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ForrestLayne
10-12-2008, 06:31 PM
http://www.dailypaul.com/node/68662

Vote Waterman 2028
10-12-2008, 06:37 PM
damn. I highly doubt he could have become a senator, much less get into harvard with that full ride unless he had legit birth certificates. If this were true though, that would be some CRAZY shit. Not only would there be civil unrest, most likely tension between blacks and whites. Then they might even have to cancel the election. OR WOULD HILLARY BECOME THE CANDIDATE :eek: ?

rbu
10-12-2008, 06:40 PM
Rules? Who cares about rules? :rolleyes:

Bruno
10-12-2008, 06:42 PM
This election season just keeps getting crazier and crazier.

Razorback Fan
10-12-2008, 06:43 PM
Sigh...well, anyway, back to topics that really matter.

Kludge
10-12-2008, 06:43 PM
I was born in a hospital.

Truth Warrior
10-12-2008, 06:46 PM
I was born in a hospital. I know, because you wanted to be close to your mother. :rolleyes:

Vote Waterman 2028
10-12-2008, 06:53 PM
Sigh...well, anyway, back to topics that really matter.

How is this unimportant ?

although im sure most of us disagree with an obama presidency, if this is true that might mean a straight shot for McCain to the white house. Or the dreaded cancelled election we here about on here so much....

gilliganscorner
10-12-2008, 07:03 PM
If he was, MSM would suppress it. They have way too vested an interest in carrying the appearance of an actual race now, as they have been told to ensure the public buys it.

Why do you think they did not touch McCain with this (http://rawstory.com/news/2008/McCain_temper_boiled_over_in_92_0407.html):


Three reporters from Arizona, on the condition of anonymity, also let me in on another incident involving McCain's intemperateness. In his 1992 Senate bid, McCain was joined on the campaign trail by his wife, Cindy, as well as campaign aide Doug Cole and consultant Wes Gullett. At one point, Cindy playfully twirled McCain's hair and said, "You're getting a little thin up there." McCain's face reddened, and he responded, "At least I don't plaster on the makeup like a trollop, you cunt." McCain's excuse was that it had been a long day. If elected president of the United States, McCain would have many long days.

And lose their [pro|an]tagonist?

Razorback Fan
10-12-2008, 07:03 PM
Listen, if TPTB want to cancel the election and declare martial law, or whatever, it's going to happen whether Obama was born in Kenya, or Wall Street collapses, or Cheney's dog speaks to him with the voice of God. Why is small potatoes. When and what to do are the discussions that matter.

Ninja Homer
10-12-2008, 07:26 PM
And McCain was born in Panama. My guess is that nothing will come of this, although I think this is a very serious issue.

What are the chances Bush just declares himself winner by default?

Hold your tongue out as far as you can and say, "George Bush was born on a pirate ship." Really, do it now. :D

Razorback Fan
10-12-2008, 07:35 PM
Hold your tongue out as far as you can and say, "George Bush was born on a pirate ship." Really, do it now. :D

Nah, it doesn't sound right unless you say, "George Bush IS a pirate ship." :p

ForrestLayne
10-12-2008, 07:46 PM
And McCain was born in Panama. My guess is that nothing will come of this, although I think this is a very serious issue.

What are the chances Bush just declares himself winner by default?

Hold your tongue out as far as you can and say, "George Bush was born on a pirate ship." Really, do it now. :D

I'm a Paulite for sure, but McCain was born in U.S. Territory to 2 U.S. citizens, one of whom was station in the canal zone. I feel like any child born to a U.S. military person on a U.S. Military base should be considered a natural citizen. However, if they are born off base, outside the U.S., BY CHOICE like some celebrities have done lately, then NO. Emergency birth should be treated as a natural citizen.

Just my opinion

Ninja Homer
10-12-2008, 07:48 PM
Nah, it doesn't sound right unless you say, "George Bush IS a pirate ship." :p

:D

Ninja Homer
10-12-2008, 07:51 PM
I'm a Paulite for sure, but McCain was born in U.S. Territory to 2 U.S. citizens, one of whom was station in the canal zone. I feel like any child born to a U.S. military person on a U.S. Military base should be considered a natural citizen. However, if they are born off base, outside the U.S., BY CHOICE like some celebrities have done lately, then NO. Emergency birth should be treated as a natural citizen.

Just my opinion

Yeah, I agree on that. But seriously, there's over 300 million people in this country. Can't we get some candidates in the 2 major parties that were at least born on US soil?

