joe the plumber isnt even a plumber; all the dirt on him comes out

[smithtg]

I bet he wishes he hadnt gotten so famous...

http://www.toledoblade.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20081016/NEWS09/810160418

[EndTheFed]

I bet he wishes he hadnt gotten so famous...

http://www.toledoblade.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20081016/NEWS09/810160418

He has been plumbing for 6 years under a licensed plumber he siad he is gettng his license... That is a plumber to me

[Bruno]

page wont load for me

[RickyJ]

He has been plumbing for 6 years under a licensed plumber he siad he is gettng his license... That is a plumber to me

Yeah, he is a plumber. Only a moron would say he isn't.

[LibertyForAll]

Yeah, he is a plumber. Only a moron would say he isn't.
I'm an electrician. Can I do your house wiring for you? I've had no training, but I haven't started any electrical fires yet or been electrocuted.

[Kotin]

who the Fuck cares?

[constituent]

who the Fuck cares?

+1

[smithtg]

I'm an electrician. Can I do your house wiring for you? I've had no training, but I haven't started any electrical fires yet or been electrocuted.

I call myself an engineer can I design that bridge you drive on?

[Kludge]

I call myself a hooker.

$50/hour. Any takers?

[ItsTime]

who gives a fuck what he is. OBAMA SAID THE WORDS. Do not tell me that the next president of the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA got fooled by a plumbers assistant is being used as a fucking excuse?

But that is typical of the dems. "Bush fooled me into voting for the Iraq war" "Bush fooled me into voting for the patriot act" "Bush fooled me into voting for the patriot act AGAIN"

Oh and Obamas lie.... "I reluctantly voted for....xyz"

[ItsTime]

I'm an electrician. Can I do your house wiring for you? I've had no training, but I haven't started any electrical fires yet or been electrocuted.

hey shit face, got references? So much for Liberty For All. You must pass a GOVERNMENT tests to be OK.

[ItsTime]

who gives a fuck what he is. OBAMA SAID THE WORDS. Do not tell me that the next president of the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA got fooled by a plumbers assistant is being used as a fucking excuse?

But that is typical of the dems. "Bush fooled me into voting for the Iraq war" "Bush fooled me into voting for the patriot act" "Bush fooled me into voting for the patriot act AGAIN"

Oh and Obamas lie.... "I reluctantly voted for....xyz"

damn I hate being last post on 1st page

[torchbearer]

McCain used the guy for his own power grab, and the poor guy didn't realize what shit storm he stepped in...
Now McCain is at home cozy, and Joe is about to get his ass plunged.
Will McCain come to the rescue? I don't think so.

[Kludge]

damn I hate being last post on 1st page

Especially when it's you who bumps your post off :p

[forsmant]

A Plumbers apprentice cannot work on a job without a licensed Master Plumber in my town. I am glad there are no requirements for carpenters except being an asshole. He is a plumber.

[Defining Obscene]

Hes not a plumber? Good lord let me change the vote I wasn't going to cast based on this irrelevant piece of political fodder.

[Cowlesy]

I am glad there are no requirements for carpenters except being an asshole. He is a plumber.

Absolutely laughing out loud at that.

You cranky lobster.

GO BROWNS!

[forsmant]

Go colts!

[Bruno]

A Plumbers apprentice cannot work on a job without a licensed Master Plumber in my town. I am glad there are no requirements for carpenters except being an asshole. He is a plumber.


Jesus was a carpenter. :p

Or maybe he was really a plumber? :eek:


who gives a fuck what he is. OBAMA SAID THE WORDS. Do not tell me that the next president of the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA got fooled by a plumbers assistant is being used as a fucking excuse?

But that is typical of the dems. "Bush fooled me into voting for the Iraq war" "Bush fooled me into voting for the patriot act" "Bush fooled me into voting for the patriot act AGAIN"

Oh and Obamas lie.... "I reluctantly voted for....xyz"

That is the point. It was a total socialist slip.

Now if he turns out to be a McCain plant or something crazy, that's another story.

side note - that guy's life will never be the same again. He will be known as the guy who got a big discussion surrounding him and Obama's comments in the debates.

