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ItsTime
10-15-2008, 04:07 PM
http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/calculator/

torchbearer
10-15-2008, 04:41 PM
from the looks of the map, even if he won all the swing states, he'd still lose.

heavenlyboy34
10-15-2008, 04:45 PM
And they wonder why people don't care about elections anymore. :rolleyes:

tonesforjonesbones
10-15-2008, 04:45 PM
Why do you consistantly go to communist liberal websites for your information? Try zogby or rasmussen...these are true polling sites. tones

torchbearer
10-15-2008, 04:48 PM
Why do you consistantly go to communist liberal websites for your information? Try zogby or rasmussen...these are true polling sites. tones

You can make your own map if you want. They let you change the states to whatever you want.

tonesforjonesbones
10-15-2008, 04:51 PM
(C) ommunist (N) ews (N) etwork T.

torchbearer
10-15-2008, 04:52 PM
McCain is a communist.

mediahasyou
10-15-2008, 04:59 PM
Theres your democracy. The side states can win the election when the whole country votes the other way. Dividing differences calls for succession. Time for Change.

ItsTime
10-15-2008, 05:09 PM
Why do you consistantly go to communist liberal websites for your information? Try zogby or rasmussen...these are true polling sites. tones

go state by state with the polling. I believe that is what cnn did.

You think Zogby or Rasmussen is any less bias than CNN? :eek:

torchbearer
10-15-2008, 05:12 PM
go state by state with the polling. I believe that is what cnn did.

You think Zogby or Rasmussen is any less bias than CNN? :eek:

No- tones is a mccain voter, doesn't like to see anything that shows mccain losing.

Lovecraftian4Paul
10-15-2008, 05:34 PM
Buh-bye, Johnny! Hello, Comrade Obama! Oh well, I'm still counting down the days until you get badly thumped for failing to show any knowledge of economics, foreign policy...or most anything else. Oh, and get that fake conservative Princess a one way ticket back to Alaska the day after the election too!

Monolithic
10-15-2008, 09:37 PM
Why do you consistantly go to communist liberal websites for your information? Try zogby or rasmussen...these are true polling sites. tones

lol zogby is a terrible pollster

he said kerry would win in a landslide in 04

rasmussen is ok, gallup is probably the best national tracker

but national polls don't really matter, all about state-by-state polls

Lovecraftian4Paul
10-16-2008, 05:02 AM
I wonder if a few "Straight Talk" followers on this forum will blame us for communism when McCain burns on election night?

pahs1994
10-16-2008, 11:13 AM
I wonder if a few "Straight Talk" followers on this forum will blame us for communism when McCain burns on election night?

Most likely (tones). They need to understand that the GOP made their bed, when they laughed at us and treated us like sh#t, now they have to lie in it. McCain is too far left for many people, the neo-con party is going down. If that means we will have socialism than it is their own fault and not ours for forgetting what the party and platform used to mean and losing the momentum that our people could have brought to the ticket.

ItsTime
10-16-2008, 11:17 AM
Most likely (tones). They need to understand that the GOP made their bed, when they laughed at us and treated us like sh#t, now they have to lie in it. McCain is too far left for many people, the neo-con party is going down. If that means we will have socialism than it is their own fault and not ours for forgetting what the party and platform used to mean and losing the momentum that our people could have brought to the ticket.

+1 We have been asked to campaign for McCain. We have said no and our local GOP understands. I think more and more local GOP people are waking up to the fact the GOP can NOT win if they act like democrats.

EndTheFed
10-16-2008, 11:18 AM
Most likely (tones). They need to understand that the GOP made their bed, when they laughed at us and treated us like sh#t, now they have to lie in it. McCain is too far left for many people, the neo-con party is going down. If that means we will have socialism than it is their own fault and not ours for forgetting what the party and platform used to mean and losing the momentum that our people could have brought to the ticket.

Shooting yourself in the foot is stupid...

Vote mccain.... Block obama especially in the swing states..

ItsTime
10-16-2008, 11:19 AM
Shooting yourself in the foot is stupid...