ForrestLayne
10-12-2008, 07:57 PM
Yeah, I agree on that. But seriously, there's over 300 million people in this country. Can't we get some candidates in the 2 major parties that were at least born on US soil?


I think we could get 4 more qualified people from MANY PLACES in the U.S. - No wonder the world laughs at us.

Can we as a country get more laughable than the major candidates running for president.... it is a sad joke that they are the "best" we got.

Damn embarrassing and pitiful.

qh4dotcom
10-12-2008, 08:23 PM
Factcheck.org, a highly credible source, claims that Obama was born in the US and it has physically touched and examined Obama's US birth certificate

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html

Sandra
10-12-2008, 08:30 PM
I was born in a hospital.

Why? Were you sick? :p

Alawn
10-12-2008, 08:32 PM
Factcheck.org, a highly credible source, claims that Obama was born in the US and it has physically touched and examined Obama's US birth certificate

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html

I remember reading about the birth certificate being examined and it was a really bad forgery that was totally obvious.

Join The Paul Side
10-12-2008, 08:44 PM
I really don't know what to make of this. Wouldn't the FBI, CIA, NSA, etc, have conducted their own investigation by now to determine if Obama is truly a citizen or not? He has gotten this far, I'd like to think that they have. After all, this guy is only running for President of the United States. :rolleyes:

ForrestLayne
10-12-2008, 08:45 PM
Factcheck.org, a highly credible source, claims that Obama was born in the US and it has physically touched and examined Obama's US birth certificate

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html

WRONG

Google "factcheck Obama"

Obama sat on the board of the foundation that donated over $60 million to factcheck.

No conflict of interest there.......HA

They also physically touched and examined FAXED or SCANNED copies of this proported birth certificate NOT an original.

nate895
10-12-2008, 08:48 PM
WRONG

Google "factcheck Obama"

Obama sat on the board of the foundation that donated over $60 million to factcheck.

No conflict of interest there.......HA

They also physically touched and examined FAXED or SCANNED copies of this proported birth certificate NOT an original.

That's like saying "I touched and examined the Holy Grail*."

*A Replica of the Holy Grail

RockEnds
10-12-2008, 08:48 PM
The video link on the DP does bring up some interesting points.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gA6_k3NtXZs

qh4dotcom
10-12-2008, 09:37 PM
WRONG

Google "factcheck Obama"

Obama sat on the board of the foundation that donated over $60 million to factcheck.

No conflict of interest there.......HA

They also physically touched and examined FAXED or SCANNED copies of this proported birth certificate NOT an original.

Even if that were to be true....Barack Obama thinks the laws of the Constitution do not apply to him...he voted against the 4th amendment back in June...and good luck finding a court that will enforce the Constitution laws.

Vote Waterman 2028
10-12-2008, 09:39 PM
The video link on the DP does bring up some interesting points.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gA6_k3NtXZs

Im surprised fox and friends hasn't jumped on this one lol

If that is true, that is going to be a big issue if found in the courts that he is not a legal citizen.

afmatt
10-12-2008, 09:46 PM
http://www.obamacrimes.com for more details on the lawsuit.

libertarian4321
10-12-2008, 09:50 PM
I'm a Paulite for sure, but McCain was born in U.S. Territory to 2 U.S. citizens, one of whom was station in the canal zone. I feel like any child born to a U.S. military person on a U.S. Military base should be considered a natural citizen. However, if they are born off base, outside the U.S., BY CHOICE like some celebrities have done lately, then NO. Emergency birth should be treated as a natural citizen.

Just my opinion

Panama was NOT a "US Territory". It was part of the nation of Panama.

The "canal zone" was Panamanian property LEASED to the USA (the USA paid the government of Panama a yearly "rent" to use the territory) under dual control.

lasenorita
10-12-2008, 09:57 PM
What I'd like to know is how an eighteen-year-old mother managed to smuggle her newborn baby to the United States. Am I to believe that it's easier to fake a U.S. birth certificate with the Hawai'ian government than faking a Kenyan one? :rolleyes: Also, keep in mind that Obama had to have faked his American citizenship at a very early age in order for him to have obtained an American passport to travel and live in Indonesia.

But whoa! Obama must have been working hard on his plans for total world domination even then. I sure wish the Campaign For Liberty has that much foresight and initiative! ;):D

libertarian4321
10-12-2008, 09:59 PM
I really don't know what to make of this. Wouldn't the FBI, CIA, NSA, etc, have conducted their own investigation by now to determine if Obama is truly a citizen or not? He has gotten this far, I'd like to think that they have. After all, this guy is only running for President of the United States. :rolleyes:

Of course Obama was born in the USA- even the people who spread this stuff don't really believe otherwise.