People will be Joe the Plumber for Halloween (i just might, lol, good conversation starter!!)

[DirtMcGirt]

Barry slipped up and didn't stick to his talking points... bottom line

[Defining Obscene]

Why are people so shocked about this? He has been talking about spreading the wealth his whole campaign. Taxing the top percent ring a bell? I honestly hope people aren't just now figuring this out by hearing it so bluntly...

[torchbearer]

Why are people so shocked about this? He has been talking about spreading the wealth his whole campaign. Taxing the top percent ring a bell? I honestly hope people aren't just now figuring this out by hearing it so bluntly...

Which one are you talking about?
They both thought it was a good idea to send your money to private banks, financial institutes, insurance companies, and personal friends.
Socialist A or Socialist B?

[Defining Obscene]

I absolutely agree. There is no good choice, we have to make one.

[torchbearer]

I absolutely agree. There is no good choice, we have to make one.

third party.

[Kacey]

Does he know how to do the job? Is there people who recommend him? I mean come on for all the people here talking about a free market I am SHOCKED that you would side with a union on who can and can't call them selfs something.

I agree with the other people this is a non-issue move along.

[Philmanoman]

I might be wrong but I wanna say that McCain has uttered those words before...
"Spread the wealth around"...in the debates maybe...like I said not sure...I looked around for it on youtube and had no luck...

[Unspun]

I call myself an engineer can I design that bridge you drive on?

You're really gonna equate an engineer building a bridge to someone who fixes a leaky pipe?

Right.

[EndTheFed]

third party.

Tourch, You never answered my questions about your MENSA credentials...

You gonna produce them?

:D

[tonesforjonesbones]

http://deathby1000papercuts.com/2008/10/joe-the-plumber-team-obamas-destroy-joe-mission/

[EndTheFed]

http://deathby1000papercuts.com/2008/10/joe-the-plumber-team-obamas-destroy-joe-mission/

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_iKcZ3qcCmyo/SLedZCscElI/AAAAAAAAJaI/kLXDXc6zZYQ/s400/hillarythumbsSM.jpg

Amazing... unbelievable...

[ItsTime]

say it with me "Obama said the words". Are you telling me that a wannabe plumber TRICKED Obama into saying them? I cant wait until the talks with Iran begin....

[tonesforjonesbones]

Endthefed...this is a prime example of the communist Hegelian Dialectic. tones

[tonesforjonesbones]

I swear there are communist democrat trolls that have taken over this forum...tones

[newyearsrevolution08]

really 4+ pages about joe the damn plumber LOL...

wow

[Bruno]

really 4+ pages about joe the damn plumber LOL...

wow


that's nothing compared to the MSM coverage on him, including every late night comedy show. He blew up overnight and has become forever tied to Obama saying, "Spread the wealth around". He's a part of American pop-culture history now. I wouldn't doubt if he makes it into Trivial Pursuit, lol.

His life is changed forever, for better for worse.

[torchbearer]

really 4+ pages about joe the damn plumber LOL...

wow

its not really about Joe. It is about McCain using a man to furthur his political agenda, and then the guy gets chewed up by the media.. and no one is talking about what a piece of shit McCain is for hanging this guy out to dry.
I mean, the guy could lose his job.. these articles could encourage hate towards him by people in his community.. etc.
And for what? So McCain can be the elected King and get to loot us for he and his.

[ItsTime]

its not really about Joe. It is about McCain using a man to furthur his political agenda, and then the guy gets chewed up by the media.. and no one is talking about what a piece of shit McCain is for hanging this guy out to dry.
I mean, the guy could lose his job.. these articles could encourage hate towards him by people in his community.. etc.
And for what? So McCain can be the elected King and get to loot us for he and his.

You dont think Obama people are behind the hate? This is how Obama is going to treat those who use free speech.

