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itsthepathocrats
10-16-2008, 05:10 PM
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constituent
10-16-2008, 05:14 PM
The most trenchant distinction made by Ellul is between agitation propaganda and integration propaganda. The former leads men from mere restatement to rebellion; the latter aims at making them adjust themselves to desired patterns. The two types rely on entirely different means.

Hadn't bumped into you before so lemme say:

Man, I'm glad you're here.

Another important angle is of course propaganda as actions (or actions as propaganda) rather than propaganda on paper (film, etc.)

When the campaign first started i was "agitating" hard core for real-life integration propaganda which (much to my surprise) took off.


So much could be learned from those early days.

itsthepathocrats
10-16-2008, 06:16 PM
Hadn't bumped into you before so lemme say:

Man, I'm glad you're here.

If you're in to this stuff, then check out threads here (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?p=1758285) and here (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?p=1760848) as well.

constituent
10-16-2008, 06:20 PM
If you're in to this stuff

very much so, yes.



check out threads here (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?p=1758285) and here (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?p=1760848) as well.

missed those too, thanks!

Conza88
10-16-2008, 07:32 PM
A second basic misconception that makes people vulnerable to propaganda is the notion that it serves only to change opinions. That is one of its aims, but a limited, subordinate one. Much more importantly, it aims to intensify existing trends, to sharpen and focus them, and, above all, to lead men to action (or, when it is directed at immovable opponents, to non-action through terror or discouragement, to prevent them from interfering). Therefore Ellul distinguishes various forms of propaganda and calls his book Propagandes -- that plural is one of the keys to his concept. The most trenchant distinction made by Ellul is between agitation propaganda and integration propaganda. The former leads men from mere restatement to rebellion; the latter aims at making them adjust themselves to desired patterns. The two types rely on entirely different means. Both exist all over the world. Integration propaganda is needed especially for the technological society to flourish, and its technological means -- mass media among them -- in turn make such integration propaganda possible.

--Konrad Kellen, Introduction to Propaganda, 1965

That is very, very good. Wrote in 1965? :o And any new works on this stuff? This reminds me of Addendum, case & point. :)

I'm tempted to inform myself in this area; you guys got any great resources available?

EPIC1934
10-17-2008, 02:39 PM
I would strongly recommend this video and the books of Chrisotopher Simpson, prof of Communications at American University. He is featured in this video, and his book The Science of Coercion is an incredibly incisive and concise overview about the origins of CIA involvement in the US media.

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=MSOOK3tocTk

This video is about Project Paperclip and MK ULtra, the latter being the famous "Manchurian Candidate" program.

itsthepathocrats
10-17-2008, 03:10 PM
I'm tempted to inform myself in this area; you guys got any great resources available?

Please read these threads:



Is this REALLY confessions of a CIA agent? (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=162708)
We Must Avoid the Mistake of Thinking that We are Free (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?p=1760848)

There is a ton of reading material, but I'd highly recommend starting with Ellul. He's a tough read, but there is no tin-foil and he was well read by the elite technocracy, so you know your getting material that was influential:



The Technological Society (http://www.amazon.com/Technological-Society-Jacques-Ellul/dp/0394703901)
Propaganda, The formation of Men's Attitudes (http://www.amazon.com/Propaganda-Formation-Attitudes-Jacques-Ellul/dp/0394718747/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1223920124&sr=1-1)
Technological Bluff (http://www.amazon.com/Technological-Bluff-Jacques-Ellul/dp/080283678X/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1223944984&sr=8-3)

InterestedParticipant
08-11-2009, 07:39 PM
http://circleof13.blogspot.com/2008/02/jacques-ellul-on-propaganda.html


Jacques Ellul's view of propaganda and his approach to the study of propaganda are new. The principal difference between his thought edifice and most other literature on propaganda is that Ellul regards propaganda as a sociological phenomenon rather than as something made by certain people for certain purposes. Propaganda exists and thrives; it is the Siamese twin of our technological society. Only in the technological society can there be anything of the type and order of magniture of modern propaganda, which is with us forever; and only with the all-pervading effects that flow from propagada can technological society hold itself together.

Most people are easy prey for propaganda, Ellul says, because of their firm but entirely erroneous conviction that it is composed only of lies and "tall stories" and that, conversely, what is true cannot be propaganda. But modern propaganda has long disdained the ridiculous lies of past and outmoded forms of propaganda. it operates instead with many different kinds of truth -- half truth, limited truth, truth out of context. Even Goebbels always insisted that the Wehrmacht communiques be as accurate as possible.


A second basic misconception that makes people vulnerable to propaganda is the notion that it serves only to change opinions. That is one of its aims, but a limited, subordinate one. Much more importantly, it aims to intensify existing trends, to sharpen and focus them, and, above all, to lead men to action (or, when it is directed at immovable opponents, to non-action through terror or discouragement, to prevent them from interfering). Therefore Ellul distinguishes various forms of propaganda and calls his book Propagandes -- that plural is one of the keys to his concept. The most trenchant distinction made by Ellul is between agitation propaganda and integration propaganda. The former leads men from mere restatement to rebellion; the latter aims at making them adjust themselves to desired patterns. The two types rely on entirely different means. Both exist all over the world. Integration propaganda is needed especially for the technological society to flourish, and its technological means -- mass media among them -- in turn make such integration propaganda possible.

--Konrad Kellen, Introduction to Propaganda, 1965