something to remind your republican friends who are scared about obama

[BarryDonegan]

I have received alarming emails from republican activists who are legitimately afraid that obama is some kind of muslim extremist, etc, which is outright absurd, however, i took that opportunity to remind them that a powerful congress can stop anything the president intends to do, and that this makes it twice as important to go out and find new guys to fill those seats!

[libertarian4321]

I have received alarming emails from republican activists who are legitimately afraid that obama is some kind of muslim extremist, etc, which is outright absurd, however, i took that opportunity to remind them that a powerful congress can stop anything the president intends to do, and that this makes it twice as important to go out and find new guys to fill those seats!

The more I see these drooling mouth breathers (most of whom look like extras from "American History X") yelling "HUSSEIN HUSSEIN HUSSEIN" and "secret muslim", the more convinced I am that Obama is probably not all that bad.

For those who don't remember the movie:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_history_x

[tonesforjonesbones]

Congress? You mean our congress? They are doing the dying cockroach. They don't govern, they don't listen to the will of the people. They just are on a perpetual re election kick. Give me a break...if the republicans are swept out by the democrats...you can expect full blown communism. Obama IS tied to militant terrorists ...William ayers and his wife, and some others. You should at least research the information. I consider Obama to be an atheist ...his mom was. Tones

[BarryDonegan]

i wasn't talking bout our congress, i was talking about the congress we were about to elect, the different one, with the different guys in it, that aren't currently in it, the ones who would do their job.

[BarryDonegan]

Congress? You mean our congress? They are doing the dying cockroach. They don't govern, they don't listen to the will of the people. They just are on a perpetual re election kick. Give me a break...if the republicans are swept out by the democrats...you can expect full blown communism. Obama IS tied to militant terrorists ...William ayers and his wife, and some others. You should at least research the information. I consider Obama to be an atheist ...his mom was. Tones

i have looked into it. william ayers and his wife seem to be socialist anarchist radicals, that is not really that weird in context when you consider that all political candidates have connections to the political fringe. we all know that the communist party influences the democrats, and we all know the patriot movement and JBS types influence the republicans(in the JBS defense, thankfully so)... its all a matter of how much, based on whether or not the candidate is moderate, or whatever-wing. William Ayers is a lefty who took to bombing stuff because he was upset about the Iraq War. there is a term for that, but please lets not use the George Bush term for it. we are better than that. We can call him a bomber, thats fair, because thats what he did. but calling his bombing something else, based on the idealogy behind it, is not what libertarianism is about.

put into context, you will find that every american president, ever, has had these types of ties. if not, its something like the CIA, like the Bush family.

[angelatc]

Congress? You mean our congress? They are doing the dying cockroach. They don't govern, they don't listen to the will of the people. They just are on a perpetual re election kick. Give me a break...if the republicans are swept out by the democrats...you can expect full blown communism.

Are you kidding? Bush is responsible for almost as much socialism as FDR. You seem to be confusing the GOP with conservatives.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DcOwoYghxTw

[BarryDonegan]

that southern avenger video rules, thats very true.


there is a new political center forming, it is where the current hard left and hard right meet..... the meeting point between Ron Paul and Dennis Kucinich, or the Libertarian and Green Party, who have discovered ways to "reach across the aisle" to do stuff like vote against the bailout

[tonesforjonesbones]

angelatc then you obviously don't know much about the neoconservatives..who / what they are and what their agenda is. Bush was a blank slate...cheney ran things along with the rest of his PNAC buddies. Tones (and ya'll try to tell me a VP doesn't have any influence?) GO PALIN! tones

[LibertyEagle]

JBS types influence the republicans(in the JBS defense, thankfully so)... its all a matter of how much, based on whether or not the candidate is moderate, or whatever-wing.

"JBS types", eh? You mean like RON PAUL?

..... Like THAT? ;)

[BarryDonegan]

i agree with that statement as well. georgie boy was just a president because his dad was. his buddies were neoconservatives... who pushed his policy.

i always got the feeling george bush treats his presidency like a role on SNL, an opportunity to do comedy sketches, with all of his fake malapropisms.

[LibertyEagle]

I have received alarming emails from republican activists who are legitimately afraid that obama is some kind of muslim extremist, etc, which is outright absurd,

I'm not sure about him being a muslim extremist. I seriously doubt it. But he DOES appear to be a COMMUNIST.