This is another "throw shit against the wall" strategy by the McCain camp to make Obama appear "foreign" or "scary."

They know that with the economy tanking, McCain is DOA unless they do something dramatic. McCain's crew knews they can't beat Obama in the debates or on the issues.

So what do they have left? About all they can do is go with "HUSSEIN HUSSEIN HUSSEIN" or "Secret MUSLIM?" or "Reverend Wright!" or "He's an Arab" or "Ayers" or "born in Mombasa" or "terrorist" or whatever else they can come up with shy of actually yelling "******," which is what they really want to do.

Stick a fork in McCain, he's done...

Mini-Me
10-12-2008, 10:00 PM
I somehow doubt this is true. Still, because the election season has already been so ridiculous, the economy is already burning to the ground, and we're probably about ready to plunge into some of the worst tyranny ever...I'd almost love for this to be true. I mean, seriously, at this point, does it even matter? Why not add another factor to make the scenario even more over-the-top and ludicrous? :rolleyes: That way, before the true horror of our situation sets in, the brief moment of hilarity will be much more satisfying when I sit back and watch the drama unfold with morbid Carlin-esque curiosity. :-/

libertarian4321
10-12-2008, 10:00 PM
What I'd like to know is how an eighteen-year-old mother managed to smuggle her newborn baby to the United States. Am I to believe that it's easier to fake a U.S. birth certificate with the Hawai'ian government than faking a Kenyan one? :rolleyes: Also, keep in mind that Obama had to have faked his American citizenship at a very early age in order for him to have obtained an American passport to travel and live in Indonesia.

But whoa! Obama must have been working hard on his plans for total world domination even then. I sure wish the Campaign For Liberty has that much foresight and initiative! ;):D

Don't let facts or logic get in the way of a good "right wing crazy" rant!

afmatt
10-12-2008, 10:02 PM
This is another "throw shit against the wall" strategy by the McCain camp to make Obama appear "foreign" or "scary."


Actually the guy doing the lawsuit is a Hillary supporter ;)

ForrestLayne
10-12-2008, 10:04 PM
Panama was NOT a "US Territory". It was part of the nation of Panama.

The "canal zone" was Panamanian property LEASED to the USA (the USA paid the government of Panama a yearly "rent" to use the territory) under dual control.

I realize that - the point is McCain was born to a military family on U.S. controlled land and is considered a natural born citizen. By that standard anyone else born of U.S. citizens stationed on U.S. bases should be considered the same. If someone is serving our country, I just don't think we should penalize their children for that. However, freely choosing birth outside the U.S. is different. The child should be a citizen by parents, but not natural born.

RockEnds
10-12-2008, 10:08 PM
I don't understand why he doesn't just submit the paperwork. If they want to go into the vault, let them go into the vault.

I do know that as an adoptee, my birth certificate is stamped by the state and looks completely legitimate. It's not, though. It's an altered birth certificate, and if someone were to go into the vault, they would find court paperwork and another, original, sealed birth certificate attached to my legal but altered certificate.

If I were to run for office and someone were to question the actual place of my birth, I would completely understand their desire to open my birth records. Given the fact that apparently he attended school in a foreign country under a different last name, I think it would be appropriate for him to want to prove his birth legally.

But, that's just me--the owner of an altered birth certificate.

libertarian4321
10-12-2008, 10:18 PM
I realize that - the point is McCain was born to a military family on U.S. controlled land and is considered a natural born citizen. By that standard anyone else born of U.S. citizens stationed on U.S. bases should be considered the same. If someone is serving our country, I just don't think we should penalize their children for that. However, freely choosing birth outside the U.S. is different. The child should be a citizen by parents, but not natural born.

Actually, there is some debate as to whether military brats are considered citizens by birth (natural born, as required to be President) or citizens by law (naturalized). It has never been decided in court, and the Constitution did not address the issue, given that the founders never envisioned an "American EMPIRE" with American soldiers serving in most nations of the world.

It's safe to say that a McCain supporter like Berg isn't going to pursue that issue in court, though, lol.

Speaking of the utter ineptitude of the McCain-Palin campaign, did anyone see Palin's appearance at the Philadelphia Flyers hockey game this weekend? She was sent out (the Flyer's owner is a McCain supporter) to drop the ceremonial first puck. She god BOOed so loudly that they had to play loud music to cover it up.

Apparently, some hockey fans in the swing state of PA aren't liking what they see in the self-proclaimed "hockey mom."

