Chuck Norris believes in Ron Paul

[EndTheFed]

http://www.ohio.com/news/29873474.html

[DFF]

Quote:


norris' hour-long speech mostly focused on his background and the story of his success, though he did acknowledge that he was a supporter of former republican presidential contender mike huckabee, and he also believes in ron paul.

norris even mixed martial arts and politics, saying he once told someone if he had one wish, it would be to go to washington with paul, line up all of the members of congress and wait for paul to point out the corrupt politicians.

''we would walk down the aisle, he points to one and says 'he's crooked,' and i grab him and choke him unconscious,'' norris said. ''the ones that are honest stay and focus on getting us back on our feet.''

[Nate K]

he's better than Beck, i like him

[V4Vendetta]

lol!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

"LINE EM UP Chuck, I 'LL POINT EM OUT, YOU KNOCK EM OUT!!!!!!!!!"

[EndTheFed]

Very Funny.. hehe

Bump!

[sratiug]

It is sad that he thinks McCain will let Ron Paul in the White House. If McCain gets in and doesn't let Ron Paul near the White House maybe Chuck will ninjafy him.

[Lafayette]

What is chuck gona do when Paul points out McCain and Plain, and then his boy the Huckster ?

:D

[Conza88]

LOL... qual-it-ee.

[jkr]

Choke 'em out!

[EndTheFed]

What is chuck gona do when Paul points out McCain and Plain, and then his boy the Huckster ?

:D


Hmmm Palin & Huckabee are not in congress... His point was to take out those in congress...

I am voting for McCain/Palin. The supreme court is extremely important.

[MRoCkEd]

Here's the video of Chuck talking about Ron Paul helping him choke politicians:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6efKKFFLZJs

Awesome!

[sratiug]

Hmmm Palin & Huckabee are not in congress... His point was to take out those in congress...

I am voting for McCain/Palin. The supreme court is extremely important.

What the hell do they know about the supreme court? No one that doesn't defend the constitution should have the right to choose justices. Fuck McCain.

[EndTheFed]

What the hell do they know about the supreme court? No one that doesn't defend the constitution should have the right to choose justices. Fuck McCain.

McCain has said what kind of justices he will appoint. Obama has said what kind of justices he will appoint. The difference is dramatic.

Too bad if they should not be able to choose justices.. One of them WILL like it or not. So I say have a say in that.

Man I can see you are really good at trying to win people over to your point of view..

[wizardwatson]

Here's the video of Chuck talking about Ron Paul helping him choke politicians:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6efKKFFLZJs

Awesome!

Super cool.

You know Chuck was a super-hero for me as a kid (kids today get on-screen spider-man, and transformers, and the hulk thanks to CGI... lucky bastards..)

Love the "Ron points him out, and I choke them out" wish.

[jarofclay]

About time Chuck came around! Of course he was probably always there because he doesn't really exist in time.

http://www.thechucknorrisfacts.com/

[Cleaner44]

Hmmm Palin & Huckabee are not in congress... His point was to take out those in congress...

I am voting for McCain/Palin. The supreme court is extremely important.

How you say... jackass!

[blocks]

McCain has said what kind of justices he will appoint. Obama has said what kind of justices he will appoint. The difference is dramatic.

Too bad if they should not be able to choose justices.. One of them WILL like it or not. So I say have a say in that.

Man I can see you are really good at trying to win people over to your point of view..

From Laurence Vance on the Lew Rockwell blog:



I am now seeing McCain/Palin signs in the front yards of people I know to be conservative Christians. One of the myths that many of these Christians believe, and many other conservatives as well, is that the Republican Party is the lesser of two evils because a Republican president will at least appoint "good" (usually identified as pro-life) justices to the U.S. Supreme Court. This myth was recently exploded by Gregory Hession in The New American.

Beginning with the appointment by Herbert Hoover of Charles Evans Hughes (who once quipped: "We are under a Constitution, but the Constitution is what the judges say it is."), Hession traces the history of Republican appointments to the Court. Among other gems along the way we see that Harry Blackmun (appointed by Nixon) wrote the infamous Roe v. Wade decision. Hession's conclusion: "Would McCain's judicial nominees at least be better than those Barak Obama would choose? The evidence examined above suggests that that's for from certain."

And as for McCain, he voted to confirm Clinton's appointments of Stephen Breyer and Ruth Ginsburg, as well as Bush Sr.'s appointment of the liberal David Souter. Yet, McCain recently said that as president he would not have appointed them.

McCain believes that Bush appointments John Roberts and Samuel Alito "will serve as the model" for his judicial nominees. If so, then we are in trouble. Both recently voted against the right of habeas corpus in the case of Boumediene v. Bush.

[ClockwiseSpark]

Here's the video of Chuck talking about Ron Paul helping him choke politicians:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6efKKFFLZJs

Awesome!

Good thing he's not trying to promote a book. If he were I might call that pandering.

[EndTheFed]

How you say... jackass!

Hmmm pretty stupid ifyou don't know how to say jackass..

I see you are one of the wonderfully wise Ron Paul Supporters trying so hard to win people over to your way of thinking...

jackass..

[ClockwiseSpark]

Hmmm pretty stupid ifyou don't know how to say jackass..

I see you are one of the wonderfully wise Ron Paul Supporters trying so hard to win people over to your way of thinking...

jackass..

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[EndTheFed]

http://www.b0dhi.com/gtfo.barker.jpg

Is this waht you really want? You want another Ron Paul Supporter to leave.

you really want to create more enemies?

Really wise arn't you..

[ClockwiseSpark]

Is this waht you really want? You want another Ron Paul Supporter to leave.

you really want to create more enemies?

Reallywise arn' you..

You aren't a Ron Paul supporter. You're a McCain supporter. Nice try though.

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[EndTheFed]

From Laurence Vance on the Lew Rockwell blog:

Obama is a socialist... IMHO

We run a MUCH better chance of getting good appointees from McCain than Obama.

Like it or not oneof these two WILL be choosin appointees.

I think it is better to take partin this then just go o well..

We need to continue to educate people and win people over to the movement...

with some WISDOM which very few Ron Paul supporters have...
(few at of least the vocal ones)

[EndTheFed]

You aren't a Ron Paul supporter. You're a McCain supporter. Nice try though.



Sorry.. I am a Ron Paul supporter voting for McCain..

If yo did not notice.. Ron Paul is not running...

[ClockwiseSpark]

Sorry.. I am a Ron Paul supporter voting for McCain..


