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blancmange
10-03-2008, 12:30 AM
Very impressed with Sarah Palin. She's incredibly glib, uplifting and witty. She pwned Biden in this debate imo. She's a sweetheart.

And I agree with Pat buchanan that she's not a neo-con. Too bad that McCain is such a knobhead. I wonder how many states he diebolded his way through?

Anyone know which states do not have diebold?

blancmange
10-03-2008, 12:37 AM
I'm drinking a micro brew right now but I really mean it, she was great.

Join The Paul Side
10-03-2008, 12:44 AM
She was a twit yesterday. She is a twit today. She will be a twit tomorrow. She is nothing more than a neocon in high heels with a script. Her whole candidacy is a dog and pony show for fake Conservatives.

RideTheDirt
10-03-2008, 12:48 AM
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Join Date
10-01-2008
Maybe you don't get it yet but we don't like McLame or Palin. Please refrain from lame ass posts.

blancmange
10-03-2008, 12:50 AM
Well we know she kisses aipacs ass but so does obama.

dr. hfn
10-03-2008, 12:51 AM
McCain dies and our Trojan Horse restores the repubic w/ help from Ron Paul :)

blancmange
10-03-2008, 12:53 AM
McCain dies and our Trojan Horse restores the repubic w/ help from Ron Paul :)

:)


Patrick J. Buchanan, Creators Syndicate, Inc.

Tuesday, September 16, 2008

Will the neocons who tutored President Bush in the ideology he pursued to the ruin of his presidency do the same for GOP vice presidential nominee Sarah Palin?

Should they succeed, they will destroy her. Yet, they are moving even now to capture this princess of the right and hope of the party.

In St. Paul, Palin was told to cancel a meeting with Phyllis Schlafly and pro-life conservatives. McCain's operatives said Palin had to rest for her Wednesday convention speech.

Yet, on Tuesday, Palin was behind closed doors with Joe Lieberman and officials of the Israeli lobby AIPAC. There, according to the Washington Post, Palin took and passed her oral exams.

"Palin assured the group of her strong support for Israel, of her desire to see the United States move its embassy from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem and of her opposition to Iran's aspirations to become a nuclear power, according to sources familiar with the meeting."

AIPAC's mission, like that of the Israeli political party Likud, is to goad America into launching air and missile strikes on any and all Iranian nuclear facilities.

AIPAC went away happy. Purred spokesman Josh Block, "We were pleased that Gov. Palin expressed her deep personal commitment to the safety and well-being of Israel."

Heading home to Alaska to prepare for her interview with Charlie Gibson, Palin was escorted by Randy Scheunemann, McCain's foreign policy guru and, until March, a hired agent of the Tbilisi regime.

Scheunemann's lobbying assignment: Bring Georgia into NATO, so U.S. troops, like 19-year-old Track Palin, will be required to fight Russia to defend a Saakashvili regime that has paid Scheunemann and his partner $730,000.

Reportedly, a phone conversation was held between Saakashvili and Palin, in which Palin committed herself to the territorial integrity of Georgia, though South Ossetia and Abkhazia have declared independence and been recognized by Moscow, which now has troops in both.

Also on Palin's plane was Steve Biegun, formerly of Bush's National Security Council, and Scheunemann's choice to tutor her. Of Biegun, Steven Clemens of the New American Foundation says, "He will turn her into an advocate of Cheneyism and Cheney's view of national security issues."

During her interview with Gibson, Palin often took a neocon line. Three times she said that, should Israel decide to attack Iran, the United States should not "second guess" Israel's decision or interfere.

This contradicts U.S. policy.

Adm. Michael Mullen, chairman of the joint chiefs, has warned Israel not to attack Iran, as the United States does not want a "third front." And the Pentagon is withholding crucial weapons the Israelis want and need to carry out any such attack.

Palin also volunteered that the Russian invasion was "unprovoked," though Georgia attacked South Ossetia first. She followed up by saying that Georgia and Ukraine should be brought into NATO.

Would that mean America would have to go to war with Russia on behalf of Georgia in any new conflict? asked Gibson.

"Perhaps so," said Palin.

Scheunemann should get a fat severance check from Saakashvili for that one.

One ex-White House aide at American Enterprise Institute, asked by Tim Shipman of the Daily Telegraph if AEI sees Palin as a "project," replied: "Your word, not mine. ... But I wouldn't disagree with the sentiment. ... She's bright, and she's a blank page. She's going places, and it's worth going there with her."

In fairness to Palin, on issues like NATO membership for Ukraine and Georgia, her answers reflect the views of the man who chose her. She has no option at present but to follow the line laid down by Scheunemann.

But make no mistake. Sarah Palin is no neocon. She did not come by her beliefs by studying Leo Strauss. She is a traditionalist whose values are those of family, faith, community and country, not some utopian ideology.

