Obama Ineligible to Hold Office of President Under Constitution

[orlandoinfl]

Phil J. Berg filed an amended complaint today in Berg v. Obama.

Essentially, the argument is this:
Senator Obama could put this whole issue to rest by providing an official "vault copy" birth certificate.
Senator Obama has chosen not to do so.
The defendants (other than Obama) have a responsibility to protect the integrity of the electoral system by properly vetting the qualifications of candidates, which they have failed to perform.
Mr. Berg, other Americans, and our system of government are damaged by this failure.
Senator Obama, who has collected $425,000,000 in campaign contributions, has perpetrated a fraud.

36. Obama is a representative of the Democratic People. However, Obama must meet the Qualifications specified for the United States Office of the President, which he must be a “natural born” citizen. Additionally, Obama must be at least a “naturalized” citizen to hold his Office of U.S. Senator for Illinois. Unfortunately, Obama is not a “natural born” citizen, nor is he a “naturalized” citizen. Just to name one of the problems, Obama lost his U.S. citizenship when his mother married an Indonesian citizen, Lolo Soetoro who legally “acknowledged” Obama as his son in Indonesia and/or “adopted” Obama, which caused Obama to become a “natural” Indonesian citizen. Stanley Ann Dunham Soetoro relocated herself and Obama to Indonesia wherein Obama’s mother naturalized in Indonesia. This is proven by Obama’s school record with the student’s name as “Barry Soetoro”, Father’s name: Lolo Soetoro, M.A., and Citizenship: Indonesia.
Phil Berg, the attorney, explaining the case:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gA6_k3NtXZs

The court documents: http://news.justia.com/cases/featured/Pennsylvania/paedce/2:2008cv04083/281573/

Phil Berg's personal site: http://obamacrimes.com/

[Andrew Ryan]

Phil J. Berg filed an amended complaint today in Berg v. Obama.

Essentially, the argument is this:
Senator Obama could put this whole issue to rest by providing an official "vault copy" birth certificate.
Senator Obama has chosen not to do so.
The defendants (other than Obama) have a responsibility to protect the integrity of the electoral system by properly vetting the qualifications of candidates, which they have failed to perform.
Mr. Berg, other Americans, and our system of government are damaged by this failure.
Senator Obama, who has collected $425,000,000 in campaign contributions, has perpetrated a fraud.

Phil Berg, the attorney, explaining the case:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gA6_k3NtXZs

The court documents: http://news.justia.com/cases/featured/Pennsylvania/paedce/2:2008cv04083/281573/

Phil Berg's personal site: http://obamacrimes.com/
But he was born in a U.S. state.

[FrankRep]

But he was born in a U.S. state.

Obama should have no problem producing the official documents then.

:rolleyes:

[Mitt Romneys sideburns]

Too bad nobody cares

[FrankRep]

Interesting video..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gA6_k3NtXZs

[RickyJ]

But he was born in a U.S. state.

Kenya is not a US state.

[beerista]

Didn't the American people already fail to fly into an uproar over pretty much this same point in the case of McCain's questionable birth in Panama?

[Pericles]

1. The Panama Canal Zone was then a territory of the United States.

2. McCain was born to two US Citizens, and the proper documentation Birth of a US Citizen in a US military facility was filed.

http://travel.state.gov/law/info/info_609.html

[RideTheDirt]

1. The Panama Canal Zone was then a territory of the United States.

2. McCain was born to two US Citizens, and the proper documentation Birth of a US Citizen in a US military facility was filed.

http://travel.state.gov/law/info/info_609.html

Read the post, or even the title.

[ItsTime]

Read the post, or even the title.

they were responding to the post above theirs. :cool:

[orlandoinfl]

Guys, noone cares if noone cares. Like all things, its up to us to spread the word and flood the media with requests. If we've learned nothing else, it is that the society awards those who cry out the loudest.

[Monolithic]

he was born in hawaii, christ

the only people who actually believe this shit are the idiots who believe he's a secret muslim

[satchelmcqueen]

lets see here...
both were born in highly questionable places which they dont want to talk about
mccain has broken campaign laws left and right and some of which he authored himself, so by these infractions alone, he should have been kicked out this past june....yet he still remains.

they are both liars and frauds.

[torchbearer]

If we are using the constitution again, why didn't the guy file a suit again the congress, the executive branch, and judiciary?
Sounds politically motivated.

The same could be done to McCain.
Let's throw both of them out.

