"First Amendment is not any guarantee to those who wish to disrupt the government."

[JoshLowry]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/10/07/AR2008100703245.html?hpid=topnews

Md. Police Put Activists' Names On Terror Lists

The Maryland State Police classified 53 nonviolent activists as terrorists and entered their names and personal information into state and federal databases that track terrorism suspects, the state police chief acknowledged yesterday.

Police Superintendent Terrence B. Sheridan revealed at a legislative hearing that the surveillance operation, which targeted opponents of the death penalty and the Iraq war, was far more extensive than was known when its existence was disclosed in July.

"I don't believe the First Amendment is any guarantee to those who wish to disrupt the government," Hutchins Said.




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[Truth Warrior]

Amendment I

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress (http://www.usconstitution.net/glossary.html#REDRESS) of grievances.

:rolleyes:

[sratiug]

Unbelievable. Biggest story since the crash of 08.

[angelatc]

Nothing to see folks, just move along. Papers please.

[Danke]

:eek:


Md. Police Put Activists' Names On Terror Lists
Surveillance's Reach Revealed

By Lisa Rein
Washington Post Staff Writer
Wednesday, October 8, 2008; A01

The Maryland State Police classified 53 nonviolent activists as terrorists and entered their names and personal information into state and federal databases that track terrorism suspects, the state police chief acknowledged yesterday.

Police Superintendent Terrence B. Sheridan revealed at a legislative hearing that the surveillance operation, which targeted opponents of the death penalty and the Iraq war, was far more extensive than was known when its existence was disclosed in July.

The department started sending letters of notification Saturday to the activists, inviting them to review their files before they are purged from the databases, Sheridan said.

"The names don't belong in there," he told the Senate Judicial Proceedings Committee. "It's as simple as that."

The surveillance took place over 14 months in 2005 and 2006, under the administration of former governor Robert L. Ehrlich Jr. (R). The former state police superintendent who authorized the operation, Thomas E. Hutchins, defended the program in testimony yesterday. Hutchins said the program was a bulwark against potential violence and called the activists "fringe people."

Sheridan said protest groups were also entered as terrorist organizations in the databases, but his staff has not identified which ones.

Stunned senators pressed Sheridan to apologize to the activists for the spying, assailed in an independent review last week as "overreaching" by law enforcement officials who were oblivious to their violation of the activists' rights of free expression and association. The letter, obtained by The Washington Post, does not apologize but admits that the state police have "no evidence whatsoever of any involvement in violent crime" by those classified as terrorists.

Hutchins told the committee it was not accurate to describe the program as spying. "I doubt anyone who has used that term has ever met a spy," he told the committee.

"What John Walker did is spying," Hutchins said, referring to John Walker Jr., a communications specialist for the U.S. Navy convicted of selling secrets to the Soviet Union. Hutchins said the intelligence agents, whose logs were obtained by the American Civil Liberties Union of Maryland as part of a lawsuit, were monitoring "open public meetings." His officers sought a "situational awareness" of the potential for disruption as death penalty opponents prepared to protest the executions of two men on death row, Hutchins said.

"I don't believe the First Amendment is any guarantee to those who wish to disrupt the government," he said. Hutchins said he did not notify Ehrlich about the surveillance. Ehrlich spokesman Henry Fawell said the governor had no comment.

Hutchins did not name the commander in the Division of Homeland Security and Intelligence who informed him in March 2005 that the surveillance had begun. More than a year later, after "they said, 'We're not getting much here,' " Hutchins said he cut off what he called a "low-level operation."

But Sen. James Brochin (D-Baltimore County) noted that undercover troopers used aliases to infiltrate organizational meetings, rallies and group e-mail lists. He called the spying a "deliberate infiltration to find out every piece of information necessary" on groups such as the Maryland Campaign to End the Death Penalty and the Baltimore Pledge of Resistance. When Hutchins called their members "fringe people," the audience of activists who filled the seats in the hearing room in Annapolis sighed.

Some activists said yesterday that they have received letters; others said they were waiting with anticipation to see whether they were on the state police watch list.

Laura Lising of Catonsville, a member of the Baltimore Coalition Against the Death Penalty, received her notification yesterday. She said she wants a hard copy of her file, because she does not trust the police to purge it. "We need as much protection as possible," she said.

