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torchbearer
10-12-2008, 04:25 PM
http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5gLBaEUjMtevno3eCncjjLYuozYVgD93P5UMO1

By LIZ SIDOTI – 2 hours ago

INDIANAPOLIS (AP) — Three weeks before the election, Republicans are growing increasingly concerned about John McCain's ability to mount a comeback, questioning his tactics and even his campaign's main thrust in a White House race increasingly focused on economic turmoil.

"He has to make the case that he's different than Bush and better than Obama on the economy," said former House Speaker Newt Gingrich, one of more than a dozen prominent Republicans who in interviews during the past week expressed concern over the course of McCain's bid. "If he doesn't win that case, it's all over, and it's going to be a very bad year for Republicans."

Several Republicans, who spoke on condition of anonymity to avoid angering McCain, said the campaign should have sought to plant doubts about Obama's associations with 1960s-era radical William Ayers and others months ago, rather than waiting until the campaign's final weeks. Doing so now, they said, makes the 72-year-old McCain come off as angry, grouchy and desperate, playing into Democrats' hands.

Rather, these Republicans said, McCain needs to strike a balance in his tone — appearing presidential while also questioning Obama's readiness to serve and judgment to lead. And, several said McCain should close the campaign on an honorable note.

"He doesn't need an attack strategy, he needs a comeback strategy," said Alex Castellanos, a longtime national GOP media consultant who worked for McCain primary rival Mitt Romney.

The unsolicited advice comes as McCain campaign officials are becoming increasingly discouraged. From junior aides to top advisers, the frustration is palpable. Some argue the media isn't giving McCain a fair shake and are weary of the increasingly problematic environment working against the GOP. Tensions have grown over how hard to go after Obama amid concerns about irreparably damaging McCain's straight-shooter reputation.

And the candidate himself, the target of a negative whisper campaign in the 2000 GOP primary, appears conflicted on the campaign trail. He's cheery and smiling during question-and-answer sessions with crowds but becomes visibly annoyed — even surly — when he reads aloud scripted attacks on Obama and Democrats.

Despite the polls showing Obama with a lead nationally and challenging for states long in the Republican column, none of the Republicans interviewed said the race was lost. They said McCain can prevail if he presents himself as the optimistic visionary the public wants at deeply worrisome economic times.

"He needs to come forward with a serious new plan and announce it in a serious manner," said Scott Reed, who managed Bob Dole's 1996 campaign. "McCain cannot outdo Obama in just expressing outrage over Wall Street greed."

The candidates meet Wednesday in their third and final debate; it's McCain's best chance to make a lasting impression.

"He has an opportunity to step up and be a forceful leader during these challenging times," said Ron Kaufman, a veteran party operative who also worked for Romney. "McCain got the nomination because that's what his brand is, but somehow it's gotten muddled."

Senior advisers insist McCain is trying to be such a leader. They note that his daily speeches are devoted heavily to the economy, including taxes and health care, and that he's been rolling out a series of prescriptions. They complain that McCain's not getting credit for those and argue that the media holds McCain to a higher standard than Obama, who they contend is getting a free pass.

Over the past week, McCain also has been assailing Obama's character in speeches and TV ads. They include one that, with little proof, accuses Obama of lying about his association with Ayers and assails Democrats as irresponsible liberals on the economy.

Some Republicans want McCain to keep it up, though strike a balance.

Michael Steele, the former Maryland lieutenant governor and chairman of the candidate-recruiting organization GOPAC, said McCain must reassure people with a "clear and concise" economic message but also needs to "smack the other guy around a little bit."

Ohio GOP chief Bob Bennett said the campaign must do more to "close the sale" on what McCain would do as president. But he also said: "I think he needs to get tougher."

Others say the only thing McCain can do is hope Obama makes a huge mistake or an outside event changes the race.

"Winning the campaign is totally out of McCain's hands," said Matthew Dowd, President Bush's senior political strategist in 2004, who now shuns the party label.

The campaign struggled to find the right fit last week.