[beerista]

1. The Panama Canal Zone was then a territory of the United States.

2. McCain was born to two US Citizens, and the proper documentation Birth of a US Citizen in a US military facility was filed.

http://travel.state.gov/law/info/info_609.html

You're probably right. But my point wasn't that McCain is ineligible. Rather my point was that the same assertions were leveled against McCain that are being leveled against Obama and that no one cared enough to look up the information you posted in reply to me to even see whether the allegations were true or not. They simply let their partisanship be their guide for the most part. Honestly, there are enough reasons for any intelligent voter to ignore McCain that I wasn't going to get in a hissy about a technicality. Same for Obama. In Obama's case this might be even more true. Assuming (for lack of anything better to assume) that if the winner is disqualified, the nomination will fall to the runner up, disqualifying Obama gets us Hillary, while disqualifying McCain gets us Romney. I don't know if Hillary is worse than Obama, but I doubt she's any better. As for Romney, I'll take an empty suit over whatever McCain's suit is full of.
Still can't be bothered about the technicalities in a country where people would vote for any of these tools, though.

[torchbearer]

1. The Panama Canal Zone was then a territory of the United States.

2. McCain was born to two US Citizens, and the proper documentation Birth of a US Citizen in a US military facility was filed.

http://travel.state.gov/law/info/info_609.html

the 14th amendment made you a citizen of the federal government. with the same rights as a newly freed slave in the south.
They couldn't run for president. Why?

When the constitution was written, there were no "federal citizens". Everyone was a citizen of its state. And only a citizen of one of these united states... being born in that state, could run for president.

McCain is not a citizen of any of these united states.
He has the same "privileges" as a freeman.

[heavenlyboy34]

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html

Annenberg's research shows that his birth certificate is legit. Not that he's a good candidate, but he's no more or less "qualified" than McCain-says I.

How many times do I have to debunk this myth about Obama not being a citizen? :confused::rolleyes:

Born in the U.S.A.
August 21, 2008
Updated: August 26, 2008
The truth about Obama's birth certificate.
Summary
In June, the Obama campaign released a digitally scanned image of his birth certificate to quell speculative charges that he might not be a natural-born citizen. But the image prompted more blog-based skepticism about the document's authenticity. And recently, author Jerome Corsi, whose book attacks Obama, said in a TV interview that the birth certificate the campaign has is "fake."

We beg to differ. FactCheck.org staffers have now seen, touched, examined and photographed the original birth certificate. We conclude that it meets all of the requirements from the State Department for proving U.S. citizenship. Claims that the document lacks a raised seal or a signature are false. We have posted high-resolution photographs of the document as "supporting documents" to this article. Our conclusion: Obama was born in the U.S.A. just as he has always said.
Analysis
Since we first wrote about Obama's birth certificate on June 16, speculation on his citizenship has continued apace. Some claim that Obama posted a fake birth certificate to his Web page. That charge leaped from the blogosphere to the mainstream media earlier this week when Jerome Corsi, author of a book attacking Obama, repeated the claim in an Aug. 15 interview with Steve Doocy on Fox News.

Corsi: Well, what would be really helpful is if Senator Obama would release primary documents like his birth certificate. The campaign has a false, fake birth certificate posted on their website. How is anybody supposed to really piece together his life?

Doocy: What do you mean they have a "false birth certificate" on their Web site?

Corsi: The original birth certificate of Obama has never been released, and the campaign refuses to release it.

Doocy: Well, couldn't it just be a State of Hawaii-produced duplicate?

Corsi: No, it's a -- there's been good analysis of it on the Internet, and it's been shown to have watermarks from Photoshop. It's a fake document that's on the Web site right now, and the original birth certificate the campaign refuses to produce.

Corsi isn't the only skeptic claiming that the document is a forgery. Among the most frequent objections we saw on forums, blogs and e-mails are:

* The birth certificate doesn't have a raised seal.
* It isn't signed.
* No creases from folding are evident in the scanned version.
* In the zoomed-in view, there's a strange halo around the letters.
* The certificate number is blacked out.
* The date bleeding through from the back seems to say "2007," but the document wasn't released until 2008.
* The document is a "certification of birth," not a "certificate of birth."

Recently FactCheck representatives got a chance to spend some time with the birth certificate, and we can attest to the fact that it is real and three-dimensional and resides at the Obama headquarters in Chicago. We can assure readers that the certificate does bear a raised seal, and that it's stamped on the back by Hawaii state registrar Alvin T. Onaka (who uses a signature stamp rather than signing individual birth certificates). We even brought home a few photographs.


The Obama birth certificate, held by FactCheck writer Joe Miller


Alvin T. Onaka's signature stamp


The raised seal


Blowup of text

You can click on the photos to get full-size versions, which haven't been edited in any way, except that some have been rotated 90 degrees for viewing purposes.

The certificate has all the elements the State Department requires for proving citizenship to obtain a U.S. passport: "your full name, the full name of your parent(s), date and place of birth, sex, date the birth record was filed, and the seal or other certification of the official custodian of such records." The names, date and place of birth, and filing date are all evident on the scanned version, and you can see the seal above.

