CSPAN Live - Bailout Commentary Thread

[mconder]

For everyone watching right now.

[Bruno]

Pelosi is a fear-mongering bitch

[mconder]

Great. Kucinich is talking about subsidizing the bad decisions of homeowners instead of Wal Street now.

[mconder]

Gregory Meeks says we need to rescue the drunk driver (Wal street) so there won't be a traffic jam and the drivers (citizens) can continue down the road. What a moron.

[mconder]

Here we go with the regulation thing again. We don't need a bailout, just lots of new regulation.

[TruthisTreason]

"We have to do something"

"401k's"


"fear"


"we have to do something"

[mconder]

"It's not perfect, but it's good enough."

[Dave]

They're all trying to distance themselves from this thing. Waxman just called this a Republican bill but said he's voting for it. Many Republicans are speaking out against it. We'll see who actually has the courage to vote against it.

The democrats don't need the repubs to pass this thing - they have the numbers - but they're scared. They just want the repubs on the hook like them.

Vote coming soon!

[mconder]

Kieth Ellison on talking about a friend of his that couldn't get a loan to float the payroll at his business. I guess we need to make loans to people with bad business practices now.

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Bachus is a sellout

[Original_Intent]

Spencer Bachus R- Alabama speaking in FAVOR.

Remember, Remember.

[mconder]

Spencer Bachus: "No one in Congress has the insight to know what will happen if they don't pass the bill. It could mean wiped out pensions, loss of jobs, etc. I won't take that risk." Biggest applause yet.

[Original_Intent]

Rosa DeLauro D- Conneticut speaking in FAVOR

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The democrats don't need the repubs to pass this thing - they have the numbers - but they're scared. They just want the repubs on the hook like them.

Exactly...its all about cover...They don't want the public seeing them going along with Bush while it was the Republicans that holded out.

[mconder]

Rosa DeLauro is in favor. Speaking about economic calamities that will ensue if they do not pass.

[Original_Intent]

Roy Blunt R- Missouri speaking in FAVOR

[mconder]

Roy Blunt trying to play the peacemaker roll, using the dialectic to form consensus.

[blocks]

Any chance that Ron Paul gets yielded to?

[JaylieWoW]

Bachus is a sellout

Yeah... I just saw his statement.

[webster]

I can't stand the techniques that are used by people for the bill. The- " act now to save america or do nothing" argument. Most people against the bill actually have better intentions than doing "nothing". They know that it's not wise to bailout unless the root cause for the problem is solved. They know that the majority of americans smell bullshit and are not willing to just dish out more money. These congressmen against the bill in my view are the brave ones who are standing their ground and are wanting to find the right answer. Not just rush to pass the bill. So it bothers me everytime when the ones voting for the bill act like this is the only way....and that people wanting to try something else somehow translates to doing nothing.

[Vote Waterman 2028]

fuck roy blunt and his fear speak, im ashamed of living in missouri today.....

[mconder]

OMG!!! Edward Markey with another "it's not perfect, but we have to do it." "Our very form of capitalism is under assault, vote yes to protect the citizens of our country."

Ya, and your the one carrying on the assault!

[blocks]

Fear...ahhh

"In politics, what begins in fear usually ends in folly." - Samuel Taylor Coleridge

[mconder]

Barney Frank: "If we didn't have discrimination, I wouldn't be here. How about something for the poor people."

In Favor

[Vote Waterman 2028]

Rep. Barney Frank now saying this is to help the poor people, and "To be honest" he thinks about the poor people when voting for this. What a bastard, he who made so much money off of fannie and freddie.

[mconder]

Big applause for those discriminated against and the poor people.

[Rangeley]

This is a long 2 minute speech.

[erin moore]

Please don't out this bill to end foreclosures just because you don't like anything else about it.

Oh God Barney......

[mconder]

Jon Boehner: "Now one wants to vote for this, no one wants to be anywhere around this bill, but we have a bill that may work."

[mconder]

Jon Boehner: "Lets think about what happens if we don't pass it?"

[TruthisTreason]

Jon Boehner: IS A FUCKING ASSHOLE!

[mconder]

Same old, "The risk in not acting is much worse than the risk of acting" He said, "I didn't come here to vote for bills like this, but this is the one that seperates the men from the women." That seemed a little sexist.

[texasbelle]

Jon Boehner: "Now one wants to vote for this, no one wants to be anywhere around this bill, but we have a bill that may work."

Just heard that too:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

[Rangeley]

Same old, "The risk in not acting is much worse than the risk of acting" He said, "I didn't come here to vote for bills like this, but this is the one that seperates the men from the women." That seemed a little sexist.
Lol, I think he said men from the boys.

[erin moore]

I'm not scared Mr. Boehner. My eyes are open.

