this effort now and that you are unlikely to let it go so there is not much point in debating this. I just wanted to deter other people from allocating resources in the wrong area. Donations would be doing a lot more good if they instead went to Chuck Baldwin's campaign or to some other campaign where someone is actually running for the office.

[torchbearer]

I did not say that all candidates that are not likely to win should not be supported. The issue I took with this in regard to strategy is that it would under-represent what a real Ron Paul campaign could do. It would be like if I got into the Olympics and then walked the 100 meter dash. Have no illusions about this - you are running a fake campaign.

You are consistently avoiding the fact that you are lying/misrepresenting Ron Paul's intentions. Instead of addressing this inconvenient fact, you instead construct straw man arguments.

Look, I know you're fully entrenched in this effort now and that you are unlikely to let it go so there is not much point in debating this. I just wanted to deter other people from allocating resources in the wrong area. Donations would be doing a lot more good if they instead went to Chuck Baldwin's campaign or to some other campaign where someone is actually running for the office.

We are helping the Baldwin campaign. We are making our ad, retooled for their purpose and helping them get it on the air.
Its a pro-third party thing.
Barr didn't make our ballot. People wanted to write-in ron paul.
To give these people a legitimate ballot to vote for, we put Ron Paul on the ballot.
And note- he didn't ask us to take it off.. and the people of lake jackson have sent me thanks for putting him on.
Its not a fake campaign. Its a real campaign. We are pushing the message, but I can't put a message on a ballot. So I put the man with the message.

[Gigaplex]

We are helping the Baldwin campaign. We are making our ad, retooled for their purpose and helping them get it on the air.
Its a pro-third party thing.
Barr didn't make our ballot. People wanted to write-in ron paul.
To give these people a legitimate ballot to vote for, we put Ron Paul on the ballot.
And note- he didn't ask us to take it off.. and the people of lake jackson have sent me thanks for putting him on.
Its not a fake campaign. Its a real campaign. We are pushing the message, but I can't put a message on a ballot. So I put the man with the message.

I can understand people writing him in if they feel they can't support anyone else but I fail to see why that justifies putting him on the ballot as though he is running and spending a lot of money promoting that rather than Baldwin.

If your real goal is supporting Baldwin's campaign then why are you spending money on airing an ad for the fake Ron Paul campaign? And yes it is fake because he is not running - that is the thing that makes it fake. It is the same as if you put Thomas Jefferson on the ballot - Thomas Jefferson is not running either so that would be a fake campaign.

If McCain does end up losing and if it is because of Ron Paul, republicans will have a strong aversion to Ron Paul in the future. This is why republicans don't run 3P unless they are permanently severing ties. If this election is really close and Obama wins solely because of this, a future Ron Paul campaign might be dead before it even began. I want Obama and McCain to get the least amount of votes possible too but a fake Ron Paul campaign is just a bad way of doing that. Did you ever think that Ron Paul might have decided against a 3P run so that he would have a better chance running in 2012? Maybe he just wanted to keep that option on the table, who knows. That would be pretty kick-ass though right?

[torchbearer]

I can understand people writing him in if they feel they can't support anyone else but I fail to see why that justifies putting him on the ballot as though he is running and spending a lot of money promoting that rather than Baldwin.

If your real goal is supporting Baldwin's campaign then why are you spending money on airing an ad for the fake Ron Paul campaign? And yes it is fake because he is not running - that is the thing that makes it fake. It is the same as if you put Thomas Jefferson on the ballot - Thomas Jefferson is not running either so that would be a fake campaign.

If McCain does end up losing and if it is because of Ron Paul, republicans will have a strong aversion to Ron Paul in the future. This is why republicans don't run 3P unless they are permanently severing ties. If this election is really close and Obama wins solely because of this, a future Ron Paul campaign might be dead before it even began. I want Obama and McCain to get the least amount of votes possible too but a fake Ron Paul campaign is just a bad way of doing that. Did you ever think that Ron Paul might have decided against a 3P run so that he would have a better chance running in 2012? Maybe he just wanted to keep that option on the table, who knows. That would be pretty kick-ass though right?

Write-in ballots don't count in louisiana. Do you want your vote to count?
No wait, you'd rather people who want to write-in ron to not have a vote.
And the LAGOP has a HUGE aversion to ron paul supporters. That is why they must lose. The only way to replace them is to make sure they fail due to real conservatives every chance we get.
Their lackeys will back them as long as they can provide them power... once they can't provide them power because they don't have any.. their sheep will turn to sharks and feed on them.
We can't get a fair vote in a caucus otherwise.


How about this one. You worry about the political situation in your state. You don't have fucking clue what these assholes did to us in this state.

[dr. hfn]

i agree with torchbearer

[Micah Dardar]

This guy thinks the RP campaign in Louisiana is fake? Maybe he should look at the Secretary of State's website:

http://www400.sos.louisiana.gov/cgibin/?rqstyp=CNDMD&rqsdta=110408&ID=01017141

It's not too fake since both my mom and my wife are electors for Ron Paul! :D

[sratiug]

I can understand people writing him in if they feel they can't support anyone else but I fail to see why that justifies putting him on the ballot as though he is running and spending a lot of money promoting that rather than Baldwin.

If your real goal is supporting Baldwin's campaign then why are you spending money on airing an ad for the fake Ron Paul campaign? And yes it is fake because he is not running - that is the thing that makes it fake. It is the same as if you put Thomas Jefferson on the ballot - Thomas Jefferson is not running either so that would be a fake campaign.

If McCain does end up losing and if it is because of Ron Paul, republicans will have a strong aversion to Ron Paul in the future. This is why republicans don't run 3P unless they are permanently severing ties. If this election is really close and Obama wins solely because of this, a future Ron Paul campaign might be dead before it even began. I want Obama and McCain to get the least amount of votes possible too but a fake Ron Paul campaign is just a bad way of doing that. Did you ever think that Ron Paul might have decided against a 3P run so that he would have a better chance running in 2012? Maybe he just wanted to keep that option on the table, who knows. That would be pretty kick-ass though right?

It ain't fake if he's on the ballot. Did you think what could happen if he won Louisiana? That could give his electors in the electoral college the power to name the next president, thus giving them the power to extoll huge concessions from the major party candidates beforehand. Such as bringing our troops home, ending the federal reserve, etc...

In fact this could be a good campaign strategy for the next presidential cycle. Pick one state and run truthful negative ads against the repubs and dems for months and try to win it. Run strong candidates in their house and senate and governors races at the same time. Back that state up with our nationwide support. An invasion of Liberty, if you will, into a beachhead state.

[torchbearer]

If you need to final version of the commercial, pm me. I'll send you a link.