The document is a "certification of birth," also known as a short-form birth certificate. The long form is drawn up by the hospital and includes additional information such as birth weight and parents' hometowns. The short form is printed by the state and draws from a database with fewer details. The Hawaii Department of Health's birth record request form does not give the option to request a photocopy of your long-form birth certificate, but their short form has enough information to be acceptable to the State Department. We tried to ask the Hawaii DOH why they only offer the short form, among other questions, but they have not given a response.

The scan released by the campaign shows halos around the black text, making it look (to some) as though the text might have been pasted on top of an image of security paper. But the document itself has no such halos, nor do the close-up photos we took of it. We conclude that the halo seen in the image produced by the campaign is a digital artifact from the scanning process.

We asked the Obama campaign about the date stamp and the blacked-out certificate number. The certificate is stamped June 2007, because that's when Hawaii officials produced it for the campaign, which requested that document and "all the records we could get our hands on" according to spokesperson Shauna Daly. The campaign didn't release its copy until 2008, after speculation began to appear on the Internet questioning Obama's citizenship. The campaign then rushed to release the document, and the rush is responsible for the blacked-out certificate number. Says Shauna: "[We] couldn't get someone on the phone in Hawaii to tell us whether the number represented some secret information, and we erred on the side of blacking it out. Since then we've found out it's pretty irrelevant for the outside world." The document we looked at did have a certificate number; it is 151 1961 - 010641.


Blowup of certificate number

Some of the conspiracy theories that have circulated about Obama are quite imaginative. One conservative blogger suggested that the campaign might have obtained a valid Hawaii birth certificate, soaked it in solvent, then reprinted it with Obama's information. Of course, this anonymous blogger didn't have access to the actual document and presents this as just one possible "scenario" without any evidence that such a thing actually happened or is even feasible.

We also note that so far none of those questioning the authenticity of the document have produced a shred of evidence that the information on it is incorrect. Instead, some speculate that somehow, maybe, he was born in another country and doesn't meet the Constitution's requirement that the president be a "natural-born citizen."

We think our colleagues at PolitiFact.com, who also dug into some of these loopy theories put it pretty well: "It is possible that Obama conspired his way to the precipice of the world’s biggest job, involving a vast network of people and government agencies over decades of lies. Anything’s possible. But step back and look at the overwhelming evidence to the contrary and your sense of what’s reasonable has to take over."

In fact, the conspiracy would need to be even deeper than our colleagues realized. In late July, a researcher looking to dig up dirt on Obama instead found a birth announcement that had been published in the Honolulu Advertiser on Sunday, Aug. 13, 1961:


Obama's birth announcement


The announcement was posted by a pro-Hillary Clinton blogger who grudgingly concluded that Obama "likely" was born Aug. 4, 1961 in Honolulu.
Of course, it's distantly possible that Obama's grandparents may have planted the announcement just in case their grandson needed to prove his U.S. citizenship in order to run for president someday. We suggest that those who choose to go down that path should first equip themselves with a high-quality tinfoil hat. The evidence is clear: Barack Obama was born in the U.S.A.

Update, August 26: We received responses to some of our questions from the Hawaii Department of Health. They couldn't tell us anything about their security paper, but they did answer another frequently-raised question: why is Obama's father's race listed as "African"? Kurt Tsue at the DOH told us that father's race and mother's race are supplied by the parents, and that "we accept what the parents self identify themselves to be." We consider it reasonable to believe that Barack Obama, Sr., would have thought of and reported himself as "African." It's certainly not the slam dunk some readers have made it out to be.

When we asked about the security borders, which look different from some other examples of Hawaii certifications of live birth, Kurt said "The borders are generated each time a certified copy is printed. A citation located on the bottom left hand corner of the certificate indicates which date the form was revised." He also confirmed that the information in the short form birth certificate is sufficient to prove citizenship for "all reasonable purposes."

–by Jess Henig, with Joe Miller
Sources
United States Department of State. "Application for a U.S. Passport." Accessed 20 Aug. 2008.

State of Hawaii Department of Health. "Request for Certified Copy of Birth Record." Accessed 20 Aug. 2008.

Hollyfield, Amy. "Obama's Birth Certificate: Final Chapter." Politifact.com. 27 Jun. 2008.

[orafi]

1. The Panama Canal Zone was then a territory of the United States.

2. McCain was born to two US Citizens, and the proper documentation Birth of a US Citizen in a US military facility was filed.

http://travel.state.gov/law/info/info_609.html

Was the Panama Canal Zone constitutional?

[MoneyWhereMyMouthIs2]

Didn't the American people already fail to fly into an uproar over pretty much this same point in the case of McCain's questionable birth in Panama?

Maybe you're thinking of his violation of his own campaign finance laws.

[Pericles]

the 14th amendment made you a citizen of the federal government. with the same rights as a newly freed slave in the south.
They couldn't run for president. Why?