[tonesforjonesbones]

Torchbearer CUT THE CRAP. It's about Obama the communist taking the spotlight OFF of his damn communist "spread the wealth around" and focusing on JOE THE PLUMBER...and if you are so shallow that you can't see JOE THE PLUMBER represents the MIDDLE CLASS AMERICA not some actual guy who asked NOBAMA a question...there's no hope for ya dude. <eyeroll> TONES

[torchbearer]

You dont think Obama people are behind the hate? This is how Obama is going to treat those who use free speech.

Of course its the Obama people, but McCain used the guy as a body shield.

[EndTheFed]

its not really about Joe. It is about McCain using a man to furthur his political agenda, and then the guy gets chewed up by the media.. and no one is talking about what a piece of shit McCain is for hanging this guy out to dry.
I mean, the guy could lose his job.. these articles could encourage hate towards him by people in his community.. etc.
And for what? So McCain can be the elected King and get to loot us for he and his.

Hmm and no one is digging into obama's past... but they sure have time to send teams to alaska to dig up dirt... and now to dig dirt on joe...
mmm sad

[tonesforjonesbones]

MCCAIN didn't use that particular GUY...it is an abstract representative of MIDDLE AMERICA BEING SCREWED BY OBAMA's COMMUNIST ROBIN HOOD AGENDA...damn! tones

[torchbearer]

Torchbearer CUT THE CRAP. It's about Obama the communist taking the spotlight OFF of his damn communist "spread the wealth around" and focusing on JOE THE PLUMBER...and if you are so shallow that you can't see JOE THE PLUMBER represents the MIDDLE CLASS AMERICA not some actual guy who asked NOBAMA a question...there's no hope for ya dude. <eyeroll> TONES

Says the collectivist. :rolleyes:
You and Joe enjoy your socialism under McCain... and if your lucky, your socialism under Obama.
You two are fighting over two pieces of shit, and you deserve the ass fucking more than anyone.
Hope your kids enjoy marching off to war.
Bomb, Bomb, Bomb Iran... Watch your kids explode in pieces.

[tonesforjonesbones]

THE OBAMA PEOPLE are the ones crucifying that poor dude...NOT MCCAIN AND THE REPUBLICANS!!!!!!!!! wtfu. tones

[tonesforjonesbones]

Torchbearer are you NOT a collectivist? seems to me you are running for office under the collectivist banner of the libertarian party ..right? tones

[tonesforjonesbones]

Have you ever heard of Weird Al Yankovich? That song was a satire to the tune of the Beach Boys song Barbara Ann. Are you old enough to remember that when the Iranians were holding all those american hostages during Jimmy Carters reign? I remember it..I lived it. TONES

[torchbearer]

Torchbearer are you NOT a collectivist? seems to me you are running for office under the collectivist banner of the libertarian party ..right? tones

nope. i belong to many organizations regardless of party.
I'm registered Republican for the sole purpose of becoming a delegate for Ron Paul.
I am apart of the LP central committee because I can help those people out in advancing their cause.
Same with the RLC... CFL... Committee of Safety, and a few others I can't mention.

All of it aimed at restoring the constitution.

You on the other hand are voting against the constitution. And you deserve everything you are going to get for it.

[Kacey]

I am getting really sick of the in fighting, I am going to quote my self in the hopes that people remember what we are doing here.


Our job is to awaken as many people as we can, teach, and lead by example. Now does this mean you have to vote for a certain person? No, we should vote anyway we feel. So long as we don't go against our princables. If your reason to vote for McCain is to slow a socialist agenda then thats fine, and is very commendable.

But let me state it again, no matter what happens in this years election remember we have four years to wake people, look at what Ron and his campaign did in two years. Also remember that our focus is much more then the president, its congress, and local government.

[tonesforjonesbones]

Look...on the grassroots level...who do you think are the people who still love the founding fathers, the constitution, LIBERTY, free markets, no social programs, no redistribution of wealth...the grassroots republicans or the grassroots democrats? Please think torch..I'm not going for your throat anymore. Just think on it. tones (who are the patriots? republicans or democrats..who ? )

[EndTheFed]

I am getting really sick of the in fighting, I am going to quote my self in the hopes that people remember what we are doing here.

Agreed I think this makes 4 of us that understand this now...

