What's up with the European Union??

[socialize_me]

I've only heard the EU is pretty much fractured right now, but I haven't read too much into it. Some countries in it apparently are going their own way, but is this true? If so, how in the world can anyone expect a New World Order to come about if Europe, the greatest socialist continent on the planet, can't even get its shit straight?

[BarryDonegan]

I think that the people who claim the NWO is upon us, may be wrong. the NWO may think its about to be upon us, but after a 2 year debriefing by youtube, they may actually wind up broke.

[Sic Semper Tyrannis]

The EU is rediculous. Are the people over there that dumb??? I mean they have a longer and more diverse history then we do and they still haven't learned.

Idiots....

[sratiug]

I've only heard the EU is pretty much fractured right now, but I haven't read too much into it. Some countries in it apparently are going their own way, but is this true? If so, how in the world can anyone expect a New World Order to come about if Europe, the greatest socialist continent on the planet, can't even get its shit straight?

Ireland voted down the European Union a couple months ago, legally ending it. Did I mention I'm part Irish? Go Ireland!!!

They are of course trying to work around the fact it no longer exists, as they have the last couple of times countries voted it down when they got it approved by parliaments they could buy.

[powerofreason]

NWO will never happen, imo. No matter how hard they try.

[Mattsa]

I've only heard the EU is pretty much fractured right now, but I haven't read too much into it. Some countries in it apparently are going their own way, but is this true? If so, how in the world can anyone expect a New World Order to come about if Europe, the greatest socialist continent on the planet, can't even get its shit straight?

There are 2 schools of thought on this.

1. They are ready and prepared for economic collapse and prepared for the consequences

2. They are rudderless and incapable

The speed of events leads me to suspect either option is possible.

[nate895]

NWO will never happen, imo. No matter how hard they try.

It shall come to fruition eventually, otherwise the events of Revelations shall not come to fruition. I just hope it will be thousands of years from now.

[Zolah]

The EU is rediculous. Are the people over there that dumb??? I mean they have a longer and more diverse history then we do and they still haven't learned.

Idiots....

Well when the whole basis of the European Union (Lisbon Treaty) is put to the people, the governments of EU didn't let any of the PEOPLE vote, apart from the Irish government (Republic of Ireland), whatwith their constitution having something in it about not boning their people behind their backs or something...So out of some 500 million people, the passing or rejection of the European constitution rest upon some 4 million Irish people, of which only those who could vote, decided the fate of the entire European Union...the vote wasn't given to almost every other country, because in the past 2 or 3 times they've tried to push through the "european constitution", a couple countries have decided to be assholes to the EU and vote against it. And so with the Irish people the only ones allowed to vote for it at the time, the people voted no to the Lisbon Treaty (thank god). Even in the hugely socialist continent of Europe, full of pan-europeanists, "they" still can not force the EU on us, after 3 or 4 attempts no less!

So it's not that they're dumb, despite the sheer determintion of the EU to force themselves on Europe without popular vote by democratic means, we the people have stopped it in its tracks repeatedly. Frankly though, socialism is rampantly popular in most European countries...good intentions, bad results and all that.

But the countries of the EU bloc are still very much only looking out for their own best interests, at a governmental level at least..the central banks act independently, and more often than not seemingly counter-productively for their regions, i.e screwing the people.

[jbuttell]

The EU is rediculous. Are the people over there that dumb??? I mean they have a longer and more diverse history then we do and they still haven't learned.

Idiots....

I thought it was just the Americans that were idiots? :rolleyes:

[TGautier421]

NWO will never happen, imo. No matter how hard they try.

Truth.

The NWO conspiracy phenomenon, no doubt, has been in the works. Problem is, the idea was formed by people who have alot of money and nothing to do with it. So, they sit around all day twiddling their thumbs, thinking of what they can buy.

"Why don't we just lobby to the governments of the world to bend to our will? It's an excellent idea!'

[TGautier421]

It shall come to fruition eventually, otherwise the events of Revelations shall not come to fruition. I just hope it will be thousands of years from now.

Dude... its just a book. It was a good foundation on which to build a morally responsible life for the culture of the time I think... nothing more.

[Gaius1981]

If you all were British, this would be known as the "Nigel Farage Revolution". Honestly, this man is brilliant, and similar to Ron Paul in many respects. He's the leader of the libertarian "UK Independence Party".

Who's who in the EU commission:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YWSYMpuCFaQ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YWSYMpuCFaQ&)

Confronting Nicolas Sarkozy, the the European equivalent of Rudy Guiliani:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XdB_lQMJnIA

Free Europe:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I8CoyLANcts& (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I8CoyLANcts)

[nate895]

Dude... its just a book. It was a good foundation on which to build a morally responsible life for the culture of the time I think... nothing more.

