Don't Say You Haven't Been Warned! Warning Warning Will Robinson!!!

[tonesforjonesbones]

TIME TO CALL A COMMUNIST A COMMUNIST
Townhall.com ^ | Oct. 16, 2008 | Laura Hollis

Posted on Thursday, October 16, 2008 8:33:45 PM by patriot08

I am tired of all the dancing around the subject with respect to Barack Obama’s political, social, and economic views. He’s not a “liberal,” or a “Democrat,” or a “progressive,” or even a “socialist.” Let’s call it what it is, shall we? It’s time to use the “C” word. His policies are communist, pure and simple.

Even without the power of the Presidency, a filibuster-proof Senate, and U.S. Supreme Court appointments under his belt, Obama has already:

* called for a national citizen military force;

* sent government agents to intimidate American citizens who have said they don’t agree with him and will not vote for him;

* tried to use the offices of state Attorneys General to silence any opposition or dissent;

* offered questionable “support” for the Second Amendment “right to bear arms” – as long as it isn’t in self-defense;

* proposed his version of “from each according to his ability, to each according to his need;” (plumbers – plumbers, for pity’s sake, should pay more taxes???)

* trained, funded and utilized organizations like ACORN that are notorious for voter registration fraud;

* consorted with and funded terrorists and anti-American radicals;

* attended a church led by a racist, black supremacist, anti-American bigot;

* been mentored by Frank Marshall Davis, who was apparently not only a Communist and a bigot, but also a pervert, and who warned Obama not to go off to college or fall for “equal opportunity and the American way and all that s***.”

Despite concerted efforts by the media to hide this information, Obama’s connections with the Communist Party have been unearthed by independent investigators, journalists and bloggers. And like clockwork, Obama apologists and handlers are trying to assuage the public’s concerns with assurances that Obama is “not that radical;” he knows that “socialism is dead;” he is a pragmatist, not an ideologue.

Uh-huh. Sure. Well, they got the “pragmatist” part right, anyway. Obama’s immersion in the philosophy of Saul Alinsky has made him a master of political pragmatism. Conservatives make another fundamental error when they wonder why Obama is heralding policies like higher taxes that have been proven, time and time again, to fail. Newsflash: You don’t get it. It’s not that Obama is ignorant, or misguided. He knows – as do his Red backers – that the policies he espouses will cause further economic trauma. This is deliberate. Because the worse things get, the more receptive the public will be to Obama’s & Co.’s honey-tongued assurances that the government will step in and “make it all better.” Look at Hurricane Katrina, and the recent financial crisis: how many people were clamoring for the government to “do something”? And that’s nothing compared to what we’re going to face when Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid collapse.

Obama’s colleagues are shrewd; they know that they have little chance of taking over all of private enterprise by force. Instead, they want the public to hand it over to them, bit by bit.

Even the briefest study of Communist Party ideology dating back to the 1930s reveals a concerted campaign to infiltrate and destroy the United States from within, by gaining control of the universities, of the media, of primary and secondary school, of the courts, and ultimately the entire government. Joseph McCarthy’s monumentally bad rap notwithstanding, dozens of former spies have come forward, as have the documents, attesting to the Party’s intentions. When the Soviet Union fell in 1989, those ideas pretty much went the way of the dodo in Russia, but they have been alive and well in this country for 80 years. People like William Ayers are proof.

Communism is – at best – a failed business model. At worst it is a recipe for slaughter. In its initial phases, communism depends upon arrogance, ignorance, deceit, and complicity. Its advocates and standard-bearers are typically messianic ideologues who use economic hardship to deceive well-meaning but woefully ignorant people into agreeing with its basic premises. Once in power, however, the communists themselves are merciless, for two reasons: one, communists have a deistic view of their own righteousness and benevolent intentions. And two, the principles of communism are fundamentally flawed and utterly at odds with human nature. Everyone is only “equal” in the eyes of God; using earthly measures (talent, ability, skills, interests, motivation), humans are as different as can be. Attempts to create equal results, as opposed to equal opportunity, are doomed to failure. Failure, in communists, produces frustration. And frustration, in communists, results in oppression.