Wasilla, Alaska, is not a natural habitat of neoconservatives.

And her unrehearsed answers to Gibson's questions reveal her natural conservatism. Asked if she agrees with the Bush Doctrine, Palin asked for clarification. "In what respect, Charlie?"

Gibson: "Do we have the right of an anticipatory self-defense?"

Yes, said Palin, "if there is legitimate and enough intelligence that tells us that a strike is imminent against (the) American people, we have every right to defend our country. In fact, the president has the obligation, the duty to defend."

Exactly. The intelligence must be legit and the threat "imminent."

Interviewed by Alaska Business Monthly in March 2007 on the surge, Palin said, "I heard on the news about the new deployments, and while I support our president, I want to know that we have an exit plan in place."

That is not the language of empire or "benevolent global hegemony."

Palin may disappoint many conservatives in the next seven weeks by having to parrot the McCain-neocon line on NATO expansion, NAFTA and a "path to citizenship" for illegal aliens. But the battle for Palin's soul is not over.

For, again, the lady is no neocon. Nor is the husband Todd, first dude of Alaska and former member of the Alaska First Independence Party.

http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/09/16/ED1Q12UEVT.DTL

Menthol Patch
10-03-2008, 12:55 AM
Palin and Biden are both scum.

They are both for big government, high taxes, the war on terror, the continuation of the Federal Reserve, the continuation of the War on Drugs, etc.

Menthol Patch
10-03-2008, 12:56 AM
Sarah Palin is indeed neocon scum.

She supports the war in Iraq.
She supports the continuation of the Federal Reserve.
She supports the war on terror.
She supports the war on drugs.
She supports big government.
She supports big spending.

Liberty4Free
10-03-2008, 12:57 AM
I'm not doubting that McCain will die, but I do doubt that she'd become unbrainwashed after all she's been through already. She's spewing McCain rhetoric left and right.

Knightskye
10-03-2008, 01:00 AM
Sarah Palin is indeed neocon scum.

She supports the war in Iraq.
She supports the continuation of the Federal Reserve.
She supports the war on terror.
She supports the war on drugs.
She supports big government.
She supports big spending.

You'd put Bob Barr in the same category as Sarah Palin, even though Bob Barr does not currently support any of those things?

blancmange
10-03-2008, 01:10 AM
I dunno I think i'd take Pat Buchanan's advice before I would yours.

freelance
10-03-2008, 03:25 AM
She's vapid. She was a content-free zone last night--by design.

Monolithic
10-03-2008, 03:51 AM
She's vapid. She was a content-free zone last night--by design.

yep

she didn't give one single straight answer

LibertyForAll
10-03-2008, 03:56 AM
I'm drinking a micro brew right now but I really mean it, she was great.
After the booze wears off watch it again...SOBER. Because your alcohol level must be really high if you thought she was great.

libertarian4321
10-03-2008, 04:32 AM
She was a twit yesterday. She is a twit today. She will be a twit tomorrow. She is nothing more than a neocon in high heels with a script. Her whole candidacy is a dog and pony show for fake Conservatives.

Yup.

McCain's handlers made her memorize talking points, told her to stick to the points no matter what (even if the moderator asked something else) and marched her out. She successfully regurgitated the material.

However, she's still the same neocon twit who was thoroughly confused by Katie Couric's simple questions.

Biden, of course, was his normal boring self. The Presidential debate was bad, this was worse.

None of these people is worthy of my vote.

Working Poor
10-03-2008, 04:32 AM
I was not impressed with her canned answers...

libertarian4321
10-03-2008, 04:36 AM
I'm drinking a micro brew right now but I really mean it, she was great.

If you think Palin was great, you are either a total lightweight (drunk on one beer) or you've been drinking a LOT of microbrews.

Either that or you are a McCain loving neocon troll- my guess is this is the correct answer- am I right?

libertarian4321
10-03-2008, 04:38 AM
I was not impressed with her canned answers...

Thats the problem with the debates- you have only two points of view and both people know what the other is going to say most of the time, so you have very little "thinking" going on- its mostly regurgitation of talking points.

Thats why we need third party candidates in the debate- there hasn't been an interesting Presidential or VP debate since they let Perot debate- he threw both candidates off their "canned answers" and made the debates interesting.

blancmange
10-03-2008, 05:41 AM
She was great. I stand by my claims and agree with Pat buchanan.

Sandra
10-03-2008, 05:58 AM
I don't use Pat Buchanan as a political weathervane. I make my own observations.

blancmange
10-03-2008, 06:00 AM
I don't use Pat Buchanan as a political weathervane. I make my own observations.

So do I but I trust his views 99% of the time.

Sandra
10-03-2008, 06:00 AM
So do I but I trust his views 99% of the time.

Sad.

blancmange
10-03-2008, 06:07 AM
Sad.