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[Orgoonian]

Sorry.. I am a Ron Paul supporter voting for McCain..

If yo did not notice.. Ron Paul is not running...




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[EndTheFed]

Yea... You are a great RP supporter... Your gonna win a lot of people to your movement...

Damn you need a medal..

[EndTheFed]

http://i512.photobucket.com/albums/t322/orgoonian/epicfailsealvr6.gif

Sorry don't know the meaning of this...

o well probably not very important anyway

[ClockwiseSpark]

Yea... You are a great RP supporter... Your gonna win a lot of people to your movement...

Damn you need a medal..

I have never expected to win McCain supporters to our movement. They don't have the intellect required. A point you prove over and over again.

[EndTheFed]

I have never expected to win McCain supporters to our movement. They don't have the intellect required. A point you prove over and over again.

Hmmm Get it right... I am a McCain VOTER not supporter...

I've been here as a RP supporter a long time...

So let me see ... Are you gonna win RP supporters to the movement... since they must have the intellect....


Make a lot of sense.

[mmink15]

End the Fed

You do know Ron Paul is urging his supporters to vote third party, right? A vote for McCain is a vote for the lesser of two evils, a mentality this movement is trying to abolish along with the fed. Realize that if you are voting for McCain, you are showing more loyalty to the current system then the current r3VOLution. Justify your decision all you want, just realize you are virtually spitting in the face of all of us here who are actively pursuing the advancement of the r3VOLution.

[blakjak]

this thread sucks

[EndTheFed]

End the Fed

You do know Ron Paul is urging his supporters to vote third party, right? A vote for McCain is a vote for the lesser of two evils, a mentality this movement is trying to abolish along with the fed. Realize that if you are voting for McCain, you are showing more loyalty to the current system then the current r3VOLution. Justify your decision all you want, just realize you are virtually spitting in the face of all of us here who are actively pursuing the advancement of the r3VOLution.

Wrong!!

Certainly I know RP is urging 3rd party. I support RP and I am trying to win people over to understand his positions. I do not walk in lock step with him or anyone else.

Lesser of two evils is a reality not a mentality. Yes I understand the issue here but like itor not THIS ELECTION one ofthe two (McCain or Obama) are GOING to be elected. My main issue is supreme court appointees which will be extemely important to thi movement. Most peopl here say there is no difference in the two which is tru in one respect BUT MUCH different in some. Obama would be an absolute disaster for this country. I know there are thoise who say well let it happen all the better fo RP... I don't think so.

[EndTheFed]

this thread sucks

well don't respond to it...

[ClockwiseSpark]

Wrong!!

Certainly I know RP is urginh 3rd party. I support RPO and I am trying to win people over to understand his positions. I do not walk in lock step with him or anyone else.

Lesser of two evils is a reality not a mentality. Yes I understand the issue here but like itor not THIS ELECTION one ofthe two (McCain or Obama) are GOING to be elected. My main issue is supreme court appointees which will be extemely important to thi movement. Most peopl here say there is no difference in the two which is tru in one respect BUT MUCH different in some. Obama would be an absolute disaster for this country. I know there are thoise who say well let it happen all the better fo RP... I don't think so.


Court Appointees! While our economy crashes and our Representatives sell us out. Go shill for McCain somewhere else troll.

http://www.ratemyeverything.net/image/5529/0/STFU_and_GTFO.ashx

[Kotin]

stfu and lay off EndtheFed..


how dare you say someone isnt a supporter..


it really pisses me off when you guys attack someone cause you have absolutely nothing else to do.


EndtheFed, I understand your choice, I may disagree, but I understand it and further, I
respect it.


Clockwise why don't you learn how to respect people and get some manors while your at it. :rolleyes:

[ClockwiseSpark]

stfu and lay off EndtheFed..


how dare you say someone isnt a supporter..


it really pisses me off when you guys attack someone cause you have absolutely nothing else to do.


EndtheFed, I understand your choice, I may disagree, but I understand it and further, I
respect it.


Clockwise why don't you learn how to respect people and get some manors while your at it. :rolleyes:


I have manors, 3 of them in fact. :rolleyes:

I suggest you pay a bit more attention if you're going to be jumping in on EndtheFed's behalf. He has been shilling for McCain for weeks now but yeah, I'm sure he's a RP supporter.

[EndTheFed]

Court Appointees! While our economy crashes and our Representatives sell us out. Go shill for McCain somewhere else troll.




Then Quit insulting me... the movement would be better off if you did not do that to people... if you dont have time them just go away.... ignore it...

dumb ass

[sratiug]

McCain has said what kind of justices he will appoint. Obama has said what kind of justices he will appoint. The difference is dramatic.

Too bad if they should not be able to choose justices.. One of them WILL like it or not. So I say have a say in that.

Man I can see you are really good at trying to win people over to your point of view..

You don't KNOW one of them will choose justices. You don't KNOW the future. We should have all known all this was going to happen, and had Ron Paul on all the ballots in all the states and he might actually have a chance to pick those justices himself.

I'm not trying to win you over. I figure if you are here, you know whats going on. If you know what's going on and you want McCain to win, I think you are on the wrong forum.

[EndTheFed]

stfu and lay off EndtheFed..


how dare you say someone isnt a supporter..


it really pisses me off when you guys attack someone cause you have absolutely nothing else to do.


EndtheFed, I understand your choice, I may disagree, but I understand it and further, I
respect it.


Clockwise why don't you learn how to respect people and get some manors while your at it. :rolleyes:


Thank you... The way I have been attacked in thelast few weeks here it has kinda becomea mission of mine to expose the rudeness and igonorange in this movement of winning people over...

I would assumethat people want as many people as possible to understnd their positions and get as many as possible to agree with them.

Seems to me they will win NO elections in the future with this mindset.

Knowledge and wisdom are tow different things if you have knowledge but try to put it forth with NO wisdom you are shooting yourself in the foot.

[Carole]

Nice.

"Norris' hour-long speech mostly focused on his background and the story of his success, though he did acknowledge that he was a supporter of former Republican presidential contender Mike Huckabee, and he also believes in Ron Paul.
Norris even mixed martial arts and politics, saying he once told someone if he had one wish, it would be to go to Washington with Paul, line up all of the members of Congress and wait for Paul to point out the corrupt politicians.

''We would walk down the aisle, he points to one and says 'He's crooked,' and I grab him and choke him unconscious,'' Norris said. ''The ones that are honest stay and focus on getting us back on our feet.''

