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itshappening
09-30-2008, 05:27 PM
The Senate will vote tomorrow night on the bailout bill, contact your Senators and voice opposition!

http://www.senate.gov/general/contact_information/senators_cfm.cfm
http://www.senate.gov/general/contact_information/senators_cfm.cfm
http://www.senate.gov/general/contact_information/senators_cfm.cfm

SPREAD IT FAR AND WIDE !!

ShowMeLiberty
09-30-2008, 05:28 PM
I'll do it, but I have little hope for Missouri's Senators. Bond was in on the secret meetings to write the damn thing and McCaskill is a Pelosi wannabe.

jabrownie
09-30-2008, 05:30 PM
Congressional members Defazio (D-OR) and Kaptur (D-OH) have just put a new bailout plan on, it looks and sounds great, involves little to no taxpayer money, and looks like just like something we'd do....at least the things we've discussed here. They've requested that everybody call the Senate tonight and tomarrow. [Senate is voting on the Bailout tomarrow] CNN Lou Dobbs is endorsing the alternative proposal and is putting the Senate's phone number up for everyone to call.

Check it out. Hope someone tubed it, we've got work to do.

Dorfsmith
09-30-2008, 05:31 PM
I'm on it.

cheapseats
09-30-2008, 05:33 PM
Thank you for your letter expressing concern about Congress' consideration of a plan to meet our Nation's credit crisis with financial help from the Federal Government. This is a difficult situation for which there are no perfect solutions, and I would like to share my thoughts and concerns about this issue with you.



On September 19, 2008, Secretary of the Treasury Henry M. Paulson, Jr. announced a legislative proposal to use $700 billion to purchase illiquid mortgage-related assets from ailing financial institutions. Secretary Paulson's three-page proposal was a non-starter, and without critical changes it has no chance of approval from Congress.



This proposal would have given a blank check to an economic czar who would have been empowered to spend it without administrative oversight, legal requirements, or legislative review. Decisions made by the Treasury Secretary would be non-reviewable by any court, agency, or Congress. The proposal also lacked a requirement for regular reports to Congress on the status of the program. This was simply untenable.



Since this announcement, my offices have received thousands of comments from Californians like you concerned about how this action will affect them. Yet, I believe prudent action must be taken. The bill should include the following principles: a phase-in of funding; oversight, accountability and transparency; a mechanism allowing the Secretary of the Treasury to modify mortgages to prevent additional foreclosures; and a precise cap on executive compensation.



The current credit crisis affects all Americans. If action is not taken to stem the crisis, Americans risk losing their homes, jobs, personal savings, life insurance and more. Banks will cease to lend to businesses and homeowners, and credit will be increasingly difficult to come by for average Americans. I strongly believe that the consequences of failing to act now would be greater than not acting at all.



Attached please find a statement I recently made on the floor of the Senate expressing my feelings on this issue. Please know that I will keep your thoughts in mind as this situation unfolds.



Once again, thank you for writing. If you have any additional questions or concerns, please do not hesitate to contact my Washington, D.C. office at (202) 224-3841. Best regards.







U.S. Senator Dianne Feinstein

Floor Statement on the Economic

Rescue Proposal

September 26, 2008



"Mr. President, to date I have received from Californians more than 50,000 calls and letters, the great bulk of them in opposition to any form of meeting this crisis with financial help from the Federal Government. I wanted to come to the floor to very simply state how I see this and some of the principles that I hope will be forthcoming in this draft. Before I do so, I wish to pay particular commendation to Senator Dodd, Senator Schumer, Senator Bennett, and others who have been working so hard on this issue. I have tried to keep in touch -- I am not a negotiator; I am not on the committee -- but California is the biggest State, the largest economic engine, and people are really concerned.



We face the most significant economic crisis in 75 years right now. Swift and comprehensive action is crucial to the overall health of our economy. None of us wants to be in this position, and there are no good options here. Nobody likes the idea of spending massive sums of Government money to rescue major corporations from their bad financial decisions. But no one also should be fooled into thinking this problem only belongs to the banks and that it is a good idea to let them fail. The pain felt by Wall Street one day is felt there, and then 2,3,4 weeks down the pike, it is felt on Main Street.



