"Joe the Plumber" lacks license, oh and name is Sam!

[jcarcinogen]

lol.

http://www.reuters.com/article/vcCandidateFeed2/idUSN1639355520081016
http://digg.com/2008_us_elections/Joe_the_Plumber_lacks_license_oh_and_name_is_Sam

[CurtisLow]

I thought his name was Fred? Fred the fireman lol

[RonPaulMania]

We find this funny on a board that decries over-regulation? The joke is on you guys.

[forsmant]

All the plumber does is make sure the water flows down and out.

[berrybunches]

His state does not require a license

[forsmant]

Thank goodness. Plumbing is easy anyway. Well the actual assembly part anyway.

[TruckinMike]

Those men wanna be's - that called themselves "real" plumbers need to quit their posh union jobs and go out and start their own businesses. Of course they will vote for Obamma -- he plans on giving them gifts -- via law and regulation on the backs of the poor small businessman.

Note: to all union plumbers and pipefitters - quit your jobs today, start a business and create a few jobs of your own. I DARE YOU!...Oh thats right, the union said they won't keep paying you $36 an hour if you do that.

TMike

[nate895]

Those men wanna be's - that called themselves "real" plumbers need to quit their posh union jobs and go out and start their own businesses. Of course they will vote for Obamma -- he plans on giving them gifts -- via law and regulation on the backs of the poor small businessman.

Note: to all union plumbers and pipefitters - quit your jobs today, start a business and create a few jobs of your own. I DARE YOU!...Oh thats right, the union said they won't keep paying you $36 an hour if you do that.

TMike

I seriously don't understand why plumbers don't just all go out and start their own business, it would make them a lot more cash, and it is a job that always needs to be done.

Hmm...$36/hour as a union worker (puke) or $100,000/year as your own business? Wonder which one I'd pick. Of course, I don't intend on being a plumber.

[RonPaulFanInGA]

Why the hell is there even a plumbing license?

Why does the government have to license EVERYTHING?

[EndTheFed]

lol.

http://www.reuters.com/article/vcCandidateFeed2/idUSN1639355520081016
http://digg.com/2008_us_elections/Joe_the_Plumber_lacks_license_oh_and_name_is_Sam

His middle name is Joe

This is a stupid fucking argument... You are missing the entire point of Joe The Plumber

[jcarcinogen]

I get the point. He was being used by McCain as a soundbite to act like he cares about taxes while he gives AIG, Bears/Stearns, Paulson over $1 trillion and supports an even more expensive Empire taking much more from "Joe the Plumber". He is just as fake and harmful as the guy who sat next to the Cardinal last night with him (Obama) while they drank campaign and mocked the American people.

[EndTheFed]

I get the point. He was being used by McCain as a soundbite to act like he cares about taxes while he gives AIG, Bears/Stearns, Paulson over $1 trillion and supports an even more expensive Empire taking much more from "Joe the Plumber". He is just as fake and harmful as the guy who sat next to the Cardinal last night with him (Obama) while they drank campaign and mocked the American people.

So tell me how did the mccain damp get obama camp to go to "joes" neighborhood aand how did joe get obama to say spread it around? ehh?

[jcarcinogen]

Both make fun of Joe and us:
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showpost.php?p=1768953&postcount=1

[EndTheFed]

Both make fun of Joe and us:
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showpost.php?p=1768953&postcount=1


And? what does this have to do with ANYTHING...

[jcarcinogen]

And? what does this have to do with ANYTHING...

You said I missed "the point", I say you're missing it.

[EndTheFed]

You said I missed "the point", I say you're missing it.

Seems that is a pretty stupid point...

[MoneyWhereMyMouthIs2]

So tell me how did the mccain damp get obama camp to go to "joes" neighborhood aand how did joe get obama to say spread it around? ehh?

Actually... the real question is why was the media talking about it?

Media ignores it when these guys are rude to medical mj patients.

You can find politicians being asses every day, all over the country. Had this been Paul, they probably would have filmed Charles Mansion praising him. There's no shortage of plants asking stupid questions in a campaign like this, I'm sure. And we all know it's not correct to act like a $250,000 per year earner is the everyday american. Not that anyone should be stolen from, but I'm saying there's about 100 things wrong with this.