:)

[torchbearer]

Look...on the grassroots level...who do you think are the people who still love the founding fathers, the constitution, LIBERTY, free markets, no social programs, no redistribution of wealth...the grassroots republicans or the grassroots democrats? Please think torch..I'm not going for your throat anymore. Just think on it. tones (who are the patriots? republicans or democrats..who ? )

Patriots resist tyranny, they don't give in to the lesser of two evils.

[EndTheFed]

Patriots resist tyranny, they don't give in to the lesser of two evils.

OMG.... the RP collectivist talking points of lesser of 2 evils....

There is evil in this world and there are evils that are worse than others... and clichés don't make this not true.

Our REAL CHOICE is either McCain or Obama. any other for this election is thrown away...

[yokna7]

I bet he wishes he hadnt gotten so famous...

http://www.toledoblade.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20081016/NEWS09/810160418

This poor bastard. The media is ruining his life. It's hilarious.

[torchbearer]

OMG.... the RP collectivist talking points of lesser of 2 evils....

There is evil in this world and there are evils that are worse than others... and clichés don't make this not true.

Our REAL CHOICE is either McCain or Obama. any other for this election is thrown away...

Choice? They are the same.

[EndTheFed]

Choice? They are the same.

They are NOT the same.. They are VERY different on the supreme court.

[tonesforjonesbones]

New Member? Why do you think this is funny? It could be you next time.

Torch...98% of the grass roots republicans are clueless...they believe they are doing the right thing. They are the patriots...it's up to US to befriend them ...and pull them back to sanity. You can't hit them over the head with a bat and expect them to listen ....you have to have coffee with them, be their friend, talk positively about the GOP...and gently slide them the information a little at a time. We can't bombard them with this information...and at the same time, we have to offer solutions...like true free markets, sound money...information on the fed and what can be done to fix our economy. People won't listen if we don't offer the solutions as well...it's up to us to convence them. In a NICE way. tones

[torchbearer]

They are NOT the same.. They are VERY different on the supreme court.

They are both liberals. And the supreme court doesn't have appointments very often.
Ron Paul, Bob Barr, and Chuck Baldwin would all give us constitutionalist as judges.
Vote for one of them.

[tonesforjonesbones]

Obama is a communist...he is eons away from liberal at this point. besides...this protest stuff is watering down the movement. It has effectively made mush out of it. tones

[EndTheFed]

They are both liberals. And the supreme court doesn't have appointments very often.
Ron Paul, Bob Barr, and Chuck Baldwin would all give us constitutionalist as judges.
Vote for one of them.


Baldwin IS NOT going to win

there is going to be 2 - 4 appointees in the next 4 years...

Ron Paul says McCain would be bettr for the country than obama

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9_yjImzwuIU

[RickyJ]

Baldwin IS NOT going to win

there is going to be 2 - 4 appointees in the next 4 years...

Ron Paul says McCain would be bettr for the country than obama

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9_yjImzwuIU


I am not voting based on who has the best chances of winning. I am voting for the best candidate running. I couldn't live with myself if I did anything less.

Chuck Baldwin has my vote and support.

[EndTheFed]

I am not voting based on who has the best chances of winning. I am voting for the best candidate running. I couldn't live with myself if I did anything less.

Chuck Baldwin has my vote and support.

Well if you are in a swing state go ahead and vote for him... see what good it does... and enjoy it the trough the obama years... :)

[angelatc]

Well if you are in a swing state go ahead and vote for him... see what good it does... and enjoy it the trough the obama years... :)

You can't even be civil enough to respect a man who is voting on principle? That's fucked up.

[angelatc]

I'm an electrician. Can I do your house wiring for you? I've had no training, but I haven't started any electrical fires yet or been electrocuted.

You're an idiot. He's a journeyman. Ohio mandates that plumbers work a 5 year appreticeship, and he is in his 5th year.

This the media assinating the character of a guy who did nothing except dare to ask a question to The One, and he's being raked over the coals. The media is literally lying about him and his background - the same crap we bitch about when it affects us, and the idiots here somehoe imply that this poor bastard deserved it?

I was wrong. We deserve what we get because apparently the revolution is full of fucking idiots.