The turbulence in our financial sector has already resulted in thousands of layoffs in the banking and finance sectors, and that number will skyrocket if there is a full collapse. The shock waves of failure will extend far beyond the banking and finance sectors. A shrinking pool of credit would affect the home loans, credit card limits, auto loans, and insurance policies of average Americans. I am receiving calls from people who tell me they want to buy a house, but they can't get the credit or the mortgage to do so. Why? Because that market of credit is drying up more rapidly one day after the other. It would have a major impact on State and local governments which would lose tens of millions of dollars, if not hundreds of millions of dollars.



Hurricane Ike shut down refineries on the gulf coast 2 weeks ago, and now, today, people are waiting hours in lines for gasoline in the South. Similarly, the collapse of the financial sector would have severe consequences for Americans all across the economic spectrum: for the person who owns the grocery store, the laundry, the bank, the insurance company. Then, if the worst happens, layoffs. And even more than that, somebody shows up for work and finds their business has closed because the owner of that business can't get credit to buy the goods he hopes to sell that week or that month. Wages and employment rates have already fallen even as the cost of basic necessities has skyrocketed. Our Nation is facing the highest unemployment rate in 5 years, at 6.1 percent. Over 605,000 jobs have been lost nationwide this year. My own State of California, a state of 38 million people, has the third highest unemployment rate in the Nation at 7.7 percent. That is 1.4 million people out of work today. One and a half million people -- that is bigger than some States. We have 1.5 million people out of work, and one-half million have had their unemployment insurance expire and have nothing today.



Congress is faced with a situation where we have to act and we have to do two things. We have to provide some reform in the system of regulation and oversight that is supposed to protect our economy. We also have to find a permanent and effective solution to keep liquidity and credit functioning so that markets can recover and make profit. The situation, I believe, is grave, and timely, prudent action is needed.



Just last night, the sixth largest bank in America -- Washington Mutual-- was seized by government regulators and most of its assets will be sold to JPMorgan Chase. This follows on the heels of bankruptcies and takeovers of Bear Stearns, Lehman Brothers, AIG, Fannie Mae, and Freddie Mac. If nothing is done, the crisis will continue to spread and one by one the dominos will fall.



Now, this isn't just about Wall Street. Because we are this credit society, the financial troubles facing major economic institutions will ricochet throughout this Nation and affect everyone. So I believe the need for action is clear. But that doesn't mean Congress should simply be a rubberstamp for an unprecedented and unbridled program.



My constituents by the thousands have made their views clear. I believe they are responding to the original 3-page proposal by the Secretary of the Treasury. It is clear by now that that 3-page proposal is a nonstarter. It is dead on arrival and that is good. Secretary Paulson's proposal asked Congress to write a $700 billion check to an economic czar who would have been empowered to spend it without any administrative oversight, legal requirements, or legislative review. Decisions made by the Treasury Secretary would be nonreviewable by any court or agency, and the fate of our entire economy would be committed to the sole discretion of one man alone -- the man we know today, and the man whom we don't know after January.



Additionally, the lack of governance or oversight in this plan was matched by the lack of a requirement for regular reports to Congress. This proposal stipulated that the economic czar, newly created, would report to Congress after the first three months with reports once every 6 months after that. This was untenable. Six months is an eternity when you are spending billions a week. The Treasury Secretary asked Congress to approve this massive program without delay or interference. It is hard to think of any other time in our history when Congress has been asked for so much money and so much power to be concentrated in the hands of one person. It is a nonstarter.



Yesterday, shortly before we met for the Democratic Policy Committee lunch, we were told there had been a bipartisan agreement on principles of a possible solution, and many of us rejoiced. We know that our Members, both Republican and Democrat, have been working hard to try to produce something that was positive. Then, all of a sudden, it changed. One Presidential candidate parachuted into town which proved to be enormously destructive to the process. Now, negotiations are back on the table, and as I say, we have just received a draft bill of certain principles.



I would like to outline quickly those principles that I think are important. First is a phase-in. No one wants to put $700 billion immediately at the discretion of one person or even a group of a very few people, no matter how bright, how skilled, how informed they might be on banking or finance principles. The funding should come in phases and Congress should have the opportunity to make its voice heard if the program isn't working or needs to be adjusted.