The GOP could have nominated a qualified candidate (Ron Paul), instead they nominated a raging prick like John McCain.

I've gotta tell 'ya, I'm going to laugh my ass off when McCain goes down in flames!

Menthol Patch
10-13-2008, 12:31 AM
Obama must be removed from the race.

lynnf
10-13-2008, 02:44 AM
the requirement for natural citizenship for president may be the last viable shred of the constitution. if Obama proves to be ineligible and wins the election and takes office anyway, what value will the constitution have if this most basic requirement is ignored?

I certainly don't trust either Congress or the courts to handle this properly, given their recent track records. what will we do if this happens, you defenders of the constitution?

lynn

gilliganscorner
10-13-2008, 05:20 AM
Obama must be removed from the race.

Won't happen. The "race" is a media fabrication and a deflection. MSM reporters get their news from each other. Minor stories that create so-called "scandals" without serious jeopardizing the "race" are allowed.

Serious fact-based technicolor train-derailing disqualifications will be suppressed, ignored, and outright censored.

lynnf
10-13-2008, 05:25 AM
Serious fact-based technicolor train-derailing disqualifications will be suppressed, ignored, and outright censored.



then maybe we need to give them something they can't ignore.


check out Captain Midnight!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zFlMHCdYXLM

lynn

werdd
10-13-2008, 05:27 AM
^ like obama limo sex guy?

Seriously though neither mccain or obama are natural born citizens of the USA like me. I was born here.

Disqualify them both, let ron paul and kucinich run ! w00t.

Razorback Fan
10-13-2008, 05:32 AM
If McCain had to drop out for any reason, the GOP would nominate Romney as his replacement. I'll bet you $20 right now.

And of course it would be Hillary in place of Obama.

But neither will happen. I know that because although I, too, am I conspiracy nut, my conspiracies are different from yours.

lynnf
10-13-2008, 05:32 AM
^ like obama limo sex guy?

Seriously though neither mccain or obama are natural born citizens of the USA like me. I was born here.

Disqualify them both, let ron paul and kucinich run ! w00t.


I agree, but we may be lucky to get only one of them disqualified. and Obama seems the most likely at this point.

lynn

gilliganscorner
10-13-2008, 05:34 AM
then maybe we need to give them something they can't ignore.

lynn

Doesn't matter. They manufacture the reality for the masses. Who's gonna touch it first? Rolling Stone?...maybe - are they Obama supporters? We would have to find a media outlet that is sufficiently large circulation that hasn't been subverted by Viacom/Disney/TimeWarner etc etc.

If and when one does, and they agree to run the story, the big six media companies might have to run it.

Publishing it on dailypaul, alexjones, C4L, etc etc is going to do squat.

Razorback Fan
10-13-2008, 05:38 AM
Is Reason big enough? Probably not.

gilliganscorner
10-13-2008, 06:08 AM
then maybe we need to give them something they can't ignore.


check out Captain Midnight!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zFlMHCdYXLM

lynn

Just looked at your signature w.r.t all the 9/11 sites. You should know this best. If you had an iron clad case showing that 9/11 was an inside job but mainstream refuses to publish it what are the masses reality?

Whatever mainstream tells them it is. In the future, assuming the economy hasn't imploded, it will be interesting how many people stop going to MSM for news.

But people, as are we, have been conditioned to look to others for "thought leadership". That would be a big jewel to pluck from MSM, they wouldn't allow it.

freelance
10-13-2008, 07:07 AM
^ like obama limo sex guy?

Seriously though neither mccain or obama are natural born citizens of the USA like me. I was born here.

Disqualify them both, let ron paul and kucinich run ! w00t.

Wouldn't that be a dream come true? I could live with either, compared to our current selections.

RickyJ
10-13-2008, 07:18 AM
Rules? Who cares about rules? :rolleyes:

Rules are for the peasants.

Pericles
10-13-2008, 07:39 AM
Actually, there is some debate as to whether military brats are considered citizens by birth (natural born, as required to be President) or citizens by law (naturalized). It has never been decided in court, and the Constitution did not address the issue, given that the founders never envisioned an "American EMPIRE" with American soldiers serving in most nations of the world.



The only place that seems debatable is here.

Are Peurto Ricans US Citizens? Do military brats have no citizenship when they are born? Don't tell me they are citizens of the country in which they are born - other countries don't work like that. The USA is the only country that confers citizenship based on birth inside its territory.