Because of principle #2, above, communism has always resulted in economic deprivation – if not outright starvation - on a widespread scale. And so because of principle #1, the opposition – and this becomes a larger and larger segment of the population as time goes on – must be silenced, because they cannot be “converted.” When that is not enough (and it is never enough), they are jailed, sent to forced labor camps, starved, shot, flayed, buried alive, tortured, dismembered and killed in whatever novel and despicable ways the communists can come up with to silence dissent and usher in utopia.

These practices are not the exception. They are the rule. In the pantheon of the Unholy Church of Communism, the patron saints are Vladimir Lenin, Josef Stalin, Mao Zedong, Kim Jong Il, Fidel Castro, Pol Pot. Millions of people have suffered and died at the hands of these butchers – initially hailed as redeemers, visionaries, and liberators but who turned out to be nothing more than elitist bastards cloaked in the guise of “social equality” who thought they knew what was best for everyone else.

Communism has failed everywhere it has been tried. We have nearly 100 years and 100 million corpses as proof. The only people who believe otherwise are certain American liberals – because they are the most ignorant people on the planet, and because they have never had to live under it.

But never have the communists felt closer to achieving their goal than they are now. Make no mistake, they are waiting behind Barack Obama, panting and slavering at the prospect of taking over every branch of government, systematically dismantling the economic system that has provided our country with unprecedented prosperity and dissolving the procedural protections that have insulated us from the oppression, starvation, despair, and death that has accompanied communism and every other form of tyranny.

Americans seem ready to hand over their lives and livelihoods to this bloviating neophyte with associations so unsavory they should render his candidacy a joke. It would be inscrutable even if there were not so much precedent. We’ve all heard people exclaim, when examining incident after historical incident of genocide, or government oppression, “How could that have happened?” In the same breath, they assure themselves that it couldn’t happen here because, “America is different.”

This is breathtakingly ignorant, and it is a dangerous falsehood. There is NOTHING exceptional about Americans as human beings. We are subject to same whims, caprices, fears and lusts for power as every other human beings.

What is exceptional is our economic and political system. If we dismantle the very procedural protections that were put into place to protect us from tyranny (by people who had lived with tyranny and knew it well), then tyranny is what we will get.

And we are being lured into the same noose that has ensnared so many millions of hapless souls, despite reams of pages of history. We express horror at the Hitler Youth in little matching uniforms singing “Hitler will save us, Hitler is our Lord,” but then we smile and laugh as we see grade schoolers in matching blue t-shirts singing, “Obama’s gonna save us.” We are outraged by the army of children in Sudan, but think nothing of American black boys in camouflage pumping their fists and chanting propaganda from Obama’s campaign. We are repulsed by some dictators’ claims that they are gods, but shrug it off as insignificant when Louis Farrakhan – a vicious anti-semite, among other reprehensible things – says “the Messiah is speaking” in a speech referring to Obama.

Still don’t think it can happen here? Well, you’re in good company. Neither did the Russians. Or the Germans. Or the Chinese. Or the North Koreans. Or the Vietnamese. Or the Cubans. Or the Cambodians.

Critics will call this alarmist fear-mongering. So be it. Don’t say you haven’t been warned.

[Lovecraftian4Paul]

I think everyone here agrees Obama is a Marxist of some sort. However, I still wouldn't vote for McCain even if Obama were Joe Stalin's grandson.

[nodope0695]

think everyone here agrees Obama is a Marxist of some sort. However, I still wouldn't vote for McCain even if Obama were Joe Stalin's grandson.

Ditto.

[Kotin]

preaching to the choir.

[bj72]

I think everyone here agrees Obama is a Marxist of some sort. However, I still wouldn't vote for McCain even if Obama were Joe Stalin's grandson.

Agreed.

McCain *might* be slightly better and take slightly longer to destroy this country, but the end result will be similar. Loss of freedoms, further erosion of our Constitution.