It was only at the end of Norris' speech that he said he supported Republicans John McCain and Sarah Palin, because they'd bring Paul and Huckabee into the White House. "

How do McInSane and Palin bring Huckabee and Paul into the White House for crying out loud? :)

[Orgoonian]

Hot Topics?

[EndTheFed]

I have manors, 3 of them in fact. :rolleyes:

I suggest you pay a bit more attention if you're going to be jumping in on EndtheFed's behalf. He has been shilling for McCain for weeks now but yeah, I'm sure he's a RP supporter.

Shilling... I think not... You and the likes of you have put me on a mission...

a "mission from God" so to speak... hehe :) (inside joke to theoriginal thread)

I want people hee to seehow badly they reflect on RP and the movement by actin the way some of you do.

[mmink15]

Wrong!!

Certainly I know RP is urging 3rd party. I support RP and I am trying to win people over to understand his positions. I do not walk in lock step with him or anyone else.

Lesser of two evils is a reality not a mentality. Yes I understand the issue here but like itor not THIS ELECTION one ofthe two (McCain or Obama) are GOING to be elected. My main issue is supreme court appointees which will be extemely important to thi movement. Most peopl here say there is no difference in the two which is tru in one respect BUT MUCH different in some. Obama would be an absolute disaster for this country. I know there are thoise who say well let it happen all the better fo RP... I don't think so.


I fight this type of argument everyday when I talk to the very people we are trying to enlighten. I'm not gonna waste my time on RPF telling you about how counter-productive a McCain vote is to all of us who are busting our asses trying to make something happen in THIS election. As I said the post you responded to: Justify your McCain vote however you like, you are virtually spitting in the face of those working hard to take this movement forward.

[EndTheFed]

You don't KNOW one of them will choose justices. You don't KNOW the future. We should have all known all this was going to happen, and had Ron Paul on all the ballots in all the states and he might actually have a chance to pick those justices himself.

You don't know the future either.. Ron Paul "COULD" decide tomorrow t become a communist.. but based on the facts you have that doesn't seem to be the case.



I'm not trying to win you over. I figure if you are here, you know whats going on. If you know what's going on and you want McCain to win, I think you are on the wrong forum.

Wrong Forum? Is this forum to get RP elected? if that is the case then this forum should go ahead and shut down..

I thought this forum was to help promote the cause and to help educate people and to have a place to let RP supporters (which I am) to communicate and keep up with what is going on...

Soi anm I really on the wrong forum?

[ClayTrainor]

Norris even mixed martial arts and politics, saying he once told someone if he had one wish, it would be to go to Washington with Paul, line up all of the members of Congress and wait for Paul to point out the corrupt politicians.

''We would walk down the aisle, he points to one and says 'He's crooked,' and I grab him and choke him unconscious,'' Norris said. ''The ones that are honest stay and focus on getting us back on our feet.''


Pretty good article



Chuck Norris is suing Myspace for taking the name of what he calls everything around you.:cool:

[Carole]

Wrong!!

Certainly I know RP is urging 3rd party. I support RP and I am trying to win people over to understand his positions. I do not walk in lock step with him or anyone else.

Lesser of two evils is a reality not a mentality. Yes I understand the issue here but like itor not THIS ELECTION one ofthe two (McCain or Obama) are GOING to be elected. My main issue is supreme court appointees which will be extemely important to thi movement. Most peopl here say there is no difference in the two which is tru in one respect BUT MUCH different in some. Obama would be an absolute disaster for this country. I know there are thoise who say well let it happen all the better fo RP... I don't think so.
We have had the lesser of two evils for years in these elections. Where has it gotten us?

More of the same and then some I would say.

It is far more important to bring along the third parties and the independents.

Just say NO to the lesser of two evils--it is still EVIL. :D

[mmink15]

Shilling... I think not... You and the likes of you have put me on a mission...

a "mission from God" so to speak... hehe :) (inside joke to theoriginal thread)

I want people hee to seehow badly they reflect on RP and the movement by actin the way some of you do.

If actions speak louder than words, what does a McCain vote say? I'm not trying to tear you down personally, just trying to win your vote. This movement is in a prime place to take off, especially with all the economic problems and how they have been foreseen by Dr. Paul. A large third party turnout will do much more for liberty and freedom than a supreme court justice or two. Keep in mind any choice McCain/Palin makes for Supreme Court has to be approved by a democratic House/Congress. That pretty much ensures a moderate anyway, which is probably not what you are hoping for. If that happens you will probably feel how I did after voting for democrats to end the war in 2006-NEVER AGAIN

[EndTheFed]

As far as shilling, If you will notice I started this thread. It was about RP and chuck norris showing signs of moving in our direction... I though that was good..

Then the attacks on mccain palin started. Having differing opinions is one thing... but I'll be damen if I am going to sit by and watch people throw around basless ridicule at people... I did not do it for RP and I won'tfor others either...

[EndTheFed]

I fight this type of argument everyday when I talk to the very people we are trying to enlighten. I'm not gonna waste my time on RPF telling you about how counter-productive a McCain vote is to all of us who are busting our asses trying to make something happen in THIS election. As I said the post you responded to: Justify your McCain vote however you like, you are virtually spitting in the face of those working hard to take this movement forward.

Just exactly what are you trying to accomplish in THIS election? A protest vote?

[EndTheFed]

We have had the lesser of two evils for years in these elections. Where has it gotten us?

More of the same and then some I would say.

It is far more important to bring along the third parties and the independents.

Just say NO to the lesser of two evils--it is still EVIL. :D

I understandyou point about lesser of two evils but I disagree. At least for THIS curren election. I trhink weneed to educate more people and get behind one candidate for the future... (Not mccain BTW)

[EndTheFed]

If actions speak louder than words, what does a McCain vote say? I'm not trying to tear you down personally, just trying to win your vote. This movement is in a prime place to take off, especially with all the economic problems and how they have been foreseen by Dr. Paul. A large third party turnout will do much more for liberty and freedom than a supreme court justice or two. Keep in mind any choice McCain/Palin makes for Supreme Court has to be approved by a democratic House/Congress. That pretty much ensures a moderate anyway, which is probably not what you are hoping for. If that happens you will probably feel how I did after voting for democrats to end the war in 2006-NEVER AGAIN

This is a good point... Most well though out here that I have seen BTW

At this point RP is having to over come the damage done by his followers (Sean Hanity and the Great Snowball Incident and such) ...

turn out will do much more for liberty... well Im not so sure if it gets Obama elected.