Vote mccain.... Block obama especially in the swing states..

If McCain gets elected we have ZERO chance of getting a Liberty candidate elected in 2012.

ChickenHawk
10-16-2008, 11:28 AM
I predicted McCain would win by a sizable margin. This economic meltdown started earlier and more dramatically than I had expected. McCain's handling of the economic issues has been unbelievably bad. At this point I don't see how he can possibly win. We will get a full fledged Marxist for president with veto proof or near veto proof majorities in congress. This could be good for the revolution. That is the only silver lining here.

EndTheFed
10-16-2008, 11:29 AM
If McCain gets elected we have ZERO chance of getting a Liberty candidate elected in 2012.

Hmmmm Ahh you are really Ms Cleo....


Tell me how you figure this...

pahs1994
10-16-2008, 11:31 AM
Shooting yourself in the foot is stupid...

Vote mccain.... Block obama especially in the swing states..

Voting my concience isn't stupid. If you want someone who voted for the bailout, supports amnesty, ect... By all means vote for McCain

EndTheFed
10-16-2008, 11:35 AM
Voting my concience isn't stupid. If you want someone who voted for the bailout, supports amnesty, ect... By all means vote for McCain

Vote your concience? sure I understand that and agree but this must be balanced with vote your brain. that is more important I think

FindLiberty
10-16-2008, 11:40 AM
Vote your concience? sure I understand that and agree but this must be balanced with vote your brain. that is more important I think

Brains?

What if your BIG RED heart tells you to vote for Obama?

LibertyForAll
10-16-2008, 11:41 AM
McCain is just the fall guy to keep the Republican Party out of the hands of people who Really want change. They have never stood a chance in hell against either Hillary or Barack, actually Mitt Romney would have given a Barack a run for his money...but McCain?? He's just sad....the real players knew this was a lost election cycle because of the Bush damage...McCain the Maverick thought he could go against the tidal wave...and he bet double-or-nothing by picking Palin....guess what? he lost the bet.
I was shocked to see McCain come out on top as the Republican nominee in the first place...so many other better choices...

EndTheFed
10-16-2008, 11:44 AM
Brains?

What if your BIG RED heart tells you to vote for Obama?

Hmmm get a heart transplant... :D

dannno
10-16-2008, 11:45 AM
Hmmmm Ahh you are really Ms Cleo....


Tell me how you figure this...

You need to spend some time in bigger cities or at least near bigger cities. That is where the majority of the people live. We can obviously see that the majority is behind Obama and I can tell that it is because most of these people HATE bush because he is stupid, and if McCain gets elected some how they will be furious. Did you see McCain in the debates last night? Obama is dangerous, but McCain is a fucking retard like Bush, and people know he is going to be manipulated like Bush was. At least Obama has a head on his shoulders, even if he's wrong about a lot of things he acts somewhat intelligent. They won't care who is in the Republican primaries or who the indepdendent candidate is, because they will stop at nothing to get the Republicans out of office in 2012, that's what they are doing now.

Let them have it so they can screw it up for a change.

If Obama gets elected and the country gets messed up, then we have a good chance at convincing people in 2012 that we need less government. If McCain wins, then it will be easier to brainwash people into more government for the next election, after all, Bush and McCain are Republicans and they hate big government (even though we know that is BS...)

pahs1994
10-16-2008, 11:46 AM
Vote your concience? sure I understand that and agree but this must be balanced with vote your brain. that is more important I think

Ok, lets say I "use my brain" and vote for McCain. Then i am sending a message that I am ok with this Left leaning neocon being the Nominee of the party. I am also giving him a chance to actually become president. Which means when he fucks up the country almost as badly as Obama would by 2012, He will be running as an incumbent and will most likely have no challengers from the GOP side. Then we will be back at square one with our choice of John "Bomb bomb bomb, bomb bomb Iran" McCain and some communist Demon-crat. Just my way of looking at it.