[angelatc]

angelatc then you obviously don't know much about the neoconservatives..who / what they are and what their agenda is. Bush was a blank slate...cheney ran things along with the rest of his PNAC buddies. Tones (and ya'll try to tell me a VP doesn't have any influence?) GO PALIN! tones

I know all about the neoconservatives! What I don't understand is why you are going to vote for one.

The VP has as much power, and only as much power, as the President gives him. If Bush decided that the VP shold personally tend to the White House Rose Gardens, then that's what the VP would do.

For whatever reason, Bush has Cheney in charge of empire building.

[BarryDonegan]

"JBS types", eh? You mean like RON PAUL?

..... Like THAT? ;)

yes. I'm not criticizing the JBS. they are definately hard right, though. by definition.

although I disagree with them about stuff like pornography, etc, i still swing by and talk to em now and again. the hard left and hard right in america should be the new middle, IMO. where they meet, at least.

[BarryDonegan]

I'm not sure about him being a muslim extremist. I seriously doubt it. But he DOES appear to be a COMMUNIST.

yeah.... but george bush to me also seems a communist.

[tonesforjonesbones]

Oh yeah..bush is just the mouthpiece...he runs nothing. tones

[EndTheFed]

The more I see these drooling mouth breathers (most of whom look like extras from "American History X") yelling "HUSSEIN HUSSEIN HUSSEIN" and "secret muslim", the more convinced I am that Obama is probably not all that bad.

For those who don't remember the movie:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_history_x

Maybe he is not muslim but... he is tied to:

http://africanpress.wordpress.com/2008/08/10/senator-barack-obama-in-kenya-obama-and-odinga-the-true-story/

[LibertyEagle]

yeah.... but george bush to me also seems a communist.

Yes, I agree. So what's your point?

[LibertyEagle]

yes. I'm not criticizing the JBS. they are definately hard right, though. by definition.

although I disagree with them about stuff like pornography, etc, i still swing by and talk to em now and again. the hard left and hard right in america should be the new middle, IMO. where they meet, at least.

You're not getting it. They DO meet in the middle. It's the damn media who are trying to split us.

In reality, the far left is total government control; the far right is no government at all. A Constitutional Republic is somewhere in the middle.

[BarryDonegan]

You're not getting it. They DO meet in the middle. It's the damn media who are trying to split us.

In reality, the far left is total government control; the far right is no government at all. A Constitutional Republic is somewhere in the middle.


generally the far left is seen as anarcho-socialist, and the far right is anarcho-capitalist,so both extremes believe in no government. the opposite point on the circle is statism, which believes in government control, whether via fascism(slightly right) or communism(slightly left)

[CountryMe]

I just posted a reply with some of it about my feelings Obama vs McCain when it comes to all this Martial Law talk, etc.

I am a Republican so I don't say this out of party loyalty but now that I have done A LOT AND I MEAN A LOT of research again, I don't believe it is Obama that would bring about Martial Law! I am not saying Obama would not take some of our freedoms away but I am telling you it is on both sides, Republicans and Democrats that would declare Martial Law and/or take other freedoms away. Just look at the split vote on the Baiout to prove that. Those that were threatened it should had made them stronger to vote no to the bailout.

Obama has always been a Christian. Now, I am NOT saying I agree with his christian views! I don't even know them but more than likely I would disagree with them but I think Obama is being labeled a Muslim by those that are racists! I have listened to a lot of the terrorist charges and I don't believe them and don't you know if Obama was really a terrorist then McCain would had said it to his face at the debate??? No, instead they are doing it behind his back! I am also not defending the charges against Obama because of my being black, either, because I am not black.

Here is some links to listen to that in my opinion would clear up some of that against Obama and certainly show more negative ties that McCain has!! But you can listen and decide for yourself.

Countdown: Guilty by Association Oct. 7, 2008
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Fp9YosE630

Oct 7 Olbermann CRUSHES Sarah Palin
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZtdJG7WMfSI

John McCain: I've always aspired to be a dictator/ Bush as long as I am the dictator
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i7Hcf7Q1Q9A

McCain My fellow prisoners
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0mBi7d6e5KI

[speciallyblend]

republicans spreading lies , being a new republican. i have learned gop leadership and some republicans are GREAT LIARS!!! welcome to the gop, i was welcomed with open arms by being hatelisted aka blacklisted for being a ron paul republican. Yeah,must of done something right!!