[angelatc]

His state does not require a license

His name is Samuel Joseph, and he goes by Joe. Ohio law says that you have to work under a licensed master plumber for 5 years as a journeyman before you can get a plumbers license. He has had a journeyman's license for just slightly less than 5 years.

States license plumbers to make sure the people that build your house know how to keep raw sewage and sewage gas from backing up into your home. The feds don't license plumbers yet, so it is a states rights issue.

He's not a fake. He's just a guy. Pleas go back to talking about 9/11. It makes you look smart.

[werdd]

Why does he need a license?

[freelance]

I get the point. He was being used by McCain as a soundbite to act like he cares about taxes while he gives AIG, Bears/Stearns, Paulson over $1 trillion and supports an even more expensive Empire taking much more from "Joe the Plumber". He is just as fake and harmful as the guy who sat next to the Cardinal last night with him (Obama) while they drank campaign and mocked the American people.

Very nicely said.

And what about this? INTERVENTION????

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DBAsHTSbkXs

[jcarcinogen]

Very nicely said.

And what about this? INTERVENTION????

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DBAsHTSbkXs

Odd, I remember him mistating that but it didn't really register. Not evident of anything but it adds to the "heap" so to speak.


His name is Samuel Joseph, and he goes by Joe. Ohio law says that you have to work under a licensed master plumber for 5 years as a journeyman before you can get a plumbers license. He has had a journeyman's license for just slightly less than 5 years.

States license plumbers to make sure the people that build your house know how to keep raw sewage and sewage gas from backing up into your home. The feds don't license plumbers yet, so it is a states rights issue.

He's not a fake. He's just a guy. Pleas go back to talking about 9/11. It makes you look smart.


I don't care about the abstract "Joe the Plumber" or if his name is really Sam... I posted this with not liking the fact that we are even talking about JOE. He is being used by McCain as a political distraction to make it seem like Obama is the only socialist in the 2 man race.

Just to weigh in on the license... water and human waste has to flow away from the house safely without infringing on other's property rights. The most efficient way for cities is to have the government set up the main infrastructure like water towers that supply the water, the drainage system that keeps water and sewage flowing out of the neighborhoods, and the processing and disposal of human waste. Since plumbers are not employed by the city that owns the infrastructure, I understand why it would be required to license a plumber to make sure that they adhere to compatibility specifications and are competent so that they do not damage the larger sewage system.

[BarryDonegan]

plumbers shouldn't have to be licensed

[ScotTX]

Joe is also related to Charles Keating of the infamous Keating Five!

http://crooksandliars.com/david-neiwert/joe-plumber-more-joe-keating-family-

[bojo68]

Just wanna put in that ANYTHING the govt licenses, some of us REFUSE to do, take part in, whatever. According to the logic of some, that means we're not any good at some particular activity, when in fact often we're the best available. There are a LOT of licenses I could get/have had, no more. So, if ya want a good guy, you might find a better guy that's NOT licensed.

[Lucille]

lol.

http://www.reuters.com/article/vcCandidateFeed2/idUSN1639355520081016
http://digg.com/2008_us_elections/Joe_the_Plumber_lacks_license_oh_and_name_is_Sam

License? We ain't got no license. We don't need no license! I don't have to show you any stinkin' license!

[Join The Paul Side]

I'm sick of hearing about Joe the Plummer. :(

[angelatc]

You people are embarassing.

Everything the media is telling you is lies and you're lapping it right up.

He is almost through the mandatory 5 year apprenticeship under a master plumber. He isn't related to Keating.

He got Obama to go on the record with income redistribution.

But the media won't talk about that. It's much more effective to assinate the character of anybody who dares question The One.

"You ask a kvestion? Vee need your paperz, pleeeze."

[Unspun]

He got Obama to go on the record with income redistribution.

But the media won't talk about that. It's much more effective to assinate the character of anybody who dares question The One.

Thank you. My thoughts exactly.

[forsmant]

I seriously don't understand why plumbers don't just all go out and start their own business, it would make them a lot more cash, and it is a job that always needs to be done.

Hmm...$36/hour as a union worker (puke) or $100,000/year as your own business? Wonder which one I'd pick. Of course, I don't intend on being a plumber.