The second point: Oversight, accountability, and governance. The Treasury Secretary should not and must not have unbridled authority to determine winners and losers, essentially choosing which struggling financial institution will survive and which will not. The original plan placed all authority in the hands of this one man, and this is why I say it was DOA -- dead on arrival -- at the Congress. We must assure that controls are in place to watch taxpayer dollars and make sure they are well-spent fixing the problem, and that oversight by a governance committee and the Banking Committees are strong, and that they give the best opportunity for the American people to recover their investment and, yes, even eventually make a profit from that investment. That can be done and it has been done in the past.



I believe that frequent reporting to Congress is critical. Transparency, sunlight on this, is critical. So Congress should receive regular, timely briefings, perhaps weekly for the first quarter, on a program of this magnitude. A proposal should mandate frequent reporting and the public should be ensured of transparency to the maximum extent possible.



I also believe that within the first quarter -- and this, to me, is key -- a comprehensive legislative proposal for reform must be put forward. We must reform those speculative practices that impact price function of markets. We must deal with the unregulated practices that have furthered this crisis. Look. I represent a State that was cost $40 billion in the Enron episode during 1999 and 2000 by speculation, by manipulation, and by fraud. There still is inadequate regulation of energy commodities sold on the futures market. And that is just one point in all of this. We must prevent these things from happening. The only way to do it is to improve the transparency of all markets. No hidden deals. Swaps, in my view, should be ended. The London loophole should be ended.



We have to outline rules for increasing regulation of the mortgage-backed securities market, along with comprehensive oversight of the mortgage industry and lending practices for both prime and subprime lending.



Senator Martinez of Florida and I had a part in the earlier housing bill, which included our legislation entitled the SAFE Mortgage Licensing Act. We found that the market was rife with fraud. We found there was one company that hired hairdressers and others who sold mortgages in their spare time. We found there were unscrupulous mortgage brokers out there unlicensed, preying upon people, walking off with tens of thousands of dollars of cash. This has to end. It has to be controlled. It has to be regulated.



So I believe the crisis of 2008 stems from the failure of Federal regulators to rein in this Wild West mentality of those Wall Street executives who led those firms and who thought that nothing was out of bounds. Every quick scheme was worth the time, and worth a try. Congress cannot ignore this as the root cause of the crisis. It was inherent in the subprime marketplace, and it has now spread to the prime mortgage marketplace.



It is also critical that accurate assessments of the value of these illiquid mortgage-related assets be performed to limit the taxpayers' exposure to risk and structure purchases to ensure the greatest possible return on investment.



Taxpayer money must be shielded at all costs from risk to the greatest extent possible.



Reciprocity is not a bad concept if you can carry it out. The Government must not simply act as a repository for risky investments that have gone bad. An economic rescue effort that serves taxpayers well must allow them to benefit from the potential profits of rescued entities. So a model -- and it may well be in these new principles -- must be developed to ensure the taxpayers are not only the first paid back but have an opportunity to share in future profits through warrants and/or stocks.



As to executive compensation limits, simply put, Californians are frosted by the absence of controls on executive compensation. Virtually all of the 50,000 phone calls and letters mentioned this one way or another. There must be limits. I am told that the reason the Treasury Secretary does not want limits on executive compensation is because he believes that an executive then will not bring his company in to partake in any program that is set up. Here is my response to that: We can put that executive on his boat, take that boat out in the ocean, and set it on fire. If that is how he feels, that is what should happen, or his company doesn't come in. But to say that the Federal Government is going to be responsible for tens of millions of dollars of executive salaries, golden parachutes, whether they are a matter of contract right or not, is not acceptable to the average person whose taxpayer dollars are used in this bailout. That is just fact.



The one proposal that was made by one of the Presidential candidates that I agree with is that there should be a limit of $400,000 on executive compensation. If they don't like it, too bad, don't participate in the program. As I have talked with people on Wall Street and otherwise, they don't believe it is true that an executive, if his pay is tailored down, will not bring a company in that needs help. I hope that is true. I believe there should be precise limits set on executive pay.