It's a lose-lose scenario for freedom this voting season. I'll be voting third party, which as a home-educator who believes Obama will fast-track squashing our freedom to do so faster than McCain....was a tough decision. However, I do not want to "pick my poison" or chose the "lesser of two evils", I want to vote for someone who isn't a socialist, communist, or fascist.

[EndTheFed]

Agreed.

McCain *might* be slightly better and take slightly longer to destroy this country, but the end result will be similar. Loss of freedoms, further erosion of our Constitution.

It's a lose-lose scenario for freedom this voting season. I'll be voting third party, which as a home-educator who believes Obama will fast-track squashing our freedom to do so faster than McCain....was a tough decision. However, I do not want to "pick my poison" or chose the "lesser of two evils", I want to vote for someone who isn't a socialist, communist, or fascist.

Hey tones...

Agree with you completely... McCain could be a stop gap a placeholder until RP movement can gain some ground...

[Grimnir Wotansvolk]

Hey tones...

Agree with you completely... McCain could be a stop gap a placeholder until RP movement can gain some ground...Have a little common sense. The GOP will feel even less need to worry about us when they see success in the neocon establishment.

And tones, since you seem to enjoy throwing the words "communist" and "socialist" around like it's 1953, here's another one for you: neocon shill. GRIM

[EndTheFed]

Have a little common sense. The GOP will feel even less need to worry about us when they see success in the neocon establishment.

Use your brain.... its not all about "US" your liberty is at stake... Your freedom to reform it is too.

[Lovecraftian4Paul]

Use your brain.... its not all about "US" your liberty is at stake... Your freedom to reform it is too.

Sorry, Bush has almost finished off liberty and freedom to reform. McCain or Obama will be more than happy to provide the death blow, if allowed. There's zero difference between the two parties and their fail candidates anymore.

[tonesforjonesbones]

endthefed...RON PAUL HAS SPOKEN! Therefore...ya can't have freedom of rational thought. I'm sorry...I blame Ron Paul for pushing these kids to do exactly the WRONG THING. I love his message...but splitting the movement so Obama the communist and the communist party can take over all branches of the government with no checks and balances..makes me go HMMMMM. SOMEBODY is and has been giving Ron Paul bad advice...he needs to GET rid of em. This movement will DIE a death under Barak Obama...because he and his communist party will have 4-8 years to reform this government to block it. I agree with you...John McCain slows things down and gives us a little more time to organize. I am VERY distressed about the advice coming form C$L. I will continue to speak out to these kids untill I'm banned. I hope it doesn't happen..but I have the movements BEST interests at heart here...we MUST stop the Communist train NOW! TONES

[Kacey]

"Always vote for principle, though you may vote alone, and you may cherish the sweetest reflection that your vote is never lost."

- John Quincy Adams


I will NOT vote for McCain, sorry but I have to stand by my believes no matter what.

[brandon]

McCain sings songs about bombing Iran.

[EndTheFed]

endthefed...RON PAUL HAS SPOKEN! Therefore...ya can't have freedom of rational thought. I'm sorry...I blame Ron Paul for pushing these kids to do exactly the WRONG THING. I love his message...but splitting the movement so Obama the communist and the communist party can take over all branches of the government with no checks and balances..makes me go HMMMMM. SOMEBODY is and has been giving Ron Paul bad advice...he needs to GET rid of em. This movement will DIE a death under Barak Obama...because he and his communist party will have 4-8 years to reform this government to block it. I agree with you...John McCain slows things down and gives us a little more time to organize. I am VERY distressed about the advice coming form C$L. I will continue to speak out to these kids untill I'm banned. I hope it doesn't happen..but I have the movements BEST interests at heart here...we MUST stop the Communist train NOW! TONES

Yea... me too. I wondered if it was mostly "kids" that we were talking too also..

They really don't seem to have a lot of life experiance... they seem very exuberant but not very wise...

[EndTheFed]

McCain sings songs about bombing Iran.

It was a JOKE...

Get down off your cross... use the wood to build a bridge (to nowhere) and get the fuck over it...

[Kacey]

Yea... me too. I wondered if it was mostly "kids" that we were talking too also..

They really don't seem to have a lot of life experiance... they seem very exuberant but not very wise...

Haha I'm sorry but because I refuse to agree with you I am a kid?

look I don't care how you go and vote, go vote McCain, but don't sit and pander over and over and over to convince us others to go against what we believe.

I don't mean this as an attack, we need to keep is civil here.

[EndTheFed]

Haha I'm sorry but because I refuse to agree with you I am a kid?

look I don't care how you go and vote, go vote McCain, but don't sit and pander over and over and over to convince us others to go against what we believe.

I don't mean this as an attack, we need to keep is civil here.

I appreciate the civility... I very much agree.

If you had/have seen the vitrial and the stuff that has been flung at me and I assume tones, you would understand my comments..

It is not meant to impune all here and if someone has a legitiment, intellegent thoughtful, and respectful disagreement then that is fine, but this crap that get thrown at me (Troll, republican shill, get the fuck out...) is bs and childish.

[tonesforjonesbones]

Look...I care about you..I care about the Liberty movement and I care about keeping our republic and our constitution..I am NOT the enemy. I believe Ron Paul's message is the BEST..look how many others also believe it! If we are split up all over the place voting for many different candidates how does this solidify the movement? I am trying to post important things that might hurt the movement.,,,like a communist president, cabinet and congress. No checks and balances. Please don't shoot the messenger. If you don't want to admit on this forum that you want to vote for McCain ..then dont! I can take the heat. I'm trying to save our Liberty movement here...and McCain will SLOW DOWN THE PROCESS of stealing the rest of our liberty until we can gain more ground. This movement doesn't have the numbers yet to make a real impact! PLEASE THINK! TONES

[Kacey]

I agree that there are some people here who forget that we stand by the message more then the man, I think that is why we have seen Ron take a bit of a back seat right now. He has recognized this and is trying to stop it. As far as people voting for different party's/people I think this is fine, we all knew that this movement wouldn't take off over night, and think of how long some people have been trying to push it. We are still in the educational portion of the movement.

Our job is to awaken as many people as we can, teach, and lead by example. Now does this mean you have to vote for a certain person? No, we should vote anyway we feel. So long as we don't go against our princables. If your reason to vote for McCain is to slow a socialist agenda then thats fine, and is very commendable.

But let me state it again, no matter what happens in this years election remember we have four years to wake people, look at what Ron and his campaign did in two years. Also remember that our focus is much more then the president, its congress, and local government.

For me why I will not vote McCain is that the argument is the same as it was when bush ran the second time, vote for him because Kerry will be much worse. I can't do that again.

Also I don't think that you are a republican shill or any other such nonsense I have seen both of you post before and I think that it is obvious that you are not.

[EndTheFed]

I agree that there are some people here who forget that we stand by the message more then the man, I think that is why we have seen Ron take a bit of a back seat right now. He has recognized this and is trying to stop it. As far as people voting for different party's/people I think this is fine, we all knew that this movement wouldn't take off over night, and think of how long some people have been trying to push it. We are still in the educational portion of the movement.

Our job is to awaken as many people as we can, teach, and lead by example. Now does this mean you have to vote for a certain person? No, we should vote anyway we feel. So long as we don't go against our princables. If your reason to vote for McCain is to slow a socialist agenda then thats fine, and is very commendable.

But let me state it again, no matter what happens in this years election remember we have four years to wake people, look at what Ron and his campaign did in two years. Also remember that our focus is much more then the president, its congress, and local government.

For me why I will not vote McCain is that the argument is the same as it was when bush ran the second time, vote for him because Kerry will be much worse. I can't do that again.

Also I don't think that you are a republican shill or any other such nonsense I have seen both of you post before and I think that it is obvious that you are not.


Thank you...

I agree with his post completely... OK there are 3 of us that understand this..