[CountryMe]

I heard that McCain has hired out the same bunch of people to spread hatred and lies against Obama that was hired back in 2000 primaries to spread hatred and lies (well some of them were lies) against McCain. Boy what kind of sense does that make to hire the same bunch that treated you like dirt in order for you to treat someone else like dirt?????

[BarryDonegan]

I just posted a reply with some of it about my feelings Obama vs McCain when it comes to all this Martial Law talk, etc.

I am a Republican so I don't say this out of party loyalty but now that I have done A LOT AND I MEAN A LOT of research again, I don't believe it is Obama that would bring about Martial Law! I am not saying Obama would not take some of our freedoms away but I am telling you it is on both sides, Republicans and Democrats that would declare Martial Law and/or take other freedoms away. Just look at the split vote on the Baiout to prove that. Those that were threatened it should had made them stronger to vote no to the bailout.

Obama has always been a Christian. Now, I am NOT saying I agree with his christian views! I don't even know them but more than likely I would disagree with them but I think Obama is being labeled a Muslim by those that are racists! I have listened to a lot of the terrorist charges and I don't believe them and don't you know if Obama was really a terrorist then McCain would had said it to his face at the debate??? No, instead they are doing it behind his back! I am also not defending the charges against Obama because of my being black, either, because I am not black.

Here is some links to listen to that in my opinion would clear up some of that against Obama and certainly show more negative ties that McCain has!! But you can listen and decide for yourself.

Countdown: Guilty by Association Oct. 7, 2008
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Fp9YosE630

Oct 7 Olbermann CRUSHES Sarah Palin
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZtdJG7WMfSI

John McCain: I've always aspired to be a dictator/ Bush as long as I am the dictator
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i7Hcf7Q1Q9A

McCain My fellow prisoners
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0mBi7d6e5KI

using olbermann as a source, IMO is similar to using Alex Jones as a source. its too inflammatory of a publication, too sensationalist... they have some links to some other credible sources, but those need to be reviewed instead.

im not discrediting olbermann or alex jones, as they are more "fun" media if you have a bizarre sense of fun, but they link to AP articles which need further examination. sometimes the significance of the article is overstated. such as 3000 soldiers being stationed in the US as total martial law in america... while its a violation of the posse comitatus act and should be complained about to congressmen, you'd have a damn tough time putting the USA on a curfew with one soldier per county.

[Highland]

Congress? You mean our congress? They are doing the dying cockroach. They don't govern, they don't listen to the will of the people. They just are on a perpetual re election kick. Give me a break...if the republicans are swept out by the democrats...you can expect full blown communism. Obama IS tied to militant terrorists ...William ayers and his wife, and some others. You should at least research the information. I consider Obama to be an atheist ...his mom was. Tones

Tones....that is ridiculous. it is UN_CHRISTIAN to question another's relationship with God. You must know that...right?! You are being judgmental and Jesus warned us about that.

[CountryMe]

While Countdown might not always support the information they give, I do believe at least some of the facts they gave about this, I do believe.

As far as those that voted for the Patriot Act......

Bush was the President and I do believe it is just possible that they were threatened then to vote for that much the same as they were threatened with Martial Law if they didn't vote for the Bailout.

I still think the bottom line is they would not allow for a Martial Law under Obama and while Obama might be just as bad in other respects, I think it's going to be much worse trying to fight for our freedoms if we are under Martial Law! Just my opinion I know.

[tonesforjonesbones]

I think I'm dealing with a bunch of closet Obama supporters on here. I bet many here will secretly be voting for Barak Obama on election day . smh. Did ya'll drive all the conservatives away? tones

[Sic Semper Tyrannis]

Are you kidding? Bush is responsible for almost as much socialism as FDR. You seem to be confusing the GOP with conservatives.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DcOwoYghxTw

SOUTHERN AVENGER (Jack Hunter) ROCKS!!!:D

[Highland]

I think I'm dealing with a bunch of closet Obama supporters on here. I bet many here will secretly be voting for Barak Obama on election day . smh. Did ya'll drive all the conservatives away? tones

Respond to the charge Tones. Admit you have no right to questions one's relationship to God...if he professes...that is between he and God. Admit it!

[tonesforjonesbones]

Nope Highland...I am being DISCERNING. tones

[Highland]

Nope Highland...I am being DISCERNING. tones

Tones....you know better than that..

[bojo68]

Are you kidding? Bush is responsible for almost as much socialism as FDR. You seem to be confusing the GOP with conservatives.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DcOwoYghxTw

Saw something somewhere that compares the bailout(slavery) bill with the new deal, Bush has FDR beat.