First, running mate Sarah Palin accused Obama of "palling around with terrorists," a clear reference to Ayers, and suggested McCain would go after Obama in last week's debate. Instead, the GOP nominee rolled out a proposal that the government buy bad home-loan mortgages. That drew the ire of conservatives.

Said Gingrich: "I can't defend it."

Last Monday, McCain gave a blistering speech asking "Who is Barack Obama" and asserting that Obama was not candid and truthful. He stood by as unruly GOP crowds hurled insults at Obama.

On Friday, McCain called for the temporary suspension of the requirement that older investors liquidate their retirement accounts — and defended Obama as "a decent, family man" the public shouldn't fear. That day, McCain's campaign also came out with its hardest-hitting ad yet.

There have been internal disagreements over how far to go, with some advisers pressing McCain to criticize Obama on his relationship with his incendiary former pastor, the Rev. Jeremiah Wright. McCain earlier had ruled that out of bounds. Some advisers fear charges of racism.

One senior McCain adviser said the worry isn't just that McCain may lose but also that, in defeat, the attacks on Obama could cause long-term damage to McCain's image.

It's not clear whether it's concern about McCain's legacy that prompted the senator to defend Obama on Friday, and advisers insisted there wasn't a conscious decision to soften the criticism. One, Mark Salter, told reporters traveling with McCain: "He responded to questions he didn't think were appropriate."

There's been backlash to the negativity.

"He is not the McCain I endorsed," former Michigan Gov. William Milliken told The Grand Rapids Press, calling the tenor disappointing. "He ought to be talking about the issues."

Perhaps no place underscores McCain's woes better than Indiana, which hasn't voted for a Democrat in decades. Obama has spent an estimated $7 million on advertising there and polls show the race is tight. Republicans just went on the air.

"He's got a great story and a great case to make," Murray Clark, the state party chairman, said of McCain. "Has he made that yet? Not really."

ItsTime
10-12-2008, 04:28 PM
This just came across my google ticker. Why on earth would he talk about the issues? He knows nothing of them!

torchbearer
10-12-2008, 04:29 PM
This just came across my google ticker. Why on earth would he talk about the issues? He knows nothing of them!

What issues? They are the same as Obama's.
The only thing the both of them can talk about is who is the bigger piece of shit.

ItsTime
10-12-2008, 04:33 PM
What issues? They are the same as Obama's.
The only thing the both of them can talk about is who is the bigger piece of shit.

Well that too :D

Im just saying he knows nothing about economics how can he talk about them? And like you said if he starts talking people will realize these two are clowns but with different color face paint.
http://www.fotosearch.com/comp/DGV/DGV051/two-clowns-holding_~775017.jpg

tonesforjonesbones
10-12-2008, 04:39 PM
No matter what you say about Obama you're gonna be called a racist..so nobody should be paying attention to the race card anymore. It's clearly a tactic ACORN used..taught to them by Obama. I say keep hammering about Obama 's ties to communist terrorists...but McCain has FAILED to point out strongly enough the democrats role in this economic collapse...that Community Reinvestment Act , Barney Frank and Chris Dodd..Franklin Raines etc. I never thought McCain was a good candidate..he's not really even a republican..he's a RINO..and the RNC made the innitial mistake by forcing Romney to step out. Romney or Huckabee would have been MUCH better...of course, we all know Ron Paul was the best! tones

Matt Collins
10-12-2008, 05:33 PM
McCain blew an opportunity to win the election when he supported the bailout. Once he saw how popular it was, even if he was lying, he should've publicly opposed it. With calls of 100:1 into the Congressional offices and the Congressional mail servers being shut down, one would think that it's a hot button issue.

Either he is an idiot (I doubt that), or he isn't trying to win.


Someone in the GOP recently told me that 18% of the electorate is in play. Nevada, VA, FL, OH, and PA are the main swing states. It is looking like McCain will lose though.

D.H.
10-12-2008, 06:32 PM
I think McCain is throwing in the towel and voting for Obama :D LOL

RockEnds
10-12-2008, 06:41 PM
The McCain campaign did nothing to stand out during the primaries, and yet somehow he won. Maybe he's using the same strategy during the general election?

FindLiberty
10-12-2008, 06:45 PM
The GOP is toast... in 2008, 2010, 2012. Stick a fork in 'em, they're done!

torchbearer
10-12-2008, 06:47 PM
The GOP is toast... in 2008, 2010, 2012. Stick a fork in 'em, they're done!

You would have thought they'd learn their lesson after Bob Dole, yet they nominate someone who is 10 times as boring and 10 times dumber.

angelatc
10-12-2008, 06:48 PM
The McCain campaign did nothing to stand out during the primaries, and yet somehow he won. Maybe he's using the same strategy during the general election?

I keep having that same thought.

Truth Warrior
10-12-2008, 06:50 PM
When Obama wins, let's just begin a campaign to blame it all on the GOP for choosing a crappy POTUS nominee, that just can't win. ;) :D

FindLiberty
10-12-2008, 06:53 PM
When Obama wins, let's just begin a campaign to blame it all on the GOP for choosing a crappy POTUS nominee, that just can't win. ;) :D


Why wait?

Truth Warrior
10-12-2008, 07:07 PM
Why wait? Interesting idea. :) I suppose the preparations could begin. ;)

heavenlyboy34
10-12-2008, 07:10 PM
You would have thought they'd learn their lesson after Bob Dole, yet they nominate someone who is 10 times as boring and 10 times dumber.

Not to mention more inarticulate and inept! Even though Dole only had the one good arm, he managed to seem reasonably intelligent and thoughtful. (though I don't remember it that well-I was 15 at the time)

Somebody needs to start a betting pool-how many times will McShame use "my friends" or a variant between now and election day? :D

torchbearer
10-12-2008, 07:11 PM
Not to mention more inarticulate and inept! Even though Dole only had the one good arm, he managed to seem reasonably intelligent and thoughtful. (though I don't remember it that well-I was 15 at the time)

Somebody needs to start a betting pool-how many times will McShame use "my friends" or a variant between now and election day? :D

Dole had one good arm? That's more than McCain. McCain can't raise either of his arms because there were severely broken as a pow.

klamath
10-12-2008, 07:15 PM
McCain missed the one oportunity to set himself apart from Obama. Had he been a real leader and stood up on the senate floor and shouted "NO BAILOUT! PERIOD! he might have changed the picture entirely. I might have even barely thought of voting for him. He didn't. End of story.

FindLiberty
10-12-2008, 07:15 PM
Obama wins in '08. Then watch for this McCain ad in early 2009:

"My fellow prisoners, this little blue pill really made a difference in my...."

satchelmcqueen
10-12-2008, 07:49 PM
they should have went with Ron Paul like they were asked to by many more people than they will ever admit to.

just imagine Paul vs Obama in these debates.

would have been good and just total destruction for Obama

torchbearer
10-12-2008, 11:00 PM
they should have went with Ron Paul like they were asked to by many more people than they will ever admit to.

just imagine Paul vs Obama in these debates.

would have been good and just total destruction for Obama

intellegent iconoclast vs. well spoken demagogue full of slogans and platitudes.
what station would the debate be on?

New York For Paul
10-12-2008, 11:13 PM
In about three weeks, it looks like the republican party will be leaderless. Bush is on the way out, McCain is done.

Guess What, The GOP will be looking for new leadership, new chairman etc.

Mitch McConnel might lose, and conservatives are calling for Boehners head.

It will be the biggest reshuflling of party leadership in years, if not decades.

That is why Ron Paul supporters need to be more activated than ever to take over party positions.

torchbearer
10-12-2008, 11:15 PM
In about three weeks, it looks like the republican party will be leaderless. Bush is on the way out, McCain is done.

Guess What, The GOP will be looking for new leadership, new chairman etc.

Mitch McConnel might lose, and conservatives are calling for Boehners head.

It will be the biggest reshuflling of party leadership in years, if not decades.

That is why Ron Paul supporters need to be more activated than ever to take over party positions.

Exactly!
Most of our summer time soldiers have gone home... but this isn't a time for rest.
An opening will happen, we must organize to take these seats.