Yes, YOU are.

You flamed me.

Monolithic
10-03-2008, 06:18 AM
pat buchanan is just a crazy old grandpa people like because he's not as crazy as the neoconservatives

JosephTheLibertarian
10-03-2008, 06:41 AM
Pat Buchanan has written some fine articles, but the man is a total protectionist. He's HORRIBLE on trade.

gaazn
10-03-2008, 06:57 AM
Biden won, "doggone it!" Palin falls flat for trying to use the gender/hockey mom card against someone who was a single father. And even if she shouts out, it won't make her a cool VP.

SnappleLlama
10-03-2008, 06:57 AM
They both need to perish.

D.H.
10-03-2008, 08:21 AM
Thats why we need third party candidates in the debate- there hasn't been an interesting Presidential or VP debate since they let Perot debate- he threw both candidates off their "canned answers" and made the debates interesting.

I totally agree. At least the debates were interesting back then. Actually what I saw yesterday wasn't even a debate. Due to the shortened answer time lobbied for by Palin's handlers she was just spewing out talking points whether they matched the question or not.

I am sick that the political discourse in this country has come down to this. Like a cross between an American Idol/Miss America America competition of who you "liked" - content be damned. Oh, and let me throw in Dancing with the Stars - since the fans of either side didn't see their "favorite" fall off the stage or put their foot in their mouth, we're expected to vote to keep them for another round.

I saw a replay of the 1992 VP debates on CSpan the other night and a few things struck me; most importantly is that it is 2008 and we are STILL arguing the same things in this country. Another is that Palin is compared to Quayle and that is insane; if you watched those, Qualye and Gore at least had a REAL exchange and Quayle held his own. Admiral Stockdale who was clearly not as prepared (I was mad at Perot for that) at least came off as a respectable figure and did not resort to folksy crap like winks and "Joe Six Pack" lines to get his point across when at a loss for words. Even uncomfortably unprepared, he sticked to the format and answered questions posed to him.

tonesforjonesbones
10-03-2008, 08:32 AM
I agree with the banned poster. No Sandra..LOL...You use RON PAUL as a political weathervane. lol... That's ok too, but Pat Buchanan and Ron Paul are VERY similar in their thinking. Trade seems to be the only area where they differ. I have to lean a little on Buchanan's side on the trade issue. Even Ron Paul said we could go back to tariffs etc. Whether ya'll like it or not...Palin did a wonderful job last night. I feel that we saw more of the person we first met. Even Joe Biden was grinnin...Palin is a likeable woman. I dislike the foreign policy of either of the candidates...but on domestic issues, Palin was much closer to the Constitution than Obama/ Biden. Less taxes, limit government spending, free market capitalism, etc. I wish she had addressed Obama's and the democrats role in this economic tragedy....but she didn't. The Republicans are terrified of the race card because the democrats and liberal whack job media are soo so quick to use it. That only shuts down truth. TONES

Join The Paul Side
10-03-2008, 08:33 AM
Yes, YOU are.

You flamed me.

You deseved to be flamed. Look where you're posting this crap. Recognize fool. This is Ron Paul Forums not Neocon Forums. Fox news has a special board for people like you. I suggest you take your booze and go post there with other drunk Palin lovers.

tonesforjonesbones
10-03-2008, 08:35 AM
To the above poster...there IS a catagory for "other candidates" so it is appropriate. the catagory does not say "Other Candidates Bashing Threads". tones

brandon
10-03-2008, 08:43 AM
Pat Buchanan has written some fine articles, but the man is a total protectionist. He's HORRIBLE on trade.

Here is an interesting statistic

The word 'Protectionist' has been used in 349 posts on this forum.

79 (23%) of those posts were by Joseph.

acptulsa
10-03-2008, 08:45 AM
To the above poster...there IS a catagory for "other candidates" so it is appropriate. the catagory does not say "Other Candidates Bashing Threads". tones

I certainly hope McCain's paying you well for all you do. Enough for a sack, at least.

Trolls for Jones bones. *chuckle*

And you call me an Obama troll. Funny. I dare you to find a post where I say nice things about Obama. And remember--most of us don't buy into the lesser of evils b.s., so me saying bad things about McCain doesn't count with anyone here as me saying good things about Obama...