[tonesforjonesbones]

I have the right to be discerning. That "church" Obama was attending was NOT any kind of Christian Church. If you think Trinity Church is a CHRISITAN church..er...you might want to go back and consult the Good Book. I WILL discern if I so choose and I do NOT believe Obama is a Christian. Furthermore, the only one running that I believe to truely practice her faith is Sarah Palin. TONES !!!!!

[TruthAtLast]

Are you kidding? Bush is responsible for almost as much socialism as FDR. You seem to be confusing the GOP with conservatives.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DcOwoYghxTw

nice video

[CountryMe]

I think I'm dealing with a bunch of closet Obama supporters on here. I bet many here will secretly be voting for Barak Obama on election day . smh. Did ya'll drive all the conservatives away? tones


I am NOT a Obama supporter! I have NEVER voted for a Democrat for President!! But I do a lot of research and keep my eyes and ears open and while I can be wrong, I had my opinions formed about Bush and McCain before I ever even heard of Obama! I don't know much about Obama as far as TRUE FACTS THAT I KNOW ARE TRUE but I do know a lot about McCain and Bush that I KNOW ARE TRUE FACTS! If Obama turns out to be just as bad or worse I won't be surprised but I will at least know I did not judge him before that point.

[tonesforjonesbones]

Country...ya better be lookin into Obama BEFORE he gets elected..not after..too late. Tooo late for America..smh. tones

[CountryMe]

Country...ya better be lookin into Obama BEFORE he gets elected..not after..too late. Tooo late for America..smh. tones


I have been looking into Obama! I have not found anything yet to support the allegations against him and like I said as far as the Patriot Act, while that was a very bad thing for any of them to had voted for but it was on both sides and whether they were threatened to vote for it or not I don't know but I do know on both sides there are Republicans and Democrats against our freedoms but I still think Martial Law is more likely with Bush or McCain. We can fight for our freedoms if Obama gets in there but if Martial Law is declared I think it will be worse and a lot harder.

[tonesforjonesbones]

Where are you lookin? Huffington Post? the Daily Kooks? Wonkettes? Obama is a polecat. SMH> TONES

[Highland]

I have the right to be discerning. That "church" Obama was attending was NOT any kind of Christian Church. If you think Trinity Church is a CHRISITAN church..er...you might want to go back and consult the Good Book. I WILL discern if I so choose and I do NOT believe Obama is a Christian. Furthermore, the only one running that I believe to truely practice her faith is Sarah Palin. TONES !!!!!

I have heard him profess that Jesus Christ is Lord.....if you choose to let politics affect your spiritual life...then go right ahead...but you are only mad because I am speaking the truth.

[tonesforjonesbones]

Highland...you are an Obama bot and i project you will vote for him on election day...you just wouldn't admit it here because it's not popular. I'm not concerned about popularity at the moment...I am concerned about keepin that crook out of the whitehouse. tones

[Highland]

Highland...you are an Obama bot and i project you will vote for him on election day...you just wouldn't admit it here because it's not popular. I'm not concerned about popularity at the moment...I am concerned about keepin that crook out of the whitehouse. tones

I could say the same thing about you and Palin....the truth is that Palin has a questionable preacher that prayed over her to become Governor...she bragged he did not pray in the name of Jesus. She, you and I know what that means. I still know enough that if she claims Christ...I have no business interfering....same with Obama. This is not political....I hope you know that we are the family of Christ and I honestly mean that as a Christian.

[SeanEdwards]

Please. Muslim extremists ain't got nothing on Bernanke and Paulson.

[cheapseats]

Tones....that is ridiculous. it is UN_CHRISTIAN to question another's relationship with God. You must know that...right?! You are being judgmental and Jesus warned us about that.



Respond to the charge Tones. Admit you have no right to questions one's relationship to God...if he professes...that is between he and God. Admit it!



I have heard him profess that Jesus Christ is Lord.....if you choose to let politics affect your spiritual life...then go right ahead...but you are only mad because I am speaking the truth.


I appreciate the why's and wherefore's of this argument as applied to ordinary people leading reglar lives.

But a bunch of Faux Christianity and hyer-political Holy Rolling lies at the bottom of no small part of our bullshit. Bona fide Christians and the rest of society have been bushwhacked by Bad Guys in the ranks of Evangelical Top Brass as surely as Jews and the rest of society have been bushwhacked by Bad Guys among AIPAC Brass.