Now lets win the rest.... :)

[tonesforjonesbones]

It's all about changing hearts and minds. I like G Edward Griffin's Freedom Force idea. Infiltrate existing organizations, stay away from collectivism , in other words dont' group up..spread OUT (you know like an infantry squad..so the enemy can't infiltrate and kill the whole squad with one bomb) and work individually to change hearts and minds. It's a great concept. One bomb can collectively destroy the whole group....please be mindful of this. tones

[tonesforjonesbones]

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[EndTheFed]

It's all about changing hearts and minds. I like G Edward Griffin's Freedom Force idea. Infiltrate existing organizations, stay away from collectivism , in other words dont' group up..spread OUT (you know like an infantry squad..so the enemy can't infiltrate and kill the whole squad with one bomb) and work individually to change hearts and minds. It's a great concept. One bomb can collectively destroy the whole group....please be mindful of this. tones



Can 3 be a collective... hehe just kidding you are correct..

[tonesforjonesbones]

oh well...of course collectively we have a concept..an idea and an agenda...just don't go in groups to accomplish the mission...spread OUT and keep your groups away from "top down" type configuration...tones

[richiep]

What's crazy about this is that you can't even convince a big minority of people how bad McSame is, so you are worried about how our freedom to organize will be in jeopardy? We should lose it - and yes, I'm serious!!!

Maybe we need to lose it completely for enough people to wake up. Perhaps then and only then we can overthrow what needs to be overthrown. As we all know, its been done before. On the other hand, if McSame wins, all we will have is more of us frustrated as to why we have had more decay of freedoms, while the masses are still not getting it, and in fours years we'll have the masses looking at the two "major" party asses again!

Bottom line is, if McSame wins we will be in worse shape in 4 years.

[EndTheFed]

What's crazy about this is that you can't even convince a big minority of people how bad McSame is, so you are worried about how our freedom to organize will be in jeopardy? We should lose it - and yes, I'm serious!!!

Maybe we need to lose it completely for enough people to wake up. Perhaps then and only then we can overthrow what needs to be overthrown. As we all know, its been done before. On the other hand, if McSame wins, all we will have is more of us frustrated as to why we have had more decay of freedoms, while the masses are still not getting it, and in fours years we'll have the masses looking at the two "major" party asses again!

Bottom line is, if McSame wins we will be in worse shape in 4 years.

Stupid reasoning...

[Kotin]

It was a JOKE...

Get down off your cross... use the wood to build a bridge (to nowhere) and get the fuck over it...

a joke about killing people is not a joke.

[Dieseler]

I'm with ya Tones and End. McCain not for the win for Gods sake.
But for the save.
Nobama for me and no wasted third party vote that will essentially put Obama in power.
Its time to punt.

[Doktor_Jeep]

Ron Paul would have beaten Obama.

But the plutocrats who control both parties know that. What they intend is for people to be fooled by Obama just as they were fooled by Bush. Thinking all is well, one big party. The other side gets to ride the country into the ground.

Oh well. At least we get to make fun of all those assholes at the conventions who fought us.

I suspect the republican party will be replaced.

[devil21]

Obama = Socialist
McCain = Fascist

Six in one hand, half dozen in the other. What's the difference?

[tonesforjonesbones]

AMEN Diesler! way to go! tones

[devil21]

So what's the difference TONES?

[tonesforjonesbones]

Checks and balances are at stake. tones

[Highland]

Tones...please don't blame Ron Paul for running and people voting McCain to be the nominee. McCain is the idiot, not Dr. Paul...he ran so we can all know the truth. You, "My Friend" are a neocon. time to post on the McCain Forum of ideas. if there is one.

[tonesforjonesbones]

No I love Ron Paul. We just don't have the numbers yet to make an impact...I pray McCain gets in because we will have a much better chance in 2012...if Obama gets in...you can forget it ever happening..not in this country anyway. tones

[Highland]

I got one word for you...blowback.....

[tonesforjonesbones]

What do you mean blowback? If Obama gets in...he'll take your guns. He's a real communist...no chit ..it will be ovah. tones

[Highland]

Tones, you really need to think ebb and flow.