Finally, as to tangible benefits for Main Street in the form of mortgage relief, there have been more than 500,000 foreclosures in my home State of California so far this year. In the second quarter of this year, foreclosures were up 300 percent over the second quarter of 2007. More than 800,000 are predicted before this year is over.



I have a city in California where one out of every 25 homes is in foreclosure. This is new housing in subdivisions. As you look at it, you will see garage doors kicked in. You will see houses vandalized. You will see the grass and grounds dry. You will see the street sprinkled with "For Sale" signs, and nobody buys because the market has become so depressed.



This crisis has roots in the subprime housing boom that went bust, and it would be unconscionable for us to simply bailout Wall Street while leaving these homeowners to fend for themselves.



Everything I have been told, and I have talked to people in this business, here is what they tell me: It is more cost-effective to renegotiate a subprime loan and keep a family in a house than it is to foreclose and run the risks of what happens to that home on a depressed market as credit is drying up, as vandals loot it, as landscaping dries up, as more homes in the area become foreclosed upon; the way to go is to renegotiate these mortgages with the exiting homeowner wherever possible. I feel very strongly that should be the case.



I don't know what I or any of us will do if we authorize this kind of expenditure and we find down the pike in my State that the rest of the year, 800,000 to 1 million Americans are being thrown out of their homes despite this form of rescue effort. Think of what it means, Mr. President, in your State. You vote for this, any other Senator votes for it, and these foreclosures continue to take place and individual families continue to be thrown out of their homes. It is not a tenable situation.



I hope, if anybody is listening at all, that in the negotiating team, they will make a real effort to mandate in some way that subprime foreclosures be renegotiated, that families, wherever possible, who have an ability to pay, have that ability to pay met with a renegotiated loan. I have done this now in cases with families who were taken advantage of. We called the CEO of the bank, and the bank has seen that the loan was renegotiated, in one case in Los Angeles down to 2 percent. That is better than foreclosing and running the uncertainty of the sale of the asset in a very depressed housing market.



These are my thoughts. Again, it is easy to come to the floor and give your thoughts. It is much more difficult to sit at that negotiating table.



I once again thank those Senators on both sides of the aisle who really understand the nature of this crisis -- that it isn't only Wall Street, that it does involve Main Street, and if there is a serious crash, it will hurt tens of millions of Americans, many of them in irreparable ways. So we must do what we must do, and we must do it prudently and carefully.


I yield the floor. I suggest the absence of quorum."


Sincerely yours,
Dianne Feinstein
United States Senator


Blah, blah, blah.

You're wrong.

The American economy will not discover a fresh and sustainable economy until it redistributes its resources. People are not optimally employed. We have too many loan officers and mortgage bankers, for starters. And too few companies.

You can't help yourself. It is human nature to guard one's own best interests above those of others. Survival of the fittest, eh what? You're married to Big Money. You have a twisted world view and, if you bear resemblance to YOUR comrades, a certain moral flexibility.

A truly incredible number of Americans have rejected this legislation, but you heed them not. You are as deaf people. It is a wonder that the People do not ride you out of town on rails, truly.

By the tens of thousands they write of their intent not to pay "their" taxes, and STILL you go with the plan proposed by the same people who got us here. What's the plan? Lock us all up?

Ben Bernanke and Henry Paulson are heralded for the Smarts. Their own portfolios are flourishing. Secretary Paulson's fortune is estimated to be in excess of SEVEN HUNDRED MILLION DOLLARS. It's not that they don't know how to do this. It's that how they were doing this caught up with them.

If they are not guilty of malfeasance, then they are too stupid to advise us now. You can't have it both ways.

Those sitting Officials who will later be exposed to have profited from this mess would do the country and themselves a service by stepping down now with their ill-gotten gains, so that we can start shoveling the shit. You would have us engage in avoidance, another Fix of our substance of choice, so that YOU can live out the balance of YOUR lives in the manner that YOU have worked to establish.

The Great Masses, the broadcloth and backbone of the American population, have already experienced a downward revision of the future prospects that THEY have struggled to establish. No matter WHAT you do now, certain Baby Boom contemporaries have seen YEARS added onto their retirement ages. How would YOU like that? Oh, that's right...you WOULD like that. Who wouldn't be satisfied with your courtly life? Y'all stick around through serious medical treatments and embarrassing legal actions as though the People would be lost without you. The Truth is, the People would fare MUCH better by enduring a rougher landing, if it would be accompanied by a cleansing of government ranks of all the dead wood and rotten apples.