[mmink15]

Just exactly what are you trying to accomplish in THIS election? A protest vote?

If there is no voter evidence for support of the 4 basic principles that were laid out in the CFL 3rd party press conference, how can we expect a push in Washington for any of those principles? If everyone continues with the lesser of two evils mentality(I disagree with you that it is a reality, it's only a reality if YOU make it so), McCain or Obama will go into office with absolutely no reservations about expanding government, letting the fed go unchecked, spreading our military even thinner, and taking more civil liberties from all of us. With the recent failing of the bail-out, due in large part to the response from voters, we see that voter power can still be flexed effectively. Now if we can get 25% of the popular vote to go third party, McCain/Obama will have to walk softly and know that 1 in 4 voters will be watching like hawks every decision they make and when they try to sneak something like this bailout past us, they will face resistance.

Let me ask you what you just asked me. Just exactly what are you trying to accomplish in this election? Accepting the current establishment, or speaking out against it?

[mmink15]

This is a good point... Most well though out here that I have seen BTW

At this point RP is having to over come the damage done by his followers (Sean Hanity and the Great Snowball Incident and such) ...

turn out will do much more for liberty... well Im not so sure if it gets Obama elected.


I'm not of the "snowballer" ilk, although I was a few blocks away when the incident occured protesting the FOX debate exclusion with a couple hundred others. I only keep posting in this thread because I truly believe third party turnout is of utmost importance, and I will try to win 3rd party votes one at a time if necessary. Does McCain really need your vote when so many of those uneducated, unprincipled voters are gonna give him theirs? I'm of the opinion to show our politicians that there is a large 3rd party contingent then use it as leverage to get our positions heard by the masses.

[Flash]

Chuck Norris rules. I wonder if Huckabee fans are discussing this article.

[EndTheFed]

If there is no voter evidence for support of the 4 basic principles that were laid out in the CFL 3rd party press conference, how can we expect a push in Washington for any of those principles? If everyone continues with the lesser of two evils mentality(I disagree with you that it is a reality, it's only a reality if YOU make it so), McCain or Obama will go into office with absolutely no reservations about expanding government, letting the fed go unchecked, spreading our military even thinner, and taking more civil liberties from all of us. With the recent failing of the bail-out, due in large part to the response from voters, we see that voter power can still be flexed effectively. Now if we can get 25% of the popular vote to go third party, McCain/Obama will have to walk softly and know that 1 in 4 voters will be watching like hawks every decision they make and when they try to sneak something like this bailout past us, they will face resistance.

Let me ask you what you just asked me. Just exactly what are you trying to accomplish in this election? Accepting the current establishment, or speaking out against it?


The only answer I can give you, honestly is I think Obama would be an absolute disaster for this county, for this movement and the ramifications would have LASTING effects that might be VERY hard to reverse.

[mmink15]

Chuck Norris rules. I wonder if Huckabee fans are discussing this article.

Are there still Huckabee fans?

I went over to the Huck's army site and there are 23 on-line right now as opposed to 741 here.

This goes to show that a movement based on principles and not personalities will last longer and go stronger. No doubt that Huckabee fans would be as opposed to the bailout as Ron Paul supporters.

[EndTheFed]

I'm not of the "snowballer" ilk, although I was a few blocks away when the incident occured protesting the FOX debate exclusion with a couple hundred others. I only keep posting in this thread because I truly believe third party turnout is of utmost importance, and I will try to win 3rd party votes one at a time if necessary. Does McCain really need your vote when so many of those uneducated, unprincipled voters are gonna give him theirs? I'm of the opinion to show our politicians that there is a large 3rd party contingent then use it as leverage to get our positions heard by the masses.

Well this is the real point that will change my vote if it does... I am in a pretty secure state (Alabama). So when it comes down to it I may change my vote based on this butI have to wait until we get closer to the election.

[EndTheFed]

Chuck Norris rules. I wonder if Huckabee fans are discussing this article.

Good question...

[jmdrake]

Obama is a socialist... IMHO

And McCain said he wanted to make a "joint statement on the economy" with a man you call a socialist. :rolleyes: Tweedle dee and tweedle dumber. And "conservative" judges that don't believe in habeus corpus don't give me the warm fuzzies. Or what about the decision in "Small versus U.S." when "conservative" justices Scalia and Thomas joined justice Kennedy in asserting that a law which banned felons "convicted in any court" of a felony from owning guns also applied to convictions in foreign courts? Saying that courts in Japan (or Cuba for that matter) can strip Americans of gun rights is REAL conservative.

Regards,

John M. Drake

[jmdrake]

http://www.ohio.com/news/29873474.html

Better late than never I suppose. I'm not sure how Chuck can equate Ron Paul with McCain/Palin/Huckabee. As for "letting them in the Whitehouse" all you need is to sign up for the tour. :D And McCain seems anxious to let Obama in the Whitehouse with all of his calls for joint meetings and joint statements on the economy.

[EndTheFed]

And McCain said he wanted to make a "joint statement on the economy" with a man you call a socialist. :rolleyes: Tweedle dee and tweedle dumber. And "conservative" judges that don't believe in habeus corpus don't give me the warm fuzzies. Or what about the decision in "Small versus U.S." when "conservative" justices Scalia and Thomas joined justice Kennedy in asserting that a law which banned felons "convicted in any court" of a felony from owning guns also applied to convictions in foreign courts? Saying that courts in Japan (or Cuba for that matter) can strip Americans of gun rights is REAL conservative.

Regards,

John M. Drake


I did not say I was comfortable wit every part of this decision... I said there is a MUCH bETTER Chance IMO if mccain is in instead of obama

[mmink15]

The only answer I can give you, honestly is I think Obama would be an absolute disaster for this county, for this movement and the ramifications would have LASTING effects that might be VERY hard to reverse.