I am pretty sure that would increase competition and lower wages to what non union carpenters make, around 15$ to 20$ an hour. Plimbing is easy.

[Cowlesy]

you people are embarassing.

Everything the media is telling you is lies and you're lapping it right up.

He is almost through the mandatory 5 year apprenticeship under a master plumber. He isn't related to keating.

He got obama to go on the record with income redistribution.

But the media won't talk about that. It's much more effective to assinate the character of anybody who dares question the one.

"you ask a kvestion? Vee need your paperz, pleeeze."

+10000

[jcarcinogen]

License? We ain't got no license. We don't need no license! I don't have to show you any stinkin' license!

Septic tank, outhouse, or hooked to the city grid?

[devil21]

Im seeing a lot of manufactured indignance at the digging into "Joe The Plumber" background, mainly by the Republicans via Faux News. It's kinda ironic to me that people would act like he's off limits for some reason. Sure, he asked Obama a question and Obama answered. But who brought it up during the debate? MCCAIN DID! Right off the top! But actually investigating McCain's own words is some how attacking Joe The Plumber?

The level of hypocrisy from the GOP gets more awe inspiring by the day.

[ClockwiseSpark]

Im seeing a lot of manufactured indignance at the digging into "Joe The Plumber" background, mainly by the Republicans via Faux News. It's kinda ironic to me that people would act like he's off limits for some reason. Sure, he asked Obama a question and Obama answered. But who brought it up during the debate? MCCAIN DID! Right off the top! But actually investigating McCain's own words is some how attacking Joe The Plumber?

The level of hypocrisy from the GOP gets more awe inspiring by the day.

Not only that. If you are going to present yourself in that way you should expect to get your 15 minutes of fame.

[Trigonx]

I like Joe the plumber, anyone watch the interview he did for ABC

http://abcnews.go.com/Video/playerIndex?id=6047458

he called Obama's view socialistic. Great response :)

[EndTheFed]

Im seeing a lot of manufactured indignance at the digging into "Joe The Plumber" background, mainly by the Republicans via Faux News. It's kinda ironic to me that people would act like he's off limits for some reason. Sure, he asked Obama a question and Obama answered. But who brought it up during the debate? MCCAIN DID! Right off the top! But actually investigating McCain's own words is some how attacking Joe The Plumber?

The level of hypocrisy from the GOP gets more awe inspiring by the day.

This is rediculous...

The level of hypocrisy from the media gets more awe inspiring by the day...

They sent teams of people to dig dirt on Sarah Palin and came up with NOTHING really except a partisan witch hunt.

They have dug into all aspects of Joes the plumber's life

But we leave the Obama/Ayres/ACORN/Odinga relations and will not discuss them except when FORCED too.

talk about hypocrisy

Geees

[EndTheFed]

Not only that. If you are going to present yourself in that way you should expect to get your 15 minutes of fame.

He asked a question of a presidential candidate the came to HIS neighborhood...
That is not a crime...

[GunnyFreedom]

I get the point. He was being used by McCain as a soundbite to act like he cares about taxes while he gives AIG, Bears/Stearns, Paulson over $1 trillion and supports an even more expensive Empire taking much more from "Joe the Plumber". He is just as fake and harmful as the guy who sat next to the Cardinal last night with him (Obama) while they drank campaign and mocked the American people.

+1775 to there not being a spit of difference between them here. Both of them are utterly corrupt, and nothing proceeds from either of them, but corruption. I can't choose between brands of corruption, and I won't.

[blocks]

Who cares? "Joe the Plumber" is simply an illustration of what will happen to small business owners. You sound like an Obamabot blogger making this thread.

[EndTheFed]

Who cares? "Joe the Plumber" is simply an illustration of what will happen to small business owners. You sound like an Obamabot blogger making this thread.

Agreed...

[devil21]

This is rediculous...

The level of hypocrisy from the media gets more awe inspiring by the day...

They sent teams of people to dig dirt on Sarah Palin and came up with NOTHING really except a partisan witch hunt.