I have never personally born witness to such an unwholesome blend of chicanery and cowardice. There are those among you who are disgraces to your office and our flag.

Bear in mind that I have issued request for formal Redress of Grievances, and that I await instruction on protocol.

itshappening
09-30-2008, 05:45 PM
Bump

We have less than 24 hours to organize

lucius
09-30-2008, 06:05 PM
roger

itshappening
09-30-2008, 06:18 PM
bump

cheapseats
09-30-2008, 06:51 PM
(9) TROUBLED ASSETS.—The term ‘‘troubled
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assets’’ means—
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(A) residential or commercial mortgages
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and any securities, obligations, or other instru-
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ments that are based on or related to such
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mortgages, that in each case was originated or
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issued on or before March 14, 2008, the pur-
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chase of which the Secretary determines pro-
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motes financial market stability; and
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(B) any other financial instrument that the
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Secretary, after consultation with the Chairman
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of the Board of Governors of the Federal Re-
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serve System, determines the purchase of which
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is necessary to promote financial market sta-
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bility, but only upon transmittal of such deter-
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mination, in writing, to the appropriate commit-
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tees of Congress. 20


1.) Focus on the wide range and seeming open-endedness, I think...anyone going for re-election will be sensitive to the Pandora's Box angle.

2.) In particular, extrapolate to ALL the financial "instruments" that might be argued by troubled executives or agile opportunists to be eligible. Is the dude who is painting green the dead grass in front of foreclosure properties entitled to a loan...so he can GROW? It will help the economy. He'll hire another grass painter.

3.) Drive and drive and drive home, unto ridiculing all of them, the LUNACY of granting such sweeping authority to a man who looks like Michael Chertoff and who is CLEARLY either a Nincompoop or a N'er-Do-Well. He will consult with BERNANKE before identifying "any" (and all) other "instruments" that are "sure" to benefit society once Uncle Hank of the deep pockets gives 'em a Head Start? Give. Me. A. Break.

itshappening
09-30-2008, 07:07 PM
bump

muzzled dogg
09-30-2008, 07:23 PM
kennedy = deathbed

kerry = why the long face?

itshappening
10-01-2008, 05:13 AM
bump

nodope0695
10-01-2008, 05:14 AM
Already conacted...both Senaters and Congresspeople.

nodope0695
10-01-2008, 05:15 AM
kennedy = deathbed

kerry = why the long face?

LMAO....why the long face....ROTFL....:D:D:D:D

undergroundrr
10-01-2008, 06:55 AM
My email to Cornyn and Hutchison -

Senator,

Please do not support any legislation to bail out financial markets. Please encourage your fellow senators to never support redistribution schemes such as this.

Please do not allow the Treasury Secretary to take control of our money away from the House and Senate! We do not need to live in a command economy. We do not need to follow the financial prescriptions of communism and national socialism.

The Republican Party of Texas Platform states - "We oppose all corporate welfare that supports continued inefficient businesses. We encourage our government to allow a free market economy to prevail both domestically and internationally." Support our Texas philosophy, not the socialistic talk of the un-Republican National GOP platform.

Let the markets work. The American people know that the ensuing market corrections may be painful, but not nearly as painful as the decades of suffering caused by legislative tinkering in our economy.

In my opinion, there is no government measure that can succeed, and every government measure will make matters worse.

Please vote no on the bill this evening.

TX State Republican Delegate
Party Contributor and Campaigner

werdd
10-01-2008, 07:01 AM
What is the number to the congress switchboard again?

tekkierich
10-01-2008, 07:03 AM
Cardin and Mikulski's numbers both jammed with busy signal.

itshappening
10-01-2008, 07:04 AM
1-800-828-0498

werdd
10-01-2008, 07:05 AM
1-800-828-0498
1-866-340-9281

all of the lines are tied up......

i cant get through to my senators.

SnappleLlama
10-01-2008, 07:07 AM
I contacted one of my Senators already...going to "attack" the second one, now!

werdd
10-01-2008, 07:10 AM
i got through to one, they will "pass my message on"

Sarge
10-01-2008, 07:13 AM
Being discussed on another thread.

