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TruthAtLast
10-10-2008, 12:11 PM
What would people say are the main bullet point differences between Baldwin and Barr?

jonhowe
10-10-2008, 12:17 PM
Well, for me, the biggest issues are as follows:

They're both "conservatives".

Barr wasn't as recently as last year.
Barr is a bit of a dick.
Barr has a terrible record.

Baldwin believe the US should be a "christian nation".
Baldwin lets religion seep into his policy almost as much as Bush lets his "religion".



I don't want to choose between two evils, even two that can't possibly win. I'll be writing in Ron Paul.

RonPaulVolunteer
10-10-2008, 12:29 PM
Baldwin is upfront and honest about his true beliefs and intentions...

Barr is a trained CIA operative...

'nuff said?

Join The Paul Side
10-10-2008, 12:35 PM
I'm sick of this Barr vs Baldwin debate. Neither is going to win. Just fricking write in Ron Paul if you truly are interested in a protest vote. Otherwise, vote for Baldwin since RP endorsed him. If I see another thread about Bob Barr on this board......

mrwiizrd
10-10-2008, 12:42 PM
I ended up voting for Barr here in Colorado since my mail-in ballot didn't have a write-in option for President. I'm aware of his record and I agree he comes off as a bit of a dick. I went with Barr for a 2 main reasons:

1. I realize RP endorsed Baldwin, but I cannot get past the CP's uber-Christian agenda. I strongly believe in a distinct separation of church and state. I can't understand how the CP claims to be "advocates a platform which aims to reflect the principles of the Declaration of Independence, the Constitution of the United States, and the Bill of Rights," yet they want impose their Christian beliefs and morals on America. This seems incredibly hypocritical given the first amendment, "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

2. Barr is the Libertarian candidate for president, and my political ideology aligns almost exactly with the Libertarian platform, so I went with Barr with the hope that even thought he won't get elected, some of the Libertarian platform will eventually work its way into legislation (or lack thereof more like) similar to what happened to socialist party platform of the past.

TruthAtLast
10-10-2008, 12:43 PM
I'm sick of this Barr vs Baldwin debate. Neither is going to win. Just fricking write in Ron Paul if you truly are interested in a protest vote. Otherwise, vote for Baldwin since RP endorsed him. If I see another thread about Bob Barr on this board......

Woah.... sorry for frustrating you. I haven't read all 145,000 threads. Even with a search function I still may have to read many irrelevant threads.

It was a simple question requiring a simple answer. Part of your response was helpful. :D

I'm not asking whether or not I "should" vote for either of them. No one has a say in that decision.

I was just asking what the difference is. A lot of people have gone through this discovery process and may have the answer off the top of their head.

Razorback Fan
10-10-2008, 04:17 PM
I agree with all of the above and would summarize the difference between Barr and Baldwin as follows:

Barr is religion-neutral; Baldwin is very pro-religion (Christian specifically).

Barr has a less-than-impressive pro-liberty record but says all the right things the last two years; Baldwin has no government record at all, but has always said all the right things.

Given these facts--which leaves neither of them the clear winner--you should vote for the one whose party you would rather support:

LIBERTARIAN PARTY: Pro-freedom on all counts, with no religious emphasis at all.

CONSTITUTION PARTY: Pro-freedom in general, but heavy on the Christian rhetoric, and therefore a bit unclear on the freedom-of-religion aspect of government philosophy.

And, of course, either one is much, much better than anyone else running for President.

kpitcher
10-10-2008, 04:44 PM
I thought that a write in for a candidate who wasn't running was a total waste.

Whereas a vote for a 3rd party may help them get closer to the needed percentage to participate in debates and matching money. I'd rather my vote counted for something than simply writing in a name that gets thrown out.

G-Wohl
10-10-2008, 04:45 PM
I agree with all of the above and would summarize the difference between Barr and Baldwin as follows:

Barr is religion-neutral; Baldwin is very pro-religion (Christian specifically).

Barr has a less-than-impressive pro-liberty record but says all the right things the last two years; Baldwin has no government record at all, but has always said all the right things.

Given these facts--which leaves neither of them the clear winner--you should vote for the one whose party you would rather support:

LIBERTARIAN PARTY: Pro-freedom on all counts, with no religious emphasis at all.

CONSTITUTION PARTY: Pro-freedom in general, but heavy on the Christian rhetoric, and therefore a bit unclear on the freedom-of-religion aspect of government philosophy.

And, of course, either one is much, much better than anyone else running for President.

I really like this post. Can I quote it in my sig?

Razorback Fan
10-10-2008, 04:45 PM
Right you are, kpitcher. Vote for someone on the ballot. It almost doesn't matter who it is. Just drive up those third-party vote totals, man.

Razorback Fan
10-10-2008, 04:46 PM
I really like this post. Can I quote it in my sig?

It's kind of you to ask permission. Put it in your sig if you want. Hell, put it in a full-page ad in Time magazine if you want!

bojo68
10-10-2008, 04:53 PM
Baldwin shows up for debates, even if he does run out early and suck when it comes to religion or gays.(he doesn't seem to have the mental capacity to figure out citizens have equal rights)

Razorback Fan
10-10-2008, 04:55 PM
Barr screwed up by not showing up for the third-party stuff. True enough. But that's irrelevant to the question of whom to vote for.

RonPaulMania
10-10-2008, 06:34 PM
The difference is Baldwin believes what our Founding Fathers did about how this country was to operate.

Read my signature, you will find he isn't far off, and Ron Paul agrees.

mediahasyou
10-10-2008, 07:05 PM
Right you are, kpitcher. Vote for someone on the ballot. It almost doesn't matter who it is. Just drive up those third-party vote totals, man.

http://www.voluntaryist.com/nonvoting/vote_for_liberty.php

mitty
10-10-2008, 07:32 PM
Baldwin believe the US should be a "christian nation".
Baldwin lets religion seep into his policy almost as much as Bush lets his "religion"..

link?

Bradley in DC
10-12-2008, 12:32 AM
Discussion on these issues:

http://www.nolanchart.com/article5175.html

latkinson6
10-12-2008, 04:23 PM
Need more information on these 2 candidates?

http://www.bobbarrforums.com

and

http://www.chuckbaldwinforums.com