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cindy25
10-12-2008, 05:25 AM
it seems an Obama landslide is in the making, and while i prefer the socialist to the fascist a landslide scares the hell out of me.

with no senate to hold FDR and LBJ back they debased the currency (FDR ended gold coinage in 1933, LBJ ended silver in 1965), instituted universal conscription (FDR in 1940, LBJ ended a defacto volunteer army in 1968 when he started drafting college students)

the 40 seat senate minority must hold even if they don't deserve it.

JosephTheLibertarian
10-12-2008, 06:00 AM
it seems an Obama landslide is in the making, and while i prefer the socialist to the fascist a landslide scares the hell out of me.

with no senate to hold FDR and LBJ back they debased the currency (FDR ended gold coinage in 1933, LBJ ended silver in 1965), instituted universal conscription (FDR in 1940, LBJ ended a defacto volunteer army in 1968 when he started drafting college students)

the 40 seat senate minority must hold even if they don't deserve it.

why? let the stupid suffer!

Conza88
10-12-2008, 06:02 AM
I was going to be less livid if obama won; i.e possible republican party acceptance of Rpers...

But then I came to my senses that the endgame is 2012.. so it wouldn't exactly matter by then.. :eek:

klamath
10-12-2008, 08:49 AM
it seems an Obama landslide is in the making, and while i prefer the socialist to the fascist a landslide scares the hell out of me.

with no senate to hold FDR and LBJ back they debased the currency (FDR ended gold coinage in 1933, LBJ ended silver in 1965), instituted universal conscription (FDR in 1940, LBJ ended a defacto volunteer army in 1968 when he started drafting college students)

the 40 seat senate minority must hold even if they don't deserve it.

And how is this not fascist? Where is Obama really different than McCain?

Lovecraftian4Paul
10-12-2008, 12:56 PM
There is no difference between the two. I don't care who controls Congress or the White House if it's a choice between liberals or neo-cons.

cindy25
10-12-2008, 06:41 PM
Obama is less likely to start more wars so that is in his favor.

but an Obama with super-majorities in the house and senate is very bad. its LBJ time all over again.

if the Reps can filibuster (40 needed) they can block the most onerous of his socialism.

heavenlyboy34
10-12-2008, 06:44 PM
it seems an Obama landslide is in the making, and while i prefer the socialist to the fascist a landslide scares the hell out of me.

with no senate to hold FDR and LBJ back they debased the currency (FDR ended gold coinage in 1933, LBJ ended silver in 1965), instituted universal conscription (FDR in 1940, LBJ ended a defacto volunteer army in 1968 when he started drafting college students)

the 40 seat senate minority must hold even if they don't deserve it.

We're not very good at learning from history, are we?! :eek::(:mad:

Aratus
10-13-2008, 04:12 PM
the stock market was at 40 points in 1932/33 and it was roaring to 1000 points in 1964/65
---today's market just climbed almost 1000 points, it was at 8467 in its opening and reached 9437
before ending the day at 9387--- even though this hints at a bottom now reached, this market is volatile...

NewFederalist
10-14-2008, 07:05 AM
---today's market just climbed almost 1000 points, it was at 8467 in its opening and reached 9437
before ending the day at 9387--- even though this hints at a bottom now reached, this market is volatile...

"V" bottoms attained with modest volume and when credit markets are closed are not often for real.

acptulsa
10-14-2008, 07:21 AM
Obama is less likely to start more wars so that is in his favor.

I don't know if you've noticed, but he stopped pretending to be the candidate of peace pretty much as soon as he won the primary. If there was any doubt left that he's just another warhawk, his choice of Biden should have erased it.

acptulsa
10-14-2008, 07:26 AM
the stock market was at 40 points in 1932/33 and it was roaring to 1000 points in 1964/65---today's market just climbed almost 1000 points, it was at 8467 in its opening and reached 9437 before ending the day at 9387...

My dad always used to carry on about teaching me the value of a dollar. Thing is, I always caught him not knowing himself as he didn't shop for enough different things to understand exactly what inflation had done to it.

Yesterdays market swing was allegedly equal to the entire 1929 bubble.

I love listening to the MSM use this fact to exaggerate their spin. Especially "the largest one-day point gain in the history of the Dow." Uh huh. Thing is, those "points" represent dollars and our dollars have all the buying power of 1929--or 1964--nickles.

libertarian4321
10-15-2008, 03:48 AM
I don't know if you've noticed, but he stopped pretending to be the candidate of peace pretty much as soon as he won the primary. If there was any doubt left that he's just another warhawk, his choice of Biden should have erased it.

Well, I think most of us believe that Obama is far less likely to gleefully start a pointless war than McCain.

He may not get us out of Iraq quickly, but he doesn't seem to be as blood thirsty as old man McCain is.

In any event, a crushing Republican defeat is exactly what we need- it may lead to short term pain, but its our only chance to get the Republican party to change. The current neocon policies of Bush/McCain need to be soundly repudiated if the Republicans are to have any hope of moving back to what they once believed in, and what we believe in.

So I'm hoping for a McCain defeat, and if its a landslide, its even better...

Aratus
10-16-2008, 10:14 AM
http://money.cnn.com/data/markets/dow/ it has a swing and then some of some 500 points! the DOW
yesterday has a 733 point decline... the markets overnight are down... there are times when i don't want to look...