EndTheFed
10-16-2008, 11:49 AM
You need to spend some time in bigger cities or at least near bigger cities. That is where the majority of the people live. We can obviously see that the majority is behind Obama and I can tell that it is because most of these people HATE bush because he is stupid, and if McCain gets elected some how they will be furious. Did you see McCain in the debates last night? Obama is dangerous, but McCain is a fucking retard like Bush, and people know he is going to be manipulated like Bush was. At least Obama has a head on his shoulders, even if he's wrong about a lot of things he acts somewhat intelligent. They won't care who is in the Republican primaries or who the indepdendent candidate is, because they will stop at nothing to get the Republicans out of office in 2012, that's what they are doing now.

Let them have it so they can screw it up for a change.

If Obama gets elected and the country gets messed up, then we have a good chance at convincing people in 2012 that we need less government. If McCain wins, then it will be easier to brainwash people into more government for the next election, after all, Bush and McCain are Republicans and they hate big government (even though we know that is BS...)

Stupid... Shooting yourself in the foot is not good in the firstplace.. anf then you run the chance of getting infected and it being fatal.

dannno
10-16-2008, 11:53 AM
Stupid... Shooting yourself in the foot is not good in the firstplace.. anf then you run the chance of getting infected and it being fatal.

Well I happen to think that electing McCain is a bigger shot in the foot.

Ron Paul says that the Federal Reserve destroys the poor and middle class, the people on the bottom, right? I would rather give our tax money to those people (Obama) than spend it killing people, blowing up bridges overseas (McCain).. There is no way I could put killing people on my concious like that, but if you're ok with killing innocent people for a broader agenda than by all means vote McCain. Not that Obama is killer on foreign policy, so to speak, but he is someone who thinks for himself. McCain does not.


Oh, and I'm not voting for either. I would just prefer that "the people" elected Obama over McCain.

EndTheFed
10-16-2008, 11:54 AM
Ok, lets say I "use my brain" and vote for McCain. Then i am sending a message that I am ok with this Left leaning neocon being the Nominee of the party. I am also giving him a chance to actually become president. Which means when he fucks up the country almost as badly as Obama would by 2012, He will be running as an incumbent and will most likely have no challengers from the GOP side. Then we will be back at square one with our choice of John "Bomb bomb bomb, bomb bomb Iran" McCain and some communist Demon-crat. Just my way of looking at it.


I'm not going to respond to you "Bomb bomb bomb, bomb bomb Iran" democrat talking point but as far as sending a message i think Ted nuggent said it best on Glenn Beck. I don't think I can get it across as effectivly in text as it he did but he said basically hold your nose, vote mccain and then hold their feet to the fire...

Go to their offices (congressmen), ask what is happening to our money..
If tey don't havean answer say ok how bout you have an answer for me thursday.. and go back... hold them accountable.

TER
10-16-2008, 12:00 PM
Its so depressing that after all this time and after countless threads, and after everything Ron Paul has said over the past year, people on this forum still consider voting for either Obama or McCain. Wow. One step forward, two steps back...

dannno
10-16-2008, 12:18 PM
its so depressing that after all this time and after countless threads, and after everything ron paul has said over the past year, people on this forum still consider voting for either obama or mccain. Wow. One step forward, two stepd back...

qft

heavenlyboy34
10-16-2008, 12:26 PM
its so depressing that after all this time and after countless threads, and after everything ron paul has said over the past year, people on this forum still consider voting for either obama or mccain. Wow. One step forward, two steps back...

+1776

EndTheFed
10-16-2008, 12:26 PM
Well I happen to think that electing McCain is a bigger shot in the foot.

Ron Paul says that the Federal Reserve destroys the poor and middle class, the people on the bottom, right? I would rather give our tax money to those people (Obama) than spend it killing people, blowing up bridges overseas (McCain).. There is no way I could put killing people on my concious like that, but if you're ok with killing innocent people for a broader agenda than by all means vote McCain. Not that Obama is killer on foreign policy, so to speak, but he is someone who thinks for himself. McCain does not.


Oh, and I'm not voting for either. I would just prefer that "the people" elected Obama over McCain.

To each his own.