Was Barry Goldwater eligible to run for President in 1964? He was born in a territory, not in a state (born before Arizona became a state). So the issue has already been faced over 40 years ago and settled.

itshappening
10-13-2008, 08:05 AM
Obama is a secret British agent, who, if he became president, would immediately establish a North American Union, throw out the constitution and establish socialist policies to rob Americans of their wealth

gilliganscorner
10-13-2008, 08:19 AM
Obama is a secret British agent, who, if he became president, would immediately establish a North American Union, throw out the constitution and establish socialist policies to rob Americans of their wealth

Said in my best Chandler Bing voice, "I KNEW IT!" ;)

itshappening
10-13-2008, 11:54 AM
how about this for a scenario :

Obama wins the election but the Supreme Court discovers he is not a natural born citizen and rules in favour of Mr. Berg. A majority of his electors then pledge to Bob Barr :p :eek: (more likely Nader)

1000-points-of-fright
10-13-2008, 01:50 PM
Naturalized = Non-citizen becomes a citizens through the immigration process.
Natural born = Born a citizen because one birth parent is a citizen.
Native born = Born a citizen on US soil.

ItsTime
10-13-2008, 02:01 PM
good video here

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showpost.php?p=1760563&postcount=38

JohnJay
10-13-2008, 02:13 PM
http://www.dailypaul.com/node/68662

http://i432.photobucket.com/albums/qq47/panamajohn/BO_Birth_Certificate.jpg

dwdollar
10-13-2008, 02:17 PM
http://i432.photobucket.com/albums/qq47/panamajohn/BO_Birth_Certificate.jpg

Never mind that big black box...

Move along, move along...

JohnJay
10-13-2008, 02:17 PM
Naturalized = Non-citizen becomes a citizens through the immigration process.
Natural born = Born a citizen because one birth parent is a citizen.
Native born = Born a citizen on US soil.

The US Supreme Court does not define a natural born citizen as "one birth parent a citizen".

The interpretation of U.S. Const. Art II,1 as intended in the drafting of the constitution is in fact "native" born,
and it is the only difference in the rights and privileges between a "statutory" citizen (like McCain is) and the native born citizens.

1000-points-of-fright
10-13-2008, 02:20 PM
More importantly... his mom's first name is Stanley???

JohnJay
10-13-2008, 02:24 PM
More importantly... his mom's first name is Stanley???

It clearly says MAIDEN name, but yes I guess she was called that. McCain's mom's maiden name is Wright.

http://i432.photobucket.com/albums/qq47/panamajohn/McCain20Certificate20120-2019361-1.jpg

ItsTime
10-13-2008, 02:27 PM
there is more to the lawsuit than where he was born. And again, what will he do with his power of presidency if he wont respond to this simple request?

JohnJay
10-13-2008, 02:29 PM
there is more to the lawsuit than where he was born. And again, what will he do with his power of presidency if he wont respond to this simple request?


No response needed to a Court with no jurisdiction - no need to produce his birth certificate to them, but a frivolous counter lawsuit is likely.

1000-points-of-fright
10-13-2008, 02:31 PM
It clearly says MAIDEN name, but yes I guess she was called that. McCain's mom's maiden name is Wright.

You missed the point entirely. McCain's mom's name is Roberta Wright. Wright is her surname. Obama's mom's surname is Dunham. Stanley Ann Dunham. Who the hell names a girl Stanley??

JohnJay
10-13-2008, 02:35 PM
You missed the point entirely. McCain's mom's name is Roberta Wright. Wright is her surname. Obama's mom's surname is Dunham. Stanley Ann Dunham. Who the hell names a girl Stanley??

The maternal grandparents of the 44th President I guess did name their daughter Stanley Ann.

from Wikipedia :
Stanley Ann Dunham Soetoro (November 29, 1942 – November 7, 1995), known as Ann Dunham, and later as Ann Sutoro . . .

http://i432.photobucket.com/albums/qq47/panamajohn/BO_Birth_Certificate.jpg

NewFederalist
10-13-2008, 03:55 PM
That is soooo FAKE! He wasn't really born at all!!

lynnf
10-13-2008, 07:10 PM
placed this in the other thread, might as well place it here, too.


techdude's analysis of the Obama certificate of live birth:

http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2008/07/atlas-exclusive.html

lynn

The_Orlonater
10-13-2008, 07:14 PM
So?

Pericles
10-13-2008, 08:27 PM
The only thing I find kind of interesting about it is listing the father's race as African instead of Negro. I thought the term African came into vogue with Jesse Jackson in the '80s, but maybe Hawaii was more progressive than the rest of the US.

Bradley in DC
10-15-2008, 08:17 PM
:mad:
http://reason.com/blog/show/129474.html