Both Hutchins and Sheridan said the activists' names were entered into the state police database as terrorists partly because the software offered limited options for classifying entries.

The police also entered the activists' names into the federal Washington-Baltimore High Intensity Drug Trafficking Area database, which tracks suspected terrorists. One well-known antiwar activist from Baltimore, Max Obuszewski, was singled out in the intelligence logs released by the ACLU, which described a "primary crime" of "terrorism-anti-government" and a "secondary crime" of "terrorism-anti-war protesters."

Sheridan said that he did not think the names were circulated to other agencies in the federal system and that they are not on the federal government's terrorist watch list. Hutchins said some names might have been shared with the National Security Agency.

Although the independent report on the surveillance released last week said that it was part of a broad effort by the state police to gather information on protest groups across the state, Sheridan said the department is not aware of any surveillance as "intrusive" as the spying on death penalty and war opponents.

The police notified the protesters at the recommendation of former U.S. attorney and state attorney general Stephen H. Sachs, who was appointed by Gov. Martin O'Malley (D) to review the covert monitoring. In a report last week, Sachs also recommended regulations that forbid such spying on protest groups unless the state police chief believes it is justified.

"I can't imagine getting a letter that says, 'You've been classified as a terrorist; come in and we'll tell about it,'" said Sen. Bryan W. Simonaire (R-Anne Arundel). Two senators noted that they had been arrested years ago for civil disobedience. Sen. Jennie Forehand (D-Montgomery) asked Sheridan, "Do you have any legislators on your list?" The answer was no.

[Truth Warrior]

The Rise of the Fourth Reich
The Secret Societies That Threaten to Take Over America
By Jim Marrs
http://www.harpercollins.com/books/9780061245589/The_Rise_of_the_Fourth_Reich/index.aspx (http://www.harpercollins.com/books/9780061245589/The_Rise_of_the_Fourth_Reich/index.aspx)

[Kade]

Unbelievable.

I'm seeing it in my lifetime. The insanity really is beginning. We can all agree on the need to do something about this... this is the biggest story in my adult life. This is insane.

[slothman]

This reminds me of the "alien and sedition acts".
Under both Wilson and Adams people were arrested for disagreing of wars.
Some who didn't like the US's involvment in WW1 was arrested.
In fact SCOTUS(supreme) agreed that is was a valid law and put the guy in jail.
We haven't even had the protections of Amendment 1 since the 1700's.

[dannno]

This is the bastard who made that statement:


http://www.msa.md.gov/msa/mdmanual/23dsp/images/1198-1-281c.jpg

http://www.msa.md.gov/msa/mdmanual/23dsp/former/html/msa12248.html

[RickyJ]

The entire constitution is not guaranteed. Unless people are willing to stand up for their rights under the Constitution then a piece of paper with writing on it will do nothing for them. It is obvious that Congress and the courts could care less about the Constitution. Soon they will not even pretend they follow that old relic anymore.

[RickyJ]

This is the bastard who made that statement:


http://www.msa.md.gov/msa/mdmanual/23dsp/images/1198-1-281c.jpg

http://www.msa.md.gov/msa/mdmanual/23dsp/former/html/msa12248.html

Yikes! :eek:

That guy forgot to take his Halloween mask off last year.

[ItsTime]

who has fax numbers?

[JoshLowry]

bump

[Highland]

This is the bastard who made that statement:


http://www.msa.md.gov/msa/mdmanual/23dsp/images/1198-1-281c.jpg

http://www.msa.md.gov/msa/mdmanual/23dsp/former/html/msa12248.html

look fellas, don't blame this guy...he hasn't read the constitution in a long time...the poor soul, he can't get a hold of a copy around DC...we should flood his office with copies so he has a few so he can definitely find one!

[Highland]

Maybe the swirly/fancy handwriting of the Constitution is difficult to read for these people when they do see it! We should make some cool font copies so they think it is really hip....Re-Market the Constitution! Now there is a novel idea. We definitely need to do some "Brand Management" on the Constitution...can I get an Amen.!

[Highland]

We need hip Pocket Constitutions....Ipod versions that are Flash Based! Homies and Heroes will be one and the same! Yeah!