EndTheFed
10-16-2008, 12:29 PM
Its so depressing that after all this time and after countless threads, and after everything Ron Paul has said over the past year, people on this forum still consider voting for either Obama or McCain. Wow. One step forward, two steps back...

Real simple.... I am NOT in lockstep with RP... I appreciate the man and what he has done exposing the information but I am not into Group Think...

TER
10-16-2008, 12:39 PM
Real simple.... I am NOT in lockstep with RP... I appreciate the man and what he has done exposing the information but I am not into Group Think...

Do whatever you want. If everything this movement has said and done has not been able to convince you to vote your conscience, then no amount of posts from me will be able to either.

As for 'Group Think' (if that is what you are accusing every Ron Paul supporter of doing when voting third party), then it is obvious you know little about this revolution.

EndTheFed
10-16-2008, 12:57 PM
Do whatever you want. If everything this movement has said and done has not been able to convince you to vote your conscience, then no amount of posts from me will be able to either.

As for 'Group Think' (if that is what you are accusing every Ron Paul supporter of doing when voting third party), then it is obvious you know little about this revolution.

Wrong I'm all for the revolution. People can look at evidence an come to the same conclusions. no problem with that. BUT

I have had too many discussions her and been railed at, cursed told to leave and calle a republican shill andcalled a troll for having a different opinion and alot of the arguments obviously came from group think which this movemet seems to have so much knowledge of.

TER
10-16-2008, 01:02 PM
Wrong I'm all for the revolution. People can look at evidence an come to the same conclusions. no problem with that. BUT

I have had too many discussions her and been railed at, cursed told to leave and calle a republican shill andcalled a troll for having a different opinion and alot of the arguments obviously came from group think which this movemet seems to have so much knowledge of.

I respect your decision. I'm just saddened by it.

Feenix566
10-16-2008, 01:07 PM
McCain is behind by about 200 electoral votes on this map:

http://www.politico.com/convention/swingstate.html

Crowish
10-16-2008, 01:10 PM
Sometimes I think there is "battered voter syndrome." That's the only thing I can think of why people persist in supporting the demopublican 2-party state. I deserve to have the crap beat out of me.

ItsTime
10-16-2008, 01:10 PM
Hmmmm Ahh you are really Ms Cleo....


Tell me how you figure this...

You have no idea how politics works do you?

EndTheFed
10-16-2008, 01:54 PM
You have no idea how politics works do you?

What the hell are you talking about...

Explain to me how mccain geting elected this time keeps C$L from winning in 2012?

torchbearer
10-16-2008, 01:56 PM
What the hell are you talking about...

Explain to me how mccain geting elected this time keeps C$L from winning in 2012?

List one successful presidential candidate that ran against the incumbent president in the same party.

EndTheFed
10-16-2008, 02:02 PM
List one successful presidential candidate that ran against the incumbent president in the same party.

C4L does not have to run GOP.. I don't really think McCain would run again anyway... If you relly wanted to make a differnce if mc won you would work on palin to win her over completely... she is already open and likes RP
.

torchbearer
10-16-2008, 02:08 PM
C4L does not have to run GOP.. I don't really think McCain would run again anyway... If you rellywantesd to make a differnce if mc wonn would be t continue to work on palin ti win her over completely... she is already open and likes RP
.

To win a nomination takes an organization that spans all 50 states.
Currently the C4L is building an organization within the GOP. It would be impossible for them to win in the democratic party. They would be seen as outsiders, cause all the leaders are GOP, and they won't have a 50 state organization within the Democratic Party.
Palin sold out to sit chummy with the neocons. She would join our movement, only after we are in power... because that is what people like her do... follow the crumbs to power.
She has no principles or she wouldn't be holding McCain's hand.

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y57/kb7rky/FARK%20Photos/failboat3.jpg

Flash
10-16-2008, 02:09 PM
C4L does not have to run GOP.. I don't really think McCain would run again anyway... If you relly wanted to make a differnce if mc won you would work on palin to win her over completely... she is already open and likes RP
.
There is no one in the Democratic party that really shares Ron Pauls views. That's why there needs to be an Obama win so Gary Johnson or someone can run in 2012.