Anyone who parades Faith in a separation of church and state paradigm issues an engraved invitation for the populace to analyze how that Faith may impact execution of duty in a representative government that comes to bear on ALL faiths.

[Highland]

I appreciate the why's and wherefore's of this argument as applied to ordinary people leading reglar lives.

But a bunch of Faux Christianity and hyer-political Holy Rolling lies at the bottom of no small part of our bullshit. Bona fide Christians and the rest of society have been bushwhacked by Bad Guys in the ranks of Evangelical Top Brass as surely as Jews and the rest of society have been bushwhacked by Bad Guys among AIPAC Brass.

Anyone who parades Faith in a separation of church and state paradigm issues an engraved invitation for the populace to analyze how that Faith may impact execution of duty in a representative government that comes to bear on ALL faiths.

I am just saying...we should not judge one another's faith....whatever it is ....especially if they profess a certain faith. It is unbecoming and can never be proved or disproved....a waste of time debating....

I am speaking in those quotes from one Christian to another...tones knows what I am talking about. It is hard not to judge religiously...but we must encourage one another.
Bush has to deal with God as well....I pray for his soul.

[cheapseats]

I have received alarming emails from republican activists who are legitimately afraid that obama is some kind of muslim extremist, etc, which is outright absurd, however, i took that opportunity to remind them that a powerful congress can stop anything the president intends to do, and that this makes it twice as important to go out and find new guys to fill those seats!

America on the verge of economic collapse is also absurd.

How do you KNOW that Barack Hussein Obama is not a Muslim operative? I have been asking that question since at least December of last year and have only ever received insult and ridicule in response, never an answer.

[Highland]

America on the verge of economic collapse is also absurd.

How do you KNOW that Barack Hussein Obama is not a Muslim operative? I have been asking that question since at least December of last year and have only ever received insult and ridicule in response, never an answer.

IMHO....it is something that I believe God has taken care of...all we can do is live our faith and trust that God will direct us to safe haven. Muslim or not....the issues are his actions. That is political and yes we can be discerning about what he will do as president by how he conducts his political/family life.

But judging his spiritual life...after he has professed that Jesus is Lord is unacceptable for my sensibilities.

[Highland]

btw the main reason Christians should not question others faith, once it is professed...is because then Christians themselves can push others farther from God. Remember the two swords......the sword of spiritual authority and the sword of civil authority. Very different roles.

[cheapseats]

I am just saying...we should not judge one another's faith....whatever it is ....especially if they profess a certain faith. It is unbecoming and can never be proved or disproved....a waste of time debating....

I am speaking in those quotes from one Christian to another...tones knows what I am talking about. It is hard not to judge religiously...but we must encourage one another.

Absolutely. Who else will? To win, they require us to fall into despair.

It is only so important that we stop permitting ourselves to be fooled...Americans are endlessly gullible...and there has already been so much faith-based deception, that is why I mentioned it.

[cheapseats]

...a powerful congress can stop anything the president intends to do...

But there's the rub. We do not HAVE a powerful Congress.

MAYBE we'll clear out some charlatans and n'er-do-wells in November. Maybe fresh blood will be instantly corrupted by Rupees For Re-election...we have seen it several times. Who knows?

An electorate has to at least consider worst-case scenarios...especially now that it knows that its government NEVER HAS A PLAN B.

What if freewheeling Big Spender Obama has an approximation of THIS spineless Congress or, say, a new slew of Obama-Can-Do-No-Wrong fans?

[Micah Dardar]

If we are stuck with either of the big spenders, at least Obama may spend more on our infrastructure than Iraq's.

[BarryDonegan]

But there's the rub. We do not HAVE a powerful Congress.

MAYBE we'll clear out some charlatans and n'er-do-wells in November. Maybe fresh blood will be instantly corrupted by Rupees For Re-election...we have seen it several times. Who knows?

An electorate has to at least consider worst-case scenarios...especially now that it knows that its government NEVER HAS A PLAN B.

What if freewheeling Big Spender Obama has an approximation of THIS spineless Congress or, say, a new slew of Obama-Can-Do-No-Wrong fans?

we don't have a powerful congress, because a powerful people didn't elect them.

that is what has changed.

[cheapseats]

I just posted a reply with some of it about my feelings Obama vs McCain when it comes to all this Martial Law talk, etc.