[tonesforjonesbones]

Ebb and flow? AT a time like this? tonez

[Highland]

look...you cannot move the world....sometimes you just have to trust that God knows our hearts, fears and is in control. Really, at this point, regardless, there will be balance. I felt the same way 8 years ago with Bush....kicking and screaming...saw what he truly was...and anyway, now I understand that partially you are right in that our numbers aren't right. So, ebb and flow till God brings more to the movement....and them Whammo! Enlightenment!

[tonesforjonesbones]

I am an old crone...I don't have a lot of time left. This is a serious emergency for me...I have grandchildren and I dont' want them to live in some south african squalor. tones

[Highland]

I am an old crone...I don't have a lot of time left. This is a serious emergency for me...I have grandchildren and I dont' want them to live in some south african squalor. tones

they won't....this helps me a lot when I find myself up a tree.

Happy moments, PRAISE GOD.
Difficult moments, SEEK GOD.
Quiet moments, WORSHIP GOD.
Painful moments, TRUST GOD.
Every moment, THANK GOD.

...I think this would qualify with the painful moment section...

take care.

[tonesforjonesbones]

Well I thank you for that Highland. tones

PALIN/BALDWIN 2012

[Highland]

Well I thank you for that Highland. tones

PALIN/BALDWIN 2012

no problem....really, we are all are just waiting for the kingdom to move in...right!:D

[Highland]

Well I thank you for that Highland. tones

PALIN/BALDWIN 2012

also...thanks for inspiring me to change my signature too.:)

[tonesforjonesbones]

Yes. That's the bottom line. I guess it is prophecy. Might as well just hand it to GOD. I will look forward to seeing your signature often. Tones

PALIN/BALDWIN 2012

[Highland]

Yes. That's the bottom line. I guess it is prophecy. Might as well just hand it to GOD. I will look forward to seeing your signature often. Tones

PALIN/BALDWIN 2012

Great!

[tonesforjonesbones]

:):D

[richiep]

Stupid reasoning...

Its only stupid to you cause you disagree with it. They can fool you with the, "but we can't let the other guy win" fear play, I've seen it used in 2004 2000 1996 1992 and so on. But the bottom line will always be the same... they are FOOLING you with that line, and if you fall for it, you are a fool, as non-fools don't fall for it.

I am proud to say I have never voted for a President that won, and I'm almost 50. But at least I keep trying to change things, and refuse to be part of the problem.

[RonPaulR3VOLUTION]

"The last thing we need is another liberal neocon in the White House. If the Presidency of George W. Bush proved anything, it proved the hazard of electing phony Republican conservatives. At least one is able to clearly see a liberal for what he or she is when they have a 'D' behind their name. But put an 'R' behind the name and suddenly their liberal, Big-Government, anti-freedom agenda is barely recognized, which makes a liberal Republican much more dangerous than a liberal Democrat." --Chuck Baldwin

[tonesforjonesbones]

LOL this coming from Baldwin who was a republican until he joined the Constitution Party because he wanted to run for president. Give me a break. tones

[ClockwiseSpark]

LOL this coming from Baldwin who was a republican until he joined the Constitution Party because he wanted to run for president. Give me a break. tones

You know, if you want to convince people you might want to try being honest. Not that I think you'll have much luck. So far all you've done is piss people off. I wonder how many votes you've won for Obama with all your ranting.


In 1980 and 1984, Baldwin worked in the Florida Moral Majority to carry the state for the Reagan-Bush electors. He claims to have played a major part in the registration of some fifty thousand Christian conservative voters. In 2000, however, he vacated the Republican Party on grounds that the Bush-Cheney ticket was too liberal. Baldwin considers Bush roughly equivalent to national Democrats, and has referred to Bush as "an American Fuhrer in the minds of evangelicals"

[Lovecraftian4Paul]

A McCain vote is just about as valuable even a pragmatic level as a third party one these days. He's down and slipping every week. He can't win. Even if McCain were a lesser evil, why waste your vote on some guy who's going to lose and walk away with a sick feeling for voting for the evil garbage he represents? At least with a third party candidate I know they won't win, but I will be able to feel alright walking away from the polls.