[jkr]

--

[afmatt]

can we egg this "person's" house

Not unless you want added to "the list" and possibly shot.
:mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:

[Highland]

Not unless you want added to "the list" and possibly shot.
:mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:

Yes...Education is always the answer.....Ron Paul's hero is Ghandi....remember:)

[Soccrmastr]

I cant wait till the day that the people on the government end telling us what to do are on stakes pleading for their lives after the revolution comes

[Highland]

--

what is up with striking your comments/??

[Vote Waterman 2028]

Both Hutchins and Sheridan said the activists' names were entered into the state police database as terrorists partly because the software offered limited options for classifying entries

Like anyone is going to believe that bullshit. There are hundreds if not thousands of classifications for people in police databases. that is one of the worst excuses i have heard for anything in my life lol

[xerigen]

This is one of the most sickening articles I've ever read. Wow.

[micahnelson]

Both Hutchins and Sheridan said the activists' names were entered into the state police database as terrorists partly because the software offered limited options for classifying entries


What would be worse in this case?

1) Lying- they called them terrorists because they want to call them terrorists.

2) Telling the truth- the software developed and approved by law enforcement see no difference between "disturbing the peace", "unlawful assembly", and "Terrorism"

[ryanduff]

No, Sir. You CAN NOT take back your government. WE are in control.

[tropicangela]

Patriot Act at work.

[enjerth]

look fellas, don't blame this guy...he hasn't read the constitution in a long time...the poor soul, he can't get a hold of a copy around DC...we should flood his office with copies so he has a few so he can definitely find one!

I was thinking of faxing him a copy of the Declaration of Independence and ask him if he's put the author of THAT anti-government rant on the terror watch list.


We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.

That Jefferson guy is on the fringe.

[enjerth]

What would be worse in this case?

1) Lying- they called them terrorists because they want to call them terrorists.

2) Telling the truth- the software developed and approved by law enforcement see no difference between "disturbing the peace", "unlawful assembly", and "Terrorism"

Um... what is "unlawful assembly"?

[V4Vendetta]

Arghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

tar and feathers!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Carole]

rout riot, and unlawful assembly
From: The Columbia Encyclopedia, Sixth Edition | Date: 2008 | Copyright information

rout riot, and unlawful assembly in law, varying degrees of concerted disturbance of the peace. At common law, an unlawful assembly is a gathering of at least three persons whose conduct causes observers to reasonably fear that a breach of the peace will result. When the meeting is a furtherance of a criminal conspiracy , the participation of only two persons will suffice to constitute the crime of unlawful assembly. Under British law, the Riot Act (1716) required that a sheriff, judge, or other authority appear before an unruly crowd and read a declaration ordering them to disperse, on penalty of arrest. Modern statutes have freed the crime of unlawful assembly from some of its technicalities. Thus, there are municipal ordinances that make unlawful an unlicensed street assembly that blocks traffic even if there is no danger of tumult. An unlawful assembly becomes a rout when the participants take some step to achieve their common purpose; e.g., if three men who have assembled to commit arson proceed toward the building that they intend to set on fire, they are guilty of a rout even if they never reach their goal. There is a riot if violence actually results from an unlawful assembly. If a police officer (or other officer of the peace) commands bystanders at a riot to help him in repressing it, they must obey on pain of themselves being deemed rioters. The First Amendment to the U.S. Constitution protects the "right of the people peaceably to assemble," and has provided protection for many types of assembly, including some forms of picketing and demonstrations.

Author not available, RIOT, ROUT, AND UNLAWFUL ASSEMBLY., The Columbia Encyclopedia, Sixth Edition 2008

http://www.encyclopedia.com/doc/fullarticle/1E1-riot-rou.html

[Dequeant]

Well, if that's the case then the law is no protection for those who try to pervert the constitution.

[kathy88]

This is out of fucking control.

[anaconda]

Shall we do some form of organizing against this? Money bomb pledges for legal fees for a lawsuit? Something?

[kathy88]

We need to get some lawyers involved in this movement.

[enjerth]

rout riot, and unlawful assembly
From: The Columbia Encyclopedia, Sixth Edition | Date: 2008 | Copyright information

rout riot, and unlawful assembly in law, varying degrees of concerted disturbance of the peace. At common law, an unlawful assembly is a gathering of at least three persons whose conduct causes observers to reasonably fear that a breach of the peace will result. When the meeting is a furtherance of a criminal conspiracy , the participation of only two persons will suffice to constitute the crime of unlawful assembly. Under British law, the Riot Act (1716) required that a sheriff, judge, or other authority appear before an unruly crowd and read a declaration ordering them to disperse, on penalty of arrest. Modern statutes have freed the crime of unlawful assembly from some of its technicalities. Thus, there are municipal ordinances that make unlawful an unlicensed street assembly that blocks traffic even if there is no danger of tumult. An unlawful assembly becomes a rout when the participants take some step to achieve their common purpose; e.g., if three men who have assembled to commit arson proceed toward the building that they intend to set on fire, they are guilty of a rout even if they never reach their goal. There is a riot if violence actually results from an unlawful assembly. If a police officer (or other officer of the peace) commands bystanders at a riot to help him in repressing it, they must obey on pain of themselves being deemed rioters. The First Amendment to the U.S. Constitution protects the "right of the people peaceably to assemble," and has provided protection for many types of assembly, including some forms of picketing and demonstrations.

Author not available, RIOT, ROUT, AND UNLAWFUL ASSEMBLY., The Columbia Encyclopedia, Sixth Edition 2008

http://www.encyclopedia.com/doc/fullarticle/1E1-riot-rou.html

Ahh. So it's really when conspiring or attempting to commit a crime, or actually perpetrating a crime, it may be called "unlawful assembly".

It has such an authoritarian sound when you call it "unlawful assembly". I generally prefer to call crimes for the actual offense, rather than relating it to something that is otherwise lawful. For instance, I would rather call stealing (and eating) food simply "theft" rather than "unlawful digestion".

[SeanEdwards]

I cant wait till the day that the people on the government end telling us what to do are on stakes pleading for their lives after the revolution comes

Welcome to the terrorist watch list buddy.

[freelance]

Maybe the swirly/fancy handwriting of the Constitution is difficult to read for these people when they do see it! We should make some cool font copies so they think it is really hip....Re-Market the Constitution! Now there is a novel idea. We definitely need to do some "Brand Management" on the Constitution...can I get an Amen.!

Comic Sans font might work.

[hotbrownsauce]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/10/07/AR2008100703245.html?hpid=topnews

Md. Police Put Activists' Names On Terror Lists

The Maryland State Police classified 53 nonviolent activists as terrorists and entered their names and personal information into state and federal databases that track terrorism suspects, the state police chief acknowledged yesterday.

Police Superintendent Terrence B. Sheridan revealed at a legislative hearing that the surveillance operation, which targeted opponents of the death penalty and the Iraq war, was far more extensive than was known when its existence was disclosed in July.

"I don't believe the First Amendment is any guarantee to those who wish to disrupt the government," Hutchins Said.




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What a perverted misunderstanding.

These are the kind of men and women patrolling our streets giving good cops bad names. We've been moving towards a police state communist society for years and this is just another thing added on the pile that us youngins are noticing happening in our life time.

Sickening.


I am however glad someone took notice and gave a figurative bi*ch slap to those idiots who put their names on the list.

[AbolishTheGovt]

This is the bastard who made that statement:


http://www.msa.md.gov/msa/mdmanual/23dsp/images/1198-1-281c.jpg

http://www.msa.md.gov/msa/mdmanual/23dsp/former/html/msa12248.html

Looks like Chris Farley playing Andrew Giuliani on SNL.

[smileylovesfreedom]

Oh no. I hope I'm not on a terror watch list after being arrested at the RNC. :(

[SeanEdwards]

They're making a list,
and checking it twice.
Gonna find out
who's naughty or nice.
DHS is coming
to town.

[tpreitzel]

This is the bastard who made that statement:


http://www.msa.md.gov/msa/mdmanual/23dsp/images/1198-1-281c.jpg

http://www.msa.md.gov/msa/mdmanual/23dsp/former/html/msa12248.html

Time to run this sucker out of town, state, and country!