A filibuster requires at least 40 Senators. I doubt we have that many. Even if we do, a filibuster is public. Everyone knows who started it. Can you even imagine the pressure?

A secret hold stops a bill DEAD IN ITS TRACKS, and it's secret. You don't know who did it. You can surmise all you like, but you don't know for sure. That provides cover, and until the hold is lifted, it's dead.

Can anyone get to Shelby DeMint or whoever to put on a secret hold?

s35wf
10-01-2008, 07:13 AM
mel martinez in FL will probably vote yes to this thing.

anyone in FL landblast mel martinez!

couldnt get thru to most others.

keep trying guys!

also called obama's office & got thru no luck on mccains #

LittleLightShining
10-01-2008, 07:14 AM
I just got off the phone with Bernie Sanders' office and he is definitely voting against it. Woohoo!!!!

Dorfsmith
10-01-2008, 07:15 AM
Going to start calling in a few minutes. Just sent out action alerts to my meetup, and my myspace and facebook pages. We have our work cut out for us today!

afmatt
10-01-2008, 07:18 AM
Being discussed on another thread.

A filibuster requires at least 40 Senators. I doubt we have that many. Even if we do, a filibuster is public. Everyone knows who started it. Can you even imagine the pressure?

A secret hold stops a bill DEAD IN ITS TRACKS, and it's secret. You don't know who did it. You can surmise all you like, but you don't know for sure. That provides cover, and until the hold is lifted, it's dead.

Can anyone get to Shelby DeMint or whoever to put on a secret hold?

The "secret hold" as it's being discussed today on the forums is not the "magic bullet" that it seems.


A "hold" describes a Senator's request to his party leader that a specific piece of legislation or a nomination not be considered on the Senate floor. A hold may be lodged as a bargaining chip so that the Senator is consulted as a measure proceeds, or it may be meant as an ultimate barrier to a bill.

Holds are not a part of the Senate's written rules or standing orders. They are an informal practice begun by the leadership of the past and honored -- to varying degrees -- by the leadership of the present. The status of holds as an informal practice means that Senate leaders have the discretion to honor holds for a short period of time, for an indefinite period, or not at all.

Sarge
10-01-2008, 07:29 AM
I agree it is not a magic bullet.

It does give us more time, to get more people on board, to let them hear we don't want this fraud they are trying to dump on us.

cheapseats
10-01-2008, 07:29 AM
We have our work cut out for us today!

It's true.

But I am obliged to make a two-hour drive to attend the memorial service of a young man who stepped in front of a train. He worked in the Mortgage Industry.

His sister who works for the police department got the call.

"Do you want the details?"

"Yes."

"He's in pieces."

So is his mother. So are his two teenagers. His wife is...a widow.

He'd been profoundly depressed for years. Obviously a person who kills himself has problems other than liquidity. But it was the eviction notice that sent him over the edge of the track.

When THEY talk about ripple effects, they think only of money and how THEY will be impacted. MILLIONS of Americans have known a steadily worsening quality of life for YEARS.

The parties are late to the party, as per usual.

Dorfsmith
10-01-2008, 07:33 AM
Just got through to Senator Jon Kyl's office. Still trying to get through to McCain.

cheapseats
10-01-2008, 07:34 AM
If they will pass the Great Bailout, the tax and inflation repercussions on Reglar Folk will be such that we are no longer able to hand out cash to the burgeoning homeless population that eats out of trash cans and harasses the citizenry.

Being a Christian nation and all, we are compelled to send our homeless via one-way bus tickets to Washington DC...where all the Assistance is.

I see placards that read FEED YOUR PEOPLE.

Dorfsmith
10-01-2008, 08:13 AM
Just got through to McCain's DC answering machine. Now I'm going to call the AZ lines.

steph3n
10-01-2008, 08:13 AM
Can't get through now for 1.5 hours all circuits busy and email down too.

Dorfsmith
10-01-2008, 08:15 AM
Can't get through now for 1.5 hours all circuits busy and email down too.

I had to call about 50 times before I got through to McCain.

lucius
10-01-2008, 08:23 AM
Use the fax today.