[jdmyprez_deo_vindice]

They are both going to destroy what is left of our country so who really cares? I will vote third party so I can at least tell my children and grand children that I had NOTHING to do with the destruction of a once glorious nation.

[tonesforjonesbones]

If someone votes for Obama because of things I say...well gee..not so smart are they? I am merely passing on information that I get. tones

[ClockwiseSpark]

If someone votes for Obama because of things I say...well gee..not so smart are they? I am merely passing on information that I get. tones

No comments on misrepresenting the facts, you know lying? :rolleyes:

You're just a typical McCain shill. The ends justify the means right?

[tonesforjonesbones]

What lies? Obama is tied to Bill Ayers..a known Communist Party member. Look...if ya'll want to isolate me and make me the enemy fine. Tones

[ClockwiseSpark]

What lies?


"The last thing we need is another liberal neocon in the White House. If the Presidency of George W. Bush proved anything, it proved the hazard of electing phony Republican conservatives. At least one is able to clearly see a liberal for what he or she is when they have a 'D' behind their name. But put an 'R' behind the name and suddenly their liberal, Big-Government, anti-freedom agenda is barely recognized, which makes a liberal Republican much more dangerous than a liberal Democrat." --Chuck Baldwin


LOL this coming from Baldwin who was a republican until he joined the Constitution Party because he wanted to run for president. Give me a break. tones


In 1980 and 1984, Baldwin worked in the Florida Moral Majority to carry the state for the Reagan-Bush electors. He claims to have played a major part in the registration of some fifty thousand Christian conservative voters. In 2000, however, he vacated the Republican Party on grounds that the Bush-Cheney ticket was too liberal. Baldwin considers Bush roughly equivalent to national Democrats, and has referred to Bush as "an American Fuhrer in the minds of evangelicals"

You accept facts only if they support your position. If they don't you just make something up to alter them, as you've done here.

Here's something for you to consider since you've said you're doing this for your grandchildren.

Less than 1% of our population is in the military which is already stretched thin with the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. McCain will commit us to more wars as will Obama, they have both said as much. When we go to war with Pakistan, Russia, and Iran do you really think the military forces we have now will be sufficient to engage in all those countries?

[D.H.]

PALIN/BALDWIN 2012

This will never happen. Baldwin doesn't LIKE Palin. He doesn't like her for the same reasons I don't which is very encouraging to me. He is not letting a common religion blind him into supporting a candidate whose views he finds "troubling" at best.

(excerpt)
Only one time during Sarah Palin's interview with Charles Gibson did she refer to the U.S. Constitution, constitutional government, or her responsibility as Vice President to preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution of the United States. This is very troubling. Can it be that Sarah Palin is simply another politician who is ignorant and unconcerned regarding constitutional government? If so, the fact that she is a social conservative would make this dereliction no less egregious

He is NOT giving her a pass because they have "some" things in common. Kudos to Baldwin for being honest.

http://www.newswithviews.com/baldwin/baldwin467.htm

[D.H.]

What lies? Obama is tied to Bill Ayers..a known Communist Party member. Look...if ya'll want to isolate me and make me the enemy fine. Tones

I am not and I appreciate though we have different views you have not directly attacked me. However, I have noticed in the past though whenever Palin's name was brought up negatively you would say "it's those liberal loons again...they are overtaking the forum"

I think what is happening is that you are getting too worked up by the media/talking points which is not good for you. JMO. I notice you don't say as much about Palin anymore. Maybe because the media is not talking about her as much because she is so five weeks ago.

Now it seems like you went from liberal loons, to talking about socialists, now graduating to communists taking over when there are opposing views. It's almost like an hysteria at this point. (I am not saying this to be offensive)

[brandon]

If someone votes for McCain because of things I say...well gee..not so smart are they? I am merely passing on information that I get. tones

Agreed

[libertarian4321]

I appreciate the civility... I very much agree.

