LibertyInJeopardy
10-09-2008, 08:12 AM
Please see:
http://slaveuprising.com/forum/showthread.php?t=111 (http://slaveuprising.com/forum/showthread.php?t=111)
Then please bring attention to this thread by joining the discussion here.
Usually the term "Constiutional Convention" mean to re-draft it. A 'Convention in Defense of the Constitution' might not confuse as much.
I agree.
My worry is that we'd get the wrong people there, and because many of the people have been brought up to expect and love the Nanny State, that we might be in a tough spot.
The message about this convention, most likely, would naturally spread best among our own movement because our focus is already on the constitution. At the very least, if the idea does draw in many outside groups, the convention is strictly focused on the Constitution so it will likely only attract people who will represent a genuine concern for its safety even if they have disagreements in some other areas.
But anyway, I'd run in WV.
Excellent.
Anyway, point being that everybody thinks their idea of freedom and the world is the best. Having an open congress would have everybody and their granny there for to be the next president. There's got to be an easier way.
Having an open congress would ensure that the resulting plans would be acceptable to our ideology's representatives but will also be tempered by competition in the convention with others so any such plans are likely to have even greater mass appeal.
Besides, the convention is not about deciding on ideology. It is about what to do in order to defend the constitution. Our concern for the constitution and its protections will unite us.
Also, we need to make sure we frame this in just the perfect light. Certain agencies might take offense as it could be construed as treason. They kinda shoot/hang people for that.
If we portray it as "A Convention in the Defense of the Constitution" and the government attempts to trample on our constitutional rights the government will have immediately given us the ammunition to wake up a great number of additional people to our concerns for the state of our liberties.
I like the convention idea. What if we held 50-100 (some starts are large) State Conventions. Then those Conventions deal with their State level issues. Each Convention elects a delegation of some appropriate number (divisions like in Congress make sense, say 2 +a population thing) of Delegates to our National Convention. We deal with the National Constitutional crises there, and report back to our States.
Individual state conventions could be good and I'd personally support that idea later, but I think we need to recognize that our movement is very dispersed right now and needs to become focused to action on a national scale and what better way to do that than to delegate all of our concerns and energy to state representatives who can then come back to us with plans we can all agree to act upon in unity?
We will always be individuals and will always have our local opportunities, but national action is what can bring the most attention and really get the ball rolling.
A 'special election' in my county costs $140k. So doing that nation-wide... not really do-able. That kind of leaves internet and mail. How do we solicit voters for this? Direct mail, tv, radio, internet? Funds: can we afford to pay for hotels, flights, etc? If yes, great? We need to get started, because this will take some time to plan well, and we're operating on a very short time-line.
I agree. It would have to be internet based at first most likely. We could solicit them the same way our movement usually does any sort of message spreading - viral videos and message boards.
http://slaveuprising.com/forum/showthread.php?t=111 (http://slaveuprising.com/forum/showthread.php?t=111)
Then please bring attention to this thread by joining the discussion here.
Usually the term "Constiutional Convention" mean to re-draft it. A 'Convention in Defense of the Constitution' might not confuse as much.
I agree.
My worry is that we'd get the wrong people there, and because many of the people have been brought up to expect and love the Nanny State, that we might be in a tough spot.
The message about this convention, most likely, would naturally spread best among our own movement because our focus is already on the constitution. At the very least, if the idea does draw in many outside groups, the convention is strictly focused on the Constitution so it will likely only attract people who will represent a genuine concern for its safety even if they have disagreements in some other areas.
But anyway, I'd run in WV.
Excellent.
Anyway, point being that everybody thinks their idea of freedom and the world is the best. Having an open congress would have everybody and their granny there for to be the next president. There's got to be an easier way.
Having an open congress would ensure that the resulting plans would be acceptable to our ideology's representatives but will also be tempered by competition in the convention with others so any such plans are likely to have even greater mass appeal.
Besides, the convention is not about deciding on ideology. It is about what to do in order to defend the constitution. Our concern for the constitution and its protections will unite us.
Also, we need to make sure we frame this in just the perfect light. Certain agencies might take offense as it could be construed as treason. They kinda shoot/hang people for that.
If we portray it as "A Convention in the Defense of the Constitution" and the government attempts to trample on our constitutional rights the government will have immediately given us the ammunition to wake up a great number of additional people to our concerns for the state of our liberties.
I like the convention idea. What if we held 50-100 (some starts are large) State Conventions. Then those Conventions deal with their State level issues. Each Convention elects a delegation of some appropriate number (divisions like in Congress make sense, say 2 +a population thing) of Delegates to our National Convention. We deal with the National Constitutional crises there, and report back to our States.
Individual state conventions could be good and I'd personally support that idea later, but I think we need to recognize that our movement is very dispersed right now and needs to become focused to action on a national scale and what better way to do that than to delegate all of our concerns and energy to state representatives who can then come back to us with plans we can all agree to act upon in unity?
We will always be individuals and will always have our local opportunities, but national action is what can bring the most attention and really get the ball rolling.
A 'special election' in my county costs $140k. So doing that nation-wide... not really do-able. That kind of leaves internet and mail. How do we solicit voters for this? Direct mail, tv, radio, internet? Funds: can we afford to pay for hotels, flights, etc? If yes, great? We need to get started, because this will take some time to plan well, and we're operating on a very short time-line.
I agree. It would have to be internet based at first most likely. We could solicit them the same way our movement usually does any sort of message spreading - viral videos and message boards.