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tonesforjonesbones
10-09-2008, 04:12 PM
Philip J Berg files Opposition to Obama Motion, October 9, 2008, Obama Protective Order Motion, Obama Indonesian, Obama and DNC delay tactics, Obama is Illegal Alien
October 9, 2008 · 3 Comments

Philip J Berg filed an Opposition to Obama’s Motion for a Protective
order to prevent Discovery. Obama’s motion was a delay tactic to
prevent Judge Surrick from ruling that Obama must provide proof
of citizenship.

Jeff Schreiber is currently reviewing it. As soon as it appears we will
provide more details.

Philip J Berg’s website:

http://obamacrimes.com

* Update *

Here is the first part of Philip J Berg’s motion in text form:

“UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT
FOR THE EASTERN DISTRICT OF PENNSYLVANIA
PHILIP J. BERG, ESQUIRE, :
Plaintiff :
vs. : CIVIL ACTION NO. 08-cv-04083-RBS
:

BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA, a/k/a :

BARRY SOETORO, a/k/a :

BARRY OBAMA, a/k/a
: JURY TRIAL DEMANDED

BARACK DUNHAM, a/k/a :

BARRY DUNHAM, THE :

DEMOCRATIC NATIONAL :

COMMITTEE, THE FEDERAL :

ELECTION COMMISSION AND :

DOES 1-50 INCLUSIVE, :
Defendants :

ORDER

AND NOW this ______day of October, 2008, upon consideration of Defendants,
Barack H. Obama and the Democratic National Committee’s Motion for a Protective
Order and Stay Pending the Decision on Defendants Dispositive Motion and Plaintiff’s
Response in Opposition thereto, it is hereby

ORDERED and DECREED as follows:

1.
Defendants Motion for Protective Order Staying Discovery
pending the Court’s Decision on Defendants dispositive Motion is
DENIED;
2.
Defendants are hereby ORDERED to Answer Plaintiff’s
Discovery Requests by way of Admissions and Request for
Production of Documents by October 15, 2008.
IT IS SO ORDERED
BY THE COURT:
R. Barclay Surrick, J.

Case 2:08-cv-04083-RBS Document 18 Filed 10/09/2008 Page 2 of 22

UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT
FOR THE EASTERN DISTRICT OF PENNSYLVANIA
PHILIP J. BERG, ESQUIRE, :
Plaintiff :
vs. : CIVIL ACTION NO. 2:08-cv-04083-RBS
:

BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA, a/k/a :

BARRY SOETORO, a/k/a :

BARRY OBAMA, a/k/a
: JURY TRIAL DEMANDED

BARACK DUNHAM, a/k/a :

BARRY DUNHAM, THE :

DEMOCRATIC NATIONAL :

COMMITTEE, THE FEDERAL :

ELECTION COMMISSION AND :

DOES 1-50 INCLUSIVE, :
Defendants :

ORDER

AND NOW this ______day of October, 2008, upon consideration of Defendants,
Barack H. Obama and the Democratic National Committee’s Motion for a Protective
Order and Stay pending the Decision on Defendants Dispositive Motion and Plaintiff’s
Response in Opposition thereto, it is hereby

ORDERED and DECREED as follows:

1.
Defendants Motion for Protective Order Staying Discovery pending
the Court’s Decision on Defendants dispositive Motion is DENIED in
part and GRANTED in part;
2.
Pending the Decision on the Defendants, Barack H. Obama and the
Democratic National Committee’s Motion to Dismiss, discovery is
stayed except for the following:
Defendants, Barack H. Obama and the Democratic National Committee are

ORDERED to turn over the following documents by October 15, 2008:

1.
A certified copy of Obama’s “vault” (original long version) birth
certificate;

Case 2:08-cv-04083-RBS Document 18 Filed 10/09/2008 Page 3 of 22

2.
Certified copies of all reissued and sealed birth certificates of
Obama in the names referred to in the caption of this lawsuit;
3.
A certified copy of Obama’s Certification of Citizenship;
4.
A certified copy of Obama’s Oath of Allegiance taken upon age of
majority;
5.
Certified copies of Obama’s Application and Admission forms for
Occidental College, Columbia University and Harvard Law
School; and
6.
Certified copies of any Court Orders or legal documents changing
Obama’s name from Barry Soetoro to Barack Hussein Obama.
Defendant, Barack Hussein Obama is ORDERED to serve upon Plaintiff
Answers to the following Request for Admissions by October 15, 2008:

Admissions, Request No. 1.
Admit you were born in Kenya.