EndTheFed
10-16-2008, 02:10 PM
To win a nomination takes an organization that spans all 50 states.
Currently the C4L is building an organization within the GOP. It would be impossible for them to win in the democratic party. They would be seen as outsiders, cause all the leaders are GOP, and they won't have a 50 state organization within the Democratic Party.
Palin sold out to sit chummy with the neocons. She would join our movement, only after we are in power... because that is what people like her do... follow the crumbs to power.
She has no principles or she wouldn't be holding McCain's hand.

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y57/kb7rky/FARK%20Photos/failboat3.jpg

I COMPLETELY disagree with your uninformed assessment of palin.

torchbearer
10-16-2008, 02:13 PM
I COMPLETELY disagree with your uninformed assessment of palin.

Why wouldn't Ron endorse McCain?

EndTheFed
10-16-2008, 02:15 PM
Why wouldn't Ron endorse McCain?

What? no one asked RP to endorse or not endorse mccain.

torchbearer
10-16-2008, 02:26 PM
What? no one asked RP to endorse or not endorse mccain.

Phil Gramm asked Ron Paul to endorse McCain.
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2008/09/ron-paul-to-phi.html

torchbearer
10-16-2008, 02:51 PM
...

EndTheFed
10-16-2008, 02:54 PM
I was talking about in this thread...

torchbearer
10-16-2008, 03:01 PM
I was talking about in this thread...

And I was talking about Palin not having any principles and illustrated how you can prove such a thing by comparing her to Ron Paul.
One would not sacrifice principle to hold hands with McCain... the other one would.

EndTheFed
10-16-2008, 03:03 PM
And I was talking about Palin not having any principles and illustrated how you can prove such a thing by comparing her to Ron Paul.
One would not sacrifice principle to hold hands with McCain... the other one would.

Makes absolutly no sense...

torchbearer
10-16-2008, 03:04 PM
Makes absolutly no sense...

To someone who has the IQ of a rock. :rolleyes:

EndTheFed
10-16-2008, 03:06 PM
To someone who has the IQ of a rock. :rolleyes:

Oh.. that is real classy...

Sorry can I see your MENSA credentials ?

libertarian4321
10-16-2008, 03:52 PM
No- tones is a mccain voter, doesn't like to see anything that shows mccain losing.

+1

He can't deal with reality.

McCain is losing for a lot of reasons, but I think his recent turn to "throwing shit against the wall" is the last straw. Every time he, Palin, or their surrogates yell "HUSSEIN HUSSEIN HUSSEIN" or "ayers" or "MUSLIM" or "arab" or "terrorist", they lose votes, because the American people see Obama as a decent family man, even if they don't agree with his politics- they see McCain's attacks for what they are- cheap shots from a desperate, angry old man who's got nothing left.

I hope tones doesn't have a gun at his house, because if he does, election day may not end well...

nate895
10-16-2008, 04:20 PM
The best I can see for McCain is a 270-268 win, and that is pushing it. That would be the case if Virginia, New Mexico, and all the swing states but Colorado went into his camp. I suppose it is possible to get a McCain 304-234 McCain win, but that would include Pennsylvania voting GOP as well, and that isn't likely.

libertarian4321
10-16-2008, 04:52 PM
Oh.. that is real classy...

Sorry can I see your MENSA credentials ?

I have MENSA credentials, and then some.

I agree with the other guy.

EndTheFed
10-17-2008, 12:20 AM
I have MENSA credentials, and then some.

I agree with the other guy.

That was to tourch... so if you do then I would assume you would not have to stoop to say

"To someone who has the IQ of a rock."

I would assume you to be able to come up with a better argument then that.

Fox McCloud
10-17-2008, 12:42 AM
I'm still expecting this to turn out totally different than anyone thought, States wise...ultimately, I think Obama will win, but I think he'll lose a few States that he was otherwise expecting to get (ie: New Hampshire).