When the constitution was written, there were no "federal citizens". Everyone was a citizen of its state. And only a citizen of one of these united states... being born in that state, could run for president.

McCain is not a citizen of any of these united states.
He has the same "privileges" as a freeman.

That reasoning is seriously wrong. I entered military service from Texas, which considered me legally to be a Texan no matter where I was stationed, whether it be Ft. Hood, TX, Ft. Knox, KY, or the Federal Republic of Germany. Citizenship follows the parents in every country in the world - the USA additionally confers citizenship based on birth inside the territorial limits of the United States. When Goldwater ran in 1964, he was born in Arizona when it was still a territory and not yet a state. Was he not eligible to be President?

[torchbearer]

That reasoning is seriously wrong. I entered military service from Texas, which considered me legally to be a Texan no matter where I was stationed, whether it be Ft. Hood, TX, Ft. Knox, KY, or the Federal Republic of Germany. Citizenship follows the parents in every country in the world - the USA additionally confers citizenship based on birth inside the territorial limits of the United States. When Goldwater ran in 1964, he was born in Arizona when it was still a territory and not yet a state. Was he not eligible to be President?

Sorry, you have a personal attachment to the debate.
Argue with the history of the constitution and its original intent.

[nickcoons]

the 14th amendment made you a citizen of the federal government. with the same rights as a newly freed slave in the south.
They couldn't run for president. Why?

When the constitution was written, there were no "federal citizens". Everyone was a citizen of its state. And only a citizen of one of these united states... being born in that state, could run for president.

McCain is not a citizen of any of these united states.
He has the same "privileges" as a freeman.

The Constitution does not say that a requirement of a president is to be born in a state, it says that he/she must be a natural-born citizen. It does not define what a "natural-born citizen" is, and it certainly doesn't define it as being born within a state. Unfortunately, that means this is left open to interpretation.

The most logical position is that a "natural-born citizen" is one who is born into citizenship, as opposed to one who becomes a citizen later in life. One can be born into citizenship either by being born in a state, or by being born to parents who are citizens even if the place of birth is not within a state.

[Pericles]

The Constitution does not say that a requirement of a president is to be born in a state, it says that he/she must be a natural-born citizen. It does not define what a "natural-born citizen" is, and it certainly doesn't define it as being born within a state. Unfortunately, that means this is left open to interpretation.

The most logical position is that a "natural-born citizen" is one who is born into citizenship, as opposed to one who becomes a citizen later in life. One can be born into citizenship either by being born in a state, or by being born to parents who are citizens even if the place of birth is not within a state.

One slight correction - One can be born into citizenship either by being born in the territorial limits of the United States, or by being born to parents who are citizens even if the place of birth is not within a state. This is the effect of current law.

When did the residents of Alaska and Hawaii become US citizens? When the territory became part of the United States or when the territory became a state?

[orafi]

The Constitution does not say that a requirement of a president is to be born in a state, it says that he/she must be a natural-born citizen. It does not define what a "natural-born citizen" is, and it certainly doesn't define it as being born within a state. Unfortunately, that means this is left open to interpretation.

The most logical position is that a "natural-born citizen" is one who is born into citizenship, as opposed to one who becomes a citizen later in life. One can be born into citizenship either by being born in a state, or by being born to parents who are citizens even if the place of birth is not within a state.

everyone knows naturally born is anything but a c section. pfft

[Pericles]

Sorry, you have a personal attachment to the debate.
Argue with the history of the constitution and its original intent.
Didn't have any children while on active duty, so does not affect me.

Original intent is that a person who does not have a permanent attachment to the United States by citizenship should not not be its President. Here is my source for original intent - the First Congress, on March 26, 1790, approved an act that declared, "The children of citizens of the United States that may be born beyond sea, or outside the limits of the United States, shall be considered as natural-born citizens of the United States."

What is yours?

Notice you avoided the Goldwater '64 question -

Al Gore was born in Washington, DC - not a state last time I checked....

Need I go on?

[Mangonel]

Easy Yahoo search produces -


http://web.israelinsider.com/Articles/Politics/12944.htm

http://www.nowpublic.com/world/barack-obama-birth-certificate-dubbed-fake


MSM....

http://www.newsweek.com/id/154599

[p4poetic]

I can't believe people are still questioning this. My question to these people who are still asking; don't you think if he was ineligible, he wouldn't have been able to run in the first place?


Kenya is not a US state.

Nobody said it was. Hawaii however, is. Anyone read his biography? How could it have been possible to have [him] been born in Kenya if they moved to Hawaii, and his father had left when he was very young? Further more, his mother is from Kansas.


lets see here...
both were born in highly questionable places which they dont want to talk about

Obama has talked about his background several times to the point where I've memorized it by default.