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axiomata
09-29-2008, 08:31 PM
The bill went down, thanks to your help, but if we fail to direct the discussion afterwards, the fact that the bill failed won't matter. We need to win the spin war. The Socialists, Neoncons, and their MSM are winning this second and more important battle. If we fail, the consequence is dire. The history books will read that the 2008 recession/depression was caused because the government failed to intervene.

I've been watching CNN today and the message the MSM is spreading is a failure of democratic leadership to get enough votes for a necessary bill, and house Republicans who simply don't care about America. Literally every single one of their mainstream anchors have shed any semblance of unbiased coverage and exposed the socialists that they are in blatantly showing their anger at this bill's failure. It is sickening.

Unfortunately, it is a lot easier to recognize the next battle than to win it. Please make suggestions for future courses of action, the first of which should be simply thanking congressmen and women who stood for principles even knowing that they would be demonized by pro-bill politicians and the MSM.

axiomata
09-29-2008, 10:10 PM
one reply

nodope0695
09-29-2008, 10:13 PM
What I find interesting, and a little annoying, is that the media is only reporting that the bill failed, and not why. They blame the people who voted against it, and ignore the fact that almost all americans are against it as well...shouldn't that tell them somehting?

mudhoney
09-29-2008, 10:17 PM
Me and my girlfriend are sending thank yous to our representative who voted nay. We are outlining several points that should be of priority like the Federal Reserve.

Original_Intent
09-29-2008, 10:20 PM
I think, when people blame the crash on the government doing nothing, respond with "Did you know that the Federal Reserve added 690 billion in liquidity to the market the day the 700 billion dollar bailout was voted down? Does it not bother you that even with all that added liquidity, the market fell 777 points? Does it not bother you that when they were not able to get the money thru legislation that they went ahead and inflated our money supply by almost the exact amount they were asking for in the bailout - and it did NOTHING to stop the collapse?

Then while they are spluttering say "Didn't think so. Go do your homework and talk to me when you have something intelligent to say." (or be a little nicer if it is your in-laws :))

Bruno
09-29-2008, 10:23 PM
I think, when people blame the crash on the government doing nothing, respond with "Did you know that the Federal Reserve added 690 billion in liquidity to the market the day the 700 billion dollar bailout was voted down? Does it not bother you that even with all that added liquidity, the market fell 777 points? Does it not bother you that when they were not able to get the money thru legislation that they went ahead and inflated our money supply by almost the exact amount they were asking for in the bailout - and it did NOTHING to stop the collapse?

Then while they are spluttering say "Didn't think so. Go do your homework and talk to me when you have something intelligent to say." (or be a little nicer if it is your in-laws :))

well said!

RonPaulR3VOLUTION
09-30-2008, 12:38 AM
Hah, I say you just tell people it was 700Billion. Round it up. If anyone corrects you, then they are just admitting that 690B was added. Saying it was the exact same amount, which it pretty much was, puts a lot more sting into it.

a. "BUT IT WAS 690 BILLION!!!"

b. "Which is pretty much the same thing."

a. "Yeah...... true."

Note: That is if this is what happened. I haven't looked into it yet.

tomveil
09-30-2008, 12:57 AM
Very true, they are gonna try again.

And again.

And again.

libertarian4321
09-30-2008, 01:56 AM
The "injection" by the Fed today is a currency swap with other central banks. Swapping dollars for yen and euros. The way the dollar is tanking, that might end up being a profitable move in the long run.

RonPaulR3VOLUTION
09-30-2008, 03:10 AM
Karl agrees with this thread.

http://market-ticker.denninger.net/archives/595-Bernanke-PROVED-Paulson-Plan-Bankrupt.html

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FGpS2qsh_5A



http://digg.com/business_finance/700_billion_They_pissed_630_billion_into_the_syste m_today