Just a book? LOL. Just the book that told you that the maximum life span is 120 years, 3,000 years before science. Just the book that told you to put your land on fallow, 3,000 years before science. Just the book that told you not to become a debtor, and to use a sound money, 3,000 years before von Mises. Just the book that told you to not have a centralized government because God is the only true king, 2,500 years before man came up with the idea.

[heavenlyboy34]

I thought it was just the Americans that were idiots? :rolleyes:

That's what you get for trying to think when the gov'ment hasn't given you a license to do so! ;)

[purplechoe]

Just a book? LOL. Just the book that told you that the maximum life span is 120 years, 3,000 years before science. Just the book that told you to put your land on fallow, 3,000 years before science. Just the book that told you not to become a debtor, and to use a sound money, 3,000 years before von Mises. Just the book that told you to not have a centralized government because God is the only true king, 2,500 years before man came up with the idea.

Yes, it's just a book written by a bunch of Zionists. Do you study history? People thousands of years ago knew a lot more about the world/ universe we live in than people did 50 years ago. Capish? did you know that electricity existed thousands of years ago? Maybe you should talk about another subject you have no clue about, like quantum physics? and this is coming from someone who considers himself a Christian. Get your head out of your ass and read some books about history!!!

EDIT: Just so you know, that bible is about astro-theology. In the bible, Jesus is the sun and the appostles are the 12 zodiac signs in which Gods SUN travels through the heavens. Another thing, did you know that there were about 16 other guys who walked the earth born of a virgin, died for three days, and were resurected into the heavons... You're eyes are still not open. Like Jesus says in the bible "Let the dead burry the dead". Do you know who the dead are that he's talking about? People like you who were never truely alive!

[Flash]

The sooner the EU comes to an end, the better. Who knows when it will happen though.

[Flash]

It shall come to fruition eventually, otherwise the events of Revelations shall not come to fruition. I just hope it will be thousands of years from now.

I remember a group of people, I forgot what they were called, that believed most events of Revelations already happened, and we are now in the 1,000 year peaceful period.

[nate895]

Yes, it's just a book written by a bunch of Zionists. Do you study history? People thousands of years ago knew a lot more about the world/ universe we live in than people did 50 years ago. Capish? did you know that electricity existed thousands of years ago? Maybe you should talk about another subject you have no clue about, like quantum physics? and this is coming from someone who considers himself a Christian. Get your head out of your ass and read some books about history!!!

No reputable source I have ever read has ever considered electricity to be a major factor before Edison. Some peoples may have had it, but it surely wasn't a well used technology, or used in our manner. Zion is first mentioned in the Bible, but that was their homeland, and the Lord had performed great miracles and had revealed the truth to them there, what would you expect, for them to pick up and leave? Using your argument, you should not care if a foreign country occupies America, even though it is your homeland.

[nate895]

I remember a group of people, I forgot what they were called, that believed most events of Revelations already happened, and we are now in the 1,000 year peaceful period.

This era is peaceful?

[ClockwiseSpark]

I remember a group of people, I forgot what they were called, that believed most events of Revelations already happened, and we are now in the 1,000 year peaceful period.

If this is peace I'd hate to see what it was like before.

[TGautier421]

Just a book? LOL. Just the book that told you that the maximum life span is 120 years, 3,000 years before science.

Common sense.


Just the book that told you to put your land on fallow, 3,000 years before science.

Agriculture and domestic cultivation was developed 13,000 years ago. Again, common sense for the people during the times.


Just the book that told you not to become a debtor, and to use a sound money, 3,000 years before von Mises.

I'm not going to pretend to know about economics during those times, but again, this just a common sense issue.


Just the book that told you to not have a centralized government because God is the only true king, 2,500 years before man came up with the idea.

Whose God? :confused:


Not trying to turn this into a Bible bashing thread, because I respect the individual's choice to follow which religion they prefer. I was just pointing to the fact that people buy too much into what was written in that book, or take it too literally. Do you know how many times it has been revised since its inception?

Anyways, back on topic. I'm not trying to de-rail a good thread.

[Flash]

This era is peaceful?

I don't understand it either. They are called Preterists though, if you are wondering.

[Join The Paul Side]

Dude... its just a book. It was a good foundation on which to build a morally responsible life for the culture of the time I think... nothing more.


Just a book, eh? :cool:

The difference between you and me is this:

I choose to live my life as a bible believing Christian. If there is no God when I die then I have lost nothing. If there is a God when YOU die then you have lost everything.

Goodluck with that, by the way. :rolleyes: