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Dave
09-30-2008, 09:17 PM
Here comes the lipstick on the pig! It looks like we still have our work cut out for us. Lets get back on the horn with our senators!



http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/financial_meltdown

By CHARLES BABINGTON and ANDREW TAYLOR, Associated Press Writers 27 minutes ago


WASHINGTON - In a bold bid to revive President Bush's multibillion-dollar financial rescue plan, Senate leaders scheduled a vote for Wednesday night on a version of the bill that adds substantial tax cuts meant to appeal to Republicans when it reaches the House.

The goal is to net at least 12 more House votes than the rescue proposal received Monday, when lawmakers rocked the political and financial worlds by rejecting it.

The gambit is certain to anger some conservative House Democrats, who object to tax cuts that are not offset with spending cuts. But Senate strategists assume it will gain more House votes than it will lose.

If so, Congress would be poised to pass landmark legislation giving the government billions of dollars to buy deeply discounted mortgage-backed securities that are choking off credit and roiling the markets.

The strategy is risky because some House members might see it as a high-handed move by senators. Senate passage of a bailout measure has seemed assured all along. The showdown is in the House, but now the Senate is trying to force the House's hand.

Sen. Charles Schumer, D-N.Y., called it "a brilliant move" that will "help pick up votes on both sides of the aisle."

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi's reaction was much cooler. "The Senate has made a decision about how to proceed and what can pass that body," the California Democrat said. "The Senate will vote tomorrow night, and the Congress will work its will."

The new approach, announced Tuesday night by Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., and Minority Leader Mitch McConnell, R-Ky., would tack large and contentious tax measures to the bailout bill. Senate leaders figure the House will have to approve it because the tax cuts are too appealing to Republicans and the financial rescue plan will still seem essential to most Democrats.
The Senate approach uses big, game-changing amendments. House leaders earlier were considering the smallest possible tweaks to the bill in hopes of picking up 12 more votes.

The Senate bill would raise federal deposit insurance limits to $250,000 from $100,000, as called for presidential nominees Barack Obama and John McCain only hours earlier.

House Minority Leader John Boehner, R-Ohio, praised the move, but many Democrats had signaled approval as well.

McCain, Obama and Sen. Joe Biden of Delaware, the Democratic vice presidential nominee, signaled plans to return to Washington for the Wednesday night vote. If Obama and Biden vote for the measure, it would make it more difficult for Pelosi and other Democrats to reject or change the Senate measure.

The Senate measure will graft the bailout language to a tax bill it approved last week, on a 93-2 vote. It includes: a provision to prevent more than 20 million middle-class taxpayers from feeling the bite of the alternative minimum tax, $8 billion in tax relief for those hit by natural disasters in the Midwest, Texas and Louisiana and some $78 billion in renewable energy incentives and extensions of expiring tax breaks.

In a compromise worked out with Republicans, the bill does not pay for the AMT and disaster provisions but does have revenue offsets for part of the energy and extension measures.

That wasn't enough earlier this year for the House, which insisted that there be complete offsets for the energy and extension part of the package.
The Senate version also may include a measure to require health plans for 51 or more employees to give equal treatment to mental health or addiction if they cover such illnesses. The House and Senate have passed similar mental health parity measures, but none has gone to Bush for his signature.
The surprise move capped a day in which supporters of the imperiled economic rescue fought to bring it back to life, courting reluctant lawmakers with a variety of other sweeteners including the plan to reassure Americans their bank deposits are safe.

Wall Street, at least, regained hope. The Dow Jones industrials rose 485 points, one day after a record 778-point plunge following the House vote.
Amid Tuesday's negotiations, Federal Deposit Insurance Corp. chairman Sheila Bair asked Congress for temporary authority to raise the limit on deposits by an unspecified amount. That could help ease a crisis of confidence in the banking system, Bair said.

She said the overwhelming majority of banks remain sound but an increase in the cap would help ease a crisis of confidence in the banking system as well as encourage banks to begin more lending.

Monday's House vote was a stinging setback to leaders of both parties and to Bush. The administration's proposal, still the heart of the legislation under consideration, would allow the government to buy bad mortgages and other deficient assets held by troubled financial institutions. If successful, advocates of the plan believe, that would help lift a major weight off the already sputtering national economy.

Bush renewed his efforts to save the bailout plan Tuesday, speaking with McCain and Obama and making another statement from the White House. "Congress must act," he declared.

Though stock prices rose, more attention was on credit markets. A key rate that banks charge each other shot higher, further evidence of a tightening of credit availability.

The rescue package was Topic A on the presidential campaign trail.
"The first thing I would do is say, 'Let's not call it a bailout. Let's call it a rescue,'" McCain told CNN. He said, "Americans are frightened right now" and political leaders must give them an immediate solution and a longer-term approach to the problem.

Obama issued a statement saying that significantly increasing federal deposit insurance would help small businesses and make the U.S. banking system more secure as well as restore public confidence.

___ Associated Press writers Tom Raum, Ben Feller, Alan Fram and Jim Kuhnhenn contributed to this report.

billjarrett
09-30-2008, 09:18 PM
Anyone who votes for spending $700 billion and cutting taxes in the same bill needs to be sent back to remedial math class.

ihsv
09-30-2008, 09:20 PM
Mitch McConnell is a FREAKING PARASITE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I utterly despise him

Texan4Life
09-30-2008, 09:26 PM
Anyone who votes for spending $700 billion and cutting taxes in the same bill needs to be sent back to remedial math class.

Thats a big ass +1!!

BeFranklin
09-30-2008, 09:29 PM
The Senate measure will graft the bailout language to a tax bill it approved last week, on a 93-2 vote. It includes: a provision to prevent more than 20 million middle-class taxpayers from feeling the bite of the alternative minimum tax, $8 billion in tax relief for those hit by natural disasters in the Midwest, Texas and Louisiana and some $78 billion in renewable energy incentives and extensions of expiring tax breaks.

In a compromise worked out with Republicans, the bill does not pay for the AMT and disaster provisions but does have revenue offsets for part of the energy and extension measures.

That wasn't enough earlier this year for the House, which insisted that there be complete offsets for the energy and extension part of the package.


I read earlier that the house rejected this bill Monday. Which means they never passed it so it didn't originate in the House and is unconstitutional.

BeFranklin
09-30-2008, 09:32 PM
http://money.cnn.com/2008/09/30/news/economy/bailout_tuesday/index.htm?cnn=yes

NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) -- The Senate plans to vote on the $700 billion bank rescue plan Wednesday evening - two days after the House failed to pass it.

The bill adds new provisions - including raising the FDIC insurance cap to $250,000 from $100,000 - and will be attached to an existing revenue bill that the House also rejected Monday, according to several Democratic leadership aides.

If the house didn't pass it, the revenue bill didn't originate in the house. This is unconstitutional.

Scotso
10-01-2008, 12:33 AM
anyone who votes for spending $700 billion and cutting taxes in the same bill needs to be sent back to remedial math class.

ita.

RonPaulR3VOLUTION
10-01-2008, 12:35 AM
Soooo, is the whole point of adding tax cuts just to make people despise them forever? Seems like that's all it would accomplish.

Ten years from now, "Tax cuts??? Don't you remember what happened last time our government gave us lots of tax cuts???" :mad:

jkm1864
10-01-2008, 03:04 AM
I like the fabled Bush's tax cuts I sure don't see them. As a matter of fact I'm still paying an arm and a leg for every time I go offshore months on end. You know You learn to hate the entitlement crowd when You pay 3,500 a month in taxes especially when You give up beer, sex, kids, dogs, choosing your food, sleeping in your own bed, being around the people you like, doing the things you want to do, etc... etc...

So all I can say is keep taxing fuckers and while You are at it cut entitlements and tax the rich more. Hell make everyone pay taxes thats fine by me and get rid of all deductions and earned income credit. Lets make it fair all the way around ......... I want other people to feel the pain I feel when I look at my check......

Oh tax college kids too since they think they have all the answers it might get the to think of the solution since they are so smart and us elders are so stupid.

kombayn
10-01-2008, 03:27 AM
I like the fabled Bush's tax cuts I sure don't see them. As a matter of fact I'm still paying an arm and a leg for every time I go offshore months on end. You know You learn to hate the entitlement crowd when You pay 3,500 a month in taxes especially when You give up beer, sex, kids, dogs, choosing your food, sleeping in your own bed, being around the people you like, doing the things you want to do, etc... etc...

So all I can say is keep taxing fuckers and while You are at it cut entitlements and tax the rich more. Hell make everyone pay taxes thats fine by me and get rid of all deductions and earned income credit. Lets make it fair all the way around ......... I want other people to feel the pain I feel when I look at my check......

Oh tax college kids too since they think they have all the answers it might get the to think of the solution since they are so smart and us elders are so stupid.

HAHA! Quote for truth.

If the Senate passes this, we're doomed. It'll be a decade or so down the line and it'll hit us hard.

CUnknown
10-01-2008, 06:45 AM
Anyone who votes for spending $700 billion and cutting taxes in the same bill needs to be sent back to remedial math class.

Yeah, it boggles the mind. I hear they put the tax cuts in to appeal to conservatives. Fiscal conservatives?? I'm trying to decide what they mean by that term, because it obviously doesn't mean what I think it means anymore.

"You don't like this completely irresponsible bill? Well, okay, we'll make it even more irresponsible, do you like it now?" :confused: