we need to start sending paniced emails to congress to stopthe fed from crashing us!

[BarryDonegan]

seriously!

it is pretty obvious that the rate cuts are simply making things exponentially worse. it does not take a rocket scientist. how hard is it to show your neighbors that this is not working!

lets do this!

[ihsv]

seriously!

it is pretty obvious that the rate cuts are simply making things exponentially worse. it does not take a rocket scientist. how hard is it to show your neighbors that this is not working!

lets do this!

You're forgetting that the Fed owns the congress, and as last week demonstrated very clearly, congress and the senate don't give a beaver's house what we want.

[BarryDonegan]

You're forgetting that the Fed owns the congress, and as last week demonstrated very clearly, congress and the senate don't give a beaver's house what we want.

untrue, this was before a HUGE market crash. I really doubt there are as many congressmen and senators who simply looked at it as campaign contribution only.

their views were also influenced by the fact that smart guys with money told them it was a wise financial move. now it is proven to be a foolish one.

there is a chance we could get action.

[TruthAtLast]

there were 171 Republicans and Democrats who votes against the bailout bill. Maybe they weren't for all of the same reasons but there is a shred of American spirit left and not ALL Congressmen are corrupt. Many were just uninformed (in know its sad but its true) or pressured. Many believed what the Media and other "smarter" people were telling them.

But there are actually quite a few Congressmen that side with America on this. They may not share all of Ron Paul's views but they are warming up to the possibility that he may have been right on several of these economic topics. In fact a lot of the people who have been against Ron Paul have always acknowledged that he was very intelligent on economic policies but they didn't like his foreign policy.

I'm not saying Ron Paul should have done this because he has too much integrity (made to a fault), but if he had played the political "game", he could have taken a similar stance as Huckabee on the war saying that we need to decrease our spending but should responsibly withdraw after we have achieved victory (in political speak this leaves the door open for him to define what victory is later).

He could have just toned down the talk about shutting down the FED and IRS because even though he speaks the truth, that kind of talk instantly makes him look like a radical. Instead he could have said that we need to closely monitor and regulate how the various elements of our economy interact with each other. He could have still said that we need to be careful of inflation and to protect the dollar but not exactly outright called to abolish the FED.

He wouldn't have totally compromised his principals, but we all know that this political game has a lot to do with HOW you word your beliefs.

Once he got through the primaries, then (just like McCain) he could have changed gears and gotten more aggressive while still not completely pissing off the powers that run this country. He would be tearing up Obama in these debates. But once he got elected, he would then have the opportunity to take the steps needed to bring our troops home, cut spending overseas, and eliminate the Federal Reserve.

I only say this because we must learn when our next leader makes a run. They don't have to totally abandon their principals to play the political game. Ultimately a candidate has to make a choice. Can they save this Country more effectively sitting at home, or doing what you need to do to get elected.

[BarryDonegan]

to be honest, regulating the fed won't be enough. in fact.... we may not have the chance to end the federal reserve system, because it may end by malfunction on its own.

[angelatc]

I sort of feel the same way, and I felt that way during the primaries. The economy, and the looming crisis were what the war talk centered on.

Except for Rudy (9/11 was his issue.)

[tpreitzel]

seriously!

it is pretty obvious that the rate cuts are simply making things exponentially worse. it does not take a rocket scientist. how hard is it to show your neighbors that this is not working!

lets do this!

Yes, although it's true that the economic system is being allowed to crash at this time for more sinister reasons (globalism), the equity markets just had to retrace eventually anyway. The main problem isn't really the implosion itself, but the ramifications of the crash at this specific time which special interests are using to advance their agenda. In this crisis, we, the people, must focus on not only retaining minimal personal and economic freedom, but we must focus on regaining lost freedoms over the past century.

[OferNave]

Yes, although it's true that the economic system is being allowed to crash at this time for more sinister reasons (globalism), the equity markets just had to retrace eventually anyway. The main problem isn't really the implosion itself, but the ramifications of the crash at this specific time which special interests are using to advance their agenda. In this crisis, we, the people, must focus on not only retaining minimal personal and economic freedom, but we must focus on regaining lost freedoms over the past century.

Well summarized!

You can't stop the crash - the crash has to happen, because the financial system was an illusion. All you can do is try to restore Constitutional government. That means NOT asking the government to try to do something about the crash.

[BarryDonegan]

or asking them to NOT do something about the crash. haha.

and we also need to ask them to do something about the patriot act, the federal reserve system, and lots of other stuff. hahaha.

I'm starting to think what we are witnessing is less the end of the world as we know it, and more of a paradigm shift that will shape generations, with two new poles.... one pole being those obama kids, and guys who submit to the status quo, and the other pole will be a new form of "moderate", which is a coalition between constitutional republican style guys, mix of libertarians and constitution party types, with local level collectivist anarchists and socialists who don't mind a libertarian federal government.

[fahayek]

We need to question the constitutionality of the actions in the past weeks. Like I stated in another thread I started, we need to act. We need to raise money for a good constitutional lawyer and attack. Tomorrow Bush will anounce the federal buying of bank shares (the 5th plank of the Communist Manifesto). We need to stop sitting on our hands and get something rolling.

[BarryDonegan]

i think there could be mainstream support for that action. all we'd really need to do is suggest it to one of those lawyers who is cruising for a supreme court case.

[freelance]

i think there could be mainstream support for that action. all we'd really need to do is suggest it to one of those lawyers who is cruising for a supreme court case.

I suggested the other day that Bugliosi might be interested. Does anyone here have any idea how to contact him?

I realize that he's a criminal lawyer, but I'm not sure that's not appropriate.