So we are back to the lesser of two evils argument. Do you see how ingrained this mentality has become in the minds of even the most educated Americans? This argument is based in fear, which is a terrible compass to follow. So it seems that this time you use the argument it has a mildly different spin to it. It seems you think we could reverse the effects of McCain better than we could reverse the effects of Obama. Of course the first step is going to be reversing the way we use our vote, I simply suggest you use this election to begin that process. Since you've been on the forums awhile I will assume you have an understanding of the monetary and military issues of the day as I make the next few points. With the 2-party system running unchecked as it has for many many years now, a dollar collapse is likely to be drastic and give us the chance to bring about radical change almost overnight in a way we never have before. If we do not show any resistance to the current system, we are saying that we trust our elected officials to do as they have done to keep things going. So if a collapse happens before you get your chance to vote for who you believe in, your McCain vote will have said to Washington that you trust them to keep up the status quo when that isn't what you want. Your McCain vote also says to Washington that you are in support of expansive wars that you may be adamantly opposed to. If we do not get a chance to make our collective voices heard before any of the foreseen collapses take place, they may never be heard at all. "Now" is always the time to start affecting change, waiting til "next time" rarely works, if ever.

[EndTheFed]

So we are back to the lesser of two evils argument. Do you see how ingrained this mentality has become in the minds of even the most educated Americans? This argument is based in fear, which is a terrible compass to follow.


Well you know.. you ain't paranoid if they are really after you... :)

I understand fear mongering but I just dont think we are big enough yet. I think realistically we are between 10-18% now (at least before the current crisis :) )
We may be bigger now...

[mmink15]

Well you know.. you ain't paranoid if they are really after you... :)

I understand fear mongering but I just dont think we are big enough yet. I think realistically we are between 10-18% now (at least before the current crisis :) )
We may be bigger now...

This is a truly sad reply

If you understand fear mongering and rationally decide to give in until there are more people around that are on your side, then I would just suggest a liitle courage, my friend. This isn't the time to sit back and let others do the heavy lifting, we need all the help we can get. I have enjoyed the back and forth we've been having this afternoon EndTheFed, and I hope to continue it in the future. I have to head to work now so I'll be silent for a few hours at least. Have a good day.

[Razorback Fan]

I am voting for McCain/Palin. The supreme court is extremely important.

Err...for what?

How much of what's killing our country was ever decided by the Supreme Court?

[EndTheFed]

Err...for what?

How much of what's killing our country was ever decided by the Supreme Court?

Well things like right to bare arms and what that means...

You know the movement may reach the point that it needs this..

[EndTheFed]

This is a truly sad reply

If you understand fear mongering and rationally decide to give in until there are more people around that are on your side, then I would just suggest a liitle courage, my friend. This isn't the time to sit back and let others do the heavy lifting, we need all the help we can get. I have enjoyed the back and forth we've been having this afternoon EndTheFed, and I hope to continue it in the future. I have to head to work now so I'll be silent for a few hours at least. Have a good day.

Thanks... we'll talk soon.

You have to really look hard to decide if something is fearmongering or not. and it might just be both Just becausesome may be using fear to encite actiontat doesnt man that all they say is wrong...

[mmink15]

Well things like right to bare arms and what that means...

You know the movement may reach the point that it needs this..

...If people keep throwing away their votes like you intend to do. You can't say that you are to scared to vote against McCain and then start talking about wielding weapons without sounding like...well...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=23ZqedYqBpQ&feature=related

Okay, I'm off to work for real this time

[EndTheFed]

...If people keep throwing away their votes like you intend to do. You can't say that you are to scared to vote against McCain and then start talking about wielding weapons without sounding like...well...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=23ZqedYqBpQ&feature=related

Okay, I'm off to work for real this time

:)

[UnReconstructed]

the devil believes in Jesus but it doesn't make him worth a shit.

[EndTheFed]

the devil believes in Jesus but it doesn't make him worth a shit.

Man... people in this movement sure have a tendency to shoot themselfs in the foot... just like Pelosi...

Say stuff to piss people off does nothing to win them to your point of view...

[ultimaonliner]

This thread has become a perfect example of how RP supporters can shoot themselves in the foot.

The supporters here seem to want to pitch a tent so small that really, it will be too small to effective.

EndTheFed is being attacked, and for what? The guy has an opinion that a lot of people who live in reality also have. Telling him to get the F out and insulting him does absolutely nothing to help RP enlarge his numbers.

Most other parties try to ENLARGE their following. One does NOT accept the policy of "either you're with us or you're against us" to build the numbers needed and to take away people from other affiliations.

[Orgoonian]

hot topics?

[Conza88]

Man... people in this movement sure have a tendency to shoot themselfs in the foot... just like Palosi...

Say stuff to piss people off does nothing to win them to your point of view...

Comparing this movement to Pelosi...

Yeaaaah, good one. :rolleyes:

[alaric]

Wrong!!

Certainly I know RP is urging 3rd party. I support RP and I am trying to win people over to understand his positions. I do not walk in lock step with him or anyone else.

Lesser of two evils is a reality not a mentality. Yes I understand the issue here but like itor not THIS ELECTION one ofthe two (McCain or Obama) are GOING to be elected. My main issue is supreme court appointees which will be extemely important to thi movement. Most peopl here say there is no difference in the two which is tru in one respect BUT MUCH different in some. Obama would be an absolute disaster for this country. I know there are thoise who say well let it happen all the better fo RP... I don't think so.

the same 'logic' for poppy bush vs clinton, clinton vs dole, wbushfraud vs gore, w again vs kerry. I fell for the 'we have to keep out the commie, so vote for ....' argument. NO MORE!

[alaric]

The only answer I can give you, honestly is I think Obama would be an absolute disaster for this county, for this movement and the ramifications would have LASTING effects that might be VERY hard to reverse.

this may be true, but as disgusting as it sounds in my head, we would have been better off with big, bad Gore than that traitor we are stuck with now.

[EndTheFed]

This thread has become a perfect example of how RP supporters can shoot themselves in the foot.

The supporters here seem to want to pitch a tent so small that really, it will be too small to effective.

EndTheFed is being attacked, and for what? The guy has an opinion that a lot of people who live in reality also have. Telling him to get the F out and insulting him does absolutely nothing to help RP enlarge his numbers.

Most other parties try to ENLARGE their following. One does NOT accept the policy of "either you're with us or you're against us" to build the numbers needed and to take away people from other affiliations.

Famous Quote if you are old enough to remember...

"Thanks for your support"

[EndTheFed]

Comparing this movement to Pelosi...

Yeaaaah, good one. :rolleyes:

Well the parallel is that she had people to vote with her, then she went out and said/did stupid stuff to piss them off.

That is what has been happening here. Ron Paul has a supporter (Me) with a little different opinion on some things and other supporters here curse me tell me to get the fuck out and such. Makes me want to leave and have nothing to do with this group. Fortunatly, I am mature enough to understand and ignore it.