Admissions, Request No. 2.
Admit you are a Kenya “natural born” citizen.

Admissions, Request No. 3.
Admit your foreign birth was registered in the State
of Hawaii.

Admissions, Request No. 4.
Admit your name was legally changed to Barry
Soetoro and citizenship status was changed to
“natural citizen” of Indonesia.

Admissions, Request No. 5.
Admit you were adopted by Lolo Soetoro, M.A. a
citizen of Indonesia.

Admissions, Request No. 6.
Admit Lolo Soetoro, M.A. a citizen of Indonesia.
Signed a Government “Acknowledgement” form
legally acknowledging you as his son.

Admissions, Request No. 7.
Admit you are an Indonesian citizen.

Admissions, Request No. 8.
Admit you are currently not a “natural born” United
States citizen.
Case 2:08-cv-04083-RBS Document 18 Filed 10/09/2008 Page 4 of 22

Admissions, Request No. 9.
Admit you are not eligible to serve as the President
of the United States pursuant to Article II, Section I
of the United States Constitution.

Admission, Request No. 10.
Admit you are unable to prove your citizenship
status.

Defendant, the Democratic National Committee is ORDERED to serve upon

Plaintiff Answers to the following Request for Admissions by October 15, 2008:

Admissions, Request No. 1.
Admit you have not verified Barrack Hussein
Obama’s eligibility to serve as President of the
United States.

Admissions, Request No. 2.
Admit Barrack Hussein Obama was born in Kenya.

Admissions, Request No. 3.
Admit Barack Hussein Obama’s citizenship status
was changed to a “natural” citizen of Indonesia
when his stepfather, Lolo Soetoro, M.A. legally
“acknowledged” Obama as his son.

Admissions, Request No. 4.
Admit Barack Hussein Obama’s name was legally
changed to Barry Soetoro, an Indonesian citizen.

Admissions, Request No. 5.
Admit Barrack Hussein Obama is not a “natural
born” United States citizen.

Admissions, Request No. 6:
Admit you have not inquired into Barrack Hussein
Obama’s citizenship status.

Admissions, Request No. 7.
Admit the United States Constitution does not allow
for a Person to hold the Office of President of the
United States unless that person is a “natural born”
United States citizen.

Admissions, Request No. 8.
Admit you collected donations on behalf of Barack
Hussein Obama for his Presidential campaign.

Admissions, Request No. 9.
Admit the DNC has promised Plaintiff and all
American citizens that the DNC will ensure Open
and Honest Government and uphold the United
States Constitution to protect the United States
citizens.
Case 2:08-cv-04083-RBS Document 18 Filed 10/09/2008 Page 5 of 22
Admissions, Request No. 10. Admit Barack Hussein Obama is not a legal citizen
of the United States.
IT IS SO ORDERED
BY THE COURT:
R. Barclay Surrick, J. “

heavenlyboy34
10-09-2008, 04:17 PM
This is BS. The issue was settled months ago, when Obama verified his birth certificate for the media. If it were true, we could also get rid of McCain, seeing as he was born on an overseas base.

Conspiracy theories are fun, but this one's a waste of time. :rolleyes:

ItsTime
10-09-2008, 04:19 PM
wow crazy... I bet nothing happens of it.

dannno
10-09-2008, 04:22 PM
So the court ordered he has 5 days to prove this shit or else????

dannno
10-09-2008, 04:22 PM
Conspiracy theories are fun, but this one's a waste of time. :rolleyes:

So you don't believe this is a legal court document?


The lawsuit is alleging that the birth certificate he provided is fraudulent.

Dieseler
10-09-2008, 04:32 PM
Visit his site, It appears he has all of the court documents there available in PDF.
I didn't bother looking at them, I'm not a lawyer myself.

heavenlyboy34
10-09-2008, 04:54 PM
So you don't believe this is a legal court document?


The lawsuit is alleging that the birth certificate he provided is fraudulent.

Sure it could be a legal document, but I don't see the case going anywhere-seeing as how this "scandal" was so promptly killed a few months back due to lack of substance. Here http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html our friends at the Annenberg foundation proved it.