I am a Republican so I don't say this out of party loyalty but now that I have done A LOT AND I MEAN A LOT of research again, I don't believe it is Obama that would bring about Martial Law! I am not saying Obama would not take some of our freedoms away but I am telling you it is on both sides, Republicans and Democrats that would declare Martial Law and/or take other freedoms away. Just look at the split vote on the Baiout to prove that. Those that were threatened it should had made them stronger to vote no to the bailout.

Obama has always been a Christian. Now, I am NOT saying I agree with his christian views! I don't even know them but more than likely I would disagree with them but I think Obama is being labeled a Muslim by those that are racists! I have listened to a lot of the terrorist charges and I don't believe them and don't you know if Obama was really a terrorist then McCain would had said it to his face at the debate??? No, instead they are doing it behind his back! I am also not defending the charges against Obama because of my being black, either, because I am not black.



No, he hasn't "always" been a Christian.

Roll the tape from when Obama said he could no more disown Wright than he could the black community or, indeed, his own grandmother. Obama says that the Reverend Wright helped him to discover his Christian faith more than 20 years ago.

Obama is in his mid-40's.

There's a little better than 20 years unaccounted for.

There is a wonderful play called Love Letters. The set consists of two tables, at each of which sits one half of a lifetime male/female friendship, reading the letters they have written to each other since the first postcard from camp: "My mother said I have to write to you." Period.

One line was particularly poignant for me, "It is not possible to be truly intelligent, and Catholic. I am inclined to agree. Separately, more tangible grounds manifested on which, in my opinion, a principled person was obliged to "break faith" when the leader of said faith declined to take a zero tolerance position on child molestation. A worldwide congregation in doubt-filled, anger-based upheaval and what does the Catholic church do? Promote a former Nazi to the top spot.

Catholic no more, sayeth I.

That's it, finito, count me out. And if you want so many poor people to have so many babies, how 'bout the condomless Catholic Church fund a world health organization for kidlets?

I am confident that I am not the only lapsed Catholic who will confirm that Catholicism is the gift that keeps on giving.

It bears mention that I never walked up to a Catholic Church and said, "Count me in." I "am," now "am not," Catholic because I was born to a Catholic man. My mother converted from Lutheranism to Catholicism in order to marry him in a Catholic Church...and as is so often the case, she would be the more devout of the two...but, yeppers, for sure, my Catholicism came from my Dad.

Barack Obama was born to a Muslim man. While his mother did not to my knowledge convert to Islam, did she not also marry a Muslim man the second go-round?

Whereupon was not Barack Obama scooted off to spend his formative years in 80-plus-percent Muslim Jakarta, Indonesia?

I am not saying that Barack Obama...who conscientiously determined to be called Barack when he was already known as Barry...is anything other than what he claims to be. I am saying it is POSSIBLE that he is a liar, and I would point to public campaign financing and telecom immunity as examples of actions that are not aligned with words. And I am saying that hostile-unto-name-calling dismissal of the suggestion that someone might be a liar, after all we've been through, is just super-duper disturbing.

[CountryMe]

America on the verge of economic collapse is also absurd.

How do you KNOW that Barack Hussein Obama is not a Muslim operative? I have been asking that question since at least December of last year and have only ever received insult and ridicule in response, never an answer.


You asked, "How do you KNOW that Barack Hussein Obama is not a Muslim operative?"

My response is, how do you KNOW he is a MUSLIM operative???

That is a serious accusation that I would have to KNOW is true before I would spread that.

Again, I am not a Obama Supporter! I just don't have FACTS that support the allegations against him! I stand by my words that a true Ron Paul supporter will not vote for either! I have never voted for a Democrat for president and I don't plan to start now unless someone would run that declares the same values as Ron Paul and I don't see that happening on the Democratic ticket but who knows that it can't or won't ever happen.

I know one of them will be elected, either McCain or Obama so I just give my opinion on what I think will happen or won't happen with them as president.

[Carole]

Dr. Paul was guest speaker at their (JBS) recent anniversary.

Frankly, the present day JBS is much more conservative mainstream than current mainstream politicians. In the earlier days, maybe not, but times have changed. Also in the old days they were infiltrated by government agents who were attempting to discredit them and other such mischief.

I consider today's Congress as much more "fringe" due to their voting habits than I would JBS.

[cheapseats]

we don't have a powerful congress, because a powerful people didn't elect them.

that is what has changed.

Has it?