[EndTheFed]

You can't even be civil enough to respect a man who is voting on principle? That's fucked up.

What was uncivl about what I said... I don't see anything uncivil about what I said...

[angelatc]

who gives a fuck what he is. OBAMA SAID THE WORDS. Do not tell me that the next president of the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA got fooled by a plumbers assistant is being used as a fucking excuse?
"

Exactly. Obama just admitted that he wants to implement a socialist wealth distribution plan. That should be huge.

Does anybody care? Nope. They want to eat the guy that dared ask him the question. There are liberal sites out there advocating violence against him - a working class guy just because he dared ask a simple fucking question.

I can't believe the people here are this fucking stupid.

Making him present his papers just because he asked a fucking question. WTF?

[angelatc]

What was uncivl about what I said... I don't see anything uncivil about what I said...

So you don't even understand what civil is. Imagine that.'

[angelatc]

that's nothing compared to the MSM coverage on him, including every late night comedy show. He blew up overnight and has become forever tied to Obama saying, "Spread the wealth around". He's a part of American pop-culture history now. I wouldn't doubt if he makes it into Trivial Pursuit, lol.

His life is changed forever, for better for worse.


This is what should be scaring the socks off of people. The media has once again proved that it doesn't actually investigate facts, it just parrots what other people utter.

THe guy asked a question, and the media immediately set out to destroy this guy.

Joe is a plumber, and his boss is licensed. He is not related to a Keating. He has a tax lien on his house. Obama's campaign treasurer has one too, as well as several business liens.

Not that the truth matters. It's much easier to just pick people apart, so the rest of us will hesitate to stand up when the time comes.

I know the socialists do it, but I am freaking floored to see the people here engaging in the gang bang.

[Nirvikalpa]

This is what should be scaring the socks off of people. The media has once again proved that it doesn't actually investigate facts, it just parrots what other people utter.

THe guy asked a question, and the media immediately set out to destroy this guy.

Joe is a plumber, and his boss is licensed. He is not related to a Keating. He has a tax lien on his house. Obama's campaign treasurer has one too, as well as several business liens.

Not that the truth matters. It's much easier to just pick people apart, so the rest of us will hesitate to stand up when the time comes.

I know the socialists do it, but I am freaking floored to see the people here engaging in the gang bang.

+1. I am glad someone else realizes this.

[Mini-Me]

This is what should be scaring the socks off of people. The media has once again proved that it doesn't actually investigate facts, it just parrots what other people utter.

THe guy asked a question, and the media immediately set out to destroy this guy.

Joe is a plumber, and his boss is licensed. He is not related to a Keating. He has a tax lien on his house. Obama's campaign treasurer has one too, as well as several business liens.

Not that the truth matters. It's much easier to just pick people apart, so the rest of us will hesitate to stand up when the time comes.

I know the socialists do it, but I am freaking floored to see the people here engaging in the gang bang.

Good post...I hope more people in America recognize what happened to this guy.

[torchbearer]

I told you, McCain used the guy as a body shield.
I don't think anyone is understanding what i'm saying.
I can see this from the perspective of a politician.
McCain knew what was going to happen... the focus was going to be taken off of his tanking campaign... and Obama supporters were going to rip on the "poor joe".
He used the schmuck. For his own personal gain.
The "average joe" didn't know what he was getting himself into... he believes he was helping McCain... well, he is... as a body shield.

[Mini-Me]

I told you, McCain used the guy as a body shield.
I don't think anyone is understanding what i'm saying.
I can see this from the perspective of a politician.
McCain knew what was going to happen... the focus was going to be taken off of his tanking campaign... and Obama supporters were going to rip on the "poor joe".
He used the schmuck. For his own personal gain.
The "average joe" didn't know what he was getting himself into... he believes he was helping McCain... well, he is... as a body shield.

No, I understand you, and you're right. Quite frankly, they're both disgusting.

[torchbearer]

No, I understand you, and you're right. Quite frankly, they're both disgusting.