"the people are scared. nobody wants to vote for this. I don't want to be around it.... it's bi-partisan..... So we have an imperfect product. a product at may work... if we can get the votes for it. which is in serious doubt. everybody think about where we are. THINK ABOUT WHAT HAPPENS TO YOUR FRIENDS AND NEIGHBORS IF WE DON"T PASS THIS BILL.

job loss. homeless retired people. brink of economic disaster. the risk in not acting much higher than the risk in acting. this bill is awful but we must do OUR JOB. "

(??????? uphold the constitution much JOHN??????)

[mconder]

Steny Hoyer:

"We swore an oath to protect the constitution and the people"

"Why should tax payers loan out their own money to rescue the greedy?" Answer: "Because we are all in this together."

[erin moore]

Since most days are not like today I guess we just throw the constitution away.

thats what americans want us to do???????????????????? and exactly what was the ratio of yes to no calls you got there?

please. liar.

[Primbs]

I can't stand the techniques that are used by people for the bill. The- " act now to save america or do nothing" argument. Most people against the bill actually have better intentions than doing "nothing". They know that it's not wise to bailout unless the root cause for the problem is solved. They know that the majority of americans smell bullshit and are not willing to just dish out more money. These congressmen against the bill in my view are the brave ones who are standing their ground and are wanting to find the right answer. Not just rush to pass the bill. So it bothers me everytime when the ones voting for the bill act like this is the only way....and that people wanting to try something else somehow translates to doing nothing.

How can credit be drying up when the FED is extending credit to everyone?

Every vote the last eight years involved saving america. Every new spending bill led to this problem. Every time they voted not to address this issue and issues involving Fannie Mae was a "vote to save America or do nothing."

[mconder]

Steny Hoyer: "We made clear that this congress does not write blank checks."

Talk about out of touch.

[webster]

I'm sure you're right Primbs. While I've always been interested in politics, I never followed it as close as I am trying to do now. I just started watching Cspan last week and today was my first time seeing them "debate" a bill. And the techniques just make me shake my head.

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Hoyer made me puke in my mouth.

[mconder]

More, "nobody's sure what is going to happen when we pass the bill, but one thing is certain....inaction will destroy us."

[blocks]

They tried to pass it with no recorded vote...

[afmatt]

here comes the vote.

[mconder]

OMG!!!!!!!!!!! They are now voting on the biggest piece of legislation in a generation!!!

[angelatc]

I am not religious, but I almost praying.

This is wrong!

Oh God, we're losing 103 to 70.

[mconder]

It's going to pass...97 yea 66 nay so far.

[Sandra]

I can't believe this was put to an audible vote first.

[ShowMeLiberty]

252 not voting? Why so many??

NM - I see it's updating.

[MRoCkEd]

looks bad

[angelatc]

252 not voting? Why so many??


They're quickly selling their integrity to the highest bidders.

[erin moore]

:( My heart is beating so fast.

[paulitics]

I really feel like this one vote could mean the end of our republic, the final nail in the coffin.

[Primbs]

It takes time to vote. There is probably some vote trading going on right now.

Where is the diebold machine when you need one?

[Crowish]

Fcking cowards. 239 still listed as not voting.

[erin moore]

I have this recorded on my DVR to show my son the day his countrymen sold his country. I am so sad for him.

[Rangeley]

The gap is closing. It was over 30, now its merely 17.

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119 to 109!

[afmatt]

119 to 109!

hope! Sweet hope!

[ShowMeLiberty]

Is it a simple majority or do they need 2/3 to pass? Anybody know?

[blocks]

128-123....maybe this wont pass!

[blocks]

Is it a simple majority or do they need 2/3 to pass? Anybody know?

Simple majority.

[Rangeley]

137-139!!!!

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136-139 in favor of nays...haha

[afmatt]

136-139!!!

[mconder]

Nays are winning now!!!

[erin moore]

You just know there are a bunch of them that won't vote unless the have to. COWARDS... wow. its so close.

[rajibo]

This is intense.:eek:

[mconder]

It's a dead heat!!!

[MRoCkEd]

shit.. we're losing

[mconder]

Don't they need 2/3?

[ShowMeLiberty]

4 minutes left!

[Brassmouth]

No. Not anymore.

[blocks]

161-161...wow

[MRoCkEd]

this is close

[erin moore]

yay...... boooooooo... yay....... boo... TIE... LEAD...

[mconder]

This is crazy....dead heat all the way!

[Primbs]

Don't get too optimistic that this will fail.

They probably wouldn't have put it up for vote unless they thought they had enough vote to pass it.

When you got the White House and the house leadership working together, that is a power force to be against.

[29ytsejam]

If it's close at the end I have no doubt they'll hold the vote open as long as necessary to get the votes they need, or some other funny business.

[ShowMeLiberty]

2 minute warning!

[erin moore]

WOW!!!!! come on......................