[EndTheFed]

the same 'logic' for poppy bush vs clinton, clinton vs dole, wbushfraud vs gore, w again vs kerry. I fell for the 'we have to keep out the commie, so vote for ....' argument. NO MORE!

And your using the same logic tat if a 3rd party gets a large percentage of the vot theywill have a big say in the future...

Hmmmmm can you say Ross Perot?

He got around 20%

[EndTheFed]

this may be true, but as disgusting as it sounds in my head, we would have been better off with big, bad Gore than that traitor we are stuck with now.

Not completely sure I agree... but like i said not completely....

[JosephTheLibertarian]

Man... people in this movement sure have a tendency to shoot themselfs in the foot... just like Pelosi...

Say stuff to piss people off does nothing to win them to your point of view...

How's this. You're voting for evil.

I understand. A theocratic minority on this forum attack me for my ideoloical purity.

www.freedomainradio.com I suggest you go there, listen to the podcasts, watch the videos, and listen to the audiobooks for free. Stefan Molyneux is a great philosopher, he'll set you straight.

[EndTheFed]

How's this.

Well the parallel is that she had people to vote with her, then she went out and said/did stupid stuff to piss them off.

That is what has been happening here. Ron Paul has a supporter (Me) with a little different opinion on some things and other supporters here curse me tell me to get the fuck out and such. Makes me want to leave and have nothing to do with this group. Fortunatly, I am mature enough to understand and ignore it


You're voting for evil.

Not!!!



I understand. A theocratic minority on this forum attack me for my ideoloical purity.

www.freedomainradio.com I suggest you go there, listen to the podcasts, watch the videos, and listen to the audiobooks for free. Stefan Molyneux is a great philosopher, he'll set you straight.

I don't need to "be set straight" for having a differing opinion.

[JosephTheLibertarian]

Well the parallel is that she had people to vote with her, then she went out and said/did stupid stuff to piss them off.

That is what has been happening here. Ron Paul has a supporter (Me) with a little different opinion on some things and other supporters here curse me tell me to get the fuck out and such. Makes me want to leave and have nothing to do with this group. Fortunatly, I am mature enough to understand and ignore it



Not!!!



I don't need to "be set straight" for having a differing opinion.

Sure, but in the same light, you can't claim philosophical and logical consistency. You can't have your cake and eat it too. You're voting for your next oppressor.

[EndTheFed]

Sure, but in the same light, you can't claim philosophical and logical consistency. You can't have your cake and eat it too. You're voting for your next oppressor.

No... First of all I don't see it that way (At least at this point)

Where is there a logical problem?

In YOUR termanology:

We are GOING to have an opressor and I have some say in which opressor I will have. I will choose a lesser opressor than Obama

philosophical consistency is relative

[IPSecure]

Video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6efKKFFLZJs

[EndTheFed]

Video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6efKKFFLZJs

Great Find...!! :)

[EndTheFed]

:) :)

[afmatt]

Video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6efKKFFLZJs

Thanks!

ROFL - Choke pile

[Mini-Me]

Just exactly what are you trying to accomplish in THIS election? A protest vote?

Here's the thing: You're right that we cannot win this Presidential election. However, we can show increasing discontent. What you need to understand is that this election will affect the outcome of future elections in two important ways:

If McCain wins, that's the absolute worst case scenario, because the Republican Party will feel vindicated. They will see no need for a change in direction, much less a radical change in direction, and our attempts at reform within the party will continue to be blocked with even more vigor than before. If McCain loses this election and if they lose house seats as well, that's two straight elections (including 2006) where the Republicans' candidates and platform have led them to failure. The larger McCain's loss, the more disillusioned Republicans will become, and the more open they'll be to new and better ideas for changing their tune and broadening their base. The Republican Party cannot be reformed overnight, but if it keeps getting battered by losses, that will certainly make our job a heck of a lot easier. Helping them win and sending the message that "McCain is acceptable to me" is not going to make our long-term job any easier at all, and that's where the angry reactions you're getting are coming from.
Every single election, the third party vote brings in tiny percentages, because nobody feels that a third party can win (and even Perot, with all of his money and exposure, could not win). It's a self-fulfilling prophecy. You're right that we cannot change that in a single election. Either McCain or Obama will become the next President. However, what we can do is slowly start chipping away at the foundations of the two-wings-of-one-party system. We are the vanguard. If we show increasing discontent with the system and support for third party candidates, we will make just a few more voters two and four years from now decide that maybe they too should do the same thing. We can't capsize the boat in a single election, but we can slowly rock it and destabilize it, and the more people notice, the more people will join in and rock the boat further. If our numbers increase year after year, they'll eventually reach a critical mass where the American people finally have a different outlook on elections, and at that point, the Republicats will lose their dominance. (It's actually a brief window of opportunity though, since plurality voting naturally creates a two-party system). At that point, third party candidates WILL be able to win. However, if we do not put our foot down and start laying the foundation for future change, we will doom ourselves to continue this endless cycle of "lesser of two evils," even when neither candidate is really any less evil than the other*. All the while, time is running out and our country continues its downward spiral. In my opinion, the time to put our foot down and say "I refuse to take this any more" is now...so that hopefully, more people will take notice and start doing the same. Someone has to be first.



*Obama has no real problem with war or the police state, and he's not exactly a big defender of habeas corpus or anything like that, but he sure is gung-ho about socialistic economic policies and gun-grabbing. McCain has no real problem with socialistic economic policies and gun-grabbing, but he sure is gung-ho about war and the police state, and he's definitely no fan of habeas corpus or any silly Latin terms like that. Seriously, neither of these two are really the "lesser" of two evils - they're just each more obviously evil than the other in different categories. When it comes down to it, that's really the whole point: The establishment advances totalitarianism by having each party do the legwork on different sides of the coin, and then each party raises talking points about the bad things the other party is doing, but neither party ever takes a meaningful stand against those policies. Sure, there's some genuine disagreement between the leadership of the two parties as to which flavor of socialism they want - national socialism (Nazi Germany) or vanilla socialism (East Germany) - but totalitarianism is on the agenda for both, and we're being played by both sides. The longer we continue to play their game, the further in we're letting them take it.