If Joe agreed to help mccain with a setup question. he earned it.
If he was just being a curious voter and got caught up in it by McCain's campaign using him... the ultimate blame lies on McCain.
McCain didn't have to talk about "joe the plumber", he could have made up any example to illustrate his point without bringing a common individual into the political mix.

[liberteebell]

This is what should be scaring the socks off of people. The media has once again proved that it doesn't actually investigate facts, it just parrots what other people utter.

THe guy asked a question, and the media immediately set out to destroy this guy.

Joe is a plumber, and his boss is licensed. He is not related to a Keating. He has a tax lien on his house. Obama's campaign treasurer has one too, as well as several business liens.

Not that the truth matters. It's much easier to just pick people apart, so the rest of us will hesitate to stand up when the time comes.

I know the socialists do it, but I am freaking floored to see the people here engaging in the gang bang.


+2008

Let me also add that regardless of whether or not mcwar used this guy, I'd vote for Joe the PlumberornotPlumber (who gives a flying f***!) before I'd vote for either of the two idiot frontrunners. The guy is articulate and seems to get the free market.

And obomba is an elitist, socialist whore. About the most insulting, disgusting thing I've heard out of his mouth is, "who ever heard of a plumber who makes a quarter million dollars?". Way to insult the "working class". And a lot of blacks think he identifies with them?????? They're in for a very rude awakening.

[torchbearer]

"who ever heard of a plumber who makes a quarter million dollars?".

:( I thought the same thing... thinking, if that's true, why aren't people rushing out to by plumbers?
It doesn't look like that difficult of a job.
I fix computers, networks, private virtual networks, point of sell machines... shit that requires a lof of knowledge, and I don't make anywhere close to that much... not even a quarter of that.

[angelatc]

:( I thought the same thing... thinking, if that's true, why aren't people rushing out to by plumbers?
It doesn't look like that difficult of a job.
I fix computers, networks, private virtual networks, point of sell machines... shit that requires a lof of knowledge, and I don't make anywhere close to that much... not even a quarter of that.

That's not what he said! He said he was looking at buying a business that made $250,000.

I think there is a case to be made that Joe doesn't understand that taxes are generally paid on net, not gross. But he's a plumber, not an accountant. He can use part of that $250,000 to hire an accountant.

As for not being a difficult job - you couldn't pay me enough to work in other people's shit.

[torchbearer]

That's not what he said! He said he was looking at buying a business that made $250,000.

I think there is a case to be made that Joe doesn't understand that taxes are generally paid on net, not gross. But he's a plumber, not an accountant. He can use part of that $250,000 to hire an accountant.

As for not being a difficult job - you couldn't pay me enough to work in other people's shit.

I do my own plumbing. :)
In politics, I deal with other people's shit all the time. You get used to the smell. :D

[angelatc]

They are NOT the same.. They are VERY different on the supreme court.

OK, I'll bite.

HOw different will "reach across the aisle" really be? Remember, he said Scalia was too conservative when preparing your response.

Also remember that he was the guy that formed the gang of 14 - he sold out the GOP and President Bush's right to appoint judges.

Also consider that his name is on the bill that became the biggest infringement on our first amendment rights in recent history. Do you really think he will appoint a judge that will overturn the law that McCain/Feingold begat?

[liberteebell]

:( I thought the same thing... thinking, if that's true, why aren't people rushing out to by plumbers?
It doesn't look like that difficult of a job.
I fix computers, networks, private virtual networks, point of sell machines... shit that requires a lof of knowledge, and I don't make anywhere close to that much... not even a quarter of that.

I'm not an official plumber but I've done plenty of plumbing in my life, especially in my "former life" working as a golf course superintendent. Point is, there's more to it than one might think.

Further, I live in a neighborhood full of and know a lot of trades people. Don't let the fact that they don't have a Harvard education fool you. In general (and I hate collectivist thinking but...), they're intelligent, well-read and have waaaaaay more street smarts and common sense than the obombas of the world. It is an elitist, snobbish attitude to look down on people just because they work with their hands and obomba should be slapped down for saying such a thing. Without question, some of the most brilliant people I know have no more than a high school education (with a PhD from the School of Hard Knocks and Self-Education).