I don't think it'll be quite the "landslide" victory everyone thinks...as MSNBC pointed out, this is the "perfect storm" for pollsters...and even they are admitting their data might not be all that accurate or valuable this go around due to some unique factors.

Alawn
10-17-2008, 12:57 AM
Obama will probably get 360-400 electoral votes and win in a landslide. I hate McCain. And I also hate Obama maybe a little more. And no I didn't vote for either. I sent in my mail in vote for Barr (Baldwin wasn't even on the ballot in my state so don't start about that). There is no way McCain could possibly win unless there was massive cheating.

Pauls' Revere
10-17-2008, 01:14 AM
This shows Obama with 344 electorals and McCan't with 164, for what it's worth.

http://news.yahoo.com/election/2008/dashboard

EndTheFed
10-17-2008, 01:19 AM
This shows Obama with 344 electorals and McCan't with 164, for what it's worth.

http://news.yahoo.com/election/2008/dashboard

It aint over yet... damn if yall had been the revolutionaries.. yall would have quit to early... the odds were against them too.

Kacey
10-17-2008, 09:45 AM
You said you agreed with my post, if thats the case then you have to agree that McCain is not the revolution, we are. Educate people thats what our job has to be regardless of who wins. So for all the energy that we have waisted on this topic and all the energy we would waist helping McCain would be lost. Like I said vote for who you want but remember the end goal.

EndTheFed
10-17-2008, 09:48 AM
You said you agreed with my post, if thats the case then you have to agree that McCain is not the revolution, we are. Educate people thats what our job has to be regardless of who wins. So for all the energy that we have waisted on this topic and all the energy we would waist helping McCain would be lost. Like I said vote for who you want but remember the end goal.

I do continuously promote this movement...

Lighten up.. have some fun...

DAFTEK
10-17-2008, 09:50 AM
McCain is a communist.

So is Obama...:rolleyes:

torchbearer
10-17-2008, 09:54 AM
So is Obama...:rolleyes:

Yeah, I know.
They are both communist.

Take my words out of context.
I was talking to someone who believes McCain is a good guy and Obama is the evil communist. I was explaining that McCain is also a communist.

Please continue in taking my words out of the context of their previous conversations, You aren't the first, nor the last.

DAFTEK
10-17-2008, 10:03 AM
Yeah, I know.
They are both communist.

Take my words out of context.
I was talking to someone who believes McCain is a good guy and Obama is the evil communist. I was explaining that McCain is also a communist.

Please continue in taking my words out of the context of their previous conversations, You aren't the first, nor the last.

I'm not taking it out of context or attacking you so chill out, that was the first thing you posted.... :rolleyes:

At least you agree they are both communists... :D

I don't understand why some still fight for who would be better or why it would make a difference who wins, If more people would just concentrate on voting 3rd party then by 2012 we might make an upgrade in the revolution. I just put everything aside and vote the true lesser evil, "BOB BARR" :p

If both Dem and Rep voters would switch to 3rd party then who is the majority?

EndTheFed
10-17-2008, 10:04 AM
I'm not taking it out of context or attacking you so chill out, that was the first thing you posted.... :rolleyes:

At least you agree they are both communists... :D

I don't understand why some still fight for who would be better or why it would make a difference who wins, If more people would just concentrate on voting 3rd party then by 2012 e might make an upgrade in the revolution. I just put everything aside and vote the true lesser evil, "BOB BARR" :p

If both Dem and Rep voters would switch to 3rd party then who is the majority?


The difference is the supreme court appointees...

torchbearer
10-17-2008, 10:07 AM
As long as people believe its a wasted vote, they will continue to waste their vote on the Dems and Reps.
There is the background noise douchebag who is trying to convince people that voting third party is a wasted vote.

Neocon shill needs to go rape a kitten or something...

ItsTime
10-17-2008, 10:07 AM
It aint over yet... damn if yall had been the revolutionaries.. yall would have quit to early... the odds were against them too.

You are mistaken in thinking that we want McCain to win. Most of us know that it really does not matter. And the best odds we have for getting a liberty candidate in office in 2012 is by having Obama win.

