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free.alive
10-08-2008, 12:24 AM
Not Ron Paul Republican (well, actually, that too!)

It makes no sense on the surface. But, you see, I believe you can be anarcho-capitalist and be a Republican.

A political party is a private organization. It serves as a vehicle of ideas regarding the state.

A Rothbard republican is simply a Republican that works toward Rothbardian aims. Not returning to the Constitution, although would likely preclude achieving the ideals of Murray Rothbard. Not a minimal state, which begs the question, 'Minimal compared to what?"

A Rothbard republican is simply a Republican who seeks to use the political process to peacefully and gracefully bring about the abolition of the state. First, you likely have to reduce the state to Constitutional limits, then beyond - say to the limits set by the Articles of Confederation. Then less, and less, and less. Until, finally...

Rothbard republicans... Republicans engaging the state. Republicans charging toward Liberty!

Conza88
10-08-2008, 12:38 AM
Not Ron Paul Republican (well, actually, that too!)

It makes no sense on the surface.

You can say that again.... lol ;)

I see where you are coming from. Rothbard did support voting... obviously for freedom candidates.

"Tactics Rothbard criticized the "frenzied nihilism" of left-wing libertarians but also criticized right-wing libertarians who were content to rely only on education to bring down the state; he believed that libertarians should adopt any non-immoral tactic available to them in order to bring about liberty.[17] (Lora, Ronald & Longton, Henry. 1999. The Conservative Press in Twentieth-Century America. Greenwood Press. p. 369)" - Wiki >.<

It's the same as Ron Paul approach really, vote, try take it from within etc.

Rothbard was in the Libertarian Party; caucus... associated with it for awhile etc...

TBH, calling yourself a Rothbard Republican - sullies his name {Rothbards}... especially in today's environment {What Republicans have done}. That's my opinion.. but hey whatever floats your boat... I guess it depends on the context.... Why ditch the Ron Paul Republican? Want to avoid the esoteric agenda / stigma that was attached to Ron Paul's name? :confused: Why? He's been right all along... and people are waking up to this fact. Don't give it up.... :D

It's all a bit odd to me..... Rothbard - Anarcho-Capitalist.... he'd get rid of the party entirely if he had the chance.. :)

Brassmouth
10-08-2008, 12:46 AM
Yeah, I'd have to say you're greatly dishonoring the man by attaching his name to the "big R" Republican label.

free.alive
10-08-2008, 01:03 AM
Rothbard republican

forgive me, I'm editing the title.

Conza88
10-08-2008, 01:11 AM
I really don't get the BIG L, little l, Big R, little R fiascso...

You're changing a letter in a label, which is meant to be descriptive... :confused:

Call yourself a Rothbardian... not some damn republican. Call yourself an anarcho-capitalist working within the Republican Party to restore liberty... call yourself a L(l)ibertarian working in whatever damn party you want...

You can do what Bob Conley wants... if it's more plausible to get into office through democratic side, then go for it... :p

free.alive
10-08-2008, 01:14 AM
Conza, with your feathers ruffled, I'm curious - and I'm only trying to understand your perspective by asking this - are you working within the Republican Party or do you plan to?

mport1
10-08-2008, 01:37 AM
Sounds good to me. I'm for any non-violent method that aims to reduce or eliminate the state.

Conza88
10-08-2008, 01:40 AM
Conza, with your feathers ruffled, I'm curious - and I'm only trying to understand your perspective by asking this - are you working within the Republican Party or do you plan to?

Hehe... :D

Well, I'm from down under. I'm for anyone who wants to move towards liberty, both economic & social. Big tent is best... which is particularly needed here down under... i.e I & a few other rp supporters have gotten together (realised there were more of us) through meetups etc, and are in the process of making an aussie dedicated site http://www.libertyaustralia.org.au/ (not open to the public yet :p) but she's being filled with "Liberty Lessons" atm... going to be part mises.org/lewrockwell... Except we've got several sections; and there are certain pressing issues here atm... anti-fluoride campaigns.. civil liberty groups... anti war.... economic freedom... we plan to get those all on board, and publish in the proper sections.. with the idea being they'll naturally stray to the other sections of the site. :p

Anyway; I've probably said way to much. :eek: Whatever is the best way to get the message out. If that is through the Republican party; sure. If that is through the Democrats, sure... Libertarians... Constitutionalists... Green party even (full property rights etc..) :D then sure. Or agorism especially... :D

Would I be working within the Republican party if I lived over there? That's a very good question... it'd really depend on what the local community was like, and who is currently running the local party.

I'd probably take more pleasure in getting the message out, running against those douchebags (if they are neocons etc.) that fighting within it... I would have more than likely worked within it... fought tooth and nail... been circumvented by power mad puppets who break the law... if they had worked with / elected you as the representative and you've got free will to knock at the dems, and what the repubs should stand for, what you would represent then all the more power to ya! :D But yeah, should that not have happened I'd probably get bitter and run against...

The thing is though; you don't need to get into power - to win....

How I Won in the Election (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=147777)

It's the message that counts. So if you try to work within the party; they don't choose you as it's spokesperson / representative.. you really aren't getting the message out. Even just being able to get on a few radio shows, say you are running against, what you stand for... take a few pot shots at the FED and both parties, then you've done real good... :)

Now, I should stop.. really have rambled. But really, I just don't see what calling yourself a Rothbard republican will change? :)

free.alive
10-08-2008, 02:50 AM
Well, I now know where you're coming from. I just had no idea how far.

Killer that you're fighting the fight over there. Based on all the Aussies I've met in my travels, I for some reason figured you guys would take less shit than the typical sheepish suburbanite American.

I've fought withing the party, been abused a little, and now phase two starts. Neither do I want to say too much. hehe.

Don't worry, though. We're all inclusive. First the Repubs, then the Dems. If we have at least 4 liberty folks in a precinct, well we have 4 parties we can run for precinct chair in.

As for me, for now, the best concession the Repubs will get from me is Rothbard republican. They'll give me puzzled looks. Great! Slowly I'll explain the full extent of what that means. I can then control the message, not CNN, FOX, the Times, the War Street Journal, MSNBC, ABC or the RNC.

When it clicks, then the message will take over.

You see, Ron Paul republican means instant ostracization here in WA state.

free.alive
10-08-2008, 02:55 AM
This discussion has gotten way too serious but...

Furthermore, here in WA we have the 'Mainstream' Republicans, really the socialist republicans. There are the Reagan Republicans, really the neocons. Then there are the Conservative Republicans, the populist theocrats.

Why not have the Anarcho-capitalist Republicans. That's too long a name though. Ron Paul is too divisive and makes people shut their ears and their dull minds. Rothbard is very accurate and may invite their curiosity.

Whatever.

Conza88
10-08-2008, 03:24 AM
This discussion has gotten way too serious but...

Furthermore, here in WA we have the 'Mainstream' Republicans, really the socialist republicans. There are the Reagan Republicans, really the neocons. Then there are the Conservative Republicans, the populist theocrats.

Why not have the Anarcho-capitalist Republicans. That's too long a name though. Ron Paul is too divisive and makes people shut their ears and their dull minds. Rothbard is very accurate and may invite their curiosity.

Whatever.

Hahah yeah I tend to do that... :D

It'd be sweet until the state attacks his name... oddly though; I don't think that would happen... Airing Rothbard's name on air would probably get you fired... ;)

free.alive
10-08-2008, 03:27 AM
Well, at that point- fuck 'em.