If you had/have seen the vitrial and the stuff that has been flung at me and I assume tones, you would understand my comments..

It is not meant to impune all here and if someone has a legitiment, intellegent thoughtful, and respectful disagreement then that is fine, but this crap that get thrown at me (Troll, republican shill, get the fuck out...) is bs and childish.

I told you, if you started shilling for McCain again, I was going to send $25 to Obama's campaign. I wasn't kidding.

Keep shilling for McCain- Obama needs the money for the final push:



Thank you for your generous donation of $25.00.

From the beginning, this campaign has been funded by supporters like you giving only what they can afford.

More than 1.7 million individual donors have stepped up to own a piece of this campaign -- which means Barack is not beholden to anyone but the American people.

Thank you for building this movement for change,

Obama for America

[libertarian4321]

If someone votes for Obama because of things I say...well gee..not so smart are they? I am merely passing on information that I get. tones

I'm going to make the same deal with you that I made with your fellow McCain troll, EndtheFed.

Every time I see you promoting McCain, I'm going to send $25 to Obama's campaign.

So, if you want to help Obama raise money, keep shilling for McCain...

[kombayn]

The Yuppies don't get it, even Ron Paul has stated numerous times he's going to vote for Chuck Baldwin and not John McCain. I don't understand them, to me it makes them look like Anti-Obama more then Pro-Paul.

[devil21]

The Yuppies don't get it, even Ron Paul has stated numerous times he's going to vote for Chuck Baldwin and not John McCain. I don't understand them, to me it makes them look like Anti-Obama more then Pro-Paul.

They never were Paul supporters. I thought that was pretty obvious. :confused:

Many of the shills on this forum show up with "pro-Paul" names but not "pro-Paul" agendas. If the name looks like its trying a little too hard to look like a Paul supporter, then it's very likely not a Paul supporter.

[Dieseler]

I told you, if you started shilling for McCain again, I was going to send $25 to Obama's campaign. I wasn't kidding.

Keep shilling for McCain- Obama needs the money for the final push:

I believe the Commie has more than enough money as it is but just for the Hell of it.
Put your money where your mouth is.

Mccain/Palin 08!

[angelatc]

Voting for McCain or Obama is the waste of a vote. McCain doesn't have a chance and Obama doesn't need any more votes.

I am voting third party because McCain is a POS who doesn't deserve my vote.

[FindLiberty]

voting for mccain or obama is the waste of a vote. Mccain doesn't have a chance and obama doesn't need any more votes.

I am voting third party because mccain is a pos who doesn't deserve my vote.

qft - thank you!

[tonesforjonesbones]

You damn right I am anti Obama...Liberty..go ahead and waste your money..that's no skin off my back. I am MORE anti Obama than I am pro McCAin. If you cant see that ..then you are just daft. Go ahead and allow Obama to win and kiss your free markets goodbye because that will be gone with the wind. I am definately a Liberty lover...all the more reason to BLOCK Obama because the guy is a communist. I want the movement to have a chance to build and make a better showing in 2012, not be dead in the water. Tones

[Dieseler]

Hey man...Where that welfare redistribution check?
Lmfao...
Barack said we gonna get a check!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n_Q79Pm2iiU

It's peanut butter jelly time, peanut butter jelly time, peanut butter jelly time

(Chorus:)
Where he at
Where he at
Where he at
Where he at
There he go
There he go
There he go
There he go
Peanut butter jelly
Peanut butter jelly
Peanut butter jelly
Peanut butter jelly
Do the peanut butter jelly, peanut butter jelly,
Peanut butter jelly with a baseball bat
Peanut butter jelly with a baseball bat

[Pete]

Speaking of God, I'm going to vote my conscience and trust Him for a good outcome.

If McCain wins, it will be with less of a mandate and the CP has another election cycle to figure itself out.

If Obama wins, then maybe a candy overdose is just the thing for childish American voters. Besides, conservatives can win the House back in 2010 and restore some order.