Pay special note to this part-"Recently FactCheck representatives got a chance to spend some time with the birth certificate, and we can attest to the fact that it is real and three-dimensional and resides at the Obama headquarters in Chicago. We can assure readers that the certificate does bear a raised seal, and that it's stamped on the back by Hawaii state registrar Alvin T. Onaka (who uses a signature stamp rather than signing individual birth certificates). We even brought home a few photographs." (photos found at the link above)

It doesn't really matter in the long run anyway. The election's a sham, like every other election.

angelatc
10-09-2008, 04:58 PM
If TPTB are strong and powerful enough to control every government official in the world, they can come up with a freaking birth certificate.

heavenlyboy34
10-09-2008, 05:00 PM
If TPTB are strong and powerful enough to control every government official in the world, they can come up with a freaking birth certificate.

Yep. Another reason why it's pointless to debate this. TPTB have us by the balls no matter what...unless someone finds a way to break the matrix. :)

tonesforjonesbones
10-09-2008, 05:02 PM
This issue was NOT killed. It is STILL in court and Obama has until Oct 15 to produce the documents. tones

Kotin
10-09-2008, 05:02 PM
yeah I also heard that John McCain said he wanted to stay in Iraq for 100 years.. thatell do him in ;)



:rolleyes:

dannno
10-09-2008, 05:02 PM
HB, factcheck.org also says that Ron Paul is delusional re: NAFTA superhighway..

tonesforjonesbones
10-09-2008, 05:02 PM
Don't worry...Mccain won't live that long....tones

UnReconstructed
10-09-2008, 05:06 PM
Yep. Another reason why it's pointless to debate this. TPTB have us by the balls no matter what...unless someone finds a way to break the matrix. :)

word

tonesforjonesbones
10-09-2008, 05:08 PM
song

heavenlyboy34
10-09-2008, 05:18 PM
HB, factcheck.org also says that Ron Paul is delusional re: NAFTA superhighway..

Yeah, I remember that. They said that because they didn't have sufficient resources to prove it. I'm sure they're out there, they're just very very very difficult to find.

heavenlyboy34
10-09-2008, 05:20 PM
word

sentence.

bojo68
10-09-2008, 05:22 PM
I'm not going to challenge the notion that this couldn't easily be glossed over(remember all the false documents when Mormons were blowing themselves up? 80's)
But there is the chance that the judges could get a stick in their craw about who has POWER. If they do, this could get interesting...:)

GunnyFreedom
10-09-2008, 05:26 PM
word

Grammar

GunnyFreedom
10-09-2008, 05:26 PM
sentence.

Syntax

torchbearer
10-09-2008, 05:31 PM
assuming they find him not qualified (after he has qualified to get on the ballots)
They will just put clinton in his place, and instruct the electors to vote for her.
the will have an ad campaign telling everyone that obama's slate is clintons slate, and everyone should be pissed enough about the decision to get a couple of friends to go vote with them.

Alawn
10-09-2008, 05:45 PM
The issue was settled months ago, when Obama verified his birth certificate for the media.

It was proven that that was a forgery and a very bad one too. But nothing will come of this.

OKRonPaul
10-09-2008, 05:47 PM
So wait, we can't get both of these jokers disqualified and re-do the primaries over the next two weeks?

heavenlyboy34
10-09-2008, 05:50 PM
It was proven that that was a forgery and a very bad one too. But nothing will come of this.

Just goes to show ya-elections are fucking stupid.

heavenlyboy34
10-09-2008, 05:52 PM
Syntax

lol, you're pretty funny sometimes, Gunny. :)

dannno
10-09-2008, 05:54 PM
(remember all the false documents when Mormons were blowing themselves up? 80's)

Exsqueezeme??

bojo68
10-09-2008, 05:58 PM
Exsqueezeme??

There was a whole series of false documents sold to the church, by one of their members. It ended up with explosion(s), and people being killed.

dannno
10-09-2008, 06:07 PM
There was a whole series of false documents sold to the church, by one of their members. It ended up with explosion(s), and people being killed.

Found it..

Google Salamander Letter

dannno
10-09-2008, 06:11 PM
Found it..

Google Salamander Letter

Holy Moly... I almost suffocated trying to read this thing..