[Trigonx]

They're making a list,
and checking it twice.
Gonna find out
who's naughty or nice.
DHS is coming
to town.

hahaha very nice.

[tpreitzel]

On second thought, why don't we, the people, start keeping a database on these traitors and their crimes? The process has already begun somewhat in another forum with passage of the bailout of Wall Street. Personally, I think it's essential to start consolidating a database on American traitors, their crimes as defined by federal and state constitutions. Since most of the law is corrupt, stick to the written constitutions. Others can link or copy the database as needed. Think of this project as a sort of WikiPedia of constitutional traitors. This data can help us keep track of these traitors if they ever relocate into OUR communities.

[Razorback Fan]

On second thought, why don't we, the people, start keeping a database on these traitors and their crimes? The process has already begun somewhat in another forum with passage of the bailout of Wall Street. Personally, I think it's essential to start consolidating a database on American traitors, their crimes as defined by federal and state constitutions. Since most of the law is corrupt, stick to the written constitutions. Others can link or copy the database as needed. Think of this project as a sort of WikiPedia of constitutional traitors. This data can help us keep track of these traitors if they ever relocate into OUR communities.

That is a cool idea!

[MoneyWhereMyMouthIs2]

Both Hutchins and Sheridan said the activists' names were entered into the state police database as terrorists partly because the software offered limited options for classifying entries

Like anyone is going to believe that bullshit. There are hundreds if not thousands of classifications for people in police databases. that is one of the worst excuses i have heard for anything in my life lol

They also shouldn't be entered into a database as war protestors, activists, or anything else.

It's ok. I'm starting to like it when police agencies out themselves as being there to protect the state instead of being there to protect the people. Nothing will change if people believe the lies they're told.

[Maverick]

I know a lot of you hate Olbermann because he's a "left gatekeeper" or whatever the hell it is you call him, but I'm impressed with him right now. He picked up this story and gave this guy one of his 'Worst Person in the World' awards on his show tonight. :cool:

[powerofreason]

I know a lot of you hate Olbermann because he's a "left gatekeeper" or whatever the hell it is you call him, but I'm impressed with him right now. He picked up this story and gave this guy one of his 'Worst Person in the World' awards on his show tonight. :cool:

nice.

[MikeStanart]

On second thought, why don't we, the people, start keeping a database on these traitors and their crimes? The process has already begun somewhat in another forum with passage of the bailout of Wall Street. Personally, I think it's essential to start consolidating a database on American traitors, their crimes as defined by federal and state constitutions. Since most of the law is corrupt, stick to the written constitutions. Others can link or copy the database as needed. Think of this project as a sort of WikiPedia of constitutional traitors. This data can help us keep track of these traitors if they ever relocate into OUR communities.

This is one of the better ideas I've heard in a while!

[Anti Federalist]

On second thought, why don't we, the people, start keeping a database on these traitors and their crimes? The process has already begun somewhat in another forum with passage of the bailout of Wall Street. Personally, I think it's essential to start consolidating a database on American traitors, their crimes as defined by federal and state constitutions. Since most of the law is corrupt, stick to the written constitutions. Others can link or copy the database as needed. Think of this project as a sort of WikiPedia of constitutional traitors. This data can help us keep track of these traitors if they ever relocate into OUR communities.

You're acessing that database right now.

How about a "Police State" subforum?

To everybody else reading:

Is it becoming fucking clear yet???!!!:mad:

[liberteebell]

On second thought, why don't we, the people, start keeping a database on these traitors and their crimes? The process has already begun somewhat in another forum with passage of the bailout of Wall Street. Personally, I think it's essential to start consolidating a database on American traitors, their crimes as defined by federal and state constitutions. Since most of the law is corrupt, stick to the written constitutions. Others can link or copy the database as needed. Think of this project as a sort of WikiPedia of constitutional traitors. This data can help us keep track of these traitors if they ever relocate into OUR communities.


Complete with "Wanted for High Crimes & Treason" posters for the post office? :cool:

[Knightskye]

They're not disrupting the government. They're restoring it. :mad:

[tpreitzel]

You're acessing that database right now.

How about a "Police State" subforum?