FindLiberty
10-12-2008, 11:45 PM
...That is why Ron Paul supporters need to be more activated than ever to take over [GOP] party positions.

Now that might work, if there can be an extreme house sweeping of the old corrupt hacks. Not sure how you can sell that new "cleaned up" GOP though. But the Demolicans will not solve the country's problems in 2,4, or 40 years, so voters might give the GOP another whack at it down the road, maybe after two BO terms, in 2016.

torchbearer
10-13-2008, 12:03 PM
bump

georgiaboy
10-13-2008, 12:43 PM
Either way, America gets a socialist this year.

I must admit as a conservative I feel a certain amount of vindication for a McCain loss. I'd like to think that the Ron Paul movement and the C4L generated enough discontent with McCain and awakened enough conservatives who, like us, will either be staying home or voting third party in protest of John McCain.

I look forward to the Republican party regaining its senses.

torchbearer
10-13-2008, 07:45 PM
bump

torchbearer
10-14-2008, 05:04 PM
bump

Dieseler
10-14-2008, 05:17 PM
I bet McCain and OBama both had one of their pages on the others button during the bailout vote to ensure that neither got a bump off of that alone.
I feel sure it was negotiated that way.

torchbearer
10-17-2008, 08:32 PM
bump

torchbearer
10-21-2008, 09:33 PM
bump

angelatc
10-21-2008, 09:45 PM
McCain missed the one oportunity to set himself apart from Obama. Had he been a real leader and stood up on the senate floor and shouted "NO BAILOUT! PERIOD! he might have changed the picture entirely. I might have even barely thought of voting for him. He didn't. End of story.

You're a brave, brave person for admitting you almost had a problem. :)

I don't know if I could vote for him, but I could have at least found myself defending him. Now when I am on forums where there are McCain supporters spewing their "lesser of two evils" argument, all I have to say is "No. He voted for the bailout, and I am not giving him my vote for that reason," and the discussion ends. Even his supporters can't seem to support that.

Aratus
10-22-2008, 10:01 AM
http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5gLBaEUjMtevno3eCncjjLYuozYVgD93P5UMO1

By LIZ SIDOTI – 2 hours ago

INDIANAPOLIS (AP) — Three weeks before the election, Republicans are growing increasingly concerned about John McCain's ability to mount a comeback, questioning his tactics and even his campaign's main thrust in a White House race increasingly focused on economic turmoil.

"He has to make the case that he's different than Bush and better than Obama on the economy," said former House Speaker Newt Gingrich, one of more than a dozen prominent Republicans who in interviews during the past week expressed concern over the course of McCain's bid. "If he doesn't win that case, it's all over, and it's going to be a very bad year for Republicans."

Several Republicans, who spoke on condition of anonymity to avoid angering McCain, said the campaign should have sought to plant doubts about Obama's associations with 1960s-era radical William Ayers and others months ago, rather than waiting until the campaign's final weeks. Doing so now, they said, makes the 72-year-old McCain come off as angry, grouchy and desperate, playing into Democrats' hands.

Rather, these Republicans said, McCain needs to strike a balance in his tone — appearing presidential while also questioning Obama's readiness to serve and judgment to lead. And, several said McCain should close the campaign on an honorable note.

"He doesn't need an attack strategy, he needs a comeback strategy," said Alex Castellanos, a longtime national GOP media consultant who worked for McCain primary rival Mitt Romney.

The unsolicited advice comes as McCain campaign officials are becoming increasingly discouraged. From junior aides to top advisers, the frustration is palpable. Some argue the media isn't giving McCain a fair shake and are weary of the increasingly problematic environment working against the GOP. Tensions have grown over how hard to go after Obama amid concerns about irreparably damaging McCain's straight-shooter reputation.

And the candidate himself, the target of a negative whisper campaign in the 2000 GOP primary, appears conflicted on the campaign trail. He's cheery and smiling during question-and-answer sessions with crowds but becomes visibly annoyed — even surly — when he reads aloud scripted attacks on Obama and Democrats.

Despite the polls showing Obama with a lead nationally and challenging for states long in the Republican column, none of the Republicans interviewed said the race was lost. They said McCain can prevail if he presents himself as the optimistic visionary the public wants at deeply worrisome economic times.

"He needs to come forward with a serious new plan and announce it in a serious manner," said Scott Reed, who managed Bob Dole's 1996 campaign. "McCain cannot outdo Obama in just expressing outrage over Wall Street greed."

The candidates meet Wednesday in their third and final debate; it's McCain's best chance to make a lasting impression.

"He has an opportunity to step up and be a forceful leader during these challenging times," said Ron Kaufman, a veteran party operative who also worked for Romney. "McCain got the nomination because that's what his brand is, but somehow it's gotten muddled."

Senior advisers insist McCain is trying to be such a leader. They note that his daily speeches are devoted heavily to the economy, including taxes and health care, and that he's been rolling out a series of prescriptions. They complain that McCain's not getting credit for those and argue that the media holds McCain to a higher standard than Obama, who they contend is getting a free pass.

Over the past week, McCain also has been assailing Obama's character in speeches and TV ads. They include one that, with little proof, accuses Obama of lying about his association with Ayers and assails Democrats as irresponsible liberals on the economy.

Some Republicans want McCain to keep it up, though strike a balance.

Michael Steele, the former Maryland lieutenant governor and chairman of the candidate-recruiting organization GOPAC, said McCain must reassure people with a "clear and concise" economic message but also needs to "smack the other guy around a little bit."

Ohio GOP chief Bob Bennett said the campaign must do more to "close the sale" on what McCain would do as president. But he also said: "I think he needs to get tougher."

Others say the only thing McCain can do is hope Obama makes a huge mistake or an outside event changes the race.

"Winning the campaign is totally out of McCain's hands," said Matthew Dowd, President Bush's senior political strategist in 2004, who now shuns the party label.

The campaign struggled to find the right fit last week.

First, running mate Sarah Palin accused Obama of "palling around with terrorists," a clear reference to Ayers, and suggested McCain would go after Obama in last week's debate. Instead, the GOP nominee rolled out a proposal that the government buy bad home-loan mortgages. That drew the ire of conservatives.

Said Gingrich: "I can't defend it."

Last Monday, McCain gave a blistering speech asking "Who is Barack Obama" and asserting that Obama was not candid and truthful. He stood by as unruly GOP crowds hurled insults at Obama.

On Friday, McCain called for the temporary suspension of the requirement that older investors liquidate their retirement accounts — and defended Obama as "a decent, family man" the public shouldn't fear. That day, McCain's campaign also came out with its hardest-hitting ad yet.

There have been internal disagreements over how far to go, with some advisers pressing McCain to criticize Obama on his relationship with his incendiary former pastor, the Rev. Jeremiah Wright. McCain earlier had ruled that out of bounds. Some advisers fear charges of racism.

One senior McCain adviser said the worry isn't just that McCain may lose but also that, in defeat, the attacks on Obama could cause long-term damage to McCain's image.

It's not clear whether it's concern about McCain's legacy that prompted the senator to defend Obama on Friday, and advisers insisted there wasn't a conscious decision to soften the criticism. One, Mark Salter, told reporters traveling with McCain: "He responded to questions he didn't think were appropriate."

There's been backlash to the negativity.

"He is not the McCain I endorsed," former Michigan Gov. William Milliken told The Grand Rapids Press, calling the tenor disappointing. "He ought to be talking about the issues."

Perhaps no place underscores McCain's woes better than Indiana, which hasn't voted for a Democrat in decades. Obama has spent an estimated $7 million on advertising there and polls show the race is tight. Republicans just went on the air.

"He's got a great story and a great case to make," Murray Clark, the state party chairman, said of McCain. "Has he made that yet? Not really."

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being bannished from the bigger payola has them democrats lean and hungry...
they as a party are less divided at their core, and are pulling in the younger voters.

lodge939
10-22-2008, 01:29 PM
Everyone has an opinion. I don't think there was ever a way for McCain to win once the Wall Street crisis hit.