Palmyra October 23d 1830

Dear Sir

Your letter of yesterday is received & I hasten to answer as fully as I can--Joseph Smith Jr first come to my notice in the year 1824 in the summer of that year I contracted with his father to build a fence on my property in the corse of that work I approach Joseph & ask how it is in a half day you put up what requires your father & 2 brothers a full day working together he says I have not been with out assistance but can not say more only you better find out the next day I take the older Smith by the arm & he says Joseph can see any thing he wishes by looking at a stone Joseph often sees Spirits here with great kettles of coin money it was Spirits who brought up rock because Joseph made no attempt on their money I latter dream I converse with spirits which let me count their money when I awake I have in my hand a dollar coin which I take for a sign Joseph describes what I seen in every particular says he the spirits are grieved so I through back the dollar in the fall of the year 1827 I hear Joseph found a gold bible I take Joseph aside & he says it is true I found it 4 years ago with my stone but only just got it because of the enchantment the old spirit come to me 3 times in the same dream & says dig up the gold but when I take it up the next morning the spirit transfigured himself from a white salamander in the bottom of the hole & struck me 3 times & held the treasure & would not let me have it because I lay it down to cover over the hole when the spirit says do not lay it down Joseph says when can I have it the spirit says one year from to day if you obay me look to the stone after a few days he looks the spirit says bring your brother Alvin Joseph says he is dead shall I bring what remains but the spirit is gone Joseph goes to get the gold bible but the spirit says you did not bring your brother you can not have it look to the stone Joseph looks but can not see who to bring the spirit says I tricked you again look to the stone Joseph looks & sees his wife on the 22d day of Sept 1827 they get the gold bible--I give Joseph $50 to move him down to Pa Joseph says when you visit me I will give you a sign he gives me some hiroglyphics I take then to Utica Albany & New York in the last place Dr Mitchel gives me an introduction to Professor Anthon says he they are short hand Egyption the same what was used in ancient times bring me the old book & I will translate says I it is made of precious gold & is sealed from view says he I can not read a sealed book--Joseph found some giant silver specticles with the plates he puts them in an old hat & in the darkness reads the words & in this way it is all translated & written down--about the middle of June 1829 Joseph takes me together with Oliver Cowdery & David Whitmer to have a view of the plates our names are appended to the book of Mormon which I had printed with my own money--space and time both prevent me from writing more at present if there is any thing further you wish to inquire I shall attend to it

Yours Respectfully
Martin Harris

Dieseler
10-09-2008, 07:53 PM
Yeah thats real hard to look at. I spreadeded it out a little bit.
:p


Palmyra October 23d 1830

Dear Sir

Your letter of yesterday is received & I hasten to answer as fully as I can--Joseph

Smith Jr first come to my notice in the year 1824 in the summer of that year I

contracted with his father to build a fence on my property in the corse of that work

I approach Joseph & ask how it is in a half day you put up what requires your

father & 2 brothers a full day working together he says I have not been with out

assistance but can not say more only you better find out the next day I take the

older Smith by the arm & he says Joseph can see any thing he wishes by looking

at a stone Joseph often sees Spirits here with great kettles of coin money it was

Spirits who brought up rock because Joseph made no attempt on their money I

latter dream I converse with spirits which let me count their money when I awake I

have in my hand a dollar coin which I take for a sign Joseph describes what I

seen in every particular says he the spirits are grieved so I through back the dollar

in the fall of the year 1827 I hear Joseph found a gold bible I take Joseph aside &

he says it is true I found it 4 years ago with my stone but only just got it because

of the enchantment the old spirit come to me 3 times in the same dream & says

dig up the gold but when I take it up the next morning the spirit transfigured

himself from a white salamander in the bottom of the hole & struck me 3 times &

held the treasure & would not let me have it because I lay it down to cover over

the hole when the spirit says do not lay it down Joseph says when can I have it

the spirit says one year from to day if you obay me look to the stone after a few

days he looks the spirit says bring your brother Alvin Joseph says he is dead shall

I bring what remains but the spirit is gone Joseph goes to get the gold bible but

the spirit says you did not bring your brother you can not have it look to the stone

Joseph looks but can not see who to bring the spirit says I tricked you again look

to the stone Joseph looks & sees his wife on the 22d day of Sept 1827 they get

the gold bible--I give Joseph $50 to move him down to Pa Joseph says when you

visit me I will give you a sign he gives me some hiroglyphics I take then to Utica

Albany & New York in the last place Dr Mitchel gives me an introduction to

Professor Anthon says he they are short hand Egyption the same what was used

in ancient times bring me the old book & I will translate says I it is made of

precious gold & is sealed from view says he I can not read a sealed book--Joseph

found some giant silver specticles with the plates he puts them in an old hat & in

the darkness reads the words & in this way it is all translated & written

down--about the middle of June 1829 Joseph takes me together with Oliver

Cowdery & David Whitmer to have a view of the plates our names are appended

to the book of Mormon which I had printed with my own money--space and time

both prevent me from writing more at present if there is any thing further you wish

to inquire I shall attend to it



Yours Respectfully
Martin Harris

Damn, that was a mouth full wudn't it?