To everybody else reading:

Is it becoming fucking clear yet???!!!:mad:

Personally, I'm thinking of a more structured project where the data is easily transferable to different network systems, e.g. LAN, WAN (Internet, BBS), with version and time stamps from a single source. * RPFs could be used, but we'd likely need to create sections for all 50 states and their constitutions and one for the federal constitution. Then, we'd need to create a database of constitutional traitors with pertinent identifying information and a list of their crimes against those respective constitutions. The database would primarily be searched by name, but it needs other identifying characteristics, e.g. profession and photographs, in case names are changed.

I must leave the details of the implementation to capable and talented patriots. Good luck in whatever format you select.



* Problematic if the single source is compromised by corruption, control or disconnection. I suppose backups and distributed versions of the database would enable recovery of most of the data anyway.

[tpreitzel]

Complete with "Wanted for High Crimes & Treason" posters for the post office? :cool:

Why not? ;)

[tropicangela]

So many people went down in history books as heroes for being activists. Now they are terrorists. I'm awake.

[Chester Copperpot]

This is the bastard who made that statement:


http://www.msa.md.gov/msa/mdmanual/23dsp/images/1198-1-281c.jpg

http://www.msa.md.gov/msa/mdmanual/23dsp/former/html/msa12248.html

Gee we should find out where this guy lives and give him a phone call... Id be happy to call him up and educate him on the Constitution.. stupid arrogant prick that he is.

How about we get all of *HIS* information and put that into *OUR* database huh? Think he would like that? And Our database will be titled "Unpatriotic Americans"

[Paulitical Correctness]

I could use a revolutionary hug right about now. This bullshit, topped off with a [disgustingly redacted] ethics report released in my city (not pretty..) has got me in a real bad mood.

My hope tank is running low. Nobody seems to care about our country and it really saddens me.

/sigh

[Anti Federalist]

I could use a revolutionary hug right about now. This bullshit, topped off with a [disgustingly redacted] ethics report released in my city (not pretty..) has got me in a real bad mood.

My hope tank is running low. Nobody seems to care about our country and it really saddens me.

/sigh

Hugs my brother, with ammo in one hand and silver in the other.:cool:

[sratiug]

On second thought, why don't we, the people, start keeping a database on these traitors and their crimes? The process has already begun somewhat in another forum with passage of the bailout of Wall Street. Personally, I think it's essential to start consolidating a database on American traitors, their crimes as defined by federal and state constitutions. Since most of the law is corrupt, stick to the written constitutions. Others can link or copy the database as needed. Think of this project as a sort of WikiPedia of constitutional traitors. This data can help us keep track of these traitors if they ever relocate into OUR communities.

Yes, this is a great idea.

[JoshLowry]

On second thought, why don't we, the people, start keeping a database on these traitors and their crimes? The process has already begun somewhat in another forum with passage of the bailout of Wall Street. Personally, I think it's essential to start consolidating a database on American traitors, their crimes as defined by federal and state constitutions. Since most of the law is corrupt, stick to the written constitutions. Others can link or copy the database as needed. Think of this project as a sort of WikiPedia of constitutional traitors. This data can help us keep track of these traitors if they ever relocate into OUR communities.

http://slaveuprising.com/forum/showthread.php?t=72

[parke]

Luckily, the second amendment protects those against a tyrannical government. Oops.. Did I say that out loud?

[acptulsa]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/10/07/AR2008100703245.html?referrer=digg

Sorry if this was posted and I missed it.

[JoshLowry]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/10/07/AR2008100703245.html?referrer=digg

Sorry if this was posted and I missed it.

It's the first line of text in this thread. :p

[Danke]

On second thought, why don't we, the people, start keeping a database on these traitors and their crimes? The process has already begun somewhat in another forum with passage of the bailout of Wall Street. Personally, I think it's essential to start consolidating a database on American traitors, their crimes as defined by federal and state constitutions. Since most of the law is corrupt, stick to the written constitutions. Others can link or copy the database as needed. Think of this project as a sort of WikiPedia of constitutional traitors. This data can help us keep track of these traitors if they ever relocate into OUR communities.

I would at a minimum have the server out of country and anonymous .

They will try to shut it down.

[acptulsa]

It's the first line of text in this thread. :p

O.K., I'll say it. Duh.