I thought the electorate seemed pretty powerful when it swept all those Democrats into office last November, on a "mandate." Remember that ambitious First Hundred Days?

Let's see...new minimum wage, with an exclusion for Nancy Pelosi's big donor Starkist, and impeachment is Off The Table. That's how THAT started, and it's been downhill ever since.

The powerful electorate's response? We'll vote you out in November. Like last time.

If THIS Congress goes milquetoast or gets mired in Analysis Paralysis or begins to appreciate the perks of the political high life, what then? Vote 'em all out in 2012?

[CountryMe]

No, he hasn't "always" been a Christian.

Roll the tape from when Obama said he could no more disown Wright than he could the black community or, indeed, his own grandmother. Obama says that the Reverend Wright helped him to discover his Christian faith more than 20 years ago.

Obama is in his mid-40's.

There's a little better than 20 years unaccounted for.

There is a wonderful play called Love Letters. The set consists of two tables, at each of which sits one half of a lifetime male/female friendship, reading the letters they have written to each other since the first postcard from camp: "My mother said I have to write to you." Period.

One line was particularly poignant for me, "It is not possible to be truly intelligent, and Catholic. I am inclined to agree. Separately, more tangible grounds manifested on which, in my opinion, a principled person was obliged to "break faith" when the leader of said faith declined to take a zero tolerance position on child molestation. A worldwide congregation in doubt-filled, anger-based upheaval and what does the Catholic church do? Promote a former Nazi to the top spot.

Catholic no more, sayeth I.

That's it, finito, count me out. And if you want so many poor people to have so many babies, how 'bout the condomless Catholic Church fund a world health organization for kidlets?

I am confident that I am not the only lapsed Catholic who will confirm that Catholicism is the gift that keeps on giving.

It bears mention that I never walked up to a Catholic Church and said, "Count me in." I "am," now "am not," Catholic because I was born to a Catholic man. My mother converted from Lutheranism to Catholicism in order to marry him in a Catholic Church...and as is so often the case, she would be the more devout of the two...but, yeppers, for sure, my Catholicism came from my Dad.

Barack Obama was born to a Muslim man. While his mother did not to my knowledge convert to Islam, did she not also marry a Muslim man the second go-round?

Whereupon was not Barack Obama scooted off to spend his formative years in 80-plus-percent Jakarta, Indonesia?

I am not saying that Barack Obama...who conscientiously determined to be called Barack when he was already known as Barry...is anything other than what he claims to be. I am saying it is POSSIBLE that he is a liar, and I would point to public campaign financing and telecom immunity as examples of actions that are not aligned with words. And I am saying that hostile-unto-name-calling dismissal of the suggestion that someone might be a liar, after all we've been through, is just super-duper disturbing.

Going back to my original point to what I was saying is which one I think in my opinion only is more likely to declare Martial Law.

As far as Obama always being a christian, I should not had worded it that way because no one has always been a Christian. That is something people have to accept at some point in their life whether as a child or a adult.

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You asked, "How do you KNOW that Barack Hussein Obama is not a Muslim operative?"

My response is, how do you KNOW he is a MUSLIM operative???

That is a serious accusation that I would have to KNOW is true before I would spread that.



I would like first to clarify that I don't "accuse" people of being Muslim, any more than I would "accuse" someone of being Episcopalian or blonde. You are or you aren't, and it's no business of mine either way. I do NOT think that all Muslims are Fundamentalist Extremists.

I don't have to see black roots on that blonde head to speculate whether the hair is dyed. I am as free to speculate as the other person is to dye their hair. Maybe they're brunette by birth but blonde at heart. Ditto, religion.

That said, whether a presidential candidate has personal sympathies that diverge from the best interests of the country he proposes to lead is ALWAYS relevant...the more so now, with so much evidence of chicanery. And the more so, in my opinion, when we are at war with a Muslim nation and the formative years of a candidate with a Muslim name...in itself, unprecedented...are substantially obscured.

THAT said, McCain sounded like a complete moron at the debate..."I KNOW how to do this. I KNOW what to do." Yeah, we could tell.

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How do you KNOW that Barack Hussein Obama is not a Muslim operative? I have been asking that question since at least December of last year and have only ever received insult and ridicule in response, never an answer.

Well, if he is, then we'll find out if Ron Paul is right. If they hate us because we're free, we'll all be living under Sharia law (or so they say.)

If they hate us because we keep dropping bombs on them, we'll stop and the world will go on.