DAFTEK
10-17-2008, 10:08 AM
The difference is the supreme court appointees...

Yeah, i know, but come on, we are screwed anyway you look at it. Maybe its a good thing if Dems take power, this way they can fuckup so bad people would revolt and wake up. I say the more evil they are the better for the revolution :p

EndTheFed
10-17-2008, 11:57 AM
You are mistaken in thinking that we want McCain to win. Most of us know that it really does not matter. And the best odds we have for getting a liberty candidate in office in 2012 is by having Obama win.

Ron Paul Says McCain would be better for the country

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9_yjImzwuIU

libertarian4321
10-17-2008, 12:23 PM
Ron Paul Says McCain would be better for the country

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9_yjImzwuIU

He most certainly did NOT say "McCain would be better for the country".

Essentially, all RP said was gridlock was better than Dems winning congress and the Presidency.

Hence, we can change that by voting for Republicans for Congress, it does not mean we have to vote for a vile SOB like McCain.

What Ron Paul actually said was "Even with all the shortcomings of John McCain, his strongest argument to be President is keeping Congress and the Presidency in separate hands- the American people are going to be better off if they are fighting a little bit instead of having no restraints whatsoever. Thats a poor reason to argue for McCain. Its a poor argument for McCain."

I'm voting Republican for congress, but there is no way in HELL I'm voting for a warmongering scumbag like John McCain for President!

EndTheFed
10-17-2008, 12:30 PM
He most certainly did NOT say "McCain would be better for the country".


He most certainly DID the question asked at 3:05 into it.. he sure did



Essentially, all RP said was gridlock was better than Dems winning congress and the Presidency.

Hence, we can change that by voting for Republicans for Congress, it does not mean we have to vote for a vile SOB like McCain.

What Ron Paul actually said was "Even with all the shortcomings of John McCain, his strongest argument to be President is keeping Congress and the Presidency in separate hands- the American people are going to be better off if they are fighting a little bit instead of having no restraints whatsoever. Thats a poor reason to argue for McCain. Its a poor argument for McCain."

I'm voting Republican for congress, but there is no way in HELL I'm voting for a warmongering scumbag like John McCain for President!

cheapseats
10-17-2008, 02:56 PM
You are mistaken in thinking that we want McCain to win. Most of us know that it really does not matter. And the best odds we have for getting a liberty candidate in office in 2012 is by having Obama win.

I'm pretty sure the next for years are going to suck for most people, regardless who is at the helm. The buck stops in the Oval Office. The fallout of the last Administration will reign down on the next Administration.

If the economy worsens and worsens under Big Social Spender Barack Obama, it is AT LEAST as likely that the Old Neoconservative Guard...think shark, always in motion, always on the hunt...will be able to sell America's need to return to their "real" Republicanism than that the people will rise in demand of liberty. Why? Because more and more and more people's livelihoods will depend upon Big Government. Federal Workforce is a prime feature of Obama's economic plans.

People want things to be different, but they don't personally want to change. No one offers to lose their job for The Cause.

cheapseats
10-17-2008, 03:01 PM
Yeah, i know, but come on, we are screwed anyway you look at it. Maybe its a good thing if Dems take power, this way they can fuckup so bad people would revolt and wake up. I say the more evil they are the better for the revolution :p

Or, the people will grow completely demoralized and dependent while the Rovian Machine uses a one-term hapless presidency featuring a Democratic Spend-A-Thon to re-tool, re-organize and re-energize. Bear in mind, they can lure the next generation of slick, insincere politicos and professionals with their track record of high-flying, risk-free living on Other People's Money.