[EndTheFed]

Here's the thing: You're right that we cannot win this Presidential election. However, we can show increasing discontent. What you need to understand is that this election will affect the outcome of future elections in two important ways:

If McCain wins, that's the absolute worst case scenario, because the Republican Party will feel vindicated. They will see no need for a change in direction, much less a radical change in direction, and our attempts at reform within the party will continue to be blocked with even more vigor than before. If McCain loses this election and if they lose house seats as well, that's two straight elections (including 2006) where the Republicans' candidates and platform have led them to failure. The larger McCain's loss, the more disillusioned Republicans will become, and the more open they'll be to new and better ideas for changing their tune and broadening their base. The Republican Party cannot be reformed overnight, but if it keeps getting battered by losses, that will certainly make our job a heck of a lot easier. Helping them win and sending the message that "McCain is acceptable to me" is not going to make our long-term job any easier at all, and that's where the angry reactions you're getting are coming from.
Every single election, the third party vote brings in tiny percentages, because nobody feels that a third party can win (and even Perot, with all of his money and exposure, could not win). It's a self-fulfilling prophecy. You're right that we cannot change that in a single election. Either McCain or Obama will become the next President. However, what we can do is slowly start chipping away at the foundations of the two-wings-of-one-party system. We are the vanguard. If we show increasing discontent with the system and support for third party candidates, we will make just a few more voters two and four years from now decide that maybe they too should do the same thing. We can't capsize the boat in a single election, but we can slowly rock it and destabilize it, and the more people notice, the more people will join in and rock the boat further. If our numbers increase year after year, they'll eventually reach a critical mass where the American people finally have a different outlook on elections, and at that point, the Republicats will lose their dominance. (It's actually a brief window of opportunity though, since plurality voting naturally creates a two-party system). At that point, third party candidates WILL be able to win. However, if we do not put our foot down and start laying the foundation for future change, we will doom ourselves to continue this endless cycle of "lesser of two evils," even when neither candidate is really any less evil than the other*. All the while, time is running out and our country continues its downward spiral. In my opinion, the time to put our foot down and say "I refuse to take this any more" is now...so that hopefully, more people will take notice and start doing the same. Someone has to be first.



*Obama has no real problem with war or the police state, and he's not exactly a big defender of habeas corpus or anything like that, but he sure is gung-ho about socialistic economic policies and gun-grabbing. McCain has no real problem with socialistic economic policies and gun-grabbing, but he sure is gung-ho about war and the police state, and he's definitely no fan of habeas corpus or any silly Latin terms like that. Seriously, neither of these two are really the "lesser" of two evils - they're just each more obviously evil than the other in different categories. When it comes down to it, that's really the whole point: The establishment advances totalitarianism by having each party do the legwork on different sides of the coin, and then each party raises talking points about the bad things the other party is doing, but neither party ever takes a meaningful stand against those policies. Sure, there's some genuine disagreement between the leadership of the two parties as to which flavor of socialism they want - national socialism (Nazi Germany) or vanilla socialism (East Germany) - but totalitarianism is on the agenda for both, and we're being played by both sides. The longer we continue to play their game, the further in we're letting them take it.

Well thought out.. You addressed most issues... What about the supreme court..

This is my MOST important point about getting mccain instead of obama

[Mini-Me]

In terms of the Supreme Court, I meant my last paragraph to address that point in a roundabout way. What particular issue are you most worried about the Supreme Court ruling on? I'm kind of shooting in the dark, and I'll have a better idea of how to address your argument once you detail the kind of cases you're worried about Obama judges voting on that McCain judges would take a better stand on. After all, neither Obama nor McCain are likely to appoint justices who have a consistently principled pro-Constitution stance, so it depends on which of your rights you'd rather have their justices trample all over (and whether you're really that sure that those particular rights outweigh the others to such a degree that my earlier points cannot make up for the difference).

On one hand, McCain is more likely to appoint pro-life, somewhat pro-gun judges, although he's not exactly big on gun rights anyway. On the other hand, he's also more likely to appoint pro-big brother and anti-habeas corpus judges, too. As someone else pointed out, Roberts and Alito voted against upholding habeas corpus in a recent case.

If you're concerned about what economic policies the Supreme Court justices will allow the government to get away with, I'd venture to say that every single justice will continue to give the rest of the government carte blanche with totalitarian policies like $700 billion bailouts.

As I said though, I'm shooting in the dark, and I'm not sure which issues are your top priorities. What specific advantages do you see McCain-appointed justices having over Obama-appointed justices?

[EndTheFed]

In terms of the Supreme Court, I meant my last paragraph to address that point in a roundabout way. What particular issue are you most worried about the Supreme Court ruling on? I'm kind of shooting in the dark, and I'll have a better idea of how to address your argument once you detail the kind of cases you're worried about Obama judges voting on that McCain judges would take a better stand on. After all, neither Obama nor McCain are likely to appoint justices who have a consistently principled pro-Constitution stance, so it depends on which of your rights you'd rather have their justices trample all over (and whether you're really that sure that those particular rights outweigh the others to such a degree that my earlier points cannot make up for the difference).

On one hand, McCain is more likely to appoint pro-life, somewhat pro-gun judges, although he's not exactly big on gun rights anyway. On the other hand, he's also more likely to appoint pro-big brother and anti-habeas corpus judges, too. As someone else pointed out, Roberts and Alito voted against upholding habeas corpus in a recent case.

If you're concerned about what economic policies the Supreme Court justices will allow the government to get away with, I'd venture to say that every single justice will continue to give the rest of the government carte blanche with totalitarian policies like $700 billion bailouts.

As I said though, I'm shooting in the dark, and I'm not sure which issues are your top priorities. What specific advantages do you see McCain-appointed justices having over Obama-appointed justices?

Well I'm not talking about specific rights at this point .. More about the type ofjustices theywill appoint...

We need appointees that believe in interpreting law instead of makin law. I think obama could appoint some that would be a disaster appointed for life with not enough opposition in congress. This could be devestating fo years to come... whereas with mccain i think we have a better chance his notbeing as devestating...
:)

[Mini-Me]

Well I'm not talking about specific rights at this point .. More about the type ofjustices theywill appoint...

We need appointees that believe in interpreting law instead of makin law. I think obama could appoint some that would be a disaster appointed for life with not enough opposition in congress. This could be devestating fo years to come... whereas with mccain i think we have a better chance his notbeing as devestating...
:)

I agree that we need appointees that believe in interpreting rather than making the law, but we're not going to seat that kind of justice either way. "Judicial activism" is really just a label people apply to any judge who "interprets" the Constitution in a way they don't like. As Judge Andrew Napolitano once said, "One man's judicial activism is another man's heroic defense of the Constitution. When judicial activism merely enforces the Constitution it's a good concept." Matt Collins posted the full quote in his post here: http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showpost.php?p=1623128&postcount=18. Actually, the whole thread is a pretty good read.