What amazing transparency.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fBpIfVt46Bk

P.S. And, no, the fact that you used to moderate bobbarrforums doesn't give us one iota of confidence...

tonesforjonesbones
10-03-2008, 10:09 AM
Hey...I'm STILL for LIBERTY. I agree with a lot of what ya'll say...but I told you I'm pragmatic..and I believe Palin is the best hope to get someone who is liberty minded in the whitehouse. She is the lesser of 4 evils so to speak. That's my story and I'm stickin to it. I WISH I was gettin paid...could sure use the dough in these hard economic times. I'm not into protest voting...it makes no impact especially since the movement is splintered. None of those 3rd party candidates will make any impact whatsoever. The contest is between McCain and Obama...might as well accept it. If YOU want to protest vote, I respect that. I would ask you to offer me the same respect if I don't choose it. TONES

Andrew-Austin
10-03-2008, 10:19 AM
Hey...I'm STILL for LIBERTY. I agree with a lot of what ya'll say...but I told you I'm pragmatic..and I believe Palin is the best hope to get someone who is liberty minded in the whitehouse. She is the lesser of 4 evils so to speak. That's my story and I'm stickin to it. I WISH I was gettin paid...could sure use the dough in these hard economic times. I'm not into protest voting...it makes no impact especially since the movement is splintered. None of those 3rd party candidates will make any impact whatsoever. The contest is between McCain and Obama...might as well accept it. If YOU want to protest vote, I respect that. I would ask you to offer me the same respect if I don't choose it. TONES

Wow Tones, just wow. Thats all that needs to be said.

acptulsa
10-03-2008, 10:33 AM
If YOU want to protest vote, I respect that.

And are we going to remember that the next time someone with a legitimate beef with the McCain ticket speaks on this forum, and your fingers itch to falsely accuse him or her of being an Obama troll?

Because if anyone here has the attitude of a troll...

Lucille
10-03-2008, 12:19 PM
She was a twit yesterday. She is a twit today. She will be a twit tomorrow. She is nothing more than a neocon in high heels with a script. Her whole candidacy is a dog and pony show for fake Conservatives.

When McCain loses, she can go back to Alaska, run a tight ship, and hopefully people like Paul, Flake et al. can wash the neocon stench off of her and clear whatever crazy neocon ideas stuck, out of her head.

She'll win in '12 with on a fiscally conservative, more socially libertarian platform.

By then, people will have HAD it with Barry's tanking the economy further with his high taxes and dropping money bombs all over the planet to "spread democracy."

She HAS to shill for McCain. That is her job. When she was repeating the McCain talking points about the war and defending regulations, I could see on her face that she didn't believe it.

RideTheDirt
10-03-2008, 05:52 PM
If Palin loses w/ McLame, then denounces his views, joins forces w/ the Revolution and runs on a conservative/ liberty minded platform I will vote for her. We should all let her know we WOULD vote for her if she believed in our ideals, and we would work very hard to get her elected if she showed us she could lead the country to freedom.

Vote third party, and let your former party know why. If enough people did this we would force them to consider what we have to say.

LibertyForAll
10-03-2008, 06:22 PM
biden won, "doggone it!" palin falls flat for trying to use the gender/hockey mom card against someone who was a single father. And even if she shouts out, it won't make her a cool vp.

win

D.H.
10-03-2008, 10:51 PM
You might want to look at McCains ties to the PNAC Neocons (basically everyone important around him) VERY Enlightening.

http://www.indybay.org/newsitems/2008/10/01/18542437.php

I heard on TV that Palin is a GoPac Graduate and apparently did receive training. This is Newt Gingrichs old organization.

http://bigmagic.posterous.com/zombie-gingrich-gopac-and-stal

If you do a search on GoPac Palin, you will see her name but you have to be a member to go on that site.

Also UK papers see the connection

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/uselection2008/sarahpalin/2827217/Neoconservatives-plan-Project-Sarah-Palin-to-shape-future-American-foreign-policy.html

Then you can look at Gingrich and all of the rest of the PNAC players and judge for yourself. This site ties it together too. Lieberman, Bill Kristol, McCain....Scary stuff
They will do anything to win and I am afraid we are headed for WWIII

http://pittsburgh.indymedia.org/news/2006/07/24299.php

libertarian4321
10-04-2008, 01:11 AM
Hey...I'm STILL for LIBERTY. I agree with a lot of what ya'll say...but I told you I'm pragmatic..and I believe Palin is the best hope to get someone who is liberty minded in the whitehouse. She is the lesser of 4 evils so to speak. That's my story and I'm stickin to it. I WISH I was gettin paid...could sure use the dough in these hard economic times. I'm not into protest voting...it makes no impact especially since the movement is splintered. None of those 3rd party candidates will make any impact whatsoever. The contest is between McCain and Obama...might as well accept it. If YOU want to protest vote, I respect that. I would ask you to offer me the same respect if I don't choose it. TONES

If you support McWar and Palin, you are a neocon, and you sure as heck aren't standing for liberty (how can you "stand for liberty" by voting against liberty?).

A vote for McCain/Palin is a vote for pointless war, excessive government spending, the Patriot act, torture, ending habeas corpus, government surveillance on American citizens, the "bail out," and a lot more.

Some people are sheep and need government to run their lives- you appear to be one of them.

Hell, if you want the government to run your life, at least have the balls to man up and say so rather than pretending to support freedom!