And I do know a couple of plumber/business owners that do make a ton of money. How much, I don't know for certain, but they certainly live well and they always have plenty of work.

[Mini-Me]

If Joe agreed to help mccain with a setup question. he earned it.
If he was just being a curious voter and got caught up in it by McCain's campaign using him... the ultimate blame lies on McCain.
McCain didn't have to talk about "joe the plumber", he could have made up any example to illustrate his point without bringing a common individual into the political mix.

I know :p When I said they're both disgusting, I was referring to McCain and Obama (or at least the Obama worshippers who are now crucifying Joe for causing an Obama slip, just as McCain expected).

[lodge939]

I'm supporting Joe the Plumber for congress. (yes, there is a website)

[kpitcher]

I get slightly miffed at anyone who titles himself different than he should be. Skilled tradespeople are just that - skilled at what they do. If he isn't a master plumber, he's not a plumber. Just like an assistant to a doctor is not a doctor, a legal assistant is not a lawyer, etc. Of course plumber's assistant or 'I work in the plumbing field' might not translate well. However people never seem to misreport a doctor or lawyer (Unless you're trying to pick up someone at the bar). I wonder if "joe" ever thought his 15 minutes would come from asking a single question.

Yes it's semantics. But since it's a hot topic I can say that any self respecting tradesperson who hears that joe isn't licensed gets a chuckle off of this. I mean who in the trades hasn't run into some self titled plumber, electrician, carpenter and laugh/wince when they see their work.

[sailor]

Who said Jesus was a carpenter? He wasn`t! He didn`t have a license!

[angelatc]

I get slightly miffed at anyone who titles himself different than he should be. Skilled tradespeople are just that - skilled at what they do. If he isn't a master plumber, he's not a plumber.

Nonsense. I am not a CPA but I am an accountant. My friend the CPA doesn't call herself an accountant. She calls herself a CPA.

I used to work with a lot of tradesmen, and the electrical apprentices all called themselves electricians, and the plumbers called themselves plumbers.

He attaches faucets to sinks - he is a plumber. As in - one who plumbs.

Really far more controversial to hear a non-master plumber describe his profession by what he does than to hear the potential next president talk openly about implementing socialism.

Pathetic.

[sailor]

He attaches faucets to sinks - he is a plumber. As in - one who plumbs.

Of course. Unbelivable you should meet buerocracy maniacs even on here.

What about before the buerocrats in the government figured out you need a license to do plumbing? Nobody was able to call himself a plumber?

Give us limited government. Put an end to government licensing!

[torchbearer]

Of course. Unbelivable you should meet buerocracy maniacs even on here.

What about before the buerocrats in the government figured out you need a license to do plumbing? Nobody was able to call himself a plumber?

Give us limited government. Put an end to government licensing!

What about private licensing?

[sailor]

Private licensing is good. It is one way in which a free market provides quality control.

But people should stil be free to work even without a private license if they can find customers. With my money I should be able to hire anyone I want to to do my plumbing!

And this guy has been in buisiness for 5 years and has saved enough money that he is considering buying a company for 250,000. That tells me he isn`t strapped for customers and must be good at his job. I`d hire him.

[MoneyWhereMyMouthIs2]

Private licensing is good. It is one way in which a free market provides quality control.

But people should stil be free to work even without a private license if they can find customers. With my money I should be able to hire anyone I want to to do my plumbing!

And this guy has been in buisiness for 5 years and has saved enough money that he is considering buying a company for 250,000. That tells me he isn`t strapped for customers and must be good at his job. I`d hire him.

He said he was considering buying a company that makes $250,000 per year. It's a whole different thing. We don't know what he's paying for it, and there's no telling if he made the money to buy it by being a plumber, but I agree with you otherwise.

Anyway, my local news is still talking about this guy... said he doesn't like all the scrutiny, but he will probably be campaigning for McCain later in the day. lol. Whatever.

[sailor]

Anyway, my local news is still talking about this guy... said he doesn't like all the scrutiny, but he will probably be campaigning for McCain later in the day. lol. Whatever.

He is a twat, gotta give his detractors that. :p