When it comes down to it, even those judges who supposedly pride themselves on only "interpreting" the law do their own share of activism, and it's not always for the best: In the case of so-called conservative judges like Roberts and Alito, I'm pretty sure they weren't interpreting the Constitution very faithfully when they voted against habeas corpus. Although "conservative" judges pay better lip service to merely interpreting the Constitution than more openly revisionist "living document liberal" judges, their actual voting records say a whole lot more about how they really view the supreme law of the land.

In other words, I agree with you that the Supreme Court's job is to interpret the law (and to point out which laws are unconstitutional and therefore invalid - otherwise they have no power whatsoever over the other two branches). However, I disagree that McCain is any more likely than Obama to appoint a judge who will faithfully do this in practice. The only real difference between the appointees will regard which parts of the Constitution they choose to respect at all.

Frankly, I see every single justice on the court as a disgrace, without exception. On occasion each one will vote correctly and I'll applaud them, but none of them are actually consistent or reliable. Whoever McCain appoints will be similarly unreliable, and in my opinion, the difference between any two of those justices in the Court just cannot make up for the damage that McCain winning this election will do to our future chances.

[EndTheFed]

I agree that we need appointees that believe in interpreting rather than making the law, but we're not going to seat that kind of justice either way. "Judicial activism" is really just a label people apply to any judge who "interprets" the Constitution in a way they don't like. As Judge Andrew Napolitano once said, "One man's judicial activism is another man's heroic defense of the Constitution. When judicial activism merely enforces the Constitution it's a good concept." Matt Collins posted the full quote in his post here: http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showpost.php?p=1623128&postcount=18. Actually, the whole thread is a pretty good read.

When it comes down to it, even those judges who supposedly pride themselves on only "interpreting" the law do their own share of activism, and it's not always for the best: In the case of so-called conservative judges like Roberts and Alito, I'm pretty sure they weren't interpreting the Constitution very faithfully when they voted against habeas corpus. Although "conservative" judges pay better lip service to merely interpreting the Constitution than more openly revisionist "living document liberal" judges, their actual voting records say a whole lot more about how they really view the supreme law of the land.

In other words, I agree with you that the Supreme Court's job is to interpret the law (and to point out which laws are unconstitutional and therefore invalid - otherwise they have no power whatsoever over the other two branches). However, I disagree that McCain is any more likely than Obama to appoint a judge who will faithfully do this in practice. The only real difference between the appointees will regard which parts of the Constitution they choose to respect at all.

Frankly, I see every single justice on the court as a disgrace, without exception. On occasion each one will vote correctly and I'll applaud them, but none of them are actually consistent or reliable. Whoever McCain appoints will be similarly unreliable, and in my opinion, the difference between any two of those justices in the Court just cannot make up for the damage that McCain winning this election will do to our future chances.

Well as I said this is my biggest issue. I am in a "safe" state (AL) so by the time the vote happens I may change my mind but for the time being we will see.

I have to say you discuss thing an a higher level than most here.. Where have you been :)

I am also trying to get people here to understand that the more they tell people "where to go" and "what they can do with themself".

I really want them to understand that they MUST have wisdom along with their knowledge. If this movement wants to grow to the point of making a diference, They MUST not tick people off. They MUST work with the media where ever possible and when a challenge is needed to do it with respect.

[Mini-Me]

Well as I said this is my biggest issue. I am in a "safe" state (AL) so by the time the vote happens I may change my mind but for the time being we will see.

I have to say you discuss thing an a higher level than most here.. Where have you been :)

I am also trying to get people here to understand that the more they tell people "where to go" and "what they can do with themself".

I really want them to understand that they MUST have wisdom along with their knowledge. If this movement wants to grow to the point of making a diference, They MUST not tick people off. They MUST work with the media where ever possible and when a challenge is needed to do it with respect.

Thanks :) I try my best not to be a jerk, at least most of the time. I agree that too many people post out of anger...I definitely understand their frustration, and I can even understand if they feel betrayed, but they need to decide what they're really trying to accomplish with their posts (and then they should ask themselves if "burning their bridges and pissing on the ashes for good measure" is what they really want). Insults and flames just don't really work well in the persuasion department, and when you actually have the time to organize your thoughts and put them into writing, it should be much easier to avoid emotional outbursts than in real life.

As you said, it's unwise for people to declare war on allies or even potential allies who they don't see eye-to-eye with on every issue. We'll never broaden our support base if that's our attitude. I strongly disagree with your inclination to vote McCain and I hope you change your mind, but I'd much rather have a McCain voter working with us in the future than a McCain voter working against us in the future. I know you already said that you understand where people are coming from and you're not going to join the anti-Paul brigade out of spite, but it's the principle of the matter that counts. Unless you're actually disrupting the forum by trolling (which I haven't seen - yet ;)), there's no sense in branding you as an outcast.

[alaric]

And your using the same logic tat if a 3rd party gets a large percentage of the vot theywill have a big say in the future...

Hmmmmm can you say Ross Perot?

He got around 20%

at the time he ran, a vote for Perot was the best vote available!

[EndTheFed]

at the time he ran, a vote for Perot was the best vote available!

Yes... I was one of them

[nbruno322]

Chuck Norris is a closet patriot lol..

[EndTheFed]

Chuck Norris is a closet patriot lol..

"MMM Chuck Norris Come Out Of The Closet" :D

Thanks to South Park

[JosephTheLibertarian]

endthefed, atleast youre not voting for that homophobic protectionist, chucky baldwin, that guy is a joke.

[alaric]

Yes... I was one of them

good for you! I have to admit, at the time I was in the lesser of 2 evils crowd and voted for poppy. BIG MISTAKE!

[alaric]

endthefed, atleast youre not voting for that homophobic protectionist, chucky baldwin, that guy is a joke.

NO! Anyone supporting RP all the way is no joke. Now Ron is supporting him, so I am supporting Baldwin.

[JosephTheLibertarian]

NO! Anyone supporting RP all the way is no joke. Now Ron is supporting him, so I am supporting Baldwin.

why, because you don't have a brain of your own?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2hAg_k69a4M

this one goes out to you, alaric ;)