They have dug into all aspects of Joes the plumber's life

But we leave the Obama/Ayres/ACORN/Odinga relations and will not discuss them except when FORCED too.

talk about hypocrisy

Geees

Who made Joe the Plumber an issue? McCain. Now, once again, the McCain campaign's failure to vet is blowing up in their face in the form of bad press. That's not "media hypocrisy". That's McCain campaign incompetence coming back to bite them. If anything, the media could be hammering McCain on Keating 5 but they haven't touched it. Neither candidate is getting special treatment, good or bad.

I dont know about you but I see plenty about the ACORN thing. Open up Yahoo front page, story is right there. All of this stuff is stupid distractions to keep you from thinking about how Obama and McCain are not different in any meaningful way.

Step right up folks! Cast your vote! Socialism or Fascism? The choice is all yours, you free American people.

Joe = distraction. ACORN = distraction. Ayres = distraction.

[kpitcher]

Why the hell is there even a plumbing license?

Why does the government have to license EVERYTHING?


I'll step in here and say it's for the protection of the consumer. There has to be some standard for people knowing what they claim to know. I have worked in my family plumbing / HVAC business and I can make a few observations.

- The years required to get a license are important. There is more to plumbing than 'shit doesn't flow uphill'. Licensing is a way to ensure the client gets what they're paying for. You could argue that permits should catch all bad installs after an inspection. However the truth is permits are just a tax and inspectors, when permits are even pulled, rarely do more than a quick look over.

- The company has seen, been called in, uncounted times after some handyman, non-licensed plumber did a very bad install. Years later the bad installation decides to fall apart. Boiler systems that destructively fail releasing large amounts of water all over a house in the middle of winter is not a pleasant sight, or a small repair bill. Ejector systems that fail leaving basements deep in sewage...

- My hometown went through a large project to being sewer lines to the area almost a decade ago. Now these bad installations are failing and the 2nd, 3rd owners of homes since are having to foot the bill because the original homeowner went with the cheapest price out there. The original companies were fly by nights as no licensing was required. If licensing had been required that would have saved a lot of headaches.

- I believe every skilled trades worker out there is just that - a skilled tradesman. Licensing shows at least the smallest amount of skill a person should have.

- Non licensing can kill. I've seen carbon monoxide poisoning because of bad installations by non-licensed people. I've seen house fires because of bad plumbing, and heating, and electric installs. Along the same line would you trust a non-licensed surgeon to cut you open?

It's not socialism to demand that people have a way to back up their claims of ability.

Now requiring permits to fix something in your own home... those I am against. But that wasn't the question :)

[ItsTime]

I'll step in here and say it's for the protection of the consumer. There has to be some standard for people knowing what they claim to know. I have worked in my family plumbing / HVAC business and I can make a few observations.

- The years required to get a license are important. There is more to plumbing than 'shit doesn't flow uphill'. Licensing is a way to ensure the client gets what they're paying for. You could argue that permits should catch all bad installs after an inspection. However the truth is permits are just a tax and inspectors, when permits are even pulled, rarely do more than a quick look over.

- The company has seen, been called in, uncounted times after some handyman, non-licensed plumber did a very bad install. Years later the bad installation decides to fall apart. Boiler systems that destructively fail releasing large amounts of water all over a house in the middle of winter is not a pleasant sight, or a small repair bill. Ejector systems that fail leaving basements deep in sewage...

- My hometown went through a large project to being sewer lines to the area almost a decade ago. Now these bad installations are failing and the 2nd, 3rd owners of homes since are having to foot the bill because the original homeowner went with the cheapest price out there. The original companies were fly by nights as no licensing was required. If licensing had been required that would have saved a lot of headaches.

- I believe every skilled trades worker out there is just that - a skilled tradesman. Licensing shows at least the smallest amount of skill a person should have.

- Non licensing can kill. I've seen carbon monoxide poisoning because of bad installations by non-licensed people. I've seen house fires because of bad plumbing, and heating, and electric installs. Along the same line would you trust a non-licensed surgeon to cut you open?

It's not socialism to demand that people have a way to back up their claims of ability.

Now requiring permits to fix something in your own home... those I am against. But that wasn't the question :)

And the patriot act is to protect you from terrorism...

A private company could license better than the government


OH YA AND OBAMA SAID THOSE WORDS... just to get us back on track lol