RickyJ
10-17-2008, 03:01 PM
There is no way McCain can win

That's exactly the what the elite want people to think. Then if McCain does win they will get the riots they have been preparing for to take more of our freedoms away. The elite play us all for fools. They openly laugh at us.

cheapseats
10-17-2008, 03:06 PM
[QUOTE=libertarian4321;1769940]
Essentially, all RP said was gridlock was better than Dems winning congress and the Presidency.
/QUOTE]

A Ranking Person from Barron's said the as much on TV a few months back, that the market fares best when the Legislature and the President are opponents rather than co-conspirators...though he said only "different parties." ;)

Gridlock being the reason. Uncertainty is bad for business. When you know that Government is notorious for error, inefficiency and corruption, then knowing that Congress and the President will take a lot longer to get less done is reassuring to investors.

cheapseats
10-17-2008, 03:08 PM
The elite play us all for fools. They openly laugh at us.

It's true.

They seemed to be having a lovely time at last night's Roast, dontcha think? Lots of smiles and sparklies. It would be interesting to learn the cost of the Event.

V-rod
10-17-2008, 11:52 PM
Obama spent his whole life being close friends with Marxist sympathizers, but McCAIN is more communist than him! LOL!!

Original_Intent
10-18-2008, 12:04 AM
That's exactly the what the elite want people to think. Then if McCain does win they will get the riots they have been preparing for to take more of our freedoms away. The elite play us all for fools. They openly laugh at us.

I posted this exact thought some time ago. Maybe they will even throw Diebold under the bus in order to get their riots.

heavenlyboy34
10-18-2008, 12:07 AM
Obama spent his whole life being close friends with Marxist sympathizers, but McCAIN is more communist than him! LOL!!

Methinks McShame was brainwashed by the commies while in prison. :eek::(:mad: Looks like we'll be up to 3 communist presidents in a row this year whether McShame or Obama wins! :(

D.H.
10-18-2008, 10:31 AM
HeavenlyBoy;

I have heard about the Manchurian Candidate evidence too. This article talks about the psychiatrist who was consulted on the writing of the book. Years later he watched hours of CSpan POW testimony with McCain and he is convinced McCain is brainwashed.

This isn't just the opinion of someone on a message board....but a doctor who observed him for hours (the same way they come up with a diagnosis in their office)

(from article)

In 1949 Dr. Andrew Salter authored Conditioned Reflex Therapy, a pioneering work in the field of psychoanalysis. Ten years later, as Richard Condon was writing The Manchurian Candidate, he asked Dr. Salter to help "design" the brainwashed character for the book and subsequent movie.

More than 40 years later, in 1992, during the C-SPAN broadcasts of the Senate Select Committee on POW/MIA Affairs, Dr. Salter watched the hearings from his New York City apartment. Salter became fascinated with McCain's overly aggressive and angry behavior toward witnesses, especially family members of men still missing in action. After a few hours he called a friend telling her, "the signs are all there, I'm afraid Senator John McCain has been brainwashed."

http://www.usvetdsp.com/mar08/mccain_manchurian.htm

torchbearer
10-18-2008, 01:59 PM
HeavenlyBoy;

I have heard about the Manchurian Candidate evidence too. This article talks about the psychiatrist who was consulted on the writing of the book. Years later he watched hours of CSpan POW testimony with McCain and he is convinced McCain is brainwashed.

This isn't just the opinion of someone on a message board....but a doctor who observed him for hours (the same way they come up with a diagnosis in their office)

(from article)

In 1949 Dr. Andrew Salter authored Conditioned Reflex Therapy, a pioneering work in the field of psychoanalysis. Ten years later, as Richard Condon was writing The Manchurian Candidate, he asked Dr. Salter to help "design" the brainwashed character for the book and subsequent movie.

More than 40 years later, in 1992, during the C-SPAN broadcasts of the Senate Select Committee on POW/MIA Affairs, Dr. Salter watched the hearings from his New York City apartment. Salter became fascinated with McCain's overly aggressive and angry behavior toward witnesses, especially family members of men still missing in action. After a few hours he called a friend telling her, "the signs are all there, I'm afraid Senator John McCain has been brainwashed."

http://www.usvetdsp.com/mar08/mccain_manchurian.htm

makes sense now.

Freedom 4 all
10-21-2008, 08:48 AM
Why do you consistantly go to communist liberal websites for your information? Try zogby or rasmussen...these are true polling sites. tones

No, hard neocon right does not equal impartial.