[Sarge]

I hope the no Dem's and Rep's are holding on to vote at the end. Otherwise more Dem's left to vote.

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Yes!

[erin moore]

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Sweet!!!!!!! Omg.

[Rangeley]

Yes!

[mconder]

Loosers!!!!

[29ytsejam]

Clock at triple zeros, 185-197. Lets see how many more votes they trickle in

[paulitics]

did we win?

[erin moore]

Ok. so what happens now?

[timebomb101]

look at the market

[daviddee]

...

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Dow is crashing...down 558 and counting.

[29ytsejam]

The Dow has plunged almsot 200 points as the vote has gone on...

[webster]

I thought the time ran out. Why are they still getting votes in? Sorry for my ignorance

[Sarge]

We need 10 more no votes.

[29ytsejam]

Only way the vote passes now is if somebody changes their vote...

[slacker921]

down 630..

[Crowish]

Dow 10,556.68 -586.45 (-5.26%)
Nasdaq 2,048.03 -135.31 (-6.20%)
S&P 500 1,135.65 -77.36 (-6.38%)

[29ytsejam]

If the party in charge wants a bill passed, they can hold the vote open as long as they damn well want to.

[Brassmouth]

CNN is telling us how horrible it is that the Nays have the majority. Fuck them

[29ytsejam]

You can hear some Naysayers in the background yelling for the speaker to close the vote.

[sratiug]

If the party in charge wants a bill passed, they can hold the vote open as long as they damn well want to.

And that is a pathetic subversion of the democratic process in the house. It lets them offer bribes to change individual votes at this point instead of having to bribe everybody from the beginning.

[smithtg]

CNN is telling us how horrible it is that the Nays have the majority. Fuck them


cnn can go blow

[texasbelle]

what is fox news saying?? not like i care but I kinda am curious..

[afmatt]

If the party in charge wants a bill passed, they can hold the vote open as long as they damn well want to.

oh shit.

[pacelli]

207 yea, 226 nay, 1 republican no-vote holding up the close. Looks like now is the time when people start getting solicited with payoffs to change their vote. Everybody is all grins and smiles on C-SPAN.

[29ytsejam]

I have no idea what the Dow is doing right now, no financial websites seem to be working.

[Sarge]

Take that Fed and Wall Street Crooks!

[pacelli]

Dow down ~500 points, 4.09%; S&P is down 5.60%; NASDAQ down 5.9%

[Sarge]

Someone you tube when they show who voted yes please.

[erin moore]

my computer had crashed twice in the last 10 minutes..........

is there any way to find out which republican isn't voting now?

[afmatt]

my computer had crashed twice in the last 10 minutes..........

is there any way to find out which republican isn't voting now?

If anyone knows PLEASE post - we'll bury his ass

[29ytsejam]

LOL, now that the vote is going to fail some aye's are going to switch to nay's so they can take credit for it.

[Sarge]

My guess is it is McCain.

[misericordia]

http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2008/index.asp

what does this mean???

[georgiaboy]

My guess is it is McCain.

er, this is the House, not the Senate.

[Sarge]

Right you are on McCain. Having a senior moment.

[texasbelle]

Oh gosh another board I am on.. the people are freakin out that the bill didnt pass. They dont have a clue about economics only what CNN is telling them.

[erin moore]

if anyone knows please post - we'll bury his ass

jerry weller- r illinois

did not vote

[fatjohn]

yup heard it too, weller: illinois.

[DAFTEK]

CNN is fucking trying to sell this thing so much to the people with loads of koolaid, am i the only one to see this? Are people that stupid to believe the garbage coming out of CNN????

I don't have Fox News or MSNBC so i can only view these communists.... :mad:

[2young2vote]

Where can i get a list of the names who voted for and against it? I want to see what my congressman voted for.

[BuddyRey]

Where can i get a list of the names who voted for and against it? I want to see what my congressman voted for.

Ditto!

[Bossobass]

Where can i get a list of the names who voted for and against it? I want to see what my congressman voted for.

Call his office and ask him.

I just did, anmd my Congresscritter voted against the Bill!!!!

The calls had a huge effect, you can bet money on that.

Bosso

[Soccrmastr]

Fox News commentary with Cavuto is great, all the others are dopes but man is Cavuto great! RP's been on his show so much lately it's awesome.

[29ytsejam]

Roll call: http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2008/roll674.xml

[Pimpin Turtle Dot Com]

Call his office and ask him.

I just did, anmd my Congresscritter voted against the Bill!!!!

The calls had a huge effect, you can bet money on that.

Bosso

Yeah they did.... I was watching CSPan and that is all everyone was saying... "I have never received more phone calls and letters from people against this bill..."

If you voted against this bill you are safe as a congressman, if you voted for it and it failed you are fucked... lol... it is a double fuckage... fucked that